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Rewards[edit source]

So... what will Jagex have learnt from the first world event, regarding the rewards? The options I see reasonable:

  • Nothing: two versions of all rewards (armour, emotes, titles), which can all be received/bought if you are mad enough.
    • Perhaps they'll add an option to buy both sets of rewards [at another price, or not], without actually having to change sides.
  • While not made impossible, 'balancing' the cost & rate at which points are earned/capped such that it is practically impossible to get both sets of rewards.
  • The rewards are those of the God you are currently aligned with (aka, switch sides and the unlocked emote/title/armour automatically changes; similar to changing gender and the frog prince(ss) outfits).
  • The rewards can be swapped at will (like the (un)hallowed robes; would only work for armour, though, so perhaps both title/emote variants are unlocked when buying them).
    • Or you receive both variants of the armour when buying it as well; though this seems unlikely.

And for some reason I doubt they'll mention this anywhere (explicitly)... I'll append options if I think of any more, but for some reason I fear it'll be either the first or the second option. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 18:24, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

Result? They have not learnt anything... . Same as last time, switching is possible (with the same penalty), further implying you have to switch to buy everything. And apparently they balanced the event with players spending 1-2 hours a day on the event on average ( IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 05:37, December 7, 2013 (UTC)
Whoever wrote this doesn't understand the point of the World Event. It's a WAR between two OPPOSSING sides. You get rewards for fighting for the side YOU PERSONALLY SUPPORT, you're not supposed to get both sets of rewards, you're supposed to choose the side you support in the War.KadotheChameleos (talk) 10:08, December 10, 2013 (UTC)
Maybe consider that not everyone is like you. For some of us, an impuls to be a completionist is stronger than the impuls to join the lore and choose a side (especially so considering a single person's influence is negligible compared to the direction of the community as a whole). And the problem with the rewards is that all of them are always listed. The whole issue wouldn't exist if both versions of the emote/title/armour wouldn't get two separate spaces/entries in the emotes/title list or POH armour case (e.g. (un)hallowed robes are an example of a good solution, even if World event rewards wouldn't be morphable at will). IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 10:22, December 10, 2013 (UTC)
I can agree with that idea, at least. It makes sense for your items to change if you switch sides, but remember that ultimately, completionism may not be possible with the God Wars and choosing sides. Completionism isn't meant to be the point of the new game, and yes it's disappointing, but I've seen people getting very angry at Jagex about this, and it seems rather ridiculous when completionism isn't even the point of the game right now. At the moment, it's all about the war, and each side will likely carry unique rewards that you can't get if you choose another side. That's how it's supposed to be, and some people are getting very aggressive about this. KadotheChameleos (talk) 10:26, December 10, 2013 (UTC)
To be honest, your first response has been more aggressive than me making a point of this... There is a slight difference, though: either completionism is not intended (as you could argue in this case), or it simply is not possible. In the latter case, people like me will have to deal with it (and during BoL that would have been a dilemma as I consider the Zamorak Warpriest armour to look better than the Saradomin variant, but much prefer the Saradomin emotes); in the former case (as is the case now), if there is a way, people who are passionate enough will go for it. From World event 1 to World event 2, Jagex has not chosen either side (make getting everything impossible VS make getting everything a normal option, without destroying the lore aspect); this is my current annoyance. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 10:48, December 10, 2013 (UTC)
Yes, my aggression in my first post was rather unnecessary, but to be honest given how many people I've seen complaining about this, I didn't expect you to be so civil about it. Whenever I see people who care more about completionism than lore, I usually expect them to act in the way that most of them do, like starving wolverines who are being unrelentingly teased by a man with a cut of beef and a fishing rod. I apologise for expecting worse of you, and I completely see your point, I just think Jagex's decision makes sense in this regard and shouldn't really be held against them as harshly as many people do. KadotheChameleos (talk) 11:21, December 10, 2013 (UTC)
Just buy the armour from 1 team and swap. The armour from the other team would be at a reduced price as well:

--Jlun2 (talk) 02:38, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry.. I'm afraid I don't get it :(  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Leon Art (talk) on 10:22, December 18, 2013.
If you have bought armour from one faction, then change factions, the other faction still offers you the reclaim price for the armour pieces you've already bought. In essence this means that buying both sets of armour doesn't cost 200k*2 renown, but only 200k+80k. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 10:35, December 18, 2013 (UTC)
Oooh!! That's rather nice :3 . . . Yours, This user admires the Void Knights. Who aim to maintain Gielinor's Equilibrium. Enquidou Talk This user likes to do Quests and genuinely loves the story line; lore is his love! . . 22:05, December 19, 2013 (UTC)
Hey guys, I just checked, and this still worked for the tier 2 gear. --Jlun2 (talk) 03:12, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

Building Golem or repairing structures[edit source]

Building Golems, or repairing the boundaries..

I do not want to take part in the combat, but I would like to take part in the construction/repairs..

For the life of me, I cannot find any information on where or how to do this.

It is so frustrating.

I would like to see more on this part of the The Bird and The Beast.

So I can participate without the need for combat 14:25, December 11, 2013 (UTC)MollyTercero178.239.208.52 14:25, December 11, 2013 (UTC) 14:24, December 11, 2013 (UTC)Molly Tercero 14:24, December 11, 2013 (UTC)

Is disrupting useful[edit source]

I can't seem to find anywhere in the news article what the point of the disruptor rod is, does it give renown? Talk to meTHARKONSignatures I made 15:32, December 11, 2013 (UTC)

Probably just makes the opponent temporarily stop collecting, thus hampering their cause. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 16:05, December 11, 2013 (UTC)
Which is useful to no-one, well an NPC maybe, but no actual person. So no reason to do so unless you're a mayor asshole. Talk to meTHARKONSignatures I made 04:50, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
It can also be used to disrupt people fighting a caravan. Dragon dagger.png AmoVos 11:45, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Sacred metal fragments and Weapon parts[edit source]

When aiding in the destruction of a convoy, I received the message "The fleeing Armadylean convoy drops some sacred metal fragments." along with 62 Sacred metal fragments. Earlier I got a similar message (but didn't make a note of it) for a weapon override part. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 19:40, December 11, 2013 (UTC)

Another message: "To reward your sabotage of the Armadylean faction's building, Bandos gives you some sacred metal fragments." (for 27 sacred metal fragments, and again for 34 fragments). IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 20:15, December 11, 2013 (UTC)
"You find some sacred metal fragments." (18 of them), after killing a Godless ambusher. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 20:24, December 11, 2013 (UTC)
The same message and 12 fragments for killing an Armadylean ambusher (or was it an Armadylean bodyguard..?). IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 18:59, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
The same message (an 12 fragments) for killing a Bandosian bodyguard. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 10:55, December 14, 2013 (UTC)
11 fragments and the message for killing an NPC during a skirmish (finally a drop...). IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 19:04, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
"You receive some sacred metal fragments, as a reward for helping to fill the Bandos convoy." (for 77 sacred metal fragments). This was AFTER my convoy was destroyed! So you just have to participate, not succeed. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 04:42, December 12, 2013 (UTC)
The same message was received, along with 60 fragments, for a successful convoy. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 06:26, December 12, 2013 (UTC)
"You receive an orkish claw component, as a reward for helping to fill the Bandosian convoy." The convoy failed again. Yes, "Bandosian" this time instead of "Bandos". IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 05:24, December 12, 2013 (UTC)
"Bandos rewards your construction efforts with an orkish throwing axe component." IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 07:22, December 12, 2013 (UTC)
"The fleeing Bandosian convoy drops some sacred metal fragments.", giving me 67 of them after successfully destroying it. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 10:41, December 14, 2013 (UTC)
"Armadyl awards your construction efforts with some sacred metal fragments.", 35 of them. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 10:49, December 14, 2013 (UTC)
"You find an aviansie shield component." for killing a Bandosian ambusher during a skirmish. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 11:03, December 14, 2013 (UTC)
"The fleeing Bandosian convoy drops a stolen aviansie wand component." IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 12:41, December 14, 2013 (UTC)

