Talk:Player Moderator Centre

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No, I am not a player mod :P --S terror1 02:20, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't think we should be promoting confidentiality violation... Skill 02:35, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Care to explain which RuneScape rule that would violate? Dtm142 02:42, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
I think there's a rule where if someone spills "the beans" about mod only stuff, the player will get banned, but I don't think that has happened on this article. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 02:58, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Most of the details regarding the contents of the centre haven't been publicly released. For example the list of mods. Skill 03:05, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
This article doesn't name any player mods. Dtm142 03:20, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
The fact that the list exists isn't currently supposed to be public information, as far as I know. Skill 03:22, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Public knowledge ftw!!! Dtm142 03:24, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
And certainly the mod query system isn't supposed to be. Skill 04:02, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Everyone knows about it... A certain player mod made sure of it on our forums. Dtm142 04:07, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

(re-indent) >.> Skill 04:15, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Do you know which mod? lol --S terror1 11:38, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I think so Skill 14:13, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

One last thing. If any player mod here who is willing to give out some more details on the centre please post it. Thanks! --S terror1 01:47, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

That's pretty much everything without listing individual rules or player moderators. 24.66.94.144 01:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
They can't, they're sworn to secrecy on some things.Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 01:49, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Things such as?--S terror1 03:15, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Specific rules, specific player moderators, discussions, etc. Dtm142 03:17, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Things that we don't know about... Rendova said that there are some things that player mods can't reveal.Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 03:18, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
The only contents of the centre that Jagex has revealed are "These tools include: Guidelines, Codes of Conduct and a forum for discussing issues that may arise as a group and with Jagex staff." Anything they themselves haven't released is to be kept secret. When you're putting stuff in these articles, remember that unless it's in the knowledge base or talked about by the town crier, it's to be kept confidential. Rendova 03:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I've cleaned it up a bit; everything in there now is acceptable. I'm thinking we ought to come up with something that goes at the top of the page (like the banner saying an article is a stub) reminding everyone that certain aspects of modship are strictly confidential and people should be wary of anything not released by Jagex themselves. Rendova 18:45, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
I still don't get the big deal. We aren't breaking any of the 15 rules... Dtm142 02:18, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

True, this isnt breaking any rule and its not like runescape will come to an end just because people know whats in there. The internet is a free place in my opinion and jagex cant do anything about it. --S terror1 21:12, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

My words have fallen on deaf ears >.< Rendova 02:12, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean by that, Rendova?--S terror1 14:11, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

If Jagex refuses to let unqualified users know details about the PMC (even when they ask, locked forum threads, etc.), then we should not either. And also, the information should be cited in some way. We aren't a tabloid on Player Moderators. May be coloured blue in the near future.earth(t)

Nor are we an official Jagex site. If we were only allowed to publish information that could be found in the knowledge base, what would be the point of the wiki? Dtm142 01:43, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Dtm142, i agree with you. If we had to abide by Jagex's rules on this wiki then this website would have no meaning because everyone could just find all the information they need in the knowledge base.--S terror1 22:33, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Let's say that I posted here that the centre had information on a moderator meeting (it doesn't, by the way). Seems harmless enough, right? But what if someone comes along and intentionally tries to disrupt it? What if they happen to be in the right place at the right time? It does seem unlikely, yes, but it happens more than you think. If they get into the meeting then they could presumably hear about the deeper confidential stuff, which is a problem. Situations like this are why information isn't made public. Skill 22:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I think that if such a thing were to happen, the community should have the right to know about it. Discussing "inner confidential" issues ingame is asking for trouble anyway, and again the community should have the right to know about them if it is relevant to the wider community (the fact that you have something that would be disastrous if non moderators heard about it raises some brows...) Ingame events aren't normally posted about on the wiki anyway (non notable). But I think that unless information violates Jagex's 15 rules, breaches NPOV, or is irrelevant to building a RuneScape source, it should be included in articles. Wikipedia is known as the "free encyclopedia" for a reason, and Wikia is just an extension of that. Dtm142 23:05, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
If a non-mod were to come into such a meeting, they might find, for example, what they could be muted for. Is that a good thing? Such meetings don't actually take place, but that was just an example. Take the query system. Who's to say that no one will harass a mod to send in a query for them if everyone were to know it exists? Skill 23:36, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
"Nor are we an official Jagex site. If we were only allowed to publish information that could be found in the knowledge base, what would be the point of the wiki?" - Not everything that isn't in the kbase is confidential. If everything we could do was released to the public, then people would find loopholes and all sorts of ways to avoid getting muted and reported. And macros would learn how to avoid us better. They aren't keeping this stuff secret just to annoy you; these are things that actually would be damaging if they were released. And do you NEED to know everything about mods to play runescape? We're just an extra part of the game. Ignore us. You can continue to play without knowing these things. And even if you did, you would just think "Oh, cool." and go on as if you didn't know it. Rendova 23:29, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
You don't "need" to visit this wiki to play RuneScape... Dtm142 22:29, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
But you may visit the wiki, but you may not publish things that Jagex has asked us to keep quiet about. Rendova 19:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, where did Jagex say something like "You may not say certain things on the runescape wiki"?--S terror1 20:07, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

They have said quite clearly to all mods not to say certain things to anyone unless the recipient is a mod themself. Skill 00:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
(in response to S terror. I had a double edit conflict o.O)

Since I can't show you that, and since you obviously won't trust me, I'll try this some other way.

