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Re:Comma[edit source]

The page was edited in a way to prevent edit warring. Achievements Coelacanth0794 Talk Contribs 15:39, August 19, 2018 (UTC)

The mere fact that edit warring was even a possibility is ridiculous in this case. RuneMetrics Paul Z Talk bite me HS Contributions 15:41, August 19, 2018 (UTC)

Currencies rework[edit source]

Please bear with me everyone. I know there's a lot of clean-up to be done, and I know exactly what needs to be cleaned up. I will it get done, but it may take me a few days or weeks; gradual process. RuneMetrics Paul Z Talk bite me HS Contributions 22:07, August 22, 2018 (UTC)

Please put all subgroups in the subnavbox next time like here. Thank you. :) Farming-icon.png Salix (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 22:17, August 23, 2018 (UTC)
Oh gotcha, woops. RuneMetrics Paul Z Talk bite me HS Contributions 22:31, August 23, 2018 (UTC)

Moving pages[edit source]

If ye wish to change a page name, please move the page rather than copypasting the article. If there's a redirect, ask an admin to move the page instead. By moving the page, we preserve the page history and also move the associated talk pages What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 01:05, August 24, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. I was just overwhelmed by the number of pages to be moved, and I thought the best temporary fix for some of the problems was to just copy/paste. This is part of the lengthy cleaning up process I mentioned above. For example, with changing Slayer reward point to Slayer points, I thought the best thing to do was to copy/paste because I couldn't move it due to the latter already existing as a redirect page... And I didn't know admins could make that move. Live and learn. RuneMetrics Paul Z Talk bite me HS Contributions 15:29, August 24, 2018 (UTC)

Re:Celestial Dragons[edit source]

How would people be confused regarding the celestial dragon resource dungeon and the Elite Dungeon? Achievements Coelacanth0794 Talk Contribs 20:45, August 24, 2018 (UTC)

The two are *radically* different. One is a quest reward being a room full of Slayer monsters and the other is what's effectively a 3-boss raid with a menagerie of different monsters. Dragontooth has no laboratory equipment or hints of such. If you forget the name of the new dungeon, "ED2" is a popular redirect already in use due to being the second elite dungeon. Achievements Coelacanth0794 Talk Contribs 20:51, August 24, 2018 (UTC)
Or they could just look on the article for Celestial dragons? The first thing you should see is an OtherUses for the ED2 variant, and then it has locations and mechanics. Achievements Coelacanth0794 Talk Contribs 20:59, August 24, 2018 (UTC)
It sounds to me like you need to word your searches better instead of adding redirect links that will just confuse people. Seriously, go to the monster page instead of slayer dungeon articles. Achievements Coelacanth0794 Talk Contribs 21:08, August 24, 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I'm arguing about the way you think, because you're trying to use it to justify bad edits. Try searching a different thing to get back on track ASAP. Achievements Coelacanth0794 Talk Contribs 21:22, August 24, 2018 (UTC)
All this would do is confuse people by adding dungeons that aren't linked except for a monster that shares the same graphics. Honestly, just use "ED2" to navigate instead of redirecting to dungeons without similar names. "Celestial" isn't even in the name of the elite dungeon. It's not the main target of the content, either. Achievements Coelacanth0794 Talk Contribs 21:29, August 24, 2018 (UTC)
Then I'm afraid this will need to end here and now. Pages will be protected from editing. Achievements Coelacanth0794 Talk Contribs 21:40, August 24, 2018 (UTC)
Gonna wade into this one -- if the issue is that Celestial dragon dungeon is ambiguous and people get confused when they end up on the Dragontooth Island resource dungeon page...why don't we just turn the first page into a disambig? Doesn't that solve the problem? ʞooɔ 22:06, August 24, 2018 (UTC)
Never thought of that, thanks! RuneMetrics Paul Z Talk bite me HS Contributions 22:10, August 24, 2018 (UTC)

Wikia forking thread[edit source]

Hey Paul! I wanted to give you a heads up that there's a thread (Forum:Leaving Wikia) up for discussion right now about moving this wiki (and OSRS wiki) away from Wikia, to a self-hosted, Jagex-supported site. We'd love your input on the proposal (and the new wikis). Thanks! ʞooɔ 21:03, September 26, 2018 (UTC)

