User talk:Patheticcockroach

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Welcome[edit source]

Hello and welcome to the wiki! Have fun editing here, but first you should read the Style Guide to see how articles should be set up and our Help page for general help around the wiki. Editing help can be found here. If you need help with anything feel free to ask me on my Talk Page. There are many editors here who can help you with anything you need. Also, if you haven't already, why don't you create a User page to help everyone get to know you better? You can even create a Signature on the page Template:signatures/Patheticcockroach to help add color to your name when you sign posts. Check out this page for help with that. Always remember to sign your forum and talk page posts with 4 tildes ~~~~ until you've got a sig (if you'd like one), or just press the sign button: Signature button.png. Once again, welcome! Christine 12:57, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks (kind of late... but at least it lets me test my new sig) Second-abyssal-whip.pngPatheticcockroachGuthan's platebody.png(Talk) 21:47, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

My Eyes!!![edit source]

Can you please change the font colour on your signature. Light blue does't go very well, especialy since my monobook settings make everything look like they would on the RuneScape website. Thanks.Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 21:49, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Oops, sorry, I'll edit that... By the way, do you know why my talk link (in my sig) doesn't work ?
It does, but since you're on your talk page right now, it can't link. If you link from a page to the same page, it appears black. On another page, it will work. Test it in the Sandbox.Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 21:53, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Oh, right, also hanks for adding the s at signatures... I leeched Jigo22's signature and he didn't have one, that's why I messep upSecond-abyssal-whip.pngPatheticcockroachGuthan's platebody.png(Talk) 21:55, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I see. So, should I go and change it to darkblue?Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 21:57, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Lol, no I was talking only about the s at signatures, not about the colors :DSecond-abyssal-whip.pngPatheticcockroachGuthan's platebody.png(Talk) 22:01, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I know, and I was asking if I could change the colour. Oh well, beat me to it. Well, happy editing =D.Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 22:03, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

fremenik userboxes[edit source]

ok, even though a dont know the difference. im just gonna keep it how it is.--Dragon dagger.pngShadow VetoTalk Retribution.png 21:42, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

There's no difference, it's just for making your code smaller if you want ;) Second-abyssal-whip.pngPatheticcockroachGuthan's platebody.png(Talk) 21:58, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

RE:Unverified info on Cyclops[edit source]

While I admit I don't have any hard evidence pointing against it, we should avoid spreading rumours or incorrect assumptions that are not backed up by any proof. I suspect that it is much more likely that the difference in examine texts is simply JaGeX playing with the conventional description of an orge/cyclops/monster etc. to make it slightly amusing. Throughout the rest of the game, there is no gender bias (except for clothing and Recruitment Drive which don't really count) so I see no reason why there would be any here, it would be unfair if there were. I suspect that this 'fact' is simply someone looking at the examines and drawing conclusions from them.Dechaineux Talk 08:23, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

noob protecter, hates beggers[edit source]

How can you protect noobs and hate beggers lol its one and the same thing.If they dont ask before they ask after you have helped.?????!!!!!!¿¿¿¿¿--j-g 09:21, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Lol, no it's not really the same. "Noobs" aren't necessarily beggars. The "noobs" I "protect" are just normal ppl who have low lvls, simply because they started not long ago or just don't play much. Also, what I mean by this noob protector box is more that I hate it when idiots go around calling everyone a noob for no reason, there is far too much noob-calling on P2P servers. Some of these ppl still call me noob while I'm cb lvl 82 and sometimes/often have a higher overall lvl than them... Second-abyssal-whip.pngPatheticcockroachGuthan's platebody.png(Talk) 09:26, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
soz but i dont know that kind of noobs lol--j-g 09:29, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Fixing GEMW items[edit source]

I made a minor adjustment to what is displayed when you go directly to one of the items in the exchange, such as Exchange:Super energy mix that you mentioned earlier on my talk page. I will be adding in some other functionality on that too, but it does provide a basic start.

What happened here was the introduction of a "View" option to allow different sorts of data massaging of the information in the psuedo-database from the Grand Exchange... mainly to put the Grand Exchange prices in the info boxes of the item pages. Other sorts of interesting alternative ways of working with the information can be developed as well, so we still haven't really started on the full depth of what can be accomplished with this information.

