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Pickpocketing[edit source],16,877,65486959

Isn’t pickpocketing XP too lucrative? – It may feel that way, but we don’t believe that is the case. It just feels less infuriating, less intensive. It genuinely is well balanced to dwarven traders.

MolMan 18:40, September 30, 2014 (UTC)

Did you read my link? It seems there is a noticeable difference from the previous day. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 19:03, September 30, 2014 (UTC)
It was 4 people reporting bad luck. One of them even said it probably wasn't significant. I experienced the same kind of badluck before the update. There's no strong evidence a change actually happened. MolMan 19:05, September 30, 2014 (UTC)
How about my own testimony? I too have noticed a significant drop in number of successful pickpockets as of yesterday. Before Monday's update I could pickpocket Crwys elves for a matter of minutes and get lots of seeds/compost/etc in my inventory. Yesterday I noticed that this is no longer the case. Consistently, over multiple pickpocketing runs, I've gotten kicked out after 50 successful pickpockets at best, sometimes as low as 20-30. Sometimes they immediately catch me when I click on them. With consistency like this it is not a matter of luck, but a matter of the game being changed. I don't see how you can throw away the testimony of myself plus the folks over on reddit and somehow claim there's no evidence of a change. If several different people are telling you something, shouldn't you listen? --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 19:11, September 30, 2014 (UTC)
No, not really. That's called confirmation bias. While it may not be the strongest argument, that post has a low score. That means people ignored it, didn't notice it, or something else that suggests that more people are not having this problem than there are people who are. I even headed there myself, and lasted exactly as long as I expected to. I even went so far as to ask a number of other people who I knew were thieving in elf city. Nothing. MolMan 19:18, September 30, 2014 (UTC)
No, it's not a strong argument. There could be any number of reasons why that post in particular did not get a high score, but notice that it wasn't downvoted into the negatives and nobody posted refuting the OP's claim. What's so hard about this? I've definitely noticed a change. Others have definitely noticed a change. You are the only person so far who has claimed there's been no change, and conveniently, you're the one who reverted my edit. I'm thinking a second opinion is necessary here. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 19:24, September 30, 2014 (UTC)
I sort of just said that I asked other people. Or does this court of law dismiss hearsay? MolMan 19:26, September 30, 2014 (UTC)

Your userpage[edit source]

Hi Andorin! I just finished reading your hit piece you left on your user page. While I should start by saying I feel bad that you're still holding onto perceived wrongs from a year ago, I also need to mention that there are multiple factually inaccurate statements in what you wrote.

Particularly, your claim that "nobody objected" to you closing the thread before you closed it, and that "nobody" brought up that a bureaucrat should have closed it, is wrong. The reason I know this is because I personally talked to you privately about it soon after you posted your intention of closing the thread. You even allude to this in your last paragraph (a.k.a. the "Cook is slimy" section). I know Suppa did too.

I also take issue with you claiming that I screwed you over, was dishonest, or distorted what you said. I don't think any of those things are true. Nothing I put on your talk page was, to my knowledge, taken out of context or inaccuate. I had mentioned to you that I thought a bureaucrat should close it, which you scoffed at. You mentioned that you had already written your closure, which we argued about for a short time, but I never got the impression that you changed your mind about it. I also stand by my comment that you had a history of poor judgment on Yew Grove, whether it's the various IRC crusades or the edit spam disaster. Your closure of that thread was in line with the "me versus the community" mentality that I've seen before.

More importantly, I think...nobody was accusing you of having an agenda or acting in bad faith. Everyone just thought it was a really bad closure. When you close a controversial thread like that, you open yourself up to criticism from the community. When a bureaucrat closes an RfA that could go either way, it's normal for him to get some complaints -- just check Caleb's wall after Sentra's RfA, where both you and I criticized the closure. And there's nothing wrong with that! If you can't handle that sort of feedback without quitting and being angry at "the community" a year later, then you shouldn't be closing those types of threads.

You also bring up what happened with Urbancowgurl777's RfA in 2011. You know what? That was a mistake, and I'll readily admit that. It's one of the stupider things I've done in five years here. That being said, when people started complaining to me about it, I didn't ragequit and blame the community for the problems I caused (sound familiar?). I owned up to it, tried to fix the problem (admittedly with mixed success) and mended relationships. Three years on, I feel fairly confident saying you're the only one still upset about it.

Believe it or not, nobody actually hates you. I don't hate you (although some of the adjectives you used weren't exactly nice). You made a bad decision that was not in sync with what the community wanted, which was exacerbated by your pre-closure statement, my conversation with you, and now, your seeming denial that it happened. I still think what I thought then -- you show poor judgment in certain situations and shouldn't be responsible for closing a dramatic thread like that (even ignoring that a bureaucrat should have done it anyway). That doesn't make you a bad person, it just means that there's a certain part of being an administrator that you shouldn't necessarily do. I'm good at small edits and new updates, and bad at anything related to images, Spine's great at images but probably shouldn't be closing any controversial threads, Liquid's good at closing threads and...uhh...doesn't really do anything else. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses that they have to deal with. I wish you would come back because you were extremely good at writing long articles, something that I (and most everyone else) lack. If you want to continue to hate me, that's really your prerogative. ʞooɔ 22:44, October 1, 2014 (UTC)