Shops[edit source]

Hey Paul, just wondering why you are splitting stock from shop pages? jayden 13:47, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Hey I'm just following a precedent that was in place for certain shops relating to currencies (e.g. Wizard Finix's Runecrafting Shop, etc.). If that's a faulty precedent, sorry, I'll put the stock directly on the shop page. I think it's good though, because it allows for easy transclusion on the currency pages. Paul Z (talk) 13:50, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Ah I see - yeah that reasoning makes sense, just wondered if there was more to it than first met the eye. Haven't got an issue with splitting it, but I'm thinking that it'll probably cause invocations of {{Store locations list}} to show wrong/weird results. It's what we use on item pages to show which shops they can be obtained from. A lot of the pages you're moving don't actually use shop tables ({{ShopLine}} etc) so presumably none of the items use the aforementioned template, but for the ones that do it could end up behaving weird. Not sure of the best approach for that jayden 14:02, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Re: Image sizes[edit source]

Haha no worries. Things like that used to happen to me a lot too, it's always annoying. ɳex undique 20:55, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

RE:the Elite[edit source]

You're correct, but it just looked odd. Farming-icon.png Salix (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 19:44, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Maybe different formatting such as using the title's template, in order to make the "the" that's part of the title look different from the "the" in the sentence. Paul Z (talk) 20:04, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Small Herblore lamp[edit source]

Hey, I think that Small Herblore lamp and Small Herblore lamp (Herby Werby) are the same item. According to the Ge database there is only one item with that name. Don't know if they changed the lamp to a members item though. Luck of the Dwarves.png XoRMiAS Completionist cape detail.png 17:40, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Re:120 emotes[edit source]

As in you've already recorded them? If that's the case you could upload it and there shouldn't be much of an issue. The conventional standards apply; AA, textures on, decent lighting, no other cosmetics. If you don't know how or can't I'll put some time in later today to try and gif them. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, I thought someone had already done those by now. Achievements Coelacanth0794 Talk Contribs 17:24, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Re: Edits[edit source]

Yes. Bumble Tea (talk) 04:36, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Why are my edits being reverted?[edit source]

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Vote in the Weird Gloop elections![edit source]

Hi Paul Z!

Because of your involvement with the wiki, you are eligible to vote on the candidates for the board of Weird Gloop, the company that hosts the RuneScape and Old School RuneScape wikis.

See meta:Weird Gloop elections/2019/Candidates for candidate presentations, and meta:Weird Gloop elections for how to vote – it'll take maybe 5 minutes.

There are 4 candidates for RuneScape, 4 candidates for OSRS, and 1 candidate for pt-RuneScape. If you'd like to influence who represents the voices of these communities inside the company, I strongly encourage you to vote! You are one of only 204 people that meet the requirements, and this is a chance to help shape the future of the wikis.

Thanks! ʞooɔ 01:07, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

RE.: Technical question[edit source]

Hey, the zoom issue is with your screen resolution I believe, if you have windows, your screen resolution should be at 100%, some computers come with it defaulted to 125% or 150%. It's hard to tell if the settings are fine since everything gets blurry when zoomed in, however, make sure you have the Antialiasing turned on (MSAA + FXAA is possible) and the skybox to midday (in most cases). I tend to make everything ultra + adjust that (it's not automatic). Meeeeerds msg 21:15, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

RE:Relight my (F)fire[edit source]

Please see Forum:Scenery page names and the preceding Forum:Disambiguating (pages with identical names). Although mediawiki handles it perfectly due to the pagenames being unique, this just makes it messy/confusing for editors and readers, as people might not know there's such a minute difference. So hence per RuneScape:Style guide/Disambiguation, we add disambiguating words in parenthesis to avoid confusion even if the pagename would be unique with a different capitalisation. Farming-icon.png Salix (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 15:12, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

PoP resources[edit source]

Was this edit summary meant as the reason for the change, or were you wondering which is the correct explanation? In case it was the latter, each resource can go up to 999,999 separately (aside as mentioned for Chimes, which cap at 200,000). 17:42, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Unreleased release date[edit source]

