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Insulting other users in discussions[edit source]

Hi. Your comments near the bottom of here are unacceptable. Regardless of your disagreement with him, continued passive-aggressive questioning of his mental faculties is not a hallmark of intelligent debate, and is in fact a violation of the user treatment policy. I've noticed that you do this quite commonly, so hopefully you can identify and correct the issue that is causing you to insult others as such. Thanks, ʞooɔ 02:10, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Cook Me Plox. It seems you have precipitated yourself when you have sent me this message. The messages I've sent to Temujin96 aren't even slightly offensive and I would like to see proof of me "questioning his mental faculties". If you believe that people that can't actually send what they desire on messages sometimes is a mental problem, then you are insulting myself, because I do that occasionally and I don't have any mental faculties. I also see you were opportunist when it came to leave me this message, which is very late, irrelevant and lacks proof. You apparently noticed that I had just archived messages and found it was a good time to leave the title "She insults other users" at the first space due to the discussion I had with you about the map showing the religions of Gielinor. That is the impression I have, since you left me that message days after the discussion with Temujin and put a flashy title that offends myself and does not have any factual support. Hurt the images of other users implying they are unoccupied, disruptive people is not something that will solve any problem, Cook Me Plox. Please reflect about that when leaving messages to any person, not only in the Runescape Wiki. Magpie.pngHallowlandtalkWoodcutting-icon.png 14:55, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
Your comments are clearly meant to put down the person you're arguing with. I've been on the receiving end of them, as have many others. They're always rude but just innocuous enough to toe the line of the rule of law.
  • And apparently my analogy isn't flawed, you just need to read things more carefully
  • Sorry but the impression I'm having is that you are insisting on this topic with no reason and trying to dispute knowledge with the developers of the Elf Camp.
  • Congratulations (if that is an achievement to you)
  • Let me refresh your memory =)
  • being the first player to have an answer from a mod in a forum thread is not something that will ever convince me that you actually listened to/read something (do not mind proving)
Now, taken on their own none of these are really a problem. Together, however, and along with your previous comments in a very similar area ("if you know english you'd know that"), they show a pattern of behavior that attempts to discredit your opponent through ad hominem and insulting either their memory, their reading skills, or their English language skills. Furthermore, my message was left exactly 14 hours after your last message on Temujin's talk page, not "days after" as you've said. Your contention that I've purposely left that message on your freshly archived talk page in order to discredit is obviously in bad faith so I'm not going to respond to it besides to say that it's not true. You have a pattern of abrasive, insulting behavior that needs to stop. ʞooɔ 15:22, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
Cook me Plox, are you aware your point of view? You are putting "Let me refresh your memory =)", " you just need to read things more carefully", "congratulations" and my statement saying that Temujin first answering a mod will never convince me that he actually listened to/read Above The Lore as highly offensive insults...That was something that made me slightly laugh. I also have knowledge that you are an excellent reader but you could stop using expressions in other languages because communication only happens when the person you are talking to understands what you are saying, and using these expressions hurts your point of view in my opinion. And when I say "if you know english you'd know that" I'm just supporting the fact that the person knows about the subject (obviously, since we are both using english). Your accusations have no foundation and lack the definition of insulting. The conversation I had with Temujin96 was perfectly normal and no rules were broken. You are hunting for problems that never existed with unfair accusations and irrelevant facts. If you insist on the topic, I will have to ignore you. Magpie.pngHallowlandtalkWoodcutting-icon.png 15:50, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
Temujin was insulted to the point that he tried to have your most recent message removed under the "blatant flaming" exception for RS:DDD. I found your conduct in the chat problematic enough to warn you about it on the spot, and others in the chat (which we for some reason trust you to moderate) have raised similar concerns. Perhaps you don't see it this way, but that's because you're in the center of it. I honestly don't know if it's a language disconnect or if you're trying to get in as many subtle digs as possible without actually breaking the policy and officially being insulting. What you are doing is no better, and as a chat moderator your behavior and interactions with other editors should be impeccable. What you do during conversational arguments is far below any standard, and whether you realize it or not, it's degrading to other users. I don't really care if you accept my argument, I just need you to stop acting this way when you get in the middle of fights. Otherwise you will eventually be blocked for it. ʞooɔ 16:06, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

Block[edit source]