People are asking where in the rules it says we can't publish certain aspects of modship. Well, it's not in the rules. Why? Because the rules are for INGAME conduct, so they don't apply anywhere else. And the thing about pmods not being allowed to talk about this stuff ingame isn't in the rules because it doesn't affect anyone but themselves. Only stuff that applies to everyone is in the rules. Sure, you can speculate amongst yourselves what's in the center or what magical powers we have, but we can't confirm anything for you.

And since Jagex hasn't published these things, how do you know they're true? People lie. Published text directly from the source doesn't. If I told you mods could spawn homicidal level 300 monkeys in Varrock, would you believe me? What if I told you we could right-click report? That claim is no more provable than the first one, but because you're probably inclined to believe it, you will. And since you want to help spread knowledge, you'll probably publish it here on the wiki. But you CAN'T PROVE IT. You're only going by what someone told you. So the next time you're going to add something like this to an article, I want you to give me proof. Proof = a link. Pictures don't count because they can be edited; unless the link used for the picture goes back to runescape itself.

And I've told you they have requested this stuff stay confidential. Can't you respect that? Rendova 00:15, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

mod centre[edit source]

ok for this page, we can only say what is released to the public, i'm a player moderator of runescape, when we agreed to be a mod we agreed to confidentiality under the terms and use(contract) of being a mod that anything we can accessed may not be shared. til more info is released i think this is fine, maybe one or two chages could happen, but be cool. so if its not told to everyone it cant be put here, plus there isnt anthing exciting there ps, i'll put a mini summery of the agreement later k Eatbetter 00:05, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

By putting a summary of it, you'll be doing exactly what the contract itself asks you not to do. If you really are a pmod, then you'll want to read this thread 10-11-620-54405007 Rendova 00:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I found some proof, Rendova. Look at this [] 16:18, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

That actually looks nothing like it. Like I said, unless it's a link from the official site, you can't know for sure it's legit. This was a perfect example. Rendova 17:48, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Well thank you for proving me wrong. Now there can be no more arguing over this :)--S terror1 23:35, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

well we all want to know wat u mods talk about but sadly we'll never know :( jagex better be EXTRA careful about picking their mods cuz sum1 who want 2 b a mod might just b trying 2 take a picture of the mod centre. Dragon 2h sword old.png Vex 327 talk 15:39, 31 January 2008 (UTC)Vex 327
Jagex already has that problem. The PMod centre is avalible for download all over the internet. If someone's really interested in what's in it, send them there, and not here. Grim reaper hood.png Ben RyfosTalk 15:45, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Someone already linked to it, and I checked it out. It didn't even look in the slightest like the real thing. Even the top several hits on google failed :P Rendova 19:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I've had a PMOD confirm that I had found the real thing on Google. I refuse to give links, as it's a top-secret Jagex thing, but it's already out there for real. Edit: Second time today I forgot to sign. Grim reaper hood.png Ben RyfosTalk 19:55, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Ok =\ this time I went through all of the results on the first two pages. Still nothing real. Rendova 04:07, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
What happens if Jagex finds a site linking to the PMC? And why would they care? Why is the PMC so confidential? White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 17:14, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
You would probably have Jagex after you to remove it. The PMC is confidential because it puts extremely specific details in on player mod responsibilities, and some information that's not common knowledge, but isn't specifically "secret", as it would probably cause controversy. It also includes lists of every mod's name on RuneScape. If that was public, no mod could -EVER- have public chat on. Grim reaper hood.png Ben RyfosTalk 17:31, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't see why Jagex doesn't allow at least what's in the centre. They don't have to let ordinary players have access to it. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 20:51, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
"guidelines, a code of conduct, and forums exclusively for player moderators." That aside, if someone got ahold of the list of pmods and published it or something, then they would know what accounts specifically to target for hacking ect. If they got ahold of the guidelines, they would know what they can and can't be muted for. They could easily find ways to go as far as possible without warranting a mute. Rendova 23:33, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
So, basically, they'd read the rules and not do anything that would abuse them, to prevent themselves from being temporarily muted? White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 23:44, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
What? Rendova 00:05, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't know, I'm confused. What will the guys who know what's in it do? White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 04:20, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
It lists every player moderator in the game. Imagine if someone tried to hack every one of them. One uses an insecure password, and bam! A user gets on and mutes half of a world. Or, a user reads the rules on muting, and harasses someone to just the point where a mod can't mute them. There are several issues that could come out of it, and that's why it's better kept hidden. Grim reaper hood.png Ben RyfosTalk 04:37, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Well now I understand perfectly why Jagex keeps the PMC confidential. Thanks, Rendova--S terror1 15:40, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I can see why ordinary players can't see the player moderator centre. But I don't see a problem with them knowing about what moderators can do there. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 21:03, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Here we go again :s. "These include guidelines, a code of conduct, and forums exclusively for player moderators." That's basically it. Now you know o.O Rendova 02:08, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
To whoever said before, player moderators can only mute 25 people. This is a preventative measure by Jagex to ensure that chaos doesn't ensue. ~ Hardy 86.157.208.255 16:48, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

