User:Azaz129/Defining administrators 2010/Role of counter vandalism

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This sub-page will be used for discussion of the role of counter vandalism in relation to administrators.

Counter vandalism is a very important role for administrators. Without it anyone could freely vandalize our wiki which we have all worked so hard to maintain.

Watching the CVU[edit | edit source]

The CVU plays an important part in the role of counter vandalism for administrators because it allows other users that aren't admins to let the wiki's administrators know about any vandalism that has occurred. It speeds up the process and it ensures that anything that an administrator doesn't notice while watching recent changes will be dealt with. Administrators watch over the CVU 24/7 to ensure that any vandalism is dealt with as quickly as possible. This also ensures that anyone wishing to disrupt the wiki will be limited in the amount of disruption they can cause because they won't be able to do much before an administrator sees what's going on and intervenes.

How to determine whether an edit is vandalism or a good faith edit[edit | edit source]

Assuming good faith is crucial when administrators deal with possible vandalism. In order to determine whether or not something is actually vandalism, one must ask themselves if the edit could have been made with good intentions. Even if the edit is poorly worded or doesn't follow the style guide, it is important to determine whether or not the person that made the edit intended to improve or disrupt the wiki. If common sense says that the edit was not made in good faith then the edit is vandalism.

Warning and blocking for vandalism[edit | edit source]

Administrators have to issue warnings and blocks from time to time. If someone is vandalizing then it is important to let them know that their edits are disrupting the wiki and similar edits in the future will lead to a block. If they don't know that they are doing something wrong, there is no way for them to know to stop. They won't always listen, but sometimes a few kids thinking they are having a bit of fun will realize that they should not vandalize the wiki. It is also necessary for administrators to block persistent vandals in order to prevent them from vandalizing and disrupting the wiki any further. It is important to let the person know that they have been blocked so they understand why. This can help to ensure that they will not engage in similar behavior in the future.

Discussion[edit | edit source]

I believe that the CVU is a very useful tool for everyone on the wiki and constant monitoring by our admins is key. As for the other two points, as long as administrators assume good faith, use common sense, and post warnings and block notifications on user/IP talk pages, they are doing exactly what they should be doing to represent the wiki. Andrew talk 20:22, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Well-written, accurate, short, to the point. The CVU thing I kinda disagree with. I mean...23/7 might be more accurate. Or you could say 5x12/7+0.5x12/7. I'm just kidding. You guys do a good job with it. Ocassionally in the wee hours of the morning it isn't checked for a while, but everyone knows that. I was mainly making a joke. So yeah. Look at the first sentence and ignore the rest, including this sentence. That is all, HaloTalk 06:18, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Good speech/paragraph/essay/whatever. I don't want to say what you wrote is wrong, but simply voice my opinion on something. As an administrator, I admit I hardly ever check RS:CVU. To be honest, that tool is becoming unhelpful and unnecessary with the amount and dedication of the current administrative team. As I've said quite a bit, it has come to the case where 5 administrators jump and race to block/warn one vandal, within 30 seconds of him making the vandalising edit. Our administrators scour the RC, looking for vandalism. Other new tools also work a charm, such as the #cvn-wikia-runescape IRC channel, which is becoming quite popular. Although there are many dedicated non-admin RC-patrols, reporting the vandals on the CVU is usually futile, as admins have already dealt with it. Therefore, all the CVU seems to achieve is long lists that admins need to clean out, and ensure that each report has been dealt with, which is another tedious task. This is only personal experience from the times I am online. Everything I said could be completely incorrect most of the time. Chicken7 >talk 07:24, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

I, in turn, disagree with you. Looking at the history of the CVU, you'll find that it's often hours before any administrators check it. I don't know where you get this idea of "five admins pouncing on every vandal", because I don't see it. ʞooɔ 07:38, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
It's hours before the CVU is dealt with because no one can really be bothered resetting the list. 90% of the time, the vandal has been dealt with. If it's been hours, the vandal has stopped, and an admin happens to check, they probably shouldn't block anyway, as the vandal has lost interest, and blocking may be giving them what they want (a reaction). Also, it's hard to see 5 admins pouncing on every vandal, when only one gets to block. But you could be able to see there is an admin who blocks, then another who warns, then another who deals with the CVU, etc. And truly, you just have to go to admin's talk pages, where they receive comments asking how they were so fast in blocking the vandal, or that "they beat them to the punch". Anyway, just my 2c. Chicken7 >talk 12:28, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
I agree with cook, there are times where it an hour before the CVU is cleared and the offender is blocked, if i report someone to the CVU usually it is quite serious and after 5 minutes i have to look somewhere (usually cc or irc) to get an admin to block the person. It may just be the time zone i'm in only has around 5 active admins (that i can quickly think of), but American "prime time" has more of them and therefore more scrolling through the RC and seeing when the CVU is edited.Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 12:34, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
Whether or not an immediate sysop response is elicited depends quite heavily on the time of day. I remember before I was sysopped, sometimes vandals I reported at around 9 or 10 AM would take forever to get blocked - sometimes they would remain in the CVU for over two hours. On the other hand, around dinner time, it really is five sysops pouncing on the vandals. That was back in March and April, but I'm pretty sure the scenario is the same now. --LiquidTalk 15:47, July 18, 2010 (UTC)