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Does anyone have evidence for it stretching as far as Edgeville? It seems a little far-fetched to me.--Pig HouseInane Ramblings 12:09, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

You can ask User:Morian Smith if you like. He seems to know a lot about RuneScape history. Santa hat.png Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 12:14, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm a RuneScape Historain and I have never seen any evidence to suggest Senntisten stretched as far as Edgeville. Does anyone have any objections to me removing the part stating that Senntisten stretched that far? --Ich Bin Zaros 10:18, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

I believe that the archeologist woman in the north east part of the digsite (near the animal skeleton) is the one who states this. - Lord Drakan

... Before it finally crumbled sometime before 3740[edit source]

I don't understand, is there a source on this? The Varrock museum has a Zamorakian coin with Senntisten written on it from 3740, but all that means is that the city was no longer under Zarosian control, not that it was destroyed.

Darthnowell (talk) 22:31, June 26, 2015 (UTC)

I read that section as the resistance crumbling, not the city itself. Although the destruction of the city probably happened shortly after; Saradomin was pretty serious about wanting to erase all traces of Zaros from Gielinor. Small recharge gem.png AnselaJonla Slayer-icon.png 22:59, June 26, 2015 (UTC)

 Ah ok,  but  the book of the gods places the fall of the resistance 100 generations after Zaros fell. Would it be better to say something like "even with Zaros gone the Zarosian resistance held the city for 100 generations, but eventually succumbed to the attacks of Saradomin and Zamorak. Zamorak conquered the city and was the ruler by 3740..." 
Obviously not word for word since I'm a terrible writer and wrote that pretty fast as an example. I don't know, I think there's room for improvement in that section.
Also, I don't think there's a source on Saranthium being destroyed by Zamorakian attacks, pretty sure we don't know what destroyed it.
Darthnowell (talk) 18:17, June 27, 2015 (UTC)

Book of the gods source.[edit source]

The "100 generations" statement is from the book of the gods, if someone could please source that it'd be nice, I don't know how.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Darthnowell (talk) on 00:44, July 2, 2015 (UTC).

Bias/Original research[edit source]

I added the NPOV template to the article because I believe a large portion of the article is written in a biased voice. From what I understand a talk page discussion is necessary after the template is added. As an example I'll point to the "The God Wars" section in particular as containing a large amount of personal speculation, observations and original research. Darthnowell (talk) 22:23, April 9, 2018 (UTC)

The problem with that, as with all ideas of 'lore,' is citing sources. In-game is hardly the only source we have here. Jmods on Twitter, the Forums, even in things like Discord or on Reddit. Going through old archives of things like that is a very tedious task. Original Research might not always be original, but we'd never know it. TheSepulchre (talk) 22:34, April 9, 2018 (UTC)

This isn't a facts-first study of Senntisten’s history, yet it doesn't seem to contradict the conventional wisdom. The idea is you don't need any prior knowledge to follow it, as I don't make many references to other works in the field. As a result it's deemed non-neutral, and the fact I use a few unfamiliar terms that you might need to look up doesn't help either. I'm a backroom type of guy, and this text is about what is happening in the backroom of a Senntisten during the centuries it was a declining empire- always against the odds- but usually succesfully, to survive in a hostile world. There was a culture in senntisten that individual rulers could draw on and contribute to. The Zarosians studied war as a science, and drawed up what they learned from the past. This gave them an edge that allowed them to deal with many enemies in the field effectively. The goal was not the glory of an individual, but instead the empire’s very survival, so pitched battles with their inevitable losses of precious troops were to be avoided. Instead , they were clinging towards a strategy on a grand scale, organizing a coherent defence within their dispersed fortresses. Thus, clever strategies and spying were the preferred way to operate. Professional armies required training, equipping and supplying, were all resource-intensive procedures. The result was highly effective troops, but there were never many of them compared to their counterparts, and they could not easily be replaced. The shortage of manpower meant that military investment was capital: Although their numbers decreased, there were a powerful few remaining (dating back to the Second Age). As its big human population had to be sustained to reproduce regularly over the centuries, their survival points at a complex strategic culture within Senntisten. Zanovar (talk) 20:03, April 27, 2018 (UTC)