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Wilderness Lure Scam?[edit source]

I had been lured into the wilderness and lost my two snakeskins and my tribal mask, and now I'm FURIOUS at the person that took them from me. There was one of his friends that took my 141K and gave it back to me, and I'm really grateful. My friend lost his Dragon Dagger P++ and his Dragon Med Helm, and Dragon Longsword. I really need my stuff back. If anyone can help me add me my username is *billiejoe121* (no aste

You deserved to lose your stuff if you fall prey to a lure. be careful

lol this is sad, omg 141k...

Assist System Scam?[edit source]

I saw two players asking for teleport runes and someone with a high enough magic level to teleport them to varrock. The thing is that teleports can't be used with the Assist System, so it's either simply lack of knowledge or a new scam. Need more opinions. Sol Levante 15:16, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Lack of knowledge. Where's the scamming part? --Drummer (speak) 18:38, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
The players wanted someone to give them teleport runes. More likely a lack of knowledge, though. Sol Levante 05:59, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

\== The sub article unidentified herb scam needs deleting == This scam no longer applies because of the recent update that means all herbs are dirty or clean. i would do it myself but as i have only just become a member i cant.

Trimming Armour is not a quest reward, it is a reward from Treasure trails. ALso, YOU don't do it, Trimmed armor is a game item, that NO BODY can make.

Theres also a scam organzation that ive seen them meet where the in the palace A rock999 01:39, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Bowstring Scam[edit source]

I don't think this falls into any other categories already, but there is a scam where someone says "Selling 1k BS 160k!" Good deal, right? So you trade and they put out an awkward number of bowstrings just a little over 1k, like 1009, for example. Then, they lower the amount to 1000 properly, so that the red exclamation point comes up. You put down your money as they change the amount actually to 100. The exclamation point is already up, so you think nothing of it, and it's hard to see due to the exclamation point. I got scammed by it; it was quite idiotic of me not to check the verification screen, but the exclamation point still tends to block the amount. Tell me if I should add. 01:34, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

trade limits would make it less effective, but yeah, might as well add itPantheist87 19:39, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Delete This Article[edit source]

I think this article needs to be deleted. My reason for this is that it is highly possible that new players will see this page and its content and use the ideas here to cheat and scam in the game. Rather than having this article with all of these 'situations' that one may experience in the game, I think that this information should be moved to the 'Account Safety' article on the main page -- but without all of the "here's how this scam works" sort of content, but rather explain to new players ways to keep their passwords and items safe, ie: don't type your password in game or anywhere else except for when logging into your account & do not drop items unless you are discarding them etc. Ideas, thoughts and suggestions? JodoKast 02:55, 13 Dec 2005 (UTC)

It would be nice if you could avoid scams by simply not dropping things and typing your password, but it's not. As more and more people are catching on to scams, scammers make more and more intricate tricks. As I earlier said, scammers will scam no matter what. This guide could serve as an invaluable tool for helping new players to avoid these dishonest players. MJMyers2 21:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

This article could encouage others to replicate these acts. I think the fact it is actually called "cheats and scams" makes it worse as it seems to imply "Looking for a cheat or scam? come look here" I think it would be better though if it was just re-named "Account Security" A happybunny 11:53, 19 October 2006 (GMT)

I agree, the current title is too dangerous. Look to the right - it's in the top content section. Account Security would be a good name. -- 15:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

The Article Title maybe a bit dangerous but it's also pretty nieve to think that not talking about scams or cheats is going to get rid of it. I agree with changing the title but not the content. If a scam's blueprint is widely known no one is going to fall for it. The best solution for this problem is to talk about it MORE.

I fell for a variation of the dragonstone tokkul scam, I knew not to buy the fire runes, but now I'm stuck with a bunch of tokkul. If I had read this first I would have known better. defiantly keep it. Pantheist87 19:41, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Free Gem Cutting Underestimated[edit source]

I've had people cut my gems for free several times, all without any theft. It increases the value of the gem greatly. It's still a risk worth cautioning new players about, but free gem cutting is often a harmless exchange benefiting both the cutter and the owner of the gem.

I agree with you. Free Gem Cutting is not the scam that it is often made out to be. While there's not a section in the article about gem cutting specifically, gem cutting is covered under the "trust trade" section. MJMyers2 21:44, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
I would never let anyone cut my gems. One: It decreases the value of the gem because less crafting xp can be derived from it. Two: I can cut all my gems anyway. Three: I want the crafting xp for myself. Mathwhiz90601 22:40, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I cut my own gems, but if you're going to have them cut for you, find someone a higher level. They are usually more trustworthy. Not always, so don't go trusting every high level player.Mukamokawar 05:27, 19 May 2007 (UTC)Muka

You should add that you should ask for them to trade you a cut gem for the uncut gem because then you are assured that they will not just take it. Sleepydragn1 21:22, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

What Is This?[edit source]

Is this meant to be a guide to tell people how to cheat/scam?Shadowdancer 19:48, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

This is NOT a "how-to scam" guide as you make it out to be. This is a guide to all the popular scams and tricks that are used by dishonest players. It serves as a warning to new players and give tips on how to avoid them. These scams have been bubbling along for years without this guide. Players who intend to scam will scam with or without this guide. Perhaps this guide will give the would-be scammer a new idea, but removing it would make it so that new players would more easily fall for them. Removing this article is not, in my opinon, worth the trade-off. MJMyers2 21:39, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
In the forums, one may find a f-mod post stating: "Scam prevention guides are allowed as long as you do not introduce ANY examples of scamming or have no malicious intent to scam. They can be useful for those who were constantly scammed or are very cautious." (QFC: 14-15-282-58032265, pg 2) Would that not mean that, by providing specific examples of scams, this page breaks those rules? Mjc3 21:36, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm against deleting this[edit source]

The purpose of the article is to keep the reader from falling for these things.

