Talk:Strong magic potion

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Magic damage percentage increament[edit source]

May I know where did you get your reference from? I have looked all over the place for an official statement but I couldn't find one that says that each level increases only 1% instead of the regular 3%. As such, the information would be commented until a link is provided.

/*Contrary to magic potions outside of Daemonheim, the amount of damage inflicted is increased by 1% per each Magic level, and not 3%.*/


Sorry, it has been tested time and again, the theory that Daemonheim potions boost one's magic damage by 1% per level is not credible. The magic bonus mechanics works just the same in Runescape or in Daemonheim. Fizzyliquid 17:54, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Possible theories about Dungeoneering Magic boost Effects[edit source]

I have found that the magic boost provided by magic potions in Dungeoneering does not increase magical damage by 3% per level - rather, 1.5% per level. I've also seen some confusion with what a multi-level magic boost actually does. The +5 boost from a normal magic potion does not appear to stack cleanly with itself. Rather than giving a 1.15x magical damage boost, it gives a 1.03^5x magical boost - a small difference with such a small boost, but it made the difference between a max of 322 and 324 with Fire Surge (without any other damage boosting equipment.) As I have never seen magical damage that would occur with a 3%-per-level boost, I don't think 3% damage per level is given with Dungeoneering magic boosts. However, when you noted a max of 440 with Fire Surge, an Empowered Fire Staff, and a Strong Magic Potion, I did some calculations and found that, with all unclean stacking and 1.5% magical damage per level boost, Fire Surge could indeed hit 446.89! This would only be, of course, when the magic boost was at its maximum. In the 3% scenario with unclean stacking, even without an empowered Fire Staff, 586.26 damage could be done - obviously impossible.

22:30, April 20, 2011 (UTC) ~~

Capped magic damage[edit source]

Edit: see later response under Photo Proof. Hurricos 19:12, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

Photo Proof[edit source]

Here's the link of me hitting a 321 with Fire Surge with only a +11 magic boost.


http://img163.imageshack.us/i/picture25n.png/


This means that it can't be 1%; even though that's the calculated boost, it's incorrect as magic boost damages are capped.

But, if it is 1.5% per level, your maximum would be 1.165*280*1.1, or 358 (358.82, but hits are always rounded down). If it stacked additively, then the max is 1.265*280=354 (354.2).60.224.17.90 09:45, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
Just doing some quick calculations, and the 1.5% per level theory seems too much, as when it is stacked both multiplactively and additvely with the CCS, I get hits that are a bit too higher than observed (469 and 500).60.224.17.90 09:48, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
Please disregard my previous topic – I forgot to delete it after realizing it was incorrect.
Allow me to clarify: My theory is that the maximum damage boost provided by potions is capped; i.e., even though the damage boost provided by each level boost is 3%, the damage boost provided by potions is cut off at about 24 or 25%. After 8 to 9 levels of boost, the extra levels should not affect the actual maximum damage. The only advantage of a higher level potion is an increase in accuracy and a longer-lasting boost. This would explain all of the trouble with individual calculating the boost of individual levels.
Hurricos 19:10, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
I agree with the capped theory, as I've hit a golden 440 at 123/99 magic and a bolded 435 at 115/99 magic. Bear in mind that this was with a celestial catalytic staff, potted and with fire surge. Assuming it stacks additively, the boost is 27 and 1/7th of a percent, or 27.14129...% If they stack multiplicatively (which seems likely), then the boost is 20.879...%. This is very close to 21%, which is like 7 levels boosted with 3% extra damage per level. So the strong magic potion is like an extreme magic potion, just with the ability to keep the maximum hit for longer, and also increase accuracy dramatically.60.224.17.90 08:32, April 26, 2011 (UTC)
Haha wow that's nice. Finally saw the screenshot that you took and it's cool that you are using a Mac. Anyways, I'm glad you have seen a 440. I didn't know a golden splat means the max. Anyways I can't remember whether the 440s I saw was golden or not because I didn't really bother. Fizzyliquid 23:24, April 26, 2011 (UTC)
The Mac in question died minutes after uploading that photo. :X
Anyways... Hurricos 00:04, April 27, 2011 (UTC)