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Firemaking[edit source]

Just checked that orange spicy stew affects firemaking even though the knowledge base has it listed under Brown. Chrislee33 16:53, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Brown spicy stew does not affect firemaking. Makes sense as firemaking is a manual skill rather than an earth skill. I have submitted this as a KB bug error to RS. Seems all the other fansite guides just got this info from the KB instead of actually using the stew. Chrislee33 23:12, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Skill gain or loss[edit source]

Is the +6 Bonus extremely rare or something? I've gone through over 100 spicy stews with 3 doses of orange spice with the hopes of boosting my 89 construction to 95 for a steel dragon yet each time it never boosts more than 5. Tydude187 02:06, 28 October 2008

1 in 30 chance of getting a +6 boost using a spicy stew. 1 in 10 chance of getting a +5 boost. u must just be unlucky not to have got a +6 boost after 100 stews.--Teblin1 16:49, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
It appears that the +5 boost is quite common but that the +6 boost is so rare that the effort of trying to obtain it is out of all proportion to any benefit it is likely to give. See my comment further down. --Clokwerk o 05:19, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Degrade Time?[edit source]

Can someone please post how long this effect takes to degrade? Does it wear off like a normal boost, one point every few minutes, or does it stop all at once?

Jimindc 18:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

It wears off like a normal boost. 17:29, April 11, 2010 (UTC)Shorty George

The write-up may be wrong: doesn't seem cumulative[edit source]

If you drink a spicy stew to get a +4 bonus, for instance, drinking a 1-spice stew doesn't seem to ever do anything. This write-up implies that the bonuses would stack, rising or falling. They seem to only fall.

Can someone confirm that you can get, say, a +2 bonus from eating a single-spice stew, then raise that to +4 by eating another single-spice stew? That what this article implies. Nerlone 01:16, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

You can't do that, the boost doesn't stack. Btw it's eating not drinking --Prayer-icon.pngTyiloTalkQuest.png 08:55, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
Hi @Nerlone, when I rewrote the article I took great care to explain that rising boosts don't stack. Obviously when you read the article you thought it said exactly the opposite but I can't see what I did wrong. Perhaps other people are being misled too. Can I suggest the best thing is for you to make an edit to the article yourself so that you feel it says rising boosts doesn't stack? Clokwerk o 15:29, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
Hey, I also understood from this article that the boost are cumulative. But I can't fix it, because if the boosts don't stack, then I have no idea what you meant at all when making that table about eating multiple stews. And saying that when new boost added to current boost exceed the maximum boost, it's ignored. Otherwise added. That sounds like describing a cumulative effect to me... --RoSe-BuSTeR 09:48, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
@Clokwerk, I don't know if you made the boost chart example or not, but it bluntly states that the boosts are cumulative.
It seemed reasonably ok to me, but i made a few minor edits to try and make it clearer Henneyj 04:05, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
boosts arent add mutliple spices to the same stew. its really clearly written. and rose, what you just described is it not being cumulative. it says potions are cumulative, not stews. 05:38, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

6 in all skills?[edit source]

Does the +6 affect the skills so they add up to 6 or, for example, 6 go into herblore and 6 go into farming so it's 66/60 for farming and 66/60 for herblore? --Ofgs3 05:51, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

you can have +6 in more than one skill but not from drinking one 3 dose stew. Mojohaza1 11:45, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
I think you can, but it's rare. But hey, getting +6 in óne skill is already rare, so in two skills would be very rare. Miasmic Blitz icon.png Hapi007 Talk! Sign! . 12:10, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Spicy Stew Wearing Off[edit source]

Must you wait for spicy stew to wear off before trying another dose?


How rare is the +6 boost?[edit source]

I'm currently at 457 stews used and 29 +5 boosts, but still no +6 boost. At least not in the skill I want, I did get a +6 boost in runecrafting but none in smithing yet. Am I doing something wrong or am I just really unlucky?--[dj] 19:13, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Each dose of spicy stew has 5 possible outcomes: -2, -1, +0, +1, and +2. As such there's a chance of one dose to give you +2. The chances of all 3 doses giving you +2 (+6 total) are . That doesn't mean however that after 125 tries you're guaranteed a +6 boost. Far from it actually. The point is, I think your time would be better spent getting one more level and making use of a +5 boost. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 19:31, October 24, 2009 (UTC)
It appears that the +5 boost is quite common but that the +6 boost is so rare that the effort of trying to obtain it is out of all proportion to any benefit it is likely to give. See my comment further down. --Clokwerk o 05:19, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

+4 boost[edit source]

If i need a +4 boost, do u reccomend using 3 spicy stews or 2 spice stews?  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Esimene (talk) on 06:57, December 17, 2009.

