Talk:TzHaar Fight Cave

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Summoning in the cave?[edit source]

I just saw a video of a guy using a pak yack/ steel titan in the cave... since when can we summon familiars in the cave? -_-

- This was a glitch back in the day

It was not a glitch. They have changed it since then though. 17:33, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

- When summoning was released there was the possibility to take familiars inside. The video you are talking about was done performing a glitch. (The video is mine(Bas)) 14:12, February 27, 2013‎ (UTC)[Bas] aka Lured Yah

Obsolete?[edit source]

Maybe I'm a moron, but... why is this page in the obsolete category? The game existed yesterday, and I'm pretty sure it's still there. - Nubarron, 04:49, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Featured?[edit source]

how in hell did this ever get featured? Its a messGreen partyhat.png Bob2006ty(RUNESTORM333)  talk Green partyhat.png

Its never been featured. Please see this for help on dating your post, or just add 5 tildes after it. Sysop crown.svg Megalodon99 (Talk) score 12:40, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Green partyhat.png Bob2006ty(RUNESTORM333)  talk Green partyhat.png 09:34, 11 May 2007 (UTC) ah ty for showing me that I was wondering how to do it

Waves[edit source]

It is said that a player have to endure 62 waves before the big boss...How do you know the number of waves ? I mean is it shown on the screen like Kill Count from barrows minigame Urssaff 09:51, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Number is from experience by other players and other websites, unfortunately it is not displayed during the game. You just have to keep track of it manually. Chrislee33 06:56, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Now the wave number is shown at the beginning of each wave. Winning444 04:23, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Other website guides[edit source]

Other sites listed here to help improve this article

Chrislee33 07:30, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I only have one concern...[edit source]

Do you lose any of your items if you die in the fight cave? --Arpaleggia 14:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Lol, i just found out you dont by looking on -.-
I am dumb --Arpaleggia 18:51, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Do you have to stand on the east side Italy rock to trap Jad, or can you also trap him on the rock formation on the east sode?Jdogy15 04:33, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Copyright violation[edit source]

{{copyvio|}} Last paragraph of article under Wave Breakdown which was added 21:25, 4 June 2007 by User:Bob2006ty is verbatim from RuneHQ's guide under Guide|Killing Order last updated on Sun, May 13, 2007 on RuneHQ. Christine has already placed notice on User talk:Bob2006ty.

Section already removed at 20:05, 18 July 2007 by .

Copyvio template moved from article page to talk page as copyrighted material has already been removed. RuneScape:Copyrights doesn't have guidelines on where to place it.

The Wave Breakdown comments are not on any of the major fansites

yeah thats cos i wrote the wave breakdown for you guys, I have already eplained a m8 sent me the text, which as i didn't know at the time, was from hq. Green partyhat.png Bob2006ty(RUNESTORM333)  talk Green partyhat.png 11:09, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Images[edit source]

Could ppl place images or add text what the recommended armour / inventory is for lvls 49-, 50-79, 80-109, 110-138? Or something like that?

Thanx Buzz (Talk#P ) 07:23, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Out of date? And a few shortcomings[edit source]

May i know as to WHY this article is outdated? otherwise its safe to just remove the tag

Furthermore, i notice that the article is suffers from lack of info on HOW to deal with the fight ecaves

granted that each player has his own style, and that there is no "best" style for dealing with the caves.....

but still, a few guidelines would help greatly(note meticulous details in the barrows and temple trekking guide)

ofcourse, if there IS a seperate article for dealing with the fight caves, atleast a link has to be placed in the page stating so

File:Void seal.pngFireyfoxImage:Armadyl symbol.PNG|34px 07:40, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

My experiences (and resulting edits)[edit source]

OK, I have now a little bit of experience with this mini-game, so I thought I'd try editing the article a bit. Though article seems a bit of a misnomer here; "(very poor) guide to acquiring the cape" might be a better description. Not that I mind though, after all, that's what I am looking for...

I recently went in to beat wave 31 for my Karamja Diary, and was surprised at how easy it had become for me (having tried 2 or 3 times earlier). I used Fire Wave and Mystic 'armour', which actually worked rather well despite making some mistakes in the beginning, eg not using a safespot. Today I made another (half-hearted) attempt using red d'hide, Rune c'bow with Topaz bolts, later switching to Ruby bolts. My Defence is 74, Magic is 75 and Ranged is 63. Oh and 75 Hitpoints and 61 Prayer. On my Diary raid, I allowed myself to be killed in wave 32, and today I just wasn't trying, so died in wave 21. Prayer potions are a must. If you can avoid making mistakes, food might be optional, though I don't know this yet.