I hope you at least like how this looks... and know that it can be changed too. --Robert Horning 22:46, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I noticed these changes (btw, Exchange:Super energy mix was just a random example picked up from the first link I found in the recent changes), they are great : It even looks pretty nice, while all I expected was simply some output no matter its look. So thanks a lot, I think it will make things quite easier for ppl updating the prices. Just a last (minor) request : could you add the price evolution too ? Second-abyssal-whip.pngPatheticcockroachGuthan's platebody.png(Talk) 07:33, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Macro[edit source]

I don't see why macros would sell to shops. Most of them sell to other players in order to gain maximum profit, so they just chop and bank their logs, no matter how far (like the bots at the yews south of Melzar's). I have also chopped at the willows in rimmington many times on an F2P world before December 10, and haven't seen one bot there once. Those willows in the general store could've just been sold by other players. --Drummer (speak) 07:53, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, I did saw macros in action there, I didn't assume their presence just by the logs in the shop: in fact, the first time I noticed them was because I was bothered by a guy repeatedly cutting the same trees as me while he arrived after me and there are plenty other trees, then I noticed has was going back and to the shop, with a bot behavior. I didn't see many of them though. Second-abyssal-whip.pngPatheticcockroachGuthan's platebody.png(Talk) 08:07, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Dragonfire shield cost[edit source]

Steel dragons, 10 mil. "Chop" was a typo. It meant to say "Cost". --Drummer (speak) 01:17, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Signature[edit source]

Thanks for the help dude!!!

Third age full helmet.pngAgownsrs2Third age full helmet.pngTalk

You're welcome :) Second-abyssal-whip.pngPatheticcockroachGuthan's platebody.png(Talk) 15:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks[edit source]

Thanks for the help. I hope fixing the pages I made didn't take you too long.--Degenret01 08:07, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

No problem, and don't worry, fixing pages is really fast, when you get used to it ;) Second-abyssal-whip.pngPatheticcockroachGuthan's platebody.png(Talk) 12:27, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

NICE RS ACCOUNT![edit source]

Although you got about 100+ better total than me... and ALOT! more quest points!!! I'm level 95 ill pwn you at combat =P. You have beutiful Qp's dude(jealousy) for how long have you been playing?  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Agownsrs2 (talk).

I've been playing since some time in 2005, I'm not sure when. I played for a few months (f2p), did all free quests, and stopped playing. Then I started again, in June 2007, as member. Then I cancelled my p2p after the Dec 10 updates, and I'm planning to become member again around June 2008, so I'll have more quests to do (currently the quests have left have VERY boring requirements, like lvl 65 smithing or 60 range...) Second-abyssal-whip.pngPatheticcockroachGuthan's platebody.png(Talk) 15:11, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

rune simmy needed[edit source]

any one have a rune simmy they dont wat i really need it if so my user name is astroskater2  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Astroskater2 (talk).

I think you can find one easily and cheap on the GE (there are so many of them for sale that the last time I tried to sell one, I finally chose to high alch it...) Second-abyssal-whip.pngPatheticcockroachGuthan's platebody.png(Talk) 07:15, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Maps[edit source]

Hi there. Thanks for helping add maps to the infoboxes in city articles. I just think though that they are too big. They seem to be squishing up the start of the page. Use Lumbridge or the Void Knights' Outpost for an example. It just gets a little messy. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 12:07, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I got misdirected by the variable infobox size. At my resolution (1280*1024), the width I gave to the maps (250px) appeared to be just the natural size of the city infobox. I think the best thing to do would be to edit the template so it handles the thumbnail width by itself, eg you just need to give the image name (like GE market watch items), and the template would create the image tag ([[Image:(insert name here)|(standard width)]]). Second-abyssal-whip.pngPatheticcockroachGuthan's platebody.png(Talk) 12:15, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Youre right. Except I don't know how to do that. I'll try. Chicken7 >talk 12:28, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Elf Camp Looks like a decent size. What do you think? I changed my resolution to your size and I see what you mean. Maybe we should ask an admin. I did ask User:Ilyas earlier coz he was doing big maps too. Chicken7 >talk 12:42, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Elf camp is a particular case because it's very small, and at this size it's even zoomed in. Lumbridge with a 150px width would be simply unreadable... that's annoying... Second-abyssal-whip.pngPatheticcockroachGuthan's platebody.png(Talk) 12:50, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes true, youve got a point... but the viewer could click on the map to see it in higher resolution. We could maybe have a caption underneath reading 'Click for higher resoution' or something. I need to go now. Thanks. Chicken7 >talk 13:20, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I propose the main size for maps be 190px. What do you think?? Ilyas thinks it's a good size too. Chicken7 >talk 00:47, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
OK, anyway it's unavoidable that we'll have some cities for which even a higher size is too small, so I suppose we can consider this more as a thumbnail to click to obtain the "normal" resolution. Also, shall I tr to edit the template so that the Image tag (with the 190px width) is automatically added ? This would make it much easier to keep all images the same width, and to change it should we decide this later. Second-abyssal-whip.pngPatheticcockroachGuthan's platebody.png(Talk) 06:16, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes please. After your done, I'll remove all the other sizes on the articles. Chicken7 >talk 11:38, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
OK. I'll start now Chicken7 >talk 12:42, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
That was fast... I just finished editing the template :) Second-abyssal-whip.pngPatheticcockroachGuthan's platebody.png(Talk) 12:44, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Lol. I had gthe template history up and kept refreshing. ;) Chicken7 >talk 12:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm done. Although a lot of articles need the map moved from the article to the infobox. Thanks for helping. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 13:36, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Re:Pmatt123[edit source]