Per Forum:Assessing Hallowland's Character, you have been given an indefinite block. You can request the block's removal at a later time on the Yew Grove. --LiquidTalk 22:07, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Hi, my intention when closing that thread was to let there be a review thread on the block at some point in time. Since you seem to be interested in making constructive threads to the wiki (albeit by breaking the rules by using a sockpuppet) I am willing to start that review thread on your block if you so wish. You will have the chance to tell everyone your side of the story. You can reply here and I'll see it. --LiquidTalk 16:37, August 3, 2014 (UTC)
Hello Liquid, I was gradually revealing my identity with Oliverrx (which is probably how you discovered it was me). It wasn't intended to be a sockpuppet, just a way to reason with people using private messages in the chat, in order to convince them I am not the villain I seem to be. Anyway I believe I'll explain this more properly in the thread. I am interested in a review thread, yes. Please create it when you can, thank you for the message, I never really knew how returning from a ban worked (I never banned someone (I think) and never appealed). Anyway thanks again >_> Magpie.pngHallowlandtalkWoodcutting-icon.png 17:49, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
Forum:Review of Hallowland block has been created. You can write a statement here and I'll copy it over. --LiquidTalk 18:33, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
Hi again, Liquid. Considering this is a special case, I would like to have permission to edit the page (the thread page only) with Oliverrx in order to reason with people more effectively, and comment. Magpie.pngHallowlandtalkWoodcutting-icon.png 19:26, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
Oh, I see Oliverrx is also blocked. Well, could I use this account to participate the thread? I won't be editing any other pages (only my talk page, of course). Magpie.pngHallowlandtalkWoodcutting-icon.png 19:38, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
Given that this kind of thing has happened before, for example Forum:Request to Remove Btz's Ban, I would prefer if you just said anything you had to say here. You can say who you're reply to or where you want the statement to go and I, or someone else, will transfer it over. --LiquidTalk 20:11, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
Okay. Please copy and paste after this line: Magpie.pngHallowlandtalkWoodcutting-icon.png 21:12, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
Wait, how do I do that again *-*? Magpie.pngHallowlandtalkWoodcutting-icon.png 22:01, August 5, 2014 (UTC)
You indent by adding a colon at the start of each paragraph. Add one colon for each indentation. Just do what you did in your reply to me, you put three colons in front of "Wait, how do I do that again?" and it's indented properly here. --LiquidTalk 00:13, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
Also I removed your comments from this page cause it's getting quite long and difficult to sift through to find the relevant paragraphs to copy. It's all on the thread now for anyone who wishes to see them (and they are presented in context there too). --LiquidTalk 00:13, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

Never mind about the indentations, I'll take care of it. --LiquidTalk 02:07, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

Answer to Cook at the bottom of the page: There were people aware it was me before I even created it, I told people before creating the account. And I can say you may be wrong about that, considering I didn't know what "IP" was until someone told me in the chat after many months from the creation of this account (and at that point I had 4 accounts). You may be thinking wikians discovered Oliverrx was myself, but I told several people, and the information spread. It was from my mouth. Do not take this as a threat, please (even because I said above I'm conformed with any final decision and I gave my word) but putting up a barrier isn't always an effective method of dealing with problems. To prevent analogies with reality (that often causes stressful discussion of politics), I'll give the example of Guthix, who set a barrier thinking that would cut the influence of the other gods on Gielinor, but they continued to have followers there, and the consequences of that can be seen now. As I said, I won't take alternative paths to return, I'm just saying setting a block isn't the best solution for all cases. Do remember how everything started here, with SwaHeart being blocked. Magpie.pngHallowlandtalkWoodcutting-icon.png 02:20, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

Comment:

By what I see in this thread I believe I will remain blocked longer. But please wikians, after the closure of this thread I would really like you to read my statements again. I am being truly sincere here, and I haven't tried to insult anyone, I tried to discuss my return with much respect, and if anyone was offended, I am truly sorry, that wasn't intentional. My intentions are truly good and if you need more time to consider giving me another chance, I understand that, and I will wait. I have said the things I did were really bad and I apologise for everything. I am guilty. But now, after this time I have changed, and I can swear to you I'm not being manipulative and vengeful.

As I said, one of the things I wanted to do was reestablishing the friendship with wikians by returning. If I cannot return, I would like to ask you to add me in game ("Hallowy"), so I could in a way help with image work indirectly and interact with you.