Based on these experiences, I will edit some of the Notes in the Monsters section.    For Camelot!  Zang! talk  My health! 13:37, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I will now also edit the Wave breakdown based on certain assumptions. Remember though that I have never completed wave 32. If someone could edit this section to make the prayer icons smaller, I'd appreciate it.    For Camelot!  Zang! talk  My health! 14:20, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

The Wave breakdown section is just to tell people each monster they will face in each wave, and not where strategies/tips/etc should be placed. However, you're free to add any tips/hints to the other article sections. --Drummer (speak) 19:42, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Cool, I was hoping my Talk parallel to my edit would elicit some feedback. I've lifted my breakdown into a subpage off my userpage for my own use.    For Camelot!  Zang! talk  My health! 20:37, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Training[edit source]

Maybe it could be mentioned that it is possible to train in the Fight CavesDifferent340 04:55, 7 September 2008 (UTC) I believe that whoever put in the experience section implied that you can train here. I agree it is a good place to train to an extent, and perhaps this should be mentioned. i will add to the article as i get more information on the XP gains. --*cubic* 22:04, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Exaggeration?[edit source]

"immensely difficult", "impossible for all but the most versed in combat tactics"... Really, this minigame isn't that hard. Outmanoeuvring the beast in Summer's End is more difficult. Does the article need to sound so grand and foreboding? Fire cape.pngAlex D T 04:19, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I disagree, I got past the beast on my first try, a fire cape took me 5 trys. And I'm pretty sure that is quoted from the game guide. --HaloTalk 18:31, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Incomplete[edit source]

This article has an incomplete section, i.e. the experience by wave section. I suggest that this either be removed entirely or updated. Having failed to achieve 1/3 of the waves, I deem it uneccessary to be on the page, and will only provide confusion. this would be helpful if the total exp was shown, or every wave was completed in terms of the amount of exp given. --*cubic* 17:28, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

References[edit source]

Could someone please add a reference to Post bag 38 for his max hit being 97. The link is I have no idea how to. Bttb333 17:16, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Consistency in order of suggested equipment[edit source]

I appreciate the fact that someone has made the effort to describe recommended setups, but they do confuse me slightly. I am sure that Ranger boots are better than dragon boots, ie best listed first, but later on Black d'hide is listed before Armadyl when I would expect Armadyl to be better. Is the order random? Could someone organise them consistenly? Please? --   For Camelot!  Zang! talk  My health! 08:23, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

image[edit source]

There was an image added to the rewards part of this, and it messes up the writing a little, its got the whole paragraph, then the word 'jad' seperated from it all because of the image. I tried fixing it but i got confused, could someone have a look? TzTok-Gas talk 13:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Imparciality[edit source]

Hold on a bit, shouldn't a wiki be impartial? Instead of showing suggestions and opnions on how to defeat Jad, this article should just state FACTS about the TzHaar Fight Cave. I think that a guide on how to should be either on a separated part of the article or in a complete different one, cause really, this one is quite a mess. Anyway, I'm new around here, so I figured would be better to discuss it before going changing all the text. So? --In Rainbows 12:12, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Slayer Experience[edit source]

The slayer experience needs to be added for the monster's respective pages; apparently Kuradal assigns them. Mage24365 02:44, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Tz-Kek[edit source]

It says in the lv 45's info that the lv 22 ones do have a recoil effect, but in the lv 22's info, it says that they do not. Can someone check this out? --I Fight 329 16:55, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

There is no recoil effect when using melee on the lvl 22's, only the lvl 45 and again, only when using melee. Gentleway 18:25, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Slayer Assignment - Helmet Update[edit source]

I was thinking that perhaps the new full slayer helmet would be ideal for use with the bonus range & melee stats when doing the slayer caves for kuradal's assignment/challenge. I don't have one yet but have a buy order so I can try it when i get it. It would be a major bonus for the equipment. Gentleway 22:40, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Great minds think alike, because I was gonna try that and melee jad when I got a task (range the 360s). It would be pretty sweet. By the way, you forgot to sign your post ;) --HaloTalk 19:13, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
Sorry about that, thanks. Gentleway 22:40, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Yea, I just got offered the task, and I accepted it based on the theory that my full slayer helmet would have it's effect on every Fight Cave creature, if not just on the Jad. However, I can't test it, b/c finishing my slayer assignment before I got to Jad would screw me over - I don't have a fire cape yet. Have there been any discoveries about using the full slayer helm in the fight caves yet? HxC Ferret 05:51, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

