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Alignments[edit source]

I'm not so sure we should have "good", "evil" and "neautral" sections. Sure, the obvious evidence points to Saradomin being good and Zamorak and Zaros being evil, but.....we don't actually know the for sure, hmm? There is a lot of mitigating evidence. For example, all the suspicious activities on the part of Saradominists (White Knights intercepting letters for the king of Falador, for example) and the Zamorakians that certainly seem not to be completely evil (What Lies Below), and the apparent complete lack of evidence for Zaros being evil. Thoughts? JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 09:38, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. May be coloured blue in the near future.earth(t)

Please semi-protect this[edit source]

An IP keeps re-deleting the 'False gods' and 'Fremennik Idols' categories without explanation. Can an admin please semi-protect this so the IP does not continue to do this? ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  07:57, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Desert Pantheon[edit source]

I am pretty sure that it's called the 'Menaphite Pantheon', not the Desert Pantheon.

  • The entire desert doesn't worship them, only the Menaphites do.
  • I am not certain on this, as it's been some time since I did the quests, but all ing-ame references refer to the "Menaphite Pantheon" not "Desert Pantheon".
  • It is referred too as such in Armies of Gielinor on Funorb.

Elder Gods[edit source]

Freneskae Creator-God IS not an Elder god, there is no proof on it yet, until there is proof to back it up, it is better if he isn't listed as one, until there is proof. Kinglink15 (talk) 23:40, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

He is. Osborne said so. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 06:28, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Zaros[edit source]

I like the crosses for the gods that are currently dead. But Zaros is an odd one, his body is dead... but his... idk, soul(?) isn't, shouldn't we add a symbol for that too..? . . . Yours, This user admires the Void Knights. Who aim to maintain Gielinor's Equilibrium. Enquidou Talk This user likes to do Quests and genuinely loves the story line; lore is his love! . . 13:49, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

Zaros is very alive, he is just incorporeal. I'd consider that not dead..? Dunno. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 13:56, May 3, 2013 (UTC)
Which is still a problem, allegedly. He needs a body, because that part did die. Do you see what I mean now? -- . . . Yours, This user admires the Void Knights. Who aim to maintain Gielinor's Equilibrium. Enquidou Talk This user likes to do Quests and genuinely loves the story line; lore is his love! . . 14:05, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

I think the difference lies in the fact that Guthix seemed to have chosen a permanent death, or have chosen for his soul to go join the deceased of his native race, or something else to that effect. Zaros, on the other hand, wants to regain control. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 17:02, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Major gods[edit source]

How are Brassica Prime, Tuska and Marimbo major gods? Tuska has never stepped foot on Gielinor,, Brassica Prime was just an april fools joke and he isn't even currently mentioned in the game, and almost nothing is known about Marimbo, as he is only mentioned by two NPCs.

At any rate, they're all pretty minor. I think the "major gods" section should just consist of the eight God Emissary gods, plus Guthix. Adventurer's log Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon.png 08:22, June 22, 2013 (UTC)

Brassica Prime is a god we've actually met in-game and has a decent following. He was an april fools' joke in the 2007 BTS, but he is definitely real as of 2009. Marimbo has a large following of monkeys, statues of him, etc. Heck, he has a town named after him. Also, Osborne said he's going to play a larger role soon. As for Tuska, she's definitely minor. Did I put her at major by accident? ;_; User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 09:36, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
Well, A specific group of monkeys and cabbages do not dictate major followings. I think Major should be reserved the emissary gods, as they're all far more major than Marimbo and Brassica :P. (and Guthix). Adventurer's log Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon.png 10:09, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
I think Marimbo should be moved back to minor, at least for the time being. Anyone want to stop me? Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 17:02, July 16, 2013 (UTC)
Uhm.. maybe... I dislike the distinction between major and minor - it stems from the time when we used to have Saradomin, Zamorak and Guthix (major) and and some insignificant/obscure/less-widely-known ones (like the Fremennik and Karamjan gods, Marimbo, etc.)... and then, later, the other three gods added (Armadyl, Zaros, Bandos) and were slowly moved from minor to major (I was one of the agents in that). But then it changed: younger gods and elder gods (and demi/gods, aka: the desert pantheon gods), now we have god tiers (not fully released; pantheons like desert and Karamja might give problems). I think ultimately the god tiers should be the ending orderning principle - possibly with those crosses/crucifixes for the ones dead (like Skargoroth, Guthix, and the-body-of-,-but-not-the-essence-of Zaros). So for now, I would like to either keep it this way (confused and improper) or get rid of the major/minor distinction in the Younger gods section. . . . Yours, This user admires the Void Knights. Who aim to maintain Gielinor's Equilibrium. Enquidou Talk This user likes to do Quests and genuinely loves the story line; lore is his love! . . 18:09, July 16, 2013 (UTC)
I'd say to leave it as it is for now. Go ahead and move Marimbo if you wish. Mod Osbourne has promised that the tiers of all the gods will be revealed soontm (or Jagex-soon), so once we get those, we should organise the gods by tier, also adding stuff like the Bandos avatar or the Avatar of Destruction to Tier 7. For now, this should suffice. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 18:21, July 16, 2013 (UTC)
But they aren't gods :P. At any rate, I consider the major gods to be the ones with emissaries + Guthix.Adventurer's log Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon.png 12:42, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
OH, and tbh organizing by tier is just needlessly complicating things. (and yeah, we don't know what the tiers for all gods are yet) Adventurer's log Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon.png 12:43, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, but Jagex places them on the god tiers... I don't see why we should not mention them. They have similar (less, but similar) strength to the Desert pantheon - if we place those on. You should come with a better reason than those - imo, obviously ;) . . . Yours, This user admires the Void Knights. Who aim to maintain Gielinor's Equilibrium. Enquidou Talk This user likes to do Quests and genuinely loves the story line; lore is his love! . . 13:13, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
We can't put them in the god infobox because they aren't gods, they're just honourable mentions. The Menaphite minor-deities are an exception, as they're actually stated within the game to be gods, whereas the avatars were just given a god tier to give an idea of the power they have. Anyway, we can mention the tier of the avatars and such on their respective pages, and maybe in the Gods trivia section too. Adventurer's log Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon.png 14:08, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
Seems like a proper compromise to me ;) . . . Yours, This user admires the Void Knights. Who aim to maintain Gielinor's Equilibrium. Enquidou Talk This user likes to do Quests and genuinely loves the story line; lore is his love! . . 14:23, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Icons vs no icons[edit source]