On another note, it'll be easier to get later in the event: . IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 09:24, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

Quantities[edit source]

I've received as little as 16 fragments and as many as 95 fragments at a single time. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 07:36, December 12, 2013 (UTC)

New lower bound: 12 for killing a Bandosian bodyguard. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 10:55, December 14, 2013 (UTC)
Or well, the 11 I got from a skirmish earlier... *looks up* IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 10:56, December 14, 2013 (UTC)
Might've hit the bottom cap now: 10 from a Bandosian bodyguard. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 11:09, December 14, 2013 (UTC)
I've gotten 98, which is coincidentally the level I have in whatever skill I was using, I don't remember, they're all 98. Talk to meTHARKONSignatures I made 04:55, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

How do I get div xp?[edit source]

Mamabear47 (talk) 23:30, December 11, 2013 (UTC)

By following your own convoy around, and siphoning nodes that appear to fill the energy meter of your convoy. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 03:41, December 12, 2013 (UTC)
I finally found a convoy that actually succeeded in siphoning nodes. I was underwhelmed by the amount of xp. :-( Mamabear47 (talk) 19:18, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

World Event 2: Which God must die?[edit source]

I hope Bandos dies, otherwise there is chaos and war which is terrible. Armadyl shall win!  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) on 17:21, December 12, 2013.

This is Bandos's Personality

  • He is Merciless
  • He cares nothing about others
  • He kills everything that is living!
  • He is a Sadist as everyone knows
  • Finally he's power hungry since he wants the stone of Jas

DO YOU SEE NOW?! Bandos brings war in a same manner as WW2. don't even think there is Chaos and war after he's dead and same goes for Armadyl. I want the game the same as REAL LIFE! No wilderness in lumbridge and everywhere, nothing will be the same as Forinthy! 


Same for Armadyl, there will be Freedom, Justice and Peace, when he lives! 

  • Peace makes feel we live in safety without fear of war or destruction
  • Armadyl was once a pacifist, trying to bargain the gods to live in peace, but never works
  • Armadyl emerges as a brave Phoenix, whom will kill the worst gods in existence whenever neccesary
  • Finally he cares for his own people including other mortals who live in peace
  • Just like the second point, Armadyl is loathed to declare war, but it had to be done on Bandos.

I am with what is good and I am not fully Armadylean, Otherwise I just want the sake of Good in both game and Real life.

You can disagree, but remember how life goes ingame and real life, I am a strictly good person, I have rights to offend evil things. Sorry for all that arguement. I'm a bit of a Pure hearted being.

So feel free to give your honest point of view and delete my claims if need be.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) on 09:19, December 15, 2013.

BANDOS IS A THREAT TO THE WHOLE MULTIVERSE! Don't you say anything about him being a good god and don't claim that Armadyl has power to control a war! This is FREEDOM! Armadyl is controlling people until the war ends. Bandos belongs to a now extinct race of Intelligent beings who value nothing, but that the Strongest who rule and WAR! Bandos killed his friends and Family, Why do the same thing when you're Bandosian, He manipulates and forces power on us to delcare and invoke heavy war in both game and real life. The commanders who are Bandos's most powerful Generals are also the most dangerous, if they think of spilling blood of innocents and their family.

Armadyl values Liberty, Peace, Freedom and Justice and doesn't mean he can control a war, He wants to kill Bandos, but is loath to try until his weapon is filled up rapidly far more than the scarecrow. Armadyl cares and loves his Aviansie far more, but he is also glad to see other supporters of his Ideology and so values Global Safety in the whole Multiverse for peacesake.