I was under the impression that the focus sight and hexcrest do not give bonuses unless the monsters require a slayer lvl

That impression is incorrect. Focus sight and hexcrest grant the bonuses versus any monster that is your Slayer task, just like a black mask. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 06:01, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Melee please?[edit source]

I need a melee guideUlmuchiha 19:59, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Direct Copy[edit source]

This appears to be a direct copy of RuneWiki's Fight Cave guide. Can something be done about it? Jignod 06:27, October 2, 2010 (UTC)Jignod

NOOOOOOO[edit source]

gf 6 hrs of my life:
Dragon claw.png Zezzima Talk Edit # SkillsFile:Turmoil.gif|Yay turmoil! 22:33, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

cool ʇɐusʌʇɐu 05:29, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

One Question[edit source]

Can you see other people in the cave? 04:03, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

No you can't. -Winning444 04:23, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

tokkul reward[edit source]

im suprised they dont have an equation here for the tokkul reward, at the moment from some testing im doing it appears it follows the equation of : 2x^2 + 6x + 4 where x is the wave last completed. also from testing ive discovered that the amount of monsters you kill in a certain wave then leaving does not affect your tokkul reward I.E. you kill wave one then kill one tz kih on wave 2 and leave, you still get same tokkul as wave 1

here is the current list of tokkul/wave i have killed so far:

  1. 12
  2. 24
  3. 40
  4. 60
  5. 84
  6. 112
  7. 144
  8. 180
  9. 220

Masterx3829 17:26, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Waves saved or not?[edit source]

A while a go I started to do it, then I stopped. I was wondering. When I try it again, do I have to start all over again? Meaning, if you want to kill the boss, you have to be online the whole day untill you reach him? Or can you just do 1 wave per day and end up facing the boss? This info would really help :$

Thanks, . . . Yours, This user admires the Void Knights. Who aim to maintain Gielinor's Equilibrium. Enquidou Talk This user likes to do Quests and genuinely loves the story line; lore is his love! . . 22:31, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

You can log out at the end of a wave by clicking the logout button once during a wave. You can log out without saving your progress within the current wave by clicking the log out button twice. Talk to meTHARKONMy hiscores 23:03, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
Sorry? You're saying progress is not saved - ever? Correct? . . . Yours, This user admires the Void Knights. Who aim to maintain Gielinor's Equilibrium. Enquidou Talk This user likes to do Quests and genuinely loves the story line; lore is his love! . . 23:21, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
If you need to log out, some time during the current wave click the logout button twice once. When the wave is over it will save your progress and log you out. If you click the log out button twice during a wave, it logs you out without saving. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 23:23, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
Smile Talk to meTHARKONMy hiscores 12:32, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Just assume it rhymes with PWNED[edit source]

I could go on and on about how I got a map of the fight caves, but my record speaks for itself. JAGZIMA 19:34, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Tokkul-Zo[edit source]

The new Tokkul-Zo gives a combat boost against fight cave creatures, but uses a charge for every hit. Therefore, when should you put the ring on to ensure it still has charges once you get to Jad?  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk).

The fight caves were nerfed, prayer is no longer necessary except vs jad???[edit source]

Nobody has updated this page in a very long time, and the fight caves were nerfed some time ago.  Nobody else has put this in discussion, and the article still says it's required to pray against ket-zeks and xils in the fight cave.  this is completely untrue, the ket-zeks and xils are very weak now. 04:20, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

EoC distractions not nerfed[edit source]

Just did fight caves - twice.  Beat Jad - twice.  Killed no healers, just distracted them - twice.  And they stayed distracted - twice.  Clearly not true that distraction doesn't work.  Maybe someone got unlucky, but I'm chaning the article to say "may not work" instead of "will not work"  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) on 08:21, July 8, 2013.

Auto retaliate[edit source]

I am in the fight caves now and it does not work at all. Can any one confirm this and update the info, because I dont see it any where. 05:21, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

Untitled[edit source]

for ****'s sake really.. how many waves until the jad fight? you guys wrote a guide you know why not include it?????  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) on 23:28, September 15, 2014 (UTC).

How about checking the TzHaar Fight Cave#Monsters_list? It will tell you. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 04:22, September 16, 2014 (UTC)