Hey Paul, release dates should not be added to the infobox until it actually has been released. So that's why I reverted your change to Archie. However you can mention in the body of the article that it's been announced to be released. Farming-icon.png Salix (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 18:36, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Patch Notes 2 March 2020[edit source]

Hey there Paul Z. I'm just double checking with you if you've fully done the 2 March 2020 Patch Notes (Update history project). If so, could you please mark it off on the Update History page? If it's not done yet, where did you leave off? I'll gladly finish it in that case. Thanks in advance! Kharidian cat.png Goos09 Talk Cat inv old.png 13:30, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Oh alright. No worries. I'll double check now or tomorrow and add the missing ones, thanks for your reply. Kharidian cat.png Goos09 Talk Cat inv old.png 16:48, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Ashdale Caves (achievement)[edit source]

Jagex unhid the hidden tutorial paths for "experienced" players today and I cannot find the path achievement you made: Ashdale Caves. Can you see which Path it is part of? Is it still a recently completed achievement that you could click? Farming-icon.png Salix (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 18:42, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

I believe you that it exists as it's also in the cache. Unfortunately, the cache doesn't show of which path or category the achievement is a part of. I just went there with my main and I did not get the notification for the achievement. However I also tried it on an alt that I mainly use for testing wiki stuff like this and that account did get the notification for that achievement. I also tried clicking on it in the recently completed achievements and I got the same as you did that it goes to Skills hiding the other categories as well as hiding the subcategories of Skills. Idk if you send a bug report, but just have send one. Farming-icon.png Salix (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 20:44, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
I noticed that one wasn't unlocked for me either. Hadn't tried to complete it yet. Farming-icon.png Salix (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 20:50, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Kalphite Queen head[edit source]

I've fixed the capitalisation on the mounted image - do you know if capitalisation also needs to be corrected on the Kalphite queen head (stuffed) and Kalphite queen head pages? Magic logs detail.pngIsobelTalk page 22:09, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

RE:Zodi-yak Track[edit source]

Yeah, I just noticed. >.< Reverting my stuff. Farming-icon.png Salix (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 13:37, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Let's keep this one. :P Farming-icon.png Salix (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 13:39, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Re:Transcripts[edit source]

Hi. Consecutive dialogue spoken by the same character is usually combined, according to RuneScape:Style guide/Transcripts#Separating dialogue. This is also the way I usually find it written on the wiki - Habblet (talk) 16:21, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I remember it being combined since some thread that I cannot remember. :Wowee: Farming-icon.png Salix (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 16:47, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Level 90 Archaeology requirement for Tirannwn achievements?[edit source]

I just saw this edit. Which Tirannwn achievement requires level 90 Archaeology? Farming-icon.png Salix (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 06:10, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Nevermind, I'm assuming you can't complete Weave Come a Long Way without 90 Archaeology? Farming-icon.png Salix (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 06:12, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Template:While Guthix Sleeps[edit source]

Regarding this edit. The category and template category are already added by Template:Quest navbox. Each (mini)quest navbox uses that template instead of the regular Template:Navbox. Farming-icon.png Salix (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 16:06, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Oh ok. RuneMetrics Paul Z Talk bite me HS Contributions 16:09, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

RE:Disagree[edit source]

What is the reasoning for it being a Twilight Princess reference? Ciphrius Kane (talk) 16:13, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Name. I'm not getting into this with your argument-bait. RuneMetrics Paul Z Talk bite me HS Contributions 20:09, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Re:Archaeology calculators[edit source]

I've added xp and per xp to all 3 calculators. For digging up the artifacts there's no real meaningful way to include that, the amount of xp gained trying to dig up a given artifact can vary greatly. There is however an excavation calculator in the works that would essentially cover this. For the tetracompass I am completely against including a quarter of the xp, because it also requires further materials etc. We could potentially create another calc table that's just for tetracompass that compares the collections that give pieces and total xp, price etc assuming it's done enough times for 1 complete compass. Seers headband 2 chathead.png Elessar2 (talk) 10:07, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Wikian title (re-)nomination[edit source]

Hey, I was wondering if you would like to be re-nominated for the Wikian title?