Glad things were fixed with him. When I looked at his contributions, there was nothing I could see that had been done wrong, and apparantly it didn't show any pages that were deleted, which is kind of strange. Oh well, at least it was corrected. Thanks for letting me know. Slayer TIRRIANGANT (TALK) 21:57, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

^about that, I never looked at the CVU page, hence why I never deleted it. It was just in recent changes when I signed in so I got rid of it.... ChristineTalk 22:25, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Template:Infobox Item[edit source]

According to this, the same bug affects similar parser functions as well, so it still would've created a lot of wanteds (I think). However, using the technique described on that page, it's possible to work around that. It will now use the GEMW price if nothing has been entered into the exchange field and the Exchange: page exists. Maybe it should be set up to default to the GEMW price (if possible), though? Skill 07:18, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, I missed the point of the bug... thought it was because Template:GEPrice was used in the code to be executed if the #ifexist returns true, but I guess that isn't the case. Reverted it back to your version, with the workaround for the bug in #if et al. in place. Basically the workaround makes the parser function return "GEPrice" or "empty" depending on result, then puts that into double brackets so that it becomes a template call. Anyway, I guess that's the best we can do given the circumstances. Skill 07:55, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

RE:My Images[edit source]

Hi. I'll upload them again for you but they seem to be an extremely large size. I'll finish the Kharidian Desert and then I'll upload them again. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 10:48, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually I'll wait for a response just in case. Chicken7 >talk 10:57, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
So should I upload them in PNG? Chicken7 >talk 12:08, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Image:Kandarinmap.PNG came out as 2.27MB!! There was no older version for Kandarin and even in JPG format it was over 150px. That's why the world map is in JPG aswell. Should I continue? Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 01:03, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
OK Thanks. If any of them are smaller than Kandarin I'll upload them in PNG format and see what size they are. I'll reupload Kandarin. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 05:45, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

RE:Template:Userbox/ally-Kandarin[edit source]

Ty. I'll make sure to use that from now on. Thanks ;D Chicken7 >talk 08:11, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks[edit source]

Many thanks for write me that useful article on my discussion, but dont worry, i`ve been on many wikis, included wikipedia on english and spanish, by the way, can i add you on RuneScape?  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jocaypa (talk).

You're welcome :) You can add me if you want, but my private chat is quite often turned off though. Second-abyssal-whip.pngPatheticcockroachGuthan's platebody.png(Talk) 06:38, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Image help please[edit source]

Hi. I am hoping you can help with a little image problem. I was trying to "fix" File:Crimson_charm.png because it was really dark. So I downloaded it, changed the color in just one area, saved and uploaded. Now it has a pink background. I have odd computer experience and have no no idea how to fix this. I tried paint because thats all I know. Any ideas? Help is appreciated, thanks.--Degenret01 08:53, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

P.S. I dont know why it is not linking right , charm pic is at 08:57, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Well... I have fixed your problem... Please check... Furthermore, if you want to learn how to cut the coloured background to make it transparent,,, you oughta use another image-editing software like PhotoImpact, Photoshop etc. I personally use PhotoImpact, which runs faster in my PC. =]  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xdragonaite (talk).

I think it had a pink background because a common way to make a transparent BG is to put a flashy, unused elsewhere color as the background and then tag it as transparent when compressing it into GIF/PNG. Note also that I fixed your link to the picture. Finally, 2 tutorials to make a transparent background using The GIMP (free software) : [1] and [2] (illustrated). Second-abyssal-whip.pngPatheticcockroachGuthan's platebody.png(Talk) 12:40, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Buzz 9 1990[edit source]

Thanx for welcoming me on this website. I know how a few things work right now =) Ill see myself how and what. But the most important ! The changes on this wiki site, better help for viewers. Thats the main thing im gonna focus on. And oh btw, check out my USER page, i added some things to it =þ Kind regards,

Dragon full helm.pngDragon chainbody.pngBuzz 9 1990Dragon platelegs.pngDragon boots.png

