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First[edit source]

I'm first. 222 talk 11:31, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

Degen[edit source]

He died. [1] Korasi's sword.png Archmage Elune  TalkHS Void knight deflector.png fetus is my son and I love him. 10:25, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Events Team[edit source]

Sounds great. Though I think a 10-minute walk from Falador to Trollheim might be a bit of a stretch lol.. Are we anticipating people who don't have the magic level/quest to teleport to Trollheim? O_o sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 03:03, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Lol well... Maybe you could meet at the Rogue's Den with a Games necklace? That's a bit closer.. *shrugs*. Are you going to be making equipment suggestions/inventories? sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 04:01, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
Okay heh. Just remember, other people's memories are not your responsibility. (: sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 04:53, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
Eh, it would save you some trouble, trust me on that lol. I've been doing this for like 3 years, no one is reliable. Someone's going to be begging for Falador teleports lol :P sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 05:06, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Erm.. *looks around* I don't think so. Maybe a telegroup to Moonclan, take the boat to Rellekka.. then walk through the caverns? You probably have to do a Lunar quest for that though. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 05:19, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Spins and loops? <.< And sure, as long as it's not at a weird Aussie time that ends up being 3am for me. ;P sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 05:43, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
could i make a complaint about the event last night?Ipwnu-2011

Grimsson[edit source]

The result of monster examine [2], didn't say why you needed it so I'll leave it here Lol Korasi's sword.png Archmage Elune  TalkHS Void knight deflector.png fetus is my son and I love him. 11:12, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Zammy GWD[edit source]

*Real facepalms Real Nub 15:44, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Awesome, I think this is a great start. Let's start organising.   Swizz Talk   Events!   16:11, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Wikian graves[edit source]

Awesome subpage. =) melonWatermelon slice.png 23:15, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Wikian graves[edit source]

Awesome subpage. =) melonWatermelon slice.png 23:20, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Castle Wars[edit source]

Hey bro. I think we should stick to one CC and make people use the Guthix portal to randomly pick people so it's fair. When I've done/been to events like this people often rage because they don't get to be with their friends so this would be for the best. Should we have this in Wiki Events to be official or R S Wikia to draw in the crowds?   Swizz Talk   Events!   10:17, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

I was talking to Gaz last night, and he suggested we go Rev Hunting for the F2P event, as they will soon be removed from the wilderness, making this a sort of last-chance kind of event (run on sentence ftw). I like this idea, so my response was something like "I LOVE GAZ LLOYD!!!" Does that sound good to you? Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 12:52, January 9, 2011 (UTC)
Okay let's start on the Castle Wars, and Steler could you organise the rev hunt?   Swizz Talk   Events!   17:14, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

I'll be thinking about the logistics of the rev hunt, which I assumed would take place some time after the proposed castle wars event. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 23:08, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

"Volunteer Moderators"? Like RS Outreach or something? sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 20:37, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

The introduction said that before someone changed it. <.< sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 06:06, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
LoL probably (; and yep I guess. ^-^ sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 06:31, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Logic ftw[edit source]

Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 14:06, January 15, 2011 (UTC)

Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 14:13, January 15, 2011 (UTC)

Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 14:25, January 15, 2011 (UTC)

Getting myself an editor review under your name[edit source]

By under your name, i mean User:pharos5/editor review/Cartermac4 or what ever it is. Thanks.Defence-icon.png99 i fail Attack-icon.png 01:26, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

Come on RS[edit source]

Try and be on around 5pm today for my cooking party. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 05:25, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

The caek is a lie[edit source]

And don't you ever forget it. Matt (t) 04:26, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

"Silly noob"[edit source]

omg u violte utp i ban u nao k? Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 17:19, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

RE:GOP Event[edit source]

No, I can't do that, because I can almost guarantee I will not have a computer available at that time of day. You will have to ensure the next unplanned event is at a convenient time for Aussies. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 02:42, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Also, 11 PM for Aussies? Isn't that even worse...? Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 02:43, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
How about you move the supposed event (not the GOP event) forward a few hours instead? That would provide the most optimal time for Aussies, while screwing Europe over completely. GF, Europe. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 02:49, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Work Assignment[edit source]

Here you go:

Wut.[edit source]

You edit warred with yourself? Real Nub 13:37, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

He is internally conflicted. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 13:39, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
-.- this is nuthin' I've had up to 4 self-reverts in a row before.