I am not a true Armadylean! I am Godless, who sides with the Good gods to destroy and defeat the evil beings first!   Then when the worst of gods is wiped out, an opportunity comes for me and other godless people to finally take on the benevolent gods, both Saradomin and Armadyl and either murder them and exile them. I prefer Armadyl to be exiled than get slain by Bandos or any Destructive gods, who value Chaos and Death.

Please say your opinions carefully, I will argue more if any of you claim something Good about my hated Gods and my prefered gods. May the green philosophy be your dreams.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) on 15:50, December 15, 2013.

I'm pretty sure there will still be chaos and war when Bandos is dead, and there will still be justice and law when Armadyl is dead. They aren't the only gods there, and definitely not the only beings. Talk to meTHARKONSignatures I made 04:59, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
Look, Bandos said it him self, the weaker one must die. Right now, that's looking like it's Bandos. Brandon 09:52, December 15, 2013 (UTC)  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Awobbie (talk) on 09:52, December 15, 2013.
In all honesty both Gods bring up a decent point, Bandos brings up the point of the weak will never be good as the strong unless they train and fight which is true. Armadyl also pushes for justice which is needed in a war. I hate to see people complaing "Oh Armadyl is obviously the better choice he goes for justice and peace" Which isn't exactly true beacause of the power needed to control a war would consist of many gods allying Armadyl to control the war which wouldn't happen. I haven't seen anyone actually fight for the logic behind Bandos but Bandos is somewhat merciless and only cares for the strong. 
Just to make it clear I've also seen people fight for Armadyl being wise and inteligent also, this isn't exactly true. Even though people look at Bandos like "Oh he's a goblin god, he is obviously stupid", he isn't exactly a idiotic goblin but actually apart of exctint inteligent demon race. Armadyl is known to show wisdom while Bandos is known to show stragety. Both the gods are equal to one another but it matters on your point of view. Do you want to try to control a war(Armadyl) or fight the war to finish it(Bandos)? Both ways would bring equal consquences to Gielnor.
NzuXK.png Talk HS[[Special:Chat|<span style="color:black">Chat</span>]] 13:01, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
I am Armadyllian; I support Armadyl in this World Event and am aligned, via Taw'Paak, with Armadyl.  Therefore it follows that I want Armadyl to win, yes?  Yes, but I think that Bandos adds a bit of fun to the game: I think that Jagex should not 'kill off' one of the Gods, but have them 'demoted', like with Zamorak at the end of BoL. 15:55, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
I admire your allegiance, but that's how the world event will end. The defeated God will die, how else do want them demoted. This is what makes this event very serious. Just don't complain if something goes wrong in the end.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) on 16:02, December 15, 2013‎.
Just a thing that doesn't seem to have been considered (I can't hear the audio for the cutscenes, it doesn't load, so maybeI missed some dialogue, so bear that in mind): The reasons for this immediate confict, are that the SOJ will be awarded to the deity (or other being?) that kills the most deities. Well, Bandos is just looking to kill any deity, and sets up a weapon to do so. Realistically, he doesn't stand a chance in RuneScape of being the one with the highest killcount, not when there are warmongering deities like Sara arround who are much, much more powerfull. If Armadyl had left Bandos be, one of the other deities would have wiped him out when they saw he was nearing enough power to be a risk to them.
Bandos wasn't likely to target Armadyl for 2 reasons:
1) He would wish to take out as stong a deity as possible, if he had a charged weapon, this is both true to tactics, and true to his philosophy of the strongest surviving.
2) If he were attacking without a weapon, Armadyl would be a bad target, and he's no idiot in judging power in fights (see his backstory for that; nomatter how much you detest his philosophy, he bided his time, and worked on what he could till he was strong enough to challenge the top. He won't gain Armadyl's followers if he kills Armadyl, so there's no point in removing that figurehead).
O.K. So Armadyl hates war, and he's trying to remove the most likely thing to cause this? No. He knows full well that all the deities are going to be causing as much war as possible over the next period, so targeting a weaker one that will likely get killed anyway is just nonesensicle.
His bid to kill Bandos is still 'fine' with his philosophy, if he'd just been targeting Bandos himself, and had not involved ANY of his followers, and indeed banned/prevented his most fanatical from taking part (he isn't just peace, he is law, so if he says no, then he can enforce that peacably), he hasn't and therefore cannot really be said to care for them. If he couldn't do it alone, then he had 2 options:
1) Do it and die; actaually standing up for his cause and beliefs, and not being hypocritical (he may be doing it for a good end, at least in his eyes, but that DOES NOT change the fact that it falls under the definition of hypocracy, nomatter how much one supports him).
2) Ally with other deities to destroy Bandos.
Does the fact that he is so powerfull and wise, yet still believes death is an appropriate form of justice say anything about him? When he has the power to eternally remove beings from interaction with those to whom they may cause harm, or teach them the errors of their ways, or even (this is a bad thing, but not as bad as killing them) reset them/brainwash/remove their bad tendancies by physically wiping that part of their brainpatterns.
In conclusion, I can see that Armadyl is no better, in outcome (though better in phylosophy) than any of the other deities. Though at least he isn't as much of a complete hypocrite as Saradomin; though that is more deliberate deception, rather than well intentioned hypocracy.
Contraversial (perhaps) statements, but they are not necessarily representitive of what I feel, merely a look into the current matter.
Ohh, and a side-thought: Why, if he was so against bad things, and so much wishing to protect 'lower life' did he not remove Bandos whilst they were bannished? When neither could use others to fight for them and die..
He must have known at certain points that Guthix could not last forever, and if he wished so much to keep bad (as he sees it) in check, then why was he not watching Bandos more carefully, and seeing that he was getting arround the edicts with his avatar? That would have been another reason to get rid of him, even while Guthix was there. Guthix did not wish for things outside the planet, and would not have intervened.. 00:23, December 24, 2013 (UTC) MK