I see, good choices of userboxes, I contributed to a few of them ;) Second-abyssal-whip.pngPatheticcockroachGuthan's platebody.png(Talk) 19:37, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Happy Valentines day![edit source]

I'm wishing you a great V-day :) Dragon 2h sword old.png Vex 327 talk 15:04, 14 February 2008 (UTC)Vex 327

Thanks :) Second-abyssal-whip.pngPatheticcockroachGuthan's platebody.png(Talk) 10:17, 14 February 2008 (EST)

Table formatting[edit source]

Hi, im trying to get a table to format correctly. Could you take a look at the sandbox please? O have uploaded some code for the table but tis not being displayed at all. WHat have i done wrong? Thanks, Mikelid109 16:22, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, I think ive solved that thanks to you :)
Problem is, locally the bot works but when i try to save my page, it tells me I dont have bot permission. Were can I post about getting bot status for the account (mikelid109Bot)? Thanks again for the help, Mikelid109 20:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

RE:Bots[edit source]

Thanks for the help. I'll take a look at those links. Sorry for the late reply but I've been away for a while. :) Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 03:50, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

What the... Buzz 9 1990[edit source]

-- Buzz (Talk#P ) 14:32, 18 February 2008 (UTC) Awesome thanx for the help btw, check my USER PAGE, it has been updated and its pretty nice right now

No problem :) Nice user page, too... but why is the font that small down there? Second-abyssal-whip.pngPatheticcockroachGuthan's platebody.png(Talk) 14:43, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

User page[edit source]

Dear Patheticcockroach, (lol)

I check your userpage pretty much. You are changing a lot =). Do you want to have the userboxes in a frame? Doesn't it get out of screen?
I made it without frames to get it in-screen and nicely 2 rows. I finished making my own userboxes. Finnaly =).
I voted you poll, died in a few quests and Mourning Ends Part II got the most chance for dying, as you start running past dark beasts, then the spirits who can hit up to 13 and the most annoying agility spot ever made.
Anyway, good luck on editing you userpage to get it into the frames.

Best regards,
Buzz (Talk#P ) 10:57, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

PS Check out the Favorite Runescape Training Areas on my user page, everyone should have 1!

Exchange[edit source]

I noticed you know a lot about infoboxes =P Can you help me with the exchange item one? I know nothing about it, so I don't want to mess anything up. It currently says <!-- Replace this bit with five tildes (~~~~~), creating the current date/time -->. This leads people to replace it, so the instructions are removed for the next person. Can you reword that so that people stop replacing it? I'm bad enough with templates as it is, but the exchange pages are just a mystery to me. Please and thanks :) ChristineTalkFlickr 22:19, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure of where you want me to change this... you mean, in any new Exchange: page? Then the template to edit would be Template:Newpage exchange, and I think you'd know how to edit it yourself ;) Otherwise, well just tell me how to rephrase this and I'll edit it for you. However, for the existing Exchange: pages, this can't be changed automatically. Second-abyssal-whip.pngPatheticcockroachGuthan's platebody.png(Talk) 07:04, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Subpages and "My GE"[edit source]

Dear patheticcockroach,

How do i make subpages and a grand exchange list? its very handy.


Buzz (Talk#P ) 12:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Making a subpage is like making any wiki page: just type the name of the page in your address (URL) bar. The only difference with the other wiki pages is that it should be named like [your user page]/[the subpage], for instance if you want to create a GE page like mine called "my ge", just edit the page User:Buzz 9 1990/My GE. As for how to create the GE table, I suggest that you simply copy/paste the code of my page ;) Second-abyssal-whip.pngPatheticcockroachGuthan's platebody.png(Talk) 12:50, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
It works perfectly, awesome and thanks again!
I also found a Template edit page and helped a person with his sig. OMG, i did it oke! OMG
Buzz (Talk#P ) 14:44, 10 March 2008 (UTC) (Visit my userpage whenever you like)
I did something with userpages, works well. You can always check it out.

(vote at my new polls)

Thanx Buzz (Talk#P ) 13:02, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Uploading new image (version)[edit source]

I tried to upload a newer version of the D2H image

I removed the background, but now the image is only smaller...

Then i tried to upload the image again, still small...