i recommend using just 2 Fruit.Smoothie 20:48, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
Going by the figures i've just posted, definitely 3 doses. With 3 doses you have a 2/11 chance, so on average you'll need 16.5 doses to get your boost. With 2 doses you have a 1/9 chance, so on average you'll need 18 doses, which is slightly more expensive. But as well as that, the 3-dose stew has a higher success rate per stew which means lower volatility, i.e. less risk, what you probably care about is not how many +4s you get, but whether you get any +4s, and with the safer 3-dose option your chance of drawing a big fat zero is less. Finally, this may or may not matter to you depending on why you want the stew, but with the 3-dose option there is a 50-50 chance that when you get your +4 it will actually be a +5, which means that even if you only needed +4 you will have that +4 for two minutes instead of one as your skill level decays back to normal. --Clokwerk o 05:26, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

+5 Herblore[edit source]

Can a stew be used to get from 80 to 85 herblore and quickly make some super anti fires? I think it's possible, but do you need 85 herblore to use the potion or just make it?

A stew spiced with Brown spice can temporary boots/lower your Herblore up to 6 levels FredeTalk 18:47, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

+3 boost[edit source]

After crunching some numbers, i came to the conclusion that a +3 boost is twice as common in a 3 dose stew as in a 2 dose stew. It might be worth it to mention this. This is because in a 2 dose you have 3/25 posibilities to get +3 (also including +4 thus) and in a 3 dose stew this is 20/125, which is higher.

+5 and +4 boost probabilities[edit source]

what is the probability of reciving a +5 or +4 boost in a skill if 3 doses of stew are used?

+6 boost is rare or nonexistent[edit source]

I've just given this page a big overhaul, but the most important thing I've done is to correct the probabilities of each boost, especially the one people care about the most - the +6 boost! I noticed that for some reason, the page just assumes the boost for 3-dose stew is the sum of three separate +2 to -2 boosts, but I knew otherwise as I'd tested this with 200 trials in 2007. I ran another big test today with 125 trials and got just the same results as last time, so nothing's changed. I want to post my results so other people can agree or disagree with the pretty dramatic change I've made and use or pick holes in my figures if they want. It's important, because the corrected figures show that collecting spices is a lot more worthwhile than previously thought. I have a total of 225 trials of 3-dose stew based on a +0 starting point. Note the phenomenon I mentioned in the article about how any result that would have taken you over the max boost the stew can give is replaced with a nil boost? Because of this, any trial with a starting point higher than +0 boost will give biased results. So I only include the results starting at +0. From -6 to +6, the frequencies of each of the 13 expected outcomes were: 0, 22, 16, 18, 25, 20, 35, 14, 16, 15, 17, 27, 0. I think it's pretty obvious from this that there is no +6 or -6 boost. I note that someone above did say he got a +6 out of 457 stews (457 stews meaning up to 2700 samples, if a stew can affect 6 skills?) I assume he means he only saw a single +6. It seems odd to me when the range is obvioously -5 to +5, that a single +6 would appear out of nowhere, but I can't explain this single +6 except that I would ask the guy (nicely!) if he is sure whether he definitely saw it. However perhaps there's another explanation: Looking at those results, the -5, 0 and +5 seem significantly more common than the others. It would need a much bigger sample to verify, but I wonder if there is some rounding, overflow or other artefact in JaGEx's formula for the stew boost that is causing half of the +6 and -6 results to be converted to +5 and -5, and the rest converted to zero? Just an idea... --Clokwerk o 05:53, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

I can confirm that i have had a 6+ boost on multiple occasions before to boost construction,So i can confirm it is possible for a 6+ boost.Battleben 12:08, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

That's really unexpected, but I'm glad you posted it. I guess we need to ask ourselves what's different about the circumstances you got the boost in, e.g. do you have a very high Construction level perhaps? Can you confirm you definitely saw your skill showing 6 points higher e.g. 80/74 or 73/67 on the skills tab? And roughly how many stews did you have to try to get all these +6 boosts? Clokwerk o 15:34, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

How long ago did you receive the boosts? I used to use them all the time (a couple times a week) for construction. Most of my house is built of +6 bonuses from spicy stews. About 2 years ago, after an update, I was unable to get +6 from spicy stews. I used to get about a 1 in 13 chance (guesstimated) but since the update I have never received a +6. I wrote to jagex about it, but they fobbed me off, clearly thinking I was just someone having trouble getting a +6 after trying 1 or 2 stews. My hundreds of stews experience would beg to differ. If there was a change in the probability, I’d be happy to know about it, but I’ve seen no such announcement, so I believe that someone has missed a +1, a -1 in a formula (I know how easy it is in probability calculations, I do them all the time for my own programs)
I would be very happy if this was returned to the original probability, or if there was some acknowledgment that there has been a deliberate change in the probabilities. Until then, I will be annoyed.