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Sure, thank you! Sorry for the late response I had a ton of work to get done IRL haha RuneMetrics Paul Z Talk bite me HS Contributions 18:14, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikian title granted[edit source]

Hi Paul Z, your request for the Wikian title was successful. Please contact Gaz Lloyd on his talk page, in the wiki Discord channel, or in-game (RSN: Gaz_Lloyd) so that he may give you the title.

There was no RSN listed on the nomination, but your userpage says "POH Altar", so I've put that here.

Sincerely, Talk to Kelsey 18:05, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Do you want a free wiki t-shirt?[edit source]

Hi Paul Z!

To celebrate the two-year anniversary of the new site, we're giving away RuneScape Wiki t-shirts to a bunch of wiki editors. Because of your contributions to the community over the last year, we'd like to send you one! If you're interested, go fill out this form, and we'll get those shipped out before the end of the month.

If you have any questions, shoot me a talk page message or a DM on Discord (Cook#2222). Thanks!

ʞooɔ 22:35, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

RE: Update dates[edit source]

Hey, the dates param is harmless being populated and no real reason why it shouldn't be. The main reason I populated it is for ease of adding future updates - if there is no date the editor has to check each update and see what date it was and then come back to the page to add a new update. Having the dates populated removes this extra step and just makes adding update history a little easier. Hope that answers your question. Lava hawk.png BlackHawk (Talk)    06:22, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

RE:Dyeable items template[edit source]

Thank you for flagging this. The augmented dyed variants as well as the augmented undyed variant did not have the Augmented items category yet which is required for the Dyeable items template to work properly. As for the inconsistent casing, in this specific case making redirects suffices. I believe the inconsistent capitalisation of Third Age dyed items had something to do with the difference between unaugmented items themselves and not with the difference between augmented and unaugmented items. This was 3 years ago though, so I don't remember exactly. Anyhow, it's correctly listed on the dyes pages now. :) Farming-icon.png Salix (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 07:34, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Restored and damaged artefacts[edit source]

RE: this, the current consensus is to have separate pages for the restored artefacts and the damaged artefacts. I've been splitting them after Forum:Archaeological separation was closed. I've only got Zarosian left. Farming-icon.png Salix (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 08:01, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Block[edit source]

I am blocking you because of your inability to communicate with editors without being disrespectful, abrasive, or extremely rude. Given your previous history of behaviour, acknowledgement of being asked to stop but refusal to stop, and your Discord message to me (which I am not posting right now - you are free to if you wish), you are unwilling and/or unable to change. As such, I am setting your block length to be indefinite. You may appeal here if you wish. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 09:03, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Information Paul Z has appealed their block. Administrators, please see the reason for the appeal and make a decision. Note that blocks issued by community consensus must be removed by consensus as well and that the blocked user reserves the right to have comments copied onto any discussion relevant to the block. - Request denied.