Please discuss it. Small recharge gem.png AnselaJonla Slayer-icon.png 18:33, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

No need; they look appalling. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 18:35, November 28, 2013 (UTC)
I think they'd look fine if they were properly resized. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 18:37, November 28, 2013 (UTC)
The Elidnis one is super long. ɳex undique 18:43, November 28, 2013 (UTC)
That one should be left out if it's decided to use icons. The icons should also be of similar and reasonable sizes. MolMan 18:45, November 28, 2013 (UTC)
Icons are used on many templates. I don't see why we shouldn't do it here. Also, I don't think that Elidnis icon is really her symbol, that's taken from the Tumeken's Dream art, not her actual symbol I think. And her's is super long, if we would use it (if it is her symbol) then maybe a part of it.  . . . Yours, This user admires the Void Knights. Who aim to maintain Gielinor's Equilibrium. Enquidou Talk This user likes to do Quests and genuinely loves the story line; lore is his love! . . 19:08, November 28, 2013 (UTC)
I think that the symbols should be used too and that Elidnis's icon should be included whether fully sized or cut-down. Italay90 (talk) 11:35, November 30, 2013 (UTC)
Or we can cut it so it resembles the symbol of aquarius: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquarius_(astrology).   az talk   11:46, November 30, 2013 (UTC)
I would prefer to use RS icons, since the Aquarius symbol looks similar, why not use the original RS one (if that is in fact the real Elidnis symbol). . . . Yours, This user admires the Void Knights. Who aim to maintain Gielinor's Equilibrium. Enquidou Talk This user likes to do Quests and genuinely loves the story line; lore is his love! . . 12:37, November 30, 2013 (UTC)
Cut the long elidinis icon so it resembles the aquarius icon... keywords: cut and resemble.   az talk   03:09, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Avatars[edit source]

Can we please remove the avatars from the template, since they aren't actually gods, just things on the god tier list? Bandos's avatar is just a goblin being possessed by Bandos, and the Soul Wars avatars are just powerful thingies created by a mortal man. Honestly, I don't think Jagex are considering the Soul Wars avatars to be on the god hierarchy anymore, since they weren't on the list at RuneFest or the one of the official wiki, and we know the list has changed since we first heard of it (Saradomin and Zamorak going from tier 3 to tier 4, for example). Adventurer's log Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon.png 12:45, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