While I have your attention Fergie, could you go ask the people in your clan that attended to leave any comments they have on the tt talk page? The more they comment the better we can make our next tt/scavenger. I tried to get Andorin to do it but he was impervious to my blackmail and torture. I couldn't really "ask nicely" after that so I thought I should ask you nicely ^_^ - [Pharos] iPhone Edit

Yeah yeah. And I'll stab Andorin, that should make him do it. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 13:59, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
How's that? (just read the last line) (:< sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 14:05, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
Perfect, thanks :D
Well, except for "Be nice, it might have sucked but it was their first event." Ouch T.T - [Pharos] iPhone Edit 14:15, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
Need I point to what you said about it in IRC last night? :P sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 14:19, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
It was 7am, I had 4hrs of sleep and it looked like someone had a map of every one of our locations. Gimme a break >_> But yeah, fine :P it didn't turn out TOO badly in the end though. - [Pharos] iPhone Edit 14:33, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
^-^ sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 14:39, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
From yesterday I've learnt that I REALLY need to stop getting so annoyed and cut back on the excessive swearing >_> - From now on I'll drop 100k into the swear jar each time ^_^ - [Pharos] iPhone Edit 14:56, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

May I please own that jar? (:0 sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 14:57, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

I think it should probably go towards the next reward :3 Anyway, need my sleep, G'night :) - [Pharos] iPhone Edit 15:02, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
Ninite! (: sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 15:04, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

I knew it[edit source]

I knew he was a rogue vandal sysops all along! Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 05:16, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

You shall not live it down. =D Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 05:25, February 7, 2011 (UTC)
The cabal knows. o.o svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 05:30, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

My grave[edit source]

[3]My grave if you want. =D (Found by Yingpingu) Twigy (Talk) 1HLTxg4.png 08:14, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Event[edit source]

Sure, get working on it.   Swizz Talk   Events!   16:53, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for interfering, but don't you think the clues should be giving less time? Like no clue for 5 mins, clue #1 after 5 more mins (10 mins total), clue #2 5 more mins (15 mins total) and then either clue #3 5 more mins (20 mins total), or giveaway locations and see who gets there first! But that's just a suggestion! My 1337 b0w1337rng3r|Talk Har har, my wikia bird, T-Hawk! 17:47, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

I'm worried about doing an F2P event that is primarily player-made, as it is extremely difficult to get everyone attending the event to listen. I try and see if there is a way to make it work on a large scale and get back to you. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 19:29, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Lol Your welcome, and thanks to you too! My 1337 b0w1337rng3r|Talk Har har, my wikia bird, T-Hawk! 14:29, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry...[edit source]

About that. My 1337 b0w1337rng3r|Talk Har har, my wikia bird, T-Hawk! 13:08, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Lol Thanks bro Lol My 1337 b0w1337rng3r|Talk Har har, my wikia bird, T-Hawk! 14:27, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

re:GOP[edit source]

Bout the message u left on Steler's talk: Basically, there were 8 people who were in the cc, then only 5 of them joined a game, and after that the event was over. There was basically no1 there. I suggest you don't organise events that have this high requiremenst(50rc for f2p is like 80rc for p2p) but stay at the other events with lower reqs. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 13:30, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Idea for event[edit source]

This is just a germ of an idea right now, but.... I was thinking a Chaos Tunnels event might be interesting.