Rewards section[edit source]

This was recently added to the article's reward section:
"There are 6 components of Warpriest armour, 4 weapon overrides, 3 emotes, 4 titles, and 3 abilities that can be bought or unlocked by random."
What does the "or unlocked by random" imply? Are abilities unlockable by simply participating in the world event, or was it meant to include the 2 side-specific titles that are a possible reward for certain actions? IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 06:52, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

Removed that part. Rewritten a bit.   az talk   08:13, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
While we're on about rewording something, one thing bugs me about the (imo) too basic statement about obtaining all rewards (of both factions) being mathematically impossible. The numbers stated are only valid if all rewards are available at any time. Because tiers are locked until a further date, you are more than 29k renown short by the end of the event. (You are done gathering renown for all Tier 1 rewards, as well as the Tier 2 rewards of a certain side, BEFORE Tier 2 is unlocked. Any additional renown earned at this point, until the Tier is unlocked, is wasted). The best scenario I've been able to generate means I'll be 109k renown short at the end of the event (if the event lasts 42 days), or 19k renown short if the event lasts 45 days (a whole number of phases, assuming the phases have a constant length).
However, I fail to reword this in a short, clear paragraph... Is someone else better with words? IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 08:40, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
This is slightly more clean-scrubbing than rewording/correcting than I inteded... Oh well. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 09:19, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

People on the wrong team.[edit source]

Since this is neutral territory I'm wondering if I can figure this out here.

Why are there so many people with Bandosian mindsets on Armadyl's team?

I know I have an Armadylean mindset and I'm on Bandos' team, 'cause I want the rewards of both sides. Wouldn't anyone? Well actually, no, a lot of these people have not switched teams at all. So why did they pick a team they are not believing in? Talk to meTHARKONSignatures I made 04:53, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

/ I am of the godless and support neither but if a side must be chosen let the winner be the god of peace. (guthix ftw) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) on 22:21, December 20,2013 (UTC).