The other thing that bugs me about the stew is the firemaking (and possibly others I haven't tested). Why give us a firemaking boost at all if it doesn't do anything. Try it. Get a firemaking boost from orange stew and try lighting a fire between your normal level and your new one. I have tried the beacons and the new everburning fire from a fairy tale part 3. For some reason, the code always checks your base level, not your modified level. It just doesn't make sense </rant>

Loqk 16:26, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

A trustworthy friend of mine got a +6 boost to herblore this morning. As such I have edited out the bits stating it as impossible. No doubt it is rare but it seems that this article has been largely written by people that think that rare events must happen if they try a couple of hundred times, which just isnt true. PlqX 06:31, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
thanks for the update PlqX. one problem with trying to get accurate information is that mostly people having problems look for and update the pages. I did not claim that several hundred tries must get a rare event, what i said was that it used to be much more common, but, with no warning, suddenly became less common or nonexistent. From my programming experience, losing a number to a new rounding formula is common whereas a smaller percentage chance must be deliberate. most of my house was built with +6 stews, about one +6 every 20 to 40 3 dose stews. since there was no word from jagex, and only one report of a +6 from someone who made the claim without evidence or timing, it seemed most likely that they had been accidentally removed. your report shows that they were deliberately reduced, and probably because people like me were using them so regularly :-). some notice or announcement by jagex would have been nice.Loqk 19:10, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Is +5 more common then+2?[edit source]

I need 65 herblore for the quest "While Guthix Sleeps", and there's been a lot of talk about a +5 boost actually being the most common? So should I get level 63 for a +2 or level 60 for +5?

I think its a general consesus that they're about equal probability. In your case I would suggest that its not so much an either/or situation - if there is any way that you can get your herblore up a few lvls rather than do it from 60 it will be a lot easier for you. Things like penguin points may be useful here. Remember that at 63 the probability of it boosting you to 65 or over is more than at 60, cause you have the probability of it bosting 2 + probability of it boosting 3 + etc, so it makes it a lot harder (and in fact more time consuming) if doing it from 60. Summary: you don't need to get up to 63 but any extra lvls you can manage will make it a lot easier.Henneyj 22:34, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Eating multiple stews[edit source]

"Additionally, limited testing suggests that, unlike the way potions work, if the stew would have boosted a skill beyond the upper limit, then instead of boosting only to the upper limit and stopping there, the stew simply does nothing to that skill."

I have an alternative to this theory. We know that a one-dose stew cannot boost past +2 even with multiple boosts, and maybe the smaller boosts work in a similar way for a 3 dose stew, so a given boost for one stew cannot boost your level past the base level plus that boost. ie, multiple boosts of +1 from a 3 dose stew will not boost past your base level plus one, etc. So in the example in the table, if a +3 boost gives lvl 53, then a boost of +4 would give lvl 54, whereas a +1 boost would have no effect (much in the same way as potions). Here, the only way to reach lvl 55 would be to gain a +5 boost. Sorry if I'm not clear. Henneyj 04:18, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

If I understand correctly, you're saying that if boost is positive then new level = min(old level, base level) + boost? (this is also how potions work, right?) Actually now I'm confused by the above sentence in the article; isn't it saying that if old level + boost is too high (eg 53+4), the stew will do nothing (ie stay at 53)? If so it's inconsistent with the table. Stewbasic 00:55, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

If what the article section "Eating multiple stews" says is true, it is rediculous easy to get +6 boost (if it is possible)[edit source]

It says that if i eat a stew and get +4 boost and then i eat a stew and would have gotten a +2 boost then it will result in a +6 boost in total Prayer-icon.pngTyiloTalkQuest.png 16:05, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Its not easy to get +6 and its a good point you've made. I'm pretty sure that positive boosts do not stack regardless, so the only way to get +6 is with a +6 boosting stew, and the same with any other boost. If your level is already boosted, then the bosst boost from the stew still takes it to whatever level it would do otherwise, unless, the stew boost is lower than the level boost. Henneyj 17:09, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
Changed it Prayer-icon.pngTyiloTalkQuest.png 18:09, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

bonuses on different colours[edit source]

has anyone checked to see if different colours of stew have different chances of a +6? it just occurred to me that they may me calculated independently Loqk 01:24, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Prayer boosting?[edit source]

Knowledge Base lists Prayer as boostable with yellow spice. I don't know when this was updated, but i think it wasn't like this around the time when Summoning was released. Can someone check if Prayer really can be boosted ingame? --BeyPokéDig 17:20, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Some what, managed to get +1 prayer point whilst stew mixing..