--Wowbagger421 21:48, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh come on. By even having this you're attracting would-be scammers and cheaters like flies to honey. Is this what we want? Shadowdancer 15:07, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
I've had only the briefest of glances, but these scams look like they could all be thought up by a six-year-old...and probably have. I'm frankly shocked anyone is stupid enough to fall for them. Nevertheless...I agree with Shadowdancer. We should delete this. It's against the RuneScape rules to talk about scams, for the obvious reason of people getting ideas; I don't think they will, but it can't hurt to delete this section. Exactly who would it benefit? My main argument is basically this...If someone is intelligent enough to actively try to look for "cheats and scams" in order to avoid them, they won't be stupid enough to fall for any of the ones here. Therefore, this section benefits absolutely no-one. 15:37, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
I fell for a scam, but I was intelligent enough to click here. Some of these, sure, are common sense, but spreading knowledge and awareness of these acts can only benefit us. The more people know, the more likely it is that the scam will fail, and the more likely Jagex will do something about it--make an update like the exclamation point update, for example. 01:38, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I say the name should be changed to Anti-Hack and Scam Guide, so as not to delude people for thinking that is a guide actually telling you how to cheat at the game.--Death motor 18:11, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree. This is a valuable page, but the name has the potential to confuse. Anti-Hack and Scam Guide is definitely clearer. By the way, it's not against the RuneScape rules to talk about scams, just as long as you don't encourage people to commit them. Eruan 15:41, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Wowbanger--Imagine Wizard 19:33, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Imagine Wizard about agreeing with Wowbagger. These scams have been around without this guide, and will be without this guide. Deleting this would be succoming to the "if we don't talk about it, it might go away" mentallity. Jagex's unwillingness to talk about theses scams and tricks is, I belive, part of the reason that scamming is such a problem in RuneScape. If Jagex made a page that listed all these scams, and told all players to read it, then I think scamming would decline a lot. This article should be kept, but perhaps Death is right when he says the name should be changed to something more true to it's intent. MJMyers2 21:50, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Im not sure if i got the indentation right, but I am against deleting this page (it could use some revision though).

I am also against this. Because I read this yesterday, I reported a scammer today (Armor trimming scam). This page helps people be aware of what scams are commonly used so they don't fall for them. I also disagree with the user that stated "If someone is intelligent enough to actively try to look for "cheats and scams" in order to avoid them, they won't be stupid enough to fall for any of the ones here." I read this article when I came across it while mining coal. I don't think people may come looking for it, but if it catches their eye while on here they may read it and learn to avoid scams. Maybe we should even put a link to this on the main page to attract more attention. Mr.hotkeys 23:07, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm against this because I think even though they are all stupid scams people fall for them. I don't know why they fall for obvious scams but they do. So thats why we need this guide. Anyways scammers would figure these scams by them selfs. Also: Talking about scams isn't illegal. It's illegal if you say "Hey wanna learn how to scam?" but not to try to prevent them. If it was a lot of accounts would be banned because of them saying "i got item scammed! This guy switched out the diamond for a opal when i wasn't looking" or something like that. Sleepydragn1 21:27, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm a little insulted that you say someone would have to be an idiot to fall for one of these- I'm a med student and I think I'm pretty bright, but I have fallen for the dragonstone/tokuul scam. keep it up. Pantheist87 19:46, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

complete rewrite[edit source]

I've completely rewritten this guide. Please let me know what you think! --Ixfd64 00:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Well done! But this is one of three articles I never check the edits of; the other two being Money Making Guide and....can't remember the other one. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 08:01, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Just rename the article[edit source]

Why not give the article a more fitting name, such as "Cheat and scam prevention"? White partyhat.pngCh1lled SocksWhite partyhat.png 21:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I doubt this[edit source]

"RuneScape Classic needle scam

In RuneScape Classic, some scammers have been known to offer 10 million gp for items. Upon trading, the scammer will actually offer 1 million gp and a needle. On the RuneScape Classic trading screen, this would look like 10,000,001 gp.

Suggested action: Report the player for item scamming. "

Really? This doesn't make any sense at all to me. --Wowbagger421 22:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Well I've never heard of that scam before either (but I don't play RSC) and it does sound a bit fake to me. If someone could get some evidence to show that it can be done that would be great (a picture or video on youtube or google videos). Sleepydragn1 21:31, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

It is not fake, in RSC, when you traded it was a semi-transparent background and showed the exact amound it didn't shorten it. e.g. RS2: You put up 147,534 gp it says 100k. RSC it says 147534. And, you can hardly see needles and the 1 million gp goes into the box with a needle. EXAMPLE (ITALICS ARE NEEDLE AMOUNT): 14674941 Now, since that crossed over to the almost invisible needle, you'd think that was 14,674,941 gp. When it really is 1,467,494 gp and 1 needle. 00:13, 24 February 2008 (UTC)