Talk:Pay-to-play Prayer training

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Bonecrusher[edit source]

The XP rate for baby blues was highly inaccurate. After killing for an hour, I was no where near the suggested 21k xp. I'm going to work on getting xp/hr rates for other monsters, starting with Dagannoths. Maybe blue dragons as well. Any other suggestions?

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03:59, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

you could try frostdragons if you have dung req Korasi's sword.pngANGRYnubtalk Elite void knight armour (executioner) equipped (male).png 23:16, September 17, 2012 (UTC)

XP rates[edit source]

Ok using the information given I came up with a handy little formula for which bones to use.

The true xp xp rate per hour over the hour it took plus the time it took getting the money.

Setting method 1 to method 2 and solving for profit you get profit=(xp2cost1-xp1cost2)/(xp1-xp2)

Importing the values for dragon bones and big bones the value you get is the profit per hour you have to make before you dont do one and do the other. In this case big bones are the cheaper value. The value is 811,440 using the information on this site. Either someone is lieing about this information or for the vast majority of us playes making <500k per hour dragon bones are far more wastefull then big bones.

I then did the same with Baby dragon bones with big bones being cheaper. The value is 483,066. Now that value is reasonable when compared to some very good sources of income, or more fun sources of income.

However of the three I would mention Dragon as for the super wealthy, Baby dragon for the wealthy, and Big bones for the rest of us. By NO means Dragon as for the rest of us unless the price goes down.

I will leave this up here for 1 month and if no one will tell my why everyone says dragon, I will edit the site to include Baby Dragon or Big bones.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) on 08:53, April 4, 2011.

Back! After some more calculations the new value for dragon bones, indeed to price may just be worth it due to some higher incomes. However, the way the information is presented is kind of cheating the reader to go to dragon bones too quickly. Comparing Dragon bones to Big bones is to large of a gap. For anyone who knows how to edit this site, please fix it to compare Baby-dragon to Dragon as that would better show the viewer when to switch. Also due to the lower costs, perhaps adding the next step after Dragon would be useful.

You don't have to wait a month, if you have some relevant and objective information just add it; if someone has a good reason why it's wrong, they'll change it back (or more likely make the page clearer to address that point). Anyway I think that dragon bones have gone up in price and that section was just out of date (eg it doesn't mention frost dragon bones, which beat ourg bones by price and experience). Ideally we'd have a calculator which gave the most efficient method, when input how fast the player can make money. Stewbasic 12:58, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Types of bones to use section[edit source]

The last sentence in the following paragraph is redundant because it is stated in the previous sentence. I deleted the last sentence.

"However, collecting a large number of bones to use for prayer can take an extremely long time, and it is advised to buy your bones as in the time you save you could more than make the extra money you have spent back. Because of the time to collect many bones, you can make money back faster by buying bones, opposed to just collecting them." IntrepidX 21:07, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Gilded Altar Training via Taverley + Rouge's Den.[edit source]

I was hanging around Taverley today doing nothing in front of the house portal today and realised that a bank was in front of me (Rouge's Den). Would this be a faster way to train prayer via Gilded Altar then training at Yanille?

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Morytania task rewards[edit source]

I'm surprised none of the prayer wiki pages mentions this. You can trade a certain number of bones per day with Robin for bonemeal+slime plus daily Ectopool teleports plus prayer boost to Shade cremating.

I wonder what the hourly rate would be if you used the Ecto rewards every day. Probably not getting you to 99 but a nice boost on the side. 20:46, September 17, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah. 13 bones daily for people who done Medium Morytania task set, and 26 bones for Hard task set.
I own Morytania legs 3 and happy with this service and never used bones on any POH altar. Anyway I'm planning to build a gilded altar soon in my house to use up Prayer pendants and bones smaller than drag bones. --Ypacaraí (talk) 05:54, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Level by level guide for prayer training[edit source]

The prayer guide used to have a level by level guide to prayer training. I have removed this, as prayer training rates are completely independent from prayer level, and the only thing that matters is money making rate, and to assume peoples money making rate off of their prayer level is very presumptous, as even low levels may be able to merch (which, although i often find unethical depending on the exact specifics of the merching, should be taken into account) or do something else for money. I really should have removed it sooner, however, now that there is an actual analysis of money making rate versus bones used, and the "bones to use at each level" is now completely and utterly obselete.

WoHenRe (talk) 19:23, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

Gilded Altar formula issues[edit source]

Calculations based on using POH altar and 1400 bones per hour.

Players who value their time below Coins 1000 -26,540 per hour should use impious ashes.

Players who value their time between Coins 1000 -26,540 per hour and Coins 1000 3,927,000 per hour should use infernal ashes.

Players who value their time between Coins 1000 3,927,000 per hour and Coins 1000 658,467 per hour should use dagannoth bones.

Players who value their time between Coins 1000 658,467 per hour and Coins 1000 15,727,600 per hour should use ourg bones.

Players who value their time above Coins 1000 15,727,600 per hour should use frost dragon bones.

From current time of post page.

First off -26,540? gp ? This does not really make sense. Secondly between -26,540 and 3,927,000 use infernal. Okay but then between 3,927,000 and 658,467 dagannoth? Meaning it is better to use infernal if under 3,927,000 but also better to use dagannoth when above 3,927,000 but below 658,467 (in other words never better to use?) Then, better to use ourg bones between 658,467 and 15,727,600? So overlap between infernal best and ourg best? Then frost dragons make sense.

I am going to try to use some space on my userspace to try and make logical formulas but I do not yet understand what this is doing. Thanks, Yayepicyay (talk) 23:26, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

Also what does this <!--61,512 experience needed at 105 experience per bone--><!--62,148 experience needed at 105 experience per bone--><!--613,967 experience needed at 105 experience per bone--><!--1,683,460 experience needed at 252 experience per bone--><!--4,324,435 experience needed at 252 experience per bone--><!--2,254,305 experience needed at 252 experience per bone--><!--4,262,873 experience needed at 252 per bone--> mean? It is written in the same section of the page. More thanks, Yayepicyay (talk) 23:29, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

Okay I have solved the -26,540 gp part. Literally if you can make money when not training prayer, then you should use infernals. Not exactly sure how to rewrite this section to make a more dynamically calculated table (perhaps an auto sorted table which calculates cost/exp with respect to time?) Yayepicyay (talk) 00:00, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Untitled[edit source]

Currently the calculator for which bones to use based on money-making ability/hr seems broken, as negative values are sometimes on the LHS, and other times on the RHS, making it rather unclear what the basis is for calculations.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) on 22:36, December 17, 2014 (UTC).

Cleanup[edit source]

Time valuations[edit source]

The time valuations section needs to be updated to include rune and adamant dragon bones. There are wealth ranges in which it is a better idea to use rune dragon bones or adamant dragon bones.

Cleanup2[edit source]

Cleaned up the article by removing outdated information and methods that are too inefficient to be on there. I think the overflow of ridiculous methods was getting in the way of the real methods. If anyone disagrees with the edit feel free to change it but make sure to keep the updated information in there. Galian prist (talk) 10:09, November 5, 2016 (UTC)