A reminder[edit source]

Wikipedia (wiki is its sister) is NOT runescape, nor does it abide by runescapes rules. Wiki does NOT withhold information that could be deemed offensive. Also, you do not need to have jagexs permission to post a image from a non related company (or website). Therefor, posting the player moderator centre cannot be withheld, even if it cant be proven to be the real thing, and there should be a consensus on here b4 posting such a thing. I think a fair ground would be not to post the image of the pmod list. Once again, wikipedia is not jagex. Warrush 01:32, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

For instance, scroll down this link, and there is a pic of the pmod centre. This should be included in the article, and it doesnt show anything that would hinder someones gameplay. Warrush 02:06, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
It's probably just a fake. There are tons of fake PMod Centres online. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 02:17, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Then again, it does look real, and a lot like other "fakes" I've seen before... White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 02:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Its not fake, i've seen the mod centre at my friends house (obviously I can't use this as a cite), any pmod that says its fake will just prove to me that there lying about being a pmod, or are just covering up. Any ways pics like this that would not harm a individuals gameplay would be a good consensus for a picture. Warrush 02:25, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

"nor does it abide by runescapes rules" NOT TRUE. Jagex's fansite rules state that all fansites must abide by the RuneScape rules of conduct. Rule 11: "The site should abide by our Terms and Conditions." taken from [http://www.runescape.com/kbase/viewarticle.ws?article_id=2081#fan here]. Magic potion (4).pngCFLM Talk # Sign 07:20, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I'll just copy the relavent section for us all here: "5. Do you have any conditions that you would like Fan Sites to abide by?" (a few lines down) "The site should not publish an article, text or images taken from any of our websites without permission. If we do give you permission, you must acknowledge the relevant site as the source, and link back to the site." So without the go-ahead from Jagex, we can't do it. And since player moderators apparently aren't allowed to leak it, then it's sealed: no screenies or information which isn't publicly available.--Laurencio2 01:49, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
I've also now put an image of the player moderator centre as shown to any logged in player, it isn't confidential information nor is it breaking or bending any rules :) Laurencio2 02:03, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
I do not think having the "PMod centre inside" will help any player, and I was under the impression this Wiki is precisely about that, information and help. Having the PMod centre, or the supposedly genuine PMod centre, will only make scammers imitate it in order to put online fake websites for players to write their passwords on them. This kind of things always happen. If it's supposed to be confidential, let it be confidential. Those are my two cents.--Master wand.png Banim Infinity hat.png(talk) 08:24, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Stub[edit source]

I marked this page as a stub because I really think that it's a bit short and could contain more information. Problem is, I'm not sure what we should put there (obviously not anything confidential p-mod wise...) Laurencio2 16:03, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

jagex's rules[edit source]

so, the only reason we keep this article in this state is so we can get a mention from jagex on their website? that would be like a leader paying a news source to only give positive information on the rulers actions. 3rd age farcaster 17:36, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Its more that we can not prove anything else, as the Pmods that edit here have a signed agreement with Jagex saying they won't release info, and even if one did the others wouldn't substantiate it. So this is what we are stuck with. Oh well, just play the game and have fun right?--Degenret01 17:49, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

meh. does not seem like it would be a big problem to find a pmod that is aether not loyal, or quit being a pmod. 3rd age farcaster 18:23, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Lumbridge Sage[edit source]

"To access the P-Mod Room the Player Moderator would talk to the Lumbridge Sage and it would ask them if they would like to access the P-Mod Room. "

This isn't mentioned on the Jagex Knowledge Base, and thus is either confidential or incorrect.

I know some players might consider it "general knowledge", but its not really proven anywhere, and pmods probably don't want to be stalked going to the lumbridge sage or whatever :P

Thanks, SwiftrTaylor 09:40, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

It isn't giving away any of their secret powers, and they get stalked anywhere they go anyhow. This information has been seen by several of the p mods and none of them have ever removed it, whereas they always remove things they feel are confidential.--Degenret01 09:59, June 4, 2010 (UTC)