'Bout +6 boost wonders..[edit source]

Gl whom ever trying for such, just saying there be hope, surely! ^^ How's so now surely so that i had fancy chances for the 1,6%, even that i needed only +4 for my yet-to-build furnite. Surely took pic over it, but idno should i send it in or whateverelse?..  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) on 19:26, 29 April 2011.

-So seemed not to mention it any simplier, eh? I had +6 boost today, started with 17 stews, got on 9th. needed +4, anywaysies, yeshyesh.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) on 19:33, 29 April 2011.

How can I make my Thieving Level to boost +4?

I've tried using (3) dose of yellow spice into the stew and it only boosts to 65/66 (I need for The Curse Of Arav quest)

  • My Thieving level is 62*

If someone could please tell me what I may be doing wrong?

- Kidz On Didz

I've done at least 50 orange stews,and still no +5 boost that i need for 91 smithing.I've gotten a couple +4 boosts,and i'm starting to think it's faster to get the 350k xp till 87 smithing.When i started trying to get a +5 boost,i didn't think it would be hard becuase i used to boost +5 for herb all the time.What should i do?

Evil Stew of DOOM[edit source]

First and foremost, this aka makes my day. :D However, do people actually call it that? o.O I rarely ever hear talk about it, and everyone I know that does simply calls it spicy stew. KurosakisTwin 21:36, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

Probably players don't, but the game guide does. Stewbasic 17:11, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

Empirical boost distribution[edit source]

My experience has always differed from the (apparently binomial-inspired) distribution of boost claimed in the article, so I performed an experiment. I did 56 1-dose boosts, 56 2-dose boosts, and 112 3-dose boosts and counted the resulting boost amounts. I found the results quite enlightening.

Spice Doses Boost Amount - Frequency of Occurrence
-6 -5 -4 -3 -2 -1 0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6
(56 samples)
- - - - 0
- - - -
(56 samples)
- - 0
- -
(112 samples)

More samples would be better, but the distribution I observe is reasonably flat, with a slight spike at 0 boost, not the binomial suggestion in the article currently. Also ±2 does not occur with one dose of spice, nor does ±4 occur with two doses of spice, in addition to the noted ±6 not occurring with three doses of spice. In addition, the current conjecture that ±6 occurs 1.6% of the time would be consistent if each dose was represented by a 5-sided die, so that the boost from three doses would be calculated by rolling three 5-sided dice. This modeling also does not appear to be the case. --Saftzie (talk) 06:43, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Yellow spice + Prayer[edit source]

I don't know if this was added in on the sneak or what, but yellow spicy stews very much affect prayer. the RS knowlege base states this as well, the page needs to be rearranged a bit to reflect that. Jetdeagon (talk) 04:35, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Updated with new information: Evil stews[edit source]

I have used roughly 350 stews over the years and the +6/-6 boost is so smal it's worth training your skill 1 level higher for the +5 instead. I, when i was working on a +5 herblore boost, got a -6 herblore. And from my experience, it's the only time that I've ever got +6/-6 boost. I am still doing these boosts for effigies but the -6/+6 is just something that's not worth even trying to get.

-6 Cooking boost[edit source]

I am working on +3 smithing, I noticed a -6 Cooking. Of course it may be that because of a previous stew I was already - on cooking, so -6s shoulnd' be given quite so much credence as +6s. Rich Farmbrough, 14:02 4 February 2013 (UTC).

If I understand you correctly, yes, negative "boosts" stack without limit. --Saftzie (talk) 17:19, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

+6 Boots with different color spices[edit source]

I just took a look at this page.. Back when I was doing the lumbridge hard task and needed i think it was 58 smithing, I got +6 on my second stew..

However, there is something you guys are probably not listening to. You need to use different colors of the spices, not just 3. Its the perfect stew combination just like in the quest. I used 3 brown and 2 red and got +6.

I have gotten +6 a total of eight times for many different tasks. I don't have proof but there's no reason for me to lie. 

When people are testing this they really should think about adding different color spices. Dungeoneering.png SirzBenjieSummoning.png 04:31, December 8, 2013 (UTC)

In what skills did you end up getting +6? The ones belonging to the colour you added 3 of, or the ones of the colour you added only 2 of (or random from the union of those skills)? I'd guess that adding more spices would make it more random getting the boost in the skill you want. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 05:17, December 8, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for responding so much later. I got a +6 boost in smithing, when I had used brown and red spices. A few times later I had gotten one for fletching, although I am unable to recall which colors I used for that. I also achieved +6 in herblore in one of my attempts to gain smithing. Dungeoneering.png SirzBenjieSummoning.png 06:00, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Boosting for Boons[edit source]

Boosts for Divination aiming for Boons does not work: ollumXc.png

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