  1. Start at the statue NE of Varrock. Participants would need to have at least started Chaos Tunnels: The Hunt for Surok miniquest, which has modest requirements, and done up to the point where they would have followed Surok into the tunnels.
    • 35 Runecrafting
    • 42 Mining
    • Complete What Lies Below
    • If some players want to join by entering the tunnels from the Wilderness (like if they don't meet the quest requirement), they could, but they do that on their own.
  2. Participants would follow Surok's path through the tunnels.
    • Players who have started the miniquest, but haven't yet fought Bork, would basically have an escort to him. Make it clear that everyone fights their own Bork. That part is an individual activity.
    • For players who haven't fought Bork and still don't want to fight him yet, there are plenty of other monsters to kill, making it safer for those who do want to get to Bork. Players don't have to fight Bork if they would rather not.
      The high combat recommendation for the miniquest is mostly for fighting Bork. The rest of the recommendation is about just surviving until players can get to him.
    • Players who have fought Bork before, but would like to fight him again (perhaps for a Fur 'n' Seek/Wish list bone or elite clue scroll), would also get an escort to him, rather than running with tons of gear and food, etc., through the now PvP Wilderness to one of the closer entry points.
    • Players who just want to wale on Dagannoth rangers, bronze dragons, or whatever else along the way, would have company.
    • Players with a slayer assignment for something that was one chamber off the path would have a possibly safer place for retreat, if necessary.
  3. Organizers could leads groups back and forth periodically. Make allowances for people doing the miniquest, because they get a cutscene every other portal.
    • For people who mis-teleport, everyone should bring Varrock teleports or teletabs and head back to the statue. Take into account that organizers could mis-teleport, too.
    • For people who show up later.
    • For people who die. This is a dangerous activity, but graves would be blessed. People who die fighting Bork get a gravestone in the Dagannoth chamber.
  4. Alternatively, maybe there could be one organizer in every chamber along the path giving directions to the next portal, but that's a lot of organizers.

Of course, I have no idea if people would show up at all. Even if it's popular, it strikes me as the kind of thing to do no more than 2 or 3 times a year (unless you run out of other ideas).
--Saftzie (talk) 13:07, February 19, 2011 (UTC)
P.S., I think the GOP event had trouble because it didn't offer anything players couldn't get on their own by going to a GOP world for a pick-up game.

If the ET does quest help events in general, it should probably be once per month to cycle through the list at a decent pace. As such, putting The Hunt for Surok on the list seems okay. It doesn't have to be all about Bork, though. Once I got his femur bone, the only reason I ever went back was for the new elite task. If a bunch of people show up, there are plenty of chambers to handle them all and basically blaze a monster-free trail from one end to the other, which could be an end in itself. If only a few show up, then it would be all about escorted groups. But I was also thinking of it as an introduction to the tunnels for lower levels. Higher levels helping lower levels would help build more of an actual community. For example, I participate in Team Penguin events every week. Spotting all the penguins is over pretty quickly. The sustained effort is trapping penguins all week long. There's nothing in it for the trappers other than knowing they're helping fellow players. I think that's how you mean The Fremmenik Isles, as probably an ice troll killing party for higher levels so people running to the caves have fewer trolls after them.
I'm not certain how a group would help What Lies Below, though.
I'm also uncertain how viable Shield of Arrav and Heroes' Quest are as group events, unless you mean navigating the ice caves, though the utility would be limited to the queen's respawn time. As for getting the crossbows and candlesticks, one person on each gang would be all the help needed, but it might also be limited by the crossbow, key, and candlestick respawn times. The ET could solicit input from interested people about what they think are good quests to include, then weed through them for the best candidates that would support group events. Be sure to try to get interest from both the helpers and the helped. "For what quests are people interested in helping others?" and "With what quests do people want help?" --Saftzie (talk) 18:26, February 19, 2011 (UTC)
I've just skimmed all of what you said to get the general idea, and I feel I should say this: I have been to many quest help events, some run by myself, some run by Jagex. They generally fail, for a number of reasons. No one shows up, those who do are lost and just want a walkthrough, some scream and shout if they're not helped in time, others have no idea what is going on, many people are at various stages in the quest, those of us who finished the quest can't really walk them through it due to cutscenes and such. My 2 cents. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 18:28, February 19, 2011 (UTC)
I think just setting up sort of a dating service for Black Arm and Phoenix gang members wouldn't be viable as any kind of event. I teamed up with a player I met in one of the forum threads devoted to finding a partner for those quests. It only took a couple minutes, and I don't think the wiki could do any better. As for Urbancowgurl777's point above, I think group quest-related events need to be about more than the quest. An ice troll killing party could be an end in itself, but also helps people with the quest. (If we did it on world 60 when there was a Jatizso penguin, it would help with that, too.) I look on a Chaos Tunnels event the same way. People can come kill monsters for the sake of killing monsters, but the Hunt for Surok provides a little direction about which monsters. The challenge would probably be rewards. GWD is good because there are some higher value drops, and it's a team activity, anyway. What would get people excited about killing ice trolls or tunnel monsters? The revenant hunt had a good turn-out. There just weren't too many (any) revenants to kill. In general, would any people be interested in a "hang out and just kill a bunch of monsters" kind of event? I don't know that they would, but I don't know that they wouldn't. --Saftzie (talk) 15:30, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

iPhone editing help :P[edit source]

