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Andrew talk 23:47, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Market crash[edit source]

Just because you won't sell your expensive items does not mean it is not a reason. There are plenty of players out there with a huge age range. The younger players will most likely not sell their items, but the elders will because it is only a game. Also, please be much kinder when you put in the summary because everyone can read it.Santa hat.png Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 12:04, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

No, because I have no proof. However, you do have to consider the possibilities. There will be players who will sell expensive stuff. I mean, don't you attend drop parties? Some people do drop good stuff because they quit and end up playing again maybe next year and will have to start all over again since they have no money. Right now, people are selling their stuff and will still have money to start all over. I think it seems better to sell your items rather than just having a drop party.Santa hat.png Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 23:53, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: What are you doing?[edit source]

Wink ʞooɔ 22:35, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Howdy[edit source]

Errm...what do you mean?

And hello to you too! Snowy Christmas!1337rng3r|Talk T-Hawk wishes you a wonderful snowy Christmas! 03:10, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

Not notable[edit source]

These are all less notable then it Mr. Anura 14:59, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Crusade.[edit source]

It's a crusade!! --Agamemnus 23:22, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Do I have support? That... that's like asking whether I have support to fix spelling mistakes, because it is one. I have NUCULEAR support..--Agamemnus 23:30, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Numbers don't make one group correct over another.--Agamemnus 23:34, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Re:hey, i'd like your oopinion[edit source]

I kinda support both sides, actually. :\ To me, Agamemnus's version sounds more professional/like an encyclopedia, but the word is used by players in RuneScape, like you said. --Iiii I I I 23:48, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

So which is it?[edit source]

Is "merchanting":

Price manipulation?
Buying/selling on the GE?
Player-to-player trading?
Buying things out at a cheaper price in a store and reselling in the GE?
Long term investing?

How about we just reduce the entire english language to merchanting? Huh? Merchanting merchanting merchanting!

--Agamemnus 02:46, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

Mithril is a real object.[edit source]

"Merchanting" is not an object.

Gielinor is an "object" -- another name for Runescape.

"Merchanting" is not an object.

"Thingy" is a joke object that Jagex mods put in on the GE.

"Merchanting" is not an object.

Do you see where I'm going with this?
--Agamemnus 02:48, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

Merchanting is a word, that is used to mean one of a variety of different things depending on what the person is thinking at the moment. Every time someone uses the word "merchanting" when I chat with them, I correct them and explain to them that it is an inaccurate slang made-up word. Slang has no place in a wiki that attempts to precisely explain a subject.--Agamemnus 02:51, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
You just said "traders and merchanters"... that's where your argument is starting to fall apart. Weren't you a second ago claiming that "trader" and "merchanter" is the same thing? No? For you to be right, a "trader" would also have to equal a "price manipulator". Clearly, that is not the case. Therefore, you cannot be correct either way.--Agamemnus 02:53, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
You could continue all night, couldn't you? First of all, you throw the fallacy at me that just because I'm the only one reverting, that means I am somehow wrong. Second, you again ignore that you cannot define "merchanting", because it means many things to different people, the very definition of slang. Third, you again ignore that this is a wiki, which means that it needs to be precise. Fourth, it's ridiculous how you ignore my arguments and you even don't take the time to properly punctuate or even spell in your response.--Agamemnus 02:57, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
>The definition of a Trade and a merchant are not the same, however, in the context you
>attempted to apply it trader to, merchant was the correct definition as a very real and
>known/hated subclass of trader.
First of all, you said "traders" and "merchanters", not "trade" and "merchant". Secondly, if you had stopped to look what you were randomly reverting, you would have seen that I removed cases where "merchanting" meant "player-to-player trading", not only where it meant price manipulation. I also removed it in cases where it meant "flipping", "GE trading", etc, and replaced the word with what was actually meant in the article.
>IT does not MATTER that it is a made up word by players, because it was still made
>by them and STILL used by them. Unless you plan to make the entire game stop
>using the term, its going to exist, as much as you hate that it isn't proper Englisch.
The players can use them if they want to, but it's completely illogical that an article must use them. Players often mistake "you're" and "your", "it's and "its", and make many other mistakes, as well. This is the same case.-Agamemnus 03:08, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
Finally, think about this. I edited and renamed this article over half a year ago, and no one has said "but wait, it's not a price manipulation clan! It's a merchanting clan!" So, there goes your last (fallacious) argument of "oh, everyone else calls it merchanting so it must be right" out the window.--Agamemnus 03:26, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
That's most likely because most people on the Wiki are aware that so-called "merchanting clans" are in fact price-manipulation clans and are happy with the article being renamed to such in order to educate other players about the dangers of investing in price-manipulation clans. While that edit was okay with everyone on the Wiki, your crusade to remove all traces of the word "merchanting" from the Wiki has made quite a few users, myself included, side against you on the on-going debate on whether you're right or not about removing that particular word. Please think carefully before you suddenly go off deleting all traces of a particular word just because you don't agree with using it in article, as other users will likely disagree with your crusade and side against you. Thank you for your time. [1] N7 Elite (Ready to talk now?) 03:20, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

you are basically vandalizing my posts.[edit source]