Thank you for all the discussion we had here, I have learned a lot from it. I now withdraw my request to return at this time, to not seem like I'm just trying to get your support in this thread. Farewell wikians. Magpie.pngHallowlandtalkWoodcutting-icon.png 09:43, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Request[edit source]

I'm sorry to put us through this again, but I'd like to discuss the removal of my block. I have been away for all these years, and respected the ban. I'd like to return because looking at my talk page, my profile, my effect on others... It just feels very wrong, like an open scar, I'm not the same person today. I don't want a new beginning, nor status, or friends, I just really need to close this book, and it's unfinished... It's something I regret, and I really just want a last chance to give me a little bit of time, then I'll leave on my own. I sware I won't break a single rule, I won't be provocative in any way, or be annoying. I'm requesting the creation of a thread to discuss about this. I ask you to not look at me as a manipulative, vile person... look at my terms, there is no way I can cause harm...And look at the time it has been... I am so very different, as you may be too... Please give me a chance to speak, before your judgement. Magpie.pngHallowlandtalkWoodcutting-icon.png 12:20, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

Forum has been created at Forum:Hallowland unblock 2. Please make sure to follow it and reply to questions or comments where necessary here, which I or someone else will transfer to the forum. cqm 15:38, 24 Apr 2016 (UTC) (UTC)
Response to The Mol Man:

I have tried to maintain contact with wikians (I even remember asking them to keep our friendship and maintain contact in game right before I was banned), I tried joining the Runescape Wiki clan to give feedback about pages and inform about factual corrections that had to be done. However, when I joined, they asked me who I was, and when I said I was Hallowland, I was removed right away. I couldn't help without breaking rules, and I chose to not evade them. If I recall correctly, you were there when this happened. Also, to say someone has nothing to offer is a bit radical, wouldn't you think? Anyway, I am trying to be unblocked not just to cooperate with the community the way I can, but also to close this book, as I said. I do want to make myself feel better (there's absolutely nothing wrong with that), and I want to do that by helping the community, and bringing light to subjects like this that remain somewhat a bad side/record of the wiki. Giving me a chance would allow me to prove that our policies are effective, and are here to help our members become better editors, better people. As myself, you also have had your problems with our policies, and I am sure the experience we have gone through, or are still going through are important. Liking them or not, it's how we manage to stay in the line, and how order is maintained within. Magpie.pngHallowlandtalkWoodcutting-icon.png 20:37, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

Response to Kane:

First of all, I am aware that being a chat moderator with such a bad conduct in the past would have stained a bit of the wiki's history. Returning and showing that I have grown mature and became a better person with our policies would at least minimize this bad history. Second, I would do what I can to make the wiki a better place. I would probably start welcoming editors, at first, as I am a little rusty given the time I was away. But with babysteps, I would help the wiki with more noticeable things, like imagework and factual corrections. I don't want to edit articles about lore and polemic subjects anymore, to not cause any sort of conflict. I'm not saying I will be the best editor ever from now on, but I will be a good addition to our team, I won't be competing edit numbers, but my edits will be positive thing. In other words, I will be a pacifist, with no intention of grabbing any more tools than I have, contributing to the wiki slowly, but with time, that would be a very positive thing. Magpie.pngHallowlandtalkWoodcutting-icon.png 20:59, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

Response to Saftzie

Yes, we haven't had the opportunity to meet. Of all things I were, I wasn't a troll or a spammer. As you can see in my profile, I contributed much to the wiki's conformation, with over 3,8k edits (though my main contributions were in chat). And even if I didn't, it's not really about measuring work, because from my perspective, it's not the thousands of edits someone makes that actually changes the wiki, but more like small number of edits from everyone. I used that justification because my problem in my past were my decisions, and now I know that thing is no longer a concern. Also, implying I am sociopath without even getting to know me... That sounds a bit loose and inaccurate. The discussion here isn't about letting me return and suspend all rules to my person. Should I ever step out of the line again, consequences will come faster than ever. If I wanted to damage the wiki in any way, it wouldn't be by using 'legal' (following the rules of the wiki) to return. I would build proxies, and that thing I didn't do. I was banned around 3 years ago. Now I ask you...Are you the same person you were 3 years ago? Have you changed? More importantly, have you made mistakes? Magpie.pngHallowlandtalkWoodcutting-icon.png 02:32, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Response to Haidro:

That wasn't my only point. You should take time to analyse things with more caution, please read my messages above and before. Last thread, I gave up the idea of coming back, because I saw how much misunderstanding people were having, I figured I could wait longer. I hope you see that you aren't trusting me with a nuke bomb button, but only a chance to do volunteer work with the good conduct. I'm not asking you to become my best friend. It's rather frustrating to see how 3 years gone still feels short to some people. Are you aware people in real life could spend fewer years in jail for much more? Honestly, I understand very well I've made mistakes, but having people judge me in such a radical way, makes me feel like a mute person... No matter what I say, I am still doomed. That's not justice, if you ask me. Magpie.pngHallowlandtalkWoodcutting-icon.png 02:45, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Response to Cook:

That's sad to hear. I haven't murdered someone. My mistake isn't irreparable, and I am doing everything coherently, following all the terms of the wiki, not evading your rules... Virtually, you are giving me a death sentence for what I did, and I hope others see that this isn't the way. If I return, I will still be under the effect of the rules, and they will be even more sensitive to me. I won't be unstoppable, and I can't cause any sort of harm the wiki can't easily repair with a single touch. Of all the things I know, I am sure that you, like everyone also commited rather big mistakes in the past. But, hopefully, they weren't the cause of condemnation, they are there to teach you how to make things right. Seeing how important you are in the wiki, and how much contribution you've made, you clearly made large mistakes to become the remarkable person you are today. Magpie.pngHallowlandtalkWoodcutting-icon.png 02:56, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Response to Haidro:

What is there to respond to people that supported me? It would flood the forum, and if the consensus allows me to return, I'll have my time thanking them in their talk pages. I am replying to people opposing the situation in order to convince them otherwise, because this forum is about this. It's a forum for discussion about the block. I'm not replying desperately, if I were, I would be either flaming or incoherent, both are not the case. My intention was made clear in the opening of this thread. Those are just the headlines, as I said, I will be here discussing this through the time available. I accept that you oppose me, but at least don't make it sound like I am some sort of witch. I am a person, a very healthy one. Magpie.pngHallowlandtalkWoodcutting-icon.png 03:31, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Response to Saftzie:

Well, how should I discuss about it then? I need to use words, and they're not magical at all. I am indeed looking for a new chance, and I will be here to discuss all about it. You apparently look for some sort of frame to characterize me as a sociopath, but take a second look at what you've been saying... 'You're using words and you want to be unblocked, much like a sociopath'. I am certain that healthy people also need to make use of words, and that not everybody facing complications with the wiki rules are a sociopath, nor people looking for new chances in life. And discussions are not manipulation. In no moment I have denied what I have done, I am asking for a new chance, after 3 years away. That's truth. But I see your point that you are concerned about the stability and security of the wiki. I cannot cause that sort of impact. If this thread gives me a new chance, there should lots of people following what I do closely, and if there will be a moment I step out of the line (I promise you that won't happen), even slightly, I would be dealt with immediately, and with fierce, because I know how this wiki is well administrated, and you do too. The rules aren't being removed, this forum is legal, in wiki terms, and I will still have to follow them if I am unblocked. Magpie.pngHallowlandtalkWoodcutting-icon.png 03:48, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Response to Sacre Fi:

I know, and you are very correct, you comment represents everything I believe about this. Which is why I will leave a while after I'm unblocked (hopefully, if it happens)... I will even disable my account. However, for my life, I feel like my last impression here should be positive... It haunts me a little bit, how this 'ended'. Look at my talk page, the very structure of it. It ashames me. I was damaged, and stupid. I really want to move on, but to do it, I need to make my last moments here to be positive, and in order to do that, I have to go through this horrible experience of creating forums (I really dislike doing this). This is as honest as I can get, this comment. Please, wikians, let me return, if only for a couple months, only to close this adequately. I need this to move on, and I promise I won't ever look back once I do. I just want to move on, but I can't ignore this chapter the way it was left. It's so frustrating. Magpie.pngHallowlandtalkWoodcutting-icon.png 03:58, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Response to Cook:

Cook, in my response to Kane, I made it clear that I want to help the wiki. I want to have a positive effect here. Though, even if I propose to help your project (I would actually help), you would likely second guess me and say it was only desperation to change your opinion. So I take your opinion (not that it changes anything if I don't), but, keeping this clear, I would like you to stop vilifying me. I'm not a monster. You have the right to be conservative and try to keep me from being unblocked, everyone has to learn to live with divergent opinions, but please, I'm a normal, healthy, even good person. Magpie.pngHallowlandtalkWoodcutting-icon.png 04:11, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Subsection[edit source]

Response to Haidro:

Most words in this thread should come from me, as it's about me showing my side. And you should find in many answers reasons that benefit the wiki as a whole. My answers have been too elaborate and they flood the thread, but that's a good thing for those interested in looking into the situation they're unfamiliar to. I noticed 'move on' might sound a bit repetitive in this thread, though I have to say, I am not the only one that needs to move on. I have made mistakes in the past and it's time people could let some of their rancour go, I am a different, helpful person. My request here is to first contribute to the wiki. And reading everything I've said, that should be very evident. But one can be selective and pick lines where I only mention myself. It's about opinion, I've heard that I should tell more about myself, my intentions in the wiki, my actions to help the wiki while I was gone... It varies from person to person, so I'm trying to show a balanced view that might clarify all sides. Magpie.pngHallowlandtalkWoodcutting-icon.png 10:33, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Response to Deltaslug:

Hello. Well I don't want to return to the wiki chat at all, I just want the ability to edit again. Should you wish, you could keep me from entering our chat. You've said well, there's no necessity to involve myself with that, specially with some people being unconfortable with my presence, so I respect that. Magpie.pngHallowlandtalkWoodcutting-icon.png 11:57, April 25, 2016 (UTC)
Response to The Mol Man in Sacre Fi's Comment:

Sigh. Mol. Do you actually believe everyone will stay in our wiki forever? I believe everyone will have to leave eventually, and when I say I intend to leave a while after my unblocking, it's because I know how much people like you would not enjoy my presence. I really do want to stay perhaps less than yourself, but this is not selfishness, it's about a better space for all, the contrary of your definition. And this whole effort isn't to leave with a higher ego, look at all I'm going through and tell me again how this is benefitting my "nascissism". I am nearly begging for a new chance here. This is to leave positiveness for the wiki. With edits, with good conduct and work. I am aware though through this thread it won't truly matter what I say to you because you seemingly will always see me in the same light due to the bad history we have between ourselves, but this happened three years ago, and you also have your problems with the rules and you were given a chance. Your argument that the situations are much different is rather loose. I see that we both want to contribute to the wiki, and we both deserve a new chance, the only difference is that you've already had yours. Magpie.pngHallowlandtalkWoodcutting-icon.png 15:59, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Note to wikians (this part is not to be transferred to the forum): please transfer my answers to the forum, they are remaining here a bit long and people would likely think their questions aren't being answered). Thank you. Magpie.pngHallowlandtalkWoodcutting-icon.png 15:21, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

Comment (unblock forum addition)[edit source]

I know I've been commenting this thread a bit too much, but I'll place this comment here, and it's something that comes from my heart, with no desire to twist words, make anyone feel guilty, no desire to sound like Dumbledore, or anything negative or narcissistic. It's something that comes from me, with a message to the wiki, all of it. Please, for this comment alone, let go of any rancour you have about me, you can take it back after you read this, but please, read with an open mind. This comment isn't about getting your support (soon you will see that). It's rather long, I ask you for your patience.

In this thread, I have been sincere in all comments. They were true in all aspects (at least from my perspective, from my mind, my memory). I commented in my talk page, trying to make a sincere comment too, but I didn't think that it would become the headline of this forum. If I did, I would've been clearer, and more elaborated. It was me justifying why I was requesting it, just that, I wanted something spontaneous and honest. Anyway, this isn't what the comment is about.

Despite being opposed by so many, and many in my place would say it is unfair right away, but I am, or was too a wikian, and I understand how we, wikians, think. You would say all of it was just fake faces, but the wiki was a place very special to me, and it wasn't about Ansela that I stayed. She was just the reason I created a new account to evade the ban, afterall, I was mad at the time, but continuing... That was Hairr, Joey, Dogfoger, Haidro, EpicPancakes, most other admins, The Mol Man (at the time he was very friendly :P), CoffeeMug, and many other people, I took them as friends, they were the reason. The wiki felt like home to me, I had really cool friends to talk to (with my horrible, broken english), I had a place I felt important in, it was about the game I loved with a burning passion, and being here was important to me perhaps even more than my own real recreation.