Oh for goodness sake. I'm extremely self-aware. Robert continuing to ignore my messages in the channel while actively chatting with others demonstrates a clear disregard for my concern. Not only this, from the get-go he gave me a sarcastic response, indicating his lack of seriousness. I wouldn't have pushed for the response if he had shown some actual diligence initially. Something as simple as "Hey Paul! I'll look into this and get back to you shortly". Or better yet, he could have mustered the brainpower to think for 30 seconds and answer the question on the spot, like others eventually kindly did in his place, after the situation had already escalated.
"This is not a workplace." That's abundantly clear, because when I pose a simple question in a perfectly normal, calm, and polite way, people like Robert treat me like I have 3 heads, and that kind of behaviour goes unchecked. Then, I'm made out to be the bad guy when I get frustrated at this lack of normal human interaction. Of course I would never escalate it in the way that I did here, if it were a workplace. But my point is that I would never have received a sarcastic, standoffish, antagonistic, attitude-ridden response to my question in the first place.
The problem with the Discord channels and the wiki, is that it's essentially just a public stage. There is absolutely no sense of discretion. I tried asking you my "mundane" question via PM first. You then suggested I post it in the channel. Fine. The problem is that everyone treats it like it's a classroom or other school setting, where they get to watch everything unfold when it doesn't concern them, and gratuitously butt-in when they feel like it (and antagonize/fuel the fire with impunity). Even here, on my talk page, my block and appeal are essentially in full view of everyone. It's not a private process whatsoever. This is basically a kangaroo court; might as well walk me through the streets like Cersei.
Blocking me solves nothing. If anything, it harms the wiki, because I've done nothing but add quality contributions over the years, even as recently as yesterday. I've proven myself as a contributor, even earning the Wikian title. I should be unblocked on the basis that I have already proven myself to be a quality editor, and that my contributions are valuable to the wiki. Per RS:UBP: "Blocks should not normally be used against general incivility". "Blocking may not be used in the case where a block is unnecessary and a warning would suffice.". You seem to be judge, jury, and executioner as to whether or not a warning would suffice (I would consider a warning being something like "Stop or you will be blocked indefinitely"), holding prior blocks over my head as though they hold relevance in the present. If anything, bringing those up increases the likelihood of an unpleasant emotional reaction, worsening the outcome instead of de-escalating the situation. There should be some sort of period of time after which previous "offences" are no longer taken into consideration, just like in real life with demerit points on a driving record for example. I'd encourage you to explore the philosophy behind that kind of a system; I think it has merit. Further, this block is seemingly just because I tried to follow up with you via PM after the situation in the channel had simmered down, indicating that if I had not messaged you, you wouldn't have blocked me for the prior situation, which signals arbitrary application of the rules you espouse.
Also, since this is basically a public record, let it also be known that Robert and one of your admins (Christine - the one who randomly decided to mute me in the Discord for 5 minutes), called me "a complete ass". Hurling such blatant personal attacks/name-calling/insults is a line even I do not cross. Not only that; for years I hadn't joined the Discord, but when I finally joined, I searched up my name to see that several people had talked about me in an extremely rude and derogatory manner, and this behaviour went unchecked. If this is the kind of behaviour you're tolerating and even defending, while also ostracizing me for having civil disagreements with (and being cruelly antagonized/goaded by) the occasional editor/mob of editors once in a blue moon, there's something deeply wrong with the way you run things here.
If you really feel it's necessary to block me from something, block me from the Discord, but allow me to continue contributing to the wiki. Please, let's not let petty squabbles like this get in the way of the quality contributions I can continue to produce. RuneMetrics Paul Z Talk bite me HS Contributions 15:52, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Appeal denied - I do not believe that there is any reason for this block to be removed. I agree with Gaz's assessment of your behaviour: you clearly broke RS:UTP and RS:AGF in your interaction and your appeal does not show any remorse for having done so. The only person responsible for your poor behaviour is you: feeling that Robert's responses to you were not satisfactory or that other people behaved uncivilly towards you is not justification for you to descend into personal attacks. As was pointed out to you during the conversation, the Yew Grove is available for editors to raise issues with others' behaviour and resolve disagreements through consensus if they are unable to do so through informal discussion.
Your contributions as an editor do not excuse behaving in this way: everyone who contributes to the wiki is expected to treat others with respect and to attempt to resolve issues in a constructive way. I consider that having multiple people tell you that they saw your behaviour as uncivil should have been enough warning for you to desist in doing so but you did not: a warning was not sufficient here. I also disagree that your previous blocks are irrelevant: they show that your behaviour hasn't changed and that you meet the criteria in RS:UBP that "user accounts that have done more than five personal attacks may be blocked indefinitely".