Please undo your undos. I laid out my reasons for you yesterday, and you had no logical counter-argument. What you are doing is simply vandalism.--Agamemnus 03:26, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

And i disagree with your reasons. I stopped because I got tired of your filibuster-esque antics. --jakezing 03:27, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
You might disagree, and you have a right to disagree, but you have not laid out any valid reasons of why you are correct. Therefore, when you are undoing my edits, it is simply vandalism.--Agamemnus 03:31, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
Uh huh...--jakezing 03:32, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I'll try to explain one more time... I already told you that I modified the advanced trading guide 6 months ago, and no one said it was wrong. What changed? Do I need "consensus" every single time I change something, when that was already considered to be normal?--Agamemnus 03:36, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
It certainly would have been a good idea in this case, Agamemnus. All you've managed to do by removing all traces of that word without consensus is stir up a large hornets' nest between yourself and many of the other users on the Wiki. [2] N7 Elite (Ready to talk now?) 03:39, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
If everyone thought like that, nothing would get done.--Agamemnus 03:40, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
If everybody tried to reach consensus and act in the spirit of wiki? So instead of reaching consensus and compromise we should all just do as we wish without care?--jakezing 03:43, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
If everyone thought like you, Agamemnus, the Wiki would exist in a perpetual state of chaos from everyone rushing about and changing things only to have other users change them back and yet more users change them to something totally different. There's a reason we're supposed to reach consensus before doing major edits, you know... [3] N7 Elite (Ready to talk now?) 03:47, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
(1) This was not a "major" edit. (2) Consensus was reached, via the fact that no one said one word when I changed that mammoth article. And you know it.--Agamemnus 03:53, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
So the removal of all traces of the word "merchanting" from the entire Wiki isn't considered a major edit? I don't know about you, Agamemnus, but that sounds like a major edit, not only to me, but also to the other users who you are continuing to ignore whilst doing what you please in regards to this situation. [4] N7 Elite (Ready to talk now?) 03:56, October 9, 2010 (UTC) P.S.: The removal of that particular word from a single article, no matter how big it is, does NOT mean consensus was reached for the removal of that word from the entire Wiki, and you know it.

I only mentioned it once, vandal.[edit source]

... where I was correcting the other user's mis-information.--Agamemnus 03:51, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Of respect and professionalism[edit source]

I understand your position, and I respect your right to disagree with Agamemnus. I also disagree with his decision to take large-scale action without consulting the community. However, your decisions to make light of the situation, as in ";)" and "haha," and cite policies in arguably improper ways are partially responsible for creating a hostile environment. Everyone has the right to disagree and to discuss disagreement, but, for the sake of the community, I'd prefer that you try to be more professional about it. The situation has already become a personal issue, which isn't very far from a flamewar and the inevitable bad decisions that result. Nobody benefits from that. Leftiness 04:38, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

i guess i dont get a block message[edit source]

i feel so left out :/

but yah, i understand why and accept :)--jakezing 05:23, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for not making a fit Wink ʞooɔ 07:35, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Please don't...[edit source]

A page suggesting high end equipment is not a good reason to remove it. In fact, there's nothing wrong with it. High level people kill lower level mobs just plenty. MolMan 01:58, April 29, 2015 (UTC)

It isn't particularly that useful for anybody who can't use a comp cape--Mikael (talk) 01:58, April 29, 2015 (UTC)
That's why there's more equipment suggested. ;) MolMan 02:00, April 29, 2015 (UTC)
It's a common problem throughout the wiki, ive seen Drygores and testus rec'ed for mid level quests for christs sake. --Mikael (talk) 02:01, April 29, 2015 (UTC)
Notice how I didn't revert your edits to that quest. That one's agreeable. But melee training? You can do that at any level. People go for 200M skills. And what does comp cape have to do with removing all equipment. You removed everything from rune to tetsu just because you don't like tetsu. In reality, this equipment isn't hard to get, so it's not like you should be avoiding it as a suggestion. MolMan 02:05, April 29, 2015 (UTC)
If it's for all training why does it start with rune and better? What good of a strategy rec. is that?--Mikael (talk) 02:07, April 29, 2015 (UTC)
Then extend it down instead of removing it. MolMan 02:09, April 29, 2015 (UTC)