While we're at it, we should remove the *'s denoting a god is part of the Menaphite Pantheon, seems rather unnecessary if you ask me. Adventurer's log Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon.png 12:56, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't we also remove the Kendel then too? I remember Osborne saying the Kendal is a god, while the in-game Kendal isn't a god. On top of that, he's also just a "spirit", right? It's really similar to the T7 desert gods and the avatar of Bandos, who are "are parts of a god, but not actually gods themselves" as Osborne said clearly here.
And about your *-point, why is it unnecessary? They are their own pantheon different from the other gods in many ways, and generally only concerned with their own quarrels. . . . Yours, This user admires the Void Knights. Who aim to maintain Gielinor's Equilibrium. Enquidou Talk This user likes to do Quests and genuinely loves the story line; lore is his love! . . 22:41, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
Forgot this discussion was going on, (well, it isn't anymore, but I'll revive it, yay). The Kendal is explicitly said to be a god and not a spirit, we only meet a man impersonating him during the quest. Anyway, no reason we need the avatars if they aren't actually gods, seeing as this is a template for GODS, not parts of gods, and Echo of Jas was AFAIK never said to be on the tiers of godhood, that's just speculation.Adventurer's log Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon.png 10:09, March 29, 2014 (UTC)
Although I do not have a source.. I clearly remember Osborne saying that there is a real Fremennik god, and that is it not the Kendel, and that the Kendel may not even be a god (NB this isn't the ingame-Kendel but the Kendel that the ingame-Kendel is impersonating). This was after that livesteam you are referring to. So we should remove those four desert gods too, is what you;re saying? I agree on the Echo of Jas thing, that was explicitly said to be a representation of the curse of Jas that or character made him/herself. . . . Yours, This user admires the Void Knights. Who aim to maintain Gielinor's Equilibrium. Enquidou Talk This user likes to do Quests and genuinely loves the story line; lore is his love! . . 11:52, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
He didn't say it's not the Kendal, he said that they were unsure if the Fremennik deities we're were actually gods, but there was one that they were certain is one (Probably V). At any rate, the Kendal is explicitly said ingame to be a god, although it's possible he's a mythical god that doesn't actually exist. Why would we remove the four desert demigods, when they ARE gods with actual followers and stuff and distinct entities from Tumeken. Meanwhile, the Bandos Avatar is just Bandos possessing a goblin high priest, not a god in itself, and we only heard that the Avatars of Creation and Desturction were on the tiers of godhood from Mod Edam around a year ago, and I'm pretty certain that's no longer the case, as they don't meat the current criteria to be T7, as they were not the creations of a god, and they weren't on the God Heirarchy at RuneFest. Adventurer's log Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon.png 12:03, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
I don't see why their absence (@RF) would count as a confirm of denial... Not at all.. Also.. seems they still are seen as such.
Player, Mew4u2: 5)If a tier 7 being cannot be more powerful than the process that created it, and the avatars of Creation and Destruction were both created by Nomad, is he therefore at least a tier 7 being?
Mod Rowley: 5. That's assuming Nomad created them directly, with his own power, of himself, and didn't use the Soul Wars 'machine' (whatever that whole island is; this isn't a lore reveal) to create them for him.
Source I would also like to mention... that besides killing a god, being near and/or using Elder artefacts, there are two other possible ways to ascent: anima mundi/divination, gathering enough mortal souls. I think that should be added to the aricle (gods and ascension t godhood) too, what about you? . . . Yours, This user admires the Void Knights. Who aim to maintain Gielinor's Equilibrium. Enquidou Talk This user likes to do Quests and genuinely loves the story line; lore is his love! . . 08:15, April 18, 2014 (UTC)
We have no evidence that either of those two things have occurred or are even possible. At any rate, can we remove the avatars yet, seeing as they aren't actual gods? Another late response, yay ;_;.Adventurer's log Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon.png 13:51, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry but I think you're way too quick t jump t the conclusion that avatars aren't gods while reflections of gods are gods. I could just as easily say that I don´t think Brassica Prime or Tuska are gods because for me... a gd is a sentient being and beasts aren't sentient, vegetables certainly aren't. Secondly, if the avatars are created by souls (which they were), and also sit n tier 7 of godhood (which they are) then souls can be used to ascend. Unless of course you can explain it away with other data, sources or arguments. Btw, dw about late responses. I can be late too. It's not like you're refusing to comment because it's in your favour not to, unlike Fswe. . . . Yours, This user admires the Void Knights. Who aim to maintain Gielinor's Equilibrium. Enquidou Talk This user likes to do Quests and genuinely loves the story line; lore is his love! . . 08:21, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

Hostilius[edit source]

Mod Jack actually said: "I place Hostilius around Tier 5" and not "MAY HAVE BEEN as powerful as tier 5 gods". He did say his power was not of divine nature (deriving form the elder gods), but since we're working with tiers, here, does that really matter? . . . Yours, This user admires the Void Knights. Who aim to maintain Gielinor's Equilibrium. Enquidou Talk This user likes to do Quests and genuinely loves the story line; lore is his love! . . 15:10, June 9, 2014 (UTC)

Because this is Template:Gods, not Template:Powerful beings. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 15:12, June 9, 2014 (UTC)
I know... well... if we have enough 'powerful' beings we should make the Gods-page a subset to those. For now I will just mention it on the Hostilius age :) . . . Yours, This user admires the Void Knights. Who aim to maintain Gielinor's Equilibrium. Enquidou Talk This user likes to do Quests and genuinely loves the story line; lore is his love! . . 15:22, June 9, 2014 (UTC)
Why? There is no benefit in listing all the creatures that are approximately as powerful as X-tier gods. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 13:44, June 10, 2014 (UTC)
Hostilius is not on the tiers of godhood. Jack said he has power EQUIVALENT to tier 5, not that he is Tier 5. Being as powerful as god does not make one a god. Adventurer's log Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon.png 14:17, June 10, 2014 (UTC)