Guthix was not of peace, he was of balance, and for a world without gods (including himself), without mindless worship, without the devastation that wars between divine beings bring. He banished the gods and set his edicts in place not because they were warring, but because they were damaging the beautiful word he'd populated with life, just like Saradomin, Skagaroth and Tuska ravaged his own world in their endless wars. Small recharge gem.png AnselaJonla Slayer-icon.png 22:27, December 20, 2013 (UTC)
Peace ensued >_> Temujin 11:36, December 21, 2013 (UTC)
I think what the Godless supporter was saying wasn't that Guthix was God of Peace. He was saying if any god had to win this fight, let it be the God of Peace (referring to Armadyl), then simply wrote "(guthix ftw)." I agree though, I don't want either to die really. Since one must die, let it be the God of War, Bandos. Though, hypocritically, I am fighting for Bandos, I am doing so for the gear. After New Years, I will switch sides to Armadyl. 
Я  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) on 13:13, December 24, 2013.
Because some people are absolute sadists who only wish to spread strife and misery because ruining other people's gameplay experience turns them on. Or maybe I'm just unfortunate enough to continuously encounter those types of players and everyone else only encounter those "socially insecure" cliche bullies. --Jlun2 (talk) 23:42, December 20, 2013 (UTC)

Title[edit source]

Also I've seen people with the title '-of Armadyl' with the Bandos symbol above their heads!  This just doesn't make sense to me, but I suppose they might want both rewards. 11:18, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

People just tend to pick the winning time, or just what they feel like. Not many people actually consider the God's philosophies. Dragon dagger.png AmoVos 11:47, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
"of Armadyl" is a God Emissaries title, and unrelated to this world event. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 12:04, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
Maybe not, but I find it strange that someone who supports Armadyl ( or just saw Taw'Paak, thought she was cool and decided to go with Armadyl from that) would go against him.  I suppose most people ignore the God's philosophies, but why not become aligned with Bandos if you support him in the world event.  Also in WE1, I saw people 'of Armadyl' ( the God of justice, law and peace) supporting Zamorak ( the God of chaos)!
I think hardly anyone actually reads the philosophies when choosing a God Emissary. 15:46, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Event Calendar[edit source]

The content in this section is an estimation, not a proven fact. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 06:40, December 16, 2013 (UTC)
Sun Mon Tue Wed Thur Fri Sat
Dec 11
Phase 1
15 16 17
Phase 2
18 19 20 21
22 23
Phase 3
24 25 26 27 28
Phase 4
30 31 1 2 3 4
Phase 5
5 6 7 8 9 10
Phase 6
12 13 14 15 16
Phase 7
17 18
19 20 21 Jan

Tier 3 unlocks 1 week before the end. Side switchers need to plan well for rewards. lol 05:08, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

i thought each phase is 5 days each?   az talk   05:29, December 16, 2013 (UTC)
Correct, the above table is wrong simply for that fact: each phase lasts 5 days. Also, we have no hard confirmation on the length of the event. 6 weeks would be 42 days; however if we count whole phases, it's more likely 40 or 45 days. 45 days (9 phases) would make the most sense, as that implies Tier 3 would be unlocked for three whole phases, equalling Tiers 1 and 2. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 06:40, December 16, 2013 (UTC)
I don't understand. The update comes out on 11/12. Why do you count 12/12 as first day? Mod Moltare has mentioned in BTS video 82, duration is 6 weeks. If it is really 5 days per phase, 2 days out of 42 are counted as phase 9? 13:15, December 16, 2013 (UTC) Let's wait until 2nd vote ends on 12/20 or 12/21. 13:21, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

Event Table[edit source]

Was looking over on the Jagex wiki and came across a calender template used for BatB (World Event 2). The link to it is here:

It points out that Phase 3 (21 December) opens Tier 2's stores on both sides, while Tier 3 is opened on Phase 5 and that the event ends on 20 January 2014. Factoring in the amount of time it would take to get one side's rewards it will be possible to get both sides rewards by the time the event ends. pjJ4pBM.png Abyssal vine whip.png 16:50, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

Possible? Only if you hunt the Alchemist at least a few times... Unless getting reclaim prices still after switching was intended, and reduces the requirement by enough, but I'm not sure about that (yet). IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 17:06, December 16, 2013 (UTC)
If you switch side on 12/31, you can get 20*30k = 600k renowns. 200k armour + 228k emotes + 135k titles = 563k. You still have 37k for experience lamps. Since the calendar is split half at 12/31, it is possible to get all rewards on both sides. Xdragonaite (talk) 14:28, December 19, 2013 (UTC)

Turning off PK == more Con XP[edit source]

Turning off PK == 5 renown + 10 XP Turning on PK == 10 renown + 15 XP

That means turning off PK would be infact better if you want free construction xp--Jlun2 (talk) 02:30, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

Actually it's 5 renown:10xp and 10 renown:13.3xp. Having pvp on only boosts xp by 33% Law rune.png Samberen Nature rune.png 23:52, December 20, 2013 (UTC)

Poison[edit source]

I was attacking a Bandosian caravan, and when I got there there was 1 bodyguard left.  I killed him, but then green damage icons- I think it was poison- started appearing over my head.  I turned on the prayerRapid Heal and when my health got to 0, nothing happened.  I didn't die, and my health bar above was fully red.  I tried to teleport using my token, clan vexilium and home teleport but  nothing happened.  I stepped out of the PvP zone and I started healing and could teleport.  The article under random events in this page said bodyguards could use posion but only on P2P worlds.  I wasn't on a P2P world, so what was happening? 17:09, December 19, 2013 (UTC)

Sounds like the Poison gas random rather than an NPC poison. The event can happen on both P2P and F2P. Not sure why you ended up at 0 LP without dying though. Law rune.png Samberen Nature rune.png 23:56, December 20, 2013 (UTC)

Personal ambushes[edit source]

I got 100 renown and 17 frags (the latter as a drop) from killing my personal ambush. (This was inside a world event area with PvP off). IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 05:51, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

I received 100 renown, lost 100 energy, gained no experience, and no sacred metal. Temujin 11:38, December 21, 2013 (UTC)
It is also possible to attack someone else's ambush. You'll receive renown for the kill, and possibly sacred metal fragments. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 06:41, December 22, 2013 (UTC)

PvP Scaling?[edit source]

It says on this Wiki that PvP scales, but I have not experienced this. The Runescape official Wiki says that if you only claim a skull and renown if you are no more than 10 levels higher than your opponent.

As a side note, ambushers, guards, and other NPCs do scale from what I've seen. Someone should help confirm this data. ЯP 10:52, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

PvP scaling is unrelated to getting a skull or not (and unrelated to the fact that World Event NPCs scale to the player who first attacked them). The scaling implies that when a higher level attacks a lower level, their damage and accuracy is reduced. Similarly, when a lower-levelled player attacks a high level, their damage and accuracy will be increased. This is invisible, though, not like a potion. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 10:56, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I took another look at it, could it be possibly that I'm level 70 running around with a Maple Shortbow and Bandos Warpriest armor? The fact that my gear isn't that great makes easier to die and harder to give damage?
ЯP68.102.22.181 11:34, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

Golem Renown and Shards?[edit source]

Has anyone actually tried killing the Golem and seeing how much renown they earn and seeing if they get shards?

Personal experience: - Yes they are tough. Hits are capped in the 100-200 range. And with 125k LP, that's a lot of hits to kill. - They deal out lots of damage too. Even when you wear good armor.