You know Pharos, there are some nice and handy little threads on the RSOF that people use to find Black Arm/Phoenix gang members. However people are so incompetent that they can't even do that effectively. I like the idea of those PvM quest activities, like the Hunt for Surok. However doing a full-on quest walkthrough... Count me out. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 15:34, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Fine, i take your point about the gangs. But I never once said we were doing whole quest walkthroughs. It's just that a lot of quests have certain parts that would be made easier in a group. The ice trolls on the fremmy isles being one.
Look, feel free to start the Hunt for Surok or Ice troll killing event and ofcourse I'll help but Im a real cynic at heart and believe that people, especially the complete strangers we get due to being a wiki, need more incentive to help out strangers with a quest than that. If an easier CT or a easier troll killing is enough? I'm not sure - [Pharos] iPhone Edit 20:12, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

RE:PC[edit source]

I stayed for about an hour and it went well. Idk what you mean by sabotaged.. Perhaps because someone decided to take the event into their own hands and went "Herp derp every1 in da vet lander [email protected]#"? They all came back when I mentioned that that person was not on the Events Team and had no right to make up the rules though. ;3= I think it went great, we had a good turnout. (: sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 14:52, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

Well, technically, there were one or two people who tried to get everyone into the other lander, so perhaps that's how they were "stolen". But oh well, they all shut up when I yelled and I doubt they'll try and pull a stunt like that again. (: Thanks, I had fun making the banner. Just got bored and went to GWD to take some pictures. <.< sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 20:51, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

RE:Banner[edit source]

Thanks, had fun making them (:

Those pics are perfect, it'll take me a while to make it though cause I'll probably crop the little people out and put them behind trees and such. (: I'll get started on it later today, still watching tv on my computer <.< sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 19:01, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

tips[edit source]

Some of that opposition would be okay with it where it is in the bottom corner I think. Funny how none of it happened in the other thread going on at the same time. Wikians are weird.--Degenret01 08:59, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Lol[edit source]

Matt (t) 05:58, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

RE: RSMV[edit source]

I probably won't make a thread any moment immediately soon, but I would be quite willing to make one if you think it would fare better if I'm the one making it. If you do, however, make a thread yourself, I would most definitely give feedback/endorsements/whatnot relatively soon after. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!I have 12 friends. 06:11, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

RE:Banner? ^_^[edit source]

1. AWMG I [email protected]#$ Makes my talk page look nekkid though. ):

2. Sure. And no one in particular complained, just several different people over the past week or so. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 23:51, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

Eye-poking[edit source]

There are some last-minute questions about HnS on the talk page. I'm faking it for now, but on one point you and Swizz seem to disagree. That could be bad. --Saftzie (talk) 22:02, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Links[edit source]

Look at the front page. At some point one more link become the straw that breaks the camels back. I think the best option is for the ET notice to contain one single link to the ET page where people can then find the link they need for the specific item they are after. I do not even pretend to understand how it works, but the pros say it matters.--Degenret01 04:25, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

If Sentra blocks you I have the unblock button, no problem. Tell him to bring it Lol.--Degenret01 04:25, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

RE:[edit source]

Thanks for the tips. But try not to contradict yourself, suggesting not to do something and then saying things need to be tried out. 222 talk 04:59, March 10, 2011 (UTC)


Corp[edit source]

Hey bro, we're likely to need you to host tomorrow? All kays?   Swizz Talk   Events!   18:18, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

amg[edit source]

[01:08] <Pharos_5> RAEG at jagex...
[01:08] == Pharos_5 [[email protected]/Pharos-5] has quit [Quit: Pi is a lie.]

JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 00:09, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

hi[edit source]

u ther --Iiii I I I 02:05, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

RE:Sediment UOTM[edit source]

Paul > Andrew. FACT.* Henneyj 13:10, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

*Saying FACT after something makes it true. FACT.

pics[edit source]

Template:Random_skill1 Template:Random_skill2  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Degenret01 (talk).

done[edit source]

And I think that is done. Favicon changed, main page switched, cabbage protected. Good?--Degenret01 00:08, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Signature change[edit source]

Oh I'm glad. Smile I saw that I had new messages and thought that I was in trouble. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 11:00, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Events Team[edit source]

I don't think I'd be involved enough to justify being on the team, especially since I'm sure others are itching to join. And I can still keep an eye on the pages without being on the team :) Henneyj 14:19, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Rollback[edit source]

YAY! YOU HAVE ROLLBACK! =D

Are you gonna keep the cvn tab open when it's later on the day for you? plz? That would prevent those edits slip through that would slip through at those times. Anyway, YAY! ^_^ Woot JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 23:24, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

...He just had his rollback right removed, Joey. Not the other way around. Suppa chuppa Talk 23:25, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
Wai did it has to happn when i were sleepy? D=
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RE:RSMVs[edit source]

I liked both, they were pretty good. (: The second one was great (but a little strange lol), first one was pretty simple. I've not started, too much to do, and when I do find online time, I spent it either on wiki, at events, or in the clan. I haven't heard anything about Chia's video yet... Need to do something to get it off the ground. (: sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 21:53, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

RE:Brainstorming[edit source]

My computer turned off, sorry. Then I got mad and went to bed lol. Interesting idea but that page sure would get edited a lot with people logging all the time... (ipone edit) sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 08:37, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Hai der[edit source]

I'm just bored so I'm spamming peoples talk pages

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F2P TT[edit source]

I noticed the mod list for the Tuesday/Wednesday event is pretty sparse currently. Do you need mods to hand out clues? --Saftzie (talk) 02:58, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

I'm volunteering. I can guarantee I'll be there. --Saftzie (talk) 06:37, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
Give me 5 or 10 min for IRC. --Saftzie (talk) 06:53, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
A little feedback off the project page, since I was a mod this time.
  1. Sorry for announcing the 2nd clue in-chat. I thought that that was an intended change from the first time to counter the fact that the first person to the first checkpoint got a lead to all the others with only an ever-widening margin. We don't want to facilitate jumping the checkpoints, though.
  2. But what about that ever-widening advantage? Maybe when the first person makes it to checkpoint N, then clue N-2 could be announced publicly. It gives people at least some hope of catching up. On the downside, it might give an unfair disadvantage to people already at checkpoint N-3, which might be quite far from checkpoint N-2. Some people also really wanted to do the whole thing as a matter of personal pride, not to be given charity assistance.
Also, I have no idea how much running around you did right at the start, but it certainly seemed like it sucked to be you for a while. Condolences. --Saftzie (talk) 04:02, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
It's not a personal attack. I just remember the point was raised last time, but I don't recall it being resolved. (I wasn't there, in any case.) I certainly appreciate the effort you put into organizing the event, including finding last-minute mods. I'm not trying to downplay that at all. I did get the impression that people were generally pleased. --Saftzie (talk) 05:54, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

You won![edit source]

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Matt (t) 23:02, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Et stuff[edit source]

No problem, though there wasn't any talk to archive. --Saftzie (talk) 06:35, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

RE: DW[edit source]

Absolutely! I've been writing down all the little things I've noticed that may be addressed later down the road. Also, THE CHILD WAS A TIME LORD? WHAT?! NIPPON ICHI 22:21, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

Hai Faros 5[edit source]

phphphphphuuuuuu.jpg PHPHPHPHPHUUUUUUU I SAID IT WRONG, sorry Pharos 5

Re: /My Gold[edit source]

Your welcome to copy any of my user space templates, etc. Smile Amaurice talk 11:21, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

*poke*[edit source]

What the hell is druss anyways? --LiquidTalk 13:42, May 17, 2011 (UTC)