When I became a mod, in reality I used to show off whenever someone mentioned wikipedia, or anything wiki related. "Hey, I'm a wiki mod, by the way, I know all about it!". To me that was so special, yet to the person listening to me, they would just see it as something completely meaningless; regardless, I understood why they didn't care. Anyway, my point is, to us, wikians, the wiki feels like a very special place, some of us compete contribution numbers, imagework, lore knowledge, and the most varied things. We know how cool 'sysop', 'mod', and a fucking 'bureaucrat' sounds like... We don't see the wiki as just a place built on volunteer work, it feels special, like home. And that is why I completely understand most of your opposition to my unblocking. I was once an experienced wikian too. Seeing someone that sounds broken, sounds suspicious due to their bad marks, that hurt the wiki before...trying to return... That's repulsive. Maybe even myself would oppose my own return if I were in your position. So yes, I understand completely the way you feel about me, your position about me, even though I am telling the truth. It's ok to me. Truly.

All I wanted to do after my unblock was helping the wiki, editing again, feeling good here again, welcoming people as I used to do, being a good wikian. Yes, that matters to me, leaving this place with last moments of positivity, and constructiveness. I like to, at least nowadays, to leave a place with the feeling it was left better than it was. I also had much "nostalgia" about this, though this isn't the exact term that describes it, portuguese speakers call it "saudade" (there's an article in wikipedia about it, in english). It's basically the feeling of strong affection for a place/someone long gone, but not with the wish to relive things again, but to visit, to experience, live and see with your current perception. That's what I had in mind. I am emotionally healthy to leave this wiki forever, and I wanted to do it more than ever, I just opened this forum because I wondered if I could spend a short time living all of it as a wikian again, in the wiki's legal terms, and as myself. I wanted to, after that, leave forever. I'm not a sociopath, psychopath, or any 'path' you could possibly put at the end of a term, I feel a bit sad that this is the impression I gave to you in my moments of instability in the past, but again I understand why you interpreted that. I'm a really healthy (body and mind) person, nowadays I am in college, I have tons of friends, I'm better than ever...life has been very kind to me since the end of high school. I know hearing all of this personal bullshit is meaningless to some of you, but I think a small number of people would be interested in knowing. Anyway. Not everything we get in life is affirmative, and I understand that in this case the forum would very likely end in rejection. I know closing 2 days after opening it is a bit too premature, but I don't want to spend my days as a wikian knowing many individuals would be disgusted by it. So I am closing this thread.

This is the part where I sound like Dumbledore, sorry if it's annoying (I know I said I didn't want to sound like him...and I don't, it's a consequence unfortunately): Despite not being able to return and edit, I could experience part of what it's like to be a wikian again through this very thread, saw you guys after so long... It was very nice. I am surprised to see how Kane and Ansela have become different (at least apparently), I leave with at least an impression that they are much nicer, and that feels very good. Not because they supported me, but because they got over the bad history we have between ourselves, like I did. It's a bit sad for me to see that Mol and Haidro have become a bit bitter, but from my time as a wikian, and the time we spent in private chats, I know they are very good people beyond their shells. About Cäm I'd like to thank him for keeping contact with me in Runescape after I was banned. He has a great soul. I couldn't hear other familiar people give their opinion (well Cook did, but we were never really that close, his immense number of edits used to frighten me a bit in the past, lol), but this is enough good. Please don't feel guilty if this comment somehow changed your mind and your opinion on me. Again, I am entirely ok. If it didn't change anything, well, I am leaving and giving my last words, to think I'm manipulating even now would have me think you're psychotic this time haha ;P. Thank you, guys. Despite the outcome, all my time in the wiki somehow contributed to what I am today, which I am proud of. I am going to keep my account for a few more days, following my talk page, then I'll completely disable it through wiki mechanisms, and I won't be interacting with the Runescape Wiki in any sort of way. This is a real closure. I won't be bothering you guys in game as well, in your clan, I have also left the game for good (that was months ago). Goodbye guys, I wish you all possible luck in the wiki (I actually feel this affection to you guys, it's not me being polite or anything false)! Magpie.pngHallowlandtalkWoodcutting-icon.png 00:39, April 27, 2016 (UTC)