Renown Earned I helped in killing 1, earned 5411 renown at the time (which was the distance to capping).--Deltaslug (talk) 14:24, December 26, 2013 (UTC)

You gain 10k renown for participating in a golem kill. Infamybandit (talk) 23:51, January 13, 2014 (UTC)infamybandit

Divination random event[edit source]

After having joined a faction in World Event 2, you can get the following message in your chatbox (in plain white text), randomly (uncommonly to rarely) when poking a wisp:
"Bandos rewards your loyalty! You have an increased chance to find super memories for the next three minutes."
I gathered some data regarding the ratio of normal to enchriched memories, and how this is affected by this 'random event'. The data was gathered with Divination 97, at the Incandescent wisps. In 500 memories gathered under normal circumstances, 26.8% were enriched memories. Out of 500 memories gathered while the boost was active, 39.6% were enriched. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 15:30, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

The event has ended, but I am still receiving these random events. Oversight or small bonus for those who joined the world event? IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 16:53, January 21, 2014 (UTC)

Caravans[edit source]

The latest vote was for bigger or stronger caravans.  It said that 'one caravan unit in your faction's convoy will be exchanged for an upgraded version with 40% extra capacity/ 50% extra life points.'  Because you don't actually attack individual caravans, does this just mean that the overall lifepoints/ capacity of the convoy will be improved, and you will spend longer divining or killing for the convoy to go? 11:40, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

Bonus experience[edit source]

34408 bonus experience at 103 Dungeoneering (from the phasely-vote); I guess like everything it actually stops going up past 98. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 05:25, January 5, 2014 (UTC)

10%[edit source]

Last vote for escalations was for majority bonus or less Godless interference.  When they they say +10% benefit if one faction owns most buildings, would this mean that if it were Armadyl instead of having +40% caravan capacity, it would be +50%, or would it be 10% of 40%, i.e. 44%.  Seems complicated, but it wil make sense. 

Also, do you have to have a majority of buildings across all worlds, or just on World X, and World X will get bonus?  All worlds majority and all worlds bonus, or one world, and that world gets it? 10:14, January 6, 2014 (UTC)

Is there a way to collect renown above the cap?[edit source]

Is there another way to get more points then capping? I caped every day so far without fail even contributed for hours on end after capping on numerous occasions. I didn't get any additonal above my cap for Pking, PVM, building, collecting devine energy, constructing golems, voting or particcpating in the random events. I don't see any other activites that I could contribute to yet there are people with 4 times as much renown as I have listed on the highscores how is that even possible to have 4 times the max cap?  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) on 04:06, January 13, 2014.

Is there a way to get renown once your energy is at 0? No. Can you recover some energy? Yes: the wandering alchemist random event will restore (for members) between 4k and 6k energy. The people on the faction hiscores simply stalk wandering alchemists all day long using an fc. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 05:46, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
Yes this time the high scores are legit unlike the previous world event & the Gilenor games where people explioted bugs to get the rank they got. There's no misterious packyack expliot this time around...  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) on 23:15, January 13, 2014.
Considering those yellow nodes didn't affect one's multiplier, AND were never fixed, even through they were around for weeks and several updates, I highly doubt it was an unintentional glitch that was exploited. If Jagex thought it was a major issue, they would even have hotfixed it. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 05:20, January 14, 2014 (UTC)

Phase 9[edit source]

According to the "Bird and the Beast" tab in the Adventures tab in the game, the event is currently in Phase 9 (or a badly-drawn eight). The progress table in the article doesn't reflect this, and still shows Phase 8 as essentially being the end. (I don't want to mess up the table.) Nothing special here. (talk) 02:03, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Table has been fixed.   az talk   03:39, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

Combat monolith status[edit source]


This was taken against a green surface in safemode. At least now there's a pic of it. --Jlun2 (talk) 18:37, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

x4 AA version thanks to User:Battleben --Jlun2 (talk) 01:09, May 12, 2014 (UTC)