Buzz (Talk#P ) 10:39, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Not orphaned[edit source]

Just so you know, I removed a few items from your 'Not orphaned' subpage. The tree seeds have been moved from "Exchange:xyz seed" to "Exchange:xyz tree seed" so the old pages don't exist anymore. Hope that's ok. Pointy 11:44, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Sure, no problem, as stated on the page, I don't want it to create wanted pages :) Second-abyssal-whip.pngPatheticcockroachGuthan's platebody.png(Talk) 11:57, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Welcome template?[edit source]

I saw the message you left on Japol1's talk page. How did you do it without a template? I saw the {{PAGENAME}} and {{#if|}} templates, so you couldn't have typed it out manually, but how did you do it without typing the whole thing out, or without a template? White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 20:40, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I used {{subst:[the template]}} ;) Second-abyssal-whip.pngPatheticcockroachGuthan's platebody.png(Talk) 21:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

RE: Unused image[edit source]

Chicken had put a speedy deletion tag on it saying it was replaced with [[:Image:Runekoordinaatit.png]]. Christine 16:48, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Interesting new skill?[edit source]

Alright fine, it's censorship by definition. However, as a company, they're not promoting it, Jagex is simply trying to make thngs run smoothly. The same way vandals screw up RS Wiki, removing what they want to say isn't censorship, it's just the way of things in the sense that it's disruptive. By the way, I like your picture at the top. XD Hoping you have a good day, AriasCombatSwords.pngKnight 17:07, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Abolish UOTM[edit source]

On the talk page you mentioned supporitng getting rid of it. The proposal is up RuneScape:Yew_Grove#Abolish_user_of_the_month.--Degenret01 03:16, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Re:RuneScape:Yew_Grove/Respecting_classified_information[edit source]

"they also broke real-world laws" clearly states that the RWITs broke the law, making their actions illegal. Quest map icon.png Laser Dragon Task map icon.png 21:39, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

From the T&C "You agree that all intellectual property or other rights in any game character, account and items are and will remain our property.". You can't sell something that you don't own. Quest map icon.png Laser Dragon Task map icon.png 21:51, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Trades that occur in game are not breaking the law. Like you said, the items still remain in game where Jagex has controol over them. Real World Item Trading (RWIT) is selling a product or service in game for something that exists outside of the game. Unless Jagex states otherwise, any property that they own can only be sold for real world items by them. If Jagex sold their items for real world money, then it would be perfectly legal.
I did base my reply on your answer; this is where you are missing the point. RWIT is all about transferring in-game objects for out-of-game objects, not the in-game transfer from account to account. For your CD example: CDs are physical objects. The person who bought the CD has not purchased the property rights to the song, but the CD itself. RuneScape items are not physical object, so you have to use a different analogy. For digital media files, you purchase the right to play the music, not the right to distribute the file itself. It is illegal to transfer, sell, or charge money for the file without permission from the artists or record company. The same applies for RunsScape items, it is Illegal to transfer, sell, or charge money for their use unless you have been given explicit permission by Jagex to do so. Quest map icon.png Laser Dragon Task map icon.png 23:47, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Lol?[edit source]

Please tell me how I broke RS:3RR. I deleted his images because he couldn't prove that they were real, meaning they had no place on this wiki. He in turn ignored my warnings and flamed me. If you want to get technical, I broke absolutely no rules. ;) Andrew talk 14:53, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Then you will also know that there are exceptions to RS:3RR. :) Andrew talk 15:04, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Signature[edit source]

Hello, per RS:SIG I have reduced the size of the images in your signature. Please make sure to keep the images in your signature small, so that they don't interfere with the normal flow of text. Thanks. Ajraddatz Talk 18:29, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Lamistard's memory[edit source]

The image we have for the location is superior to yours. You can see both the tunnel and the fortress. Small recharge gem.png AnselaJonla Slayer-icon.png 08:28, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

What image? If you mean [[:File:Lamistard's_memory_location.png]], that's the only picture of the whole list where the player dot isn't placed in a gathering location. If you mean another, by all means do add it to the page - I haven't been able to find it. Second-abyssal-whip.pngPatheticcockroachGuthan's platebody.png(Talk) 08:32, April 14, 2014 (UTC)
Ok, just saw your superprompt edit (where were you when someone broke the pic URL?), you did mean that picture. Again:
1) this is the only picture of the whole list where the player dot isn't placed on the gathering location
2) my picture shows both the fortress and the tunnel entrance as well, only with a focus on the easier to reach fortress
3) and it has North upwards...
I remember why I left here now... trying to improve the poor parts of the documentation just isn't appreciated (and that must be why there are so many) Second-abyssal-whip.pngPatheticcockroachGuthan's platebody.png(Talk) 08:50, April 14, 2014 (UTC)
Hey... just wanted to say welcome back. (I recognised your username from the earlier days in Yew Grove.) Don't mind the above... the wiki has become alot unfriendlier nowadays, but that's just way things are now.   az talk   11:25, April 14, 2014 (UTC)