While this latest block is based on your behaviour on Discord I do not think that removing your block on the wiki and leaving the Discord block only is appropriate given that your uncivil behaviour has also previously occurred onsite rather than being solely restricted to offsite chats. I have discussed this appeal with other admins who agreed that it should be denied; however if you would rather put this appeal to community consensus please let me know and I will create a thread to discuss unblocking you. Magic logs detail.pngIsobelTalk page 22:12, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
First of all, you're one of the least unbiased people who could possibly decide on my appeal, because you've blocked me yourself in the past. There's a reason real-life juries are carefully selected; it's to avoid bias. "Community consensus" would be even more of a kangaroo court. I've seen it happen on my first Wikian nomination; you voted against me and conjured up a reason (doesn't matter if it's valid or not, you merely articulated something), and no less than 4 others voted against me with nothing more than "Oppose - Per Isobel" as their comment, including the closer. This breaks numerous protocols laid out on the actual wikipedia. The closer must not have weighed in on the issue and should simply determine the outcome of the voting, whether they agree with it or not. Votes that do not include a reason or only say "per [other user]" are not counted; in other words, votes must be accompanied by substantive and original arguments. Further, you stated that you "have discussed this appeal with other admins who agreed that it should be denied". This breaks Wikipedia:Canvassing#Stealth canvassing. If there is a discussion to be had, it should all be documented here in plain sight, so that an external closer can consider all arguments presented and decide from there. I also want to point out that this is actually my fourth block, not my fifth. The fourth time was overturned the same day it was applied (despite your diligence in increasing its length) and thus does not count. If anything, this block should only be for 1 month, per the 4th block rule. My appeal should be reviewed by an unbiased administrator, i.e., someone who has never interacted with me before. If this fails, a community consensus should be reached. That being said, I have serious concerns regarding the supposed unbiased nature of the processes undertaken on here. Notably, per Wikipedia:Consensus#Pitfalls and errors (specifically on canvassing, "Any effort to gather participants to a community discussion that has the effect of biasing that discussion is unacceptable.". I have serious doubts about the sample size of the "community" to be asked to decide my fate. There is also no way to disentangle any of their potential personal vendettas against me from a well-reasoned argument (and again, the majority of voters have not actually conjured up any arguments, simply using the poll as if it were a ballot). To reiterate, Wikipedia:Polling is not a substitute for discussion, and I do not believe these guidelines will be followed/enforced if a community consensus were to take place.
"I do not believe that there is any reason for this block to be removed." Well, since you're talking in such unsubstantiated absolutes, I do not believe that there is any reason for this block to have been applied in the first place. I did not break UTP; I did not make any personal attacks; I did not make any ad hominems or attempt to abuse/denigrate anyone. My comment about the effort required to answer merely reflects a genuine concern regarding Robert's other commitments and their possible interference with the free time with which he could reply to my question. I did not break AGF. I never questioned the validity of Robert's edits; I was trying to understand the edits in order to reach consensus, which I could barely do before the exchange spiraled out of control. You seem to implicitly sanctify Robert's responses, as though there was nothing wrong with them. It cannot be denied that he laid on a heavy amount of sarcasm and standoffishness from the beginning ("Yeah I'll totally do that *sarcastic/scarred emoji*", when I simply suggested direct messaging to avoid clogging the channel with our discussion on my admittedly minor question) which is antagonistic at best and mocking at worst. Not only this, you're yet again glossing over the fact that Robert and Christine (an admin) both called me an "ass", which is a direct violation of UTP, yet no action has been taken to that end. There's also that one guy who blocked me in the Discord without me having directly interacted with him, after which he posted a screenshot showing my blocked messages among the others and saying something to the effect of "blocking helps hide the drivel"; he directly insulted my words as "drivel", which is a violation of UTP.
To further indulge the robust policies laid out on wikipedia, specifically Wikipedia:Dispute resolution, I explicitly aimed to Discuss with the other party. "Discussing heatedly or poorly – or not at all – will make other editors less sympathetic to your position, and prevent you from effectively using later stages in dispute resolution." That's a fair point, and one for which I take the blame. However, "Sustained discussion between the parties, even if not immediately successful, demonstrates your good faith and shows you are trying to reach a consensus." I was trying to achieve sustained discussion by following up the day after my initial request; I was trying to reach a consensus (more specifically, by way of a personal understanding of the situation). Focus on content: this is exactly what I was trying to do. However, people constantly chimed in with their displeasure at how I worded things. Indeed, "Bringing up conduct during discussions about content creates a distraction to the discussion and may inflame the situation." This is also exactly what happened.
Moderated discussion: I was provided no such option. Instead, a laissez-faire attitude was adopted by everyone else involved, and my concerns essentially went unacknowledged, never mind unanswered. Hephaestus' suggestion about using Yew Grove was great! I would have likely created a post on the topic in the next few days. Not sure why Christine, the admin, found it funny when I mentioned I infrequently use it (perhaps she became emotionally involved?). Do note, however, that Yew Grove was only suggested to me after the unpleasant discussion had already taken place. Hephaestus was the only person who actually focused on the content of my question and discussed it to its resolution. On the topic of Yew Grove, to my knowledge, Robert never made a thread on there discussing his idea for the change! From having dug up the old conversation, I'd found that he briefly talked about it in the Discord, before some seemingly closed-door discussions regarding codes occurred, after which he implemented the massive, sweeping changes with his bot. Funny how Yew Grove would have been a good place to discuss the details of his idea before allowing such a huge change to go through.
In summary, I am not a disruption to the wiki; I've been contributing for a long time and I have every intention of continuing to add quality edits if my block is removed. I do this because I care about making the wiki better for all users. This is the very reason I investigated the reasoning behind RobBot's big changes to file names. I approached the situation in a completely neutral manner. I was met with an abrasive and uncooperative editor, and you can then reproach me of having dealt with such a person indelicately, however I was merely reciprocating the attitude I was given, while being mindful not to cross any lines. Namely, I did not reciprocate the name-calling and insults from Robert and Christine. I'm trying my best to do what's right for the wiki, but when others do not share this sense of diligence, frictions inevitably arise, and it is absolutely a two-way street. The solution is not to block me for such a thing; it is to provide a more robust discussion framework by which content "disputes" (as an umbrella term) can be discussed sufficiently to reach consensus. I am not a vindictive or cruel person; I aim to do good things in life, and by extension, on this wiki. Although I may not always show it, I really do mean well. RuneMetrics Paul Z Talk bite me HS Contributions 07:23, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
I don't think that I have a bias here: I believe that I considered your appeal objectively and I have no reason to want to prevent you, someone who I know makes good edits to the wiki, from contributing here other than feeling that it was justified due to you breaking our policies regarding acceptable conduct towards other editors. As I pointed out, I discussed this with other admins to seek their opinions, rather than basing this solely what I thought, and no one felt that the appeal should be granted. I also mentioned that you could put this unblock request to a community consensus in an open thread on the Yew Grove, which is your way forward if you still feel like I and other admins have handled this incorrectly. You can still do this if you wish: now or in the future once you have had more of a chance to reflect on your behaviour. Magic logs detail.pngIsobelTalk page 14:41, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
So you've basically ignored the majority of what I wrote and addressed a very narrow element, namely about your bias (or lack thereof) in the matter. I'll respond to what little you've written: again, any discussion regarding the appeal should have been laid out here and the decision should have been made by someone who has never been involved with me in the past, not some private discussion like "-Hey guys do you think we should unblock Paul? -Oh him? God he's insufferable an ass, keep him blocked". To justify why I should not have been blocked in the first place, I'll refer to the last paragraph in my previous response. And just by the way, saying "once you have had more of a chance to reflect on your behaviour" is an unnecessarily condescending jab... I'd like you (or some other admin) to actually address the other points I made in my lengthy and thought-out reply above, especially my concerns regarding the validity, integrity, and neutrality of the community consensus approach. Without some sort of vetting process, it would almost certainly turn into a list of "oppose" or "oppose - per [user]" comments with no justification. I do not deserve to be permanently banned for this... RuneMetrics Paul Z Talk bite me HS Contributions 15:24, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Do you have any old computers you played RuneScape on?[edit source]

Hi Paul Z!

Recently we've been trying to recover lost versions of RuneScape that Jagex didn't save. We're asking anybody who played from 2001-2012 to check old computers, laptops, hard drives, or backups for old RuneScape files.

Your userpage says you've been editing the Wiki since 2010, so it's very likely that you have one of the missing versions. It would be great if you could search any old devices you may have so that these older versions of RuneScape aren't lost forever.

If you have any questions, feel free to join our Discord which shows the specific files we are looking for in full detail, and where people can help guide you through the search. Alternatively you can read our page on the Lost Media Wiki, and leave a message on my talk page.

Hlwys (talk) 18:54, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi, my old computer from that time period began corrupting due to age, some years ago. I was able to back it up to an external hard drive which I don't actually use anymore, so it's quite possible that it might have an old version of RuneScape still on there. If no one else is able to find it, feel free to let me know and I can have a look. RuneMetrics Paul Z Talk bite me HS Contributions 15:49, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
Hey thanks for getting back to me. We're hoping to recover as many versions as possible rather than just one specific copy, and around 2/3 are still missing. So it's very likely that you might have a missing version backed up on that drive. Let me know if you get time to take a look at it! Hlwys (talk) 20:22, 21 February 2022 (UTC)