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Untitled[edit source]

Could we have instructions on the most effective way to report a macro?

To me the challenge is to determine that a player actually is a bot. Would one dare to report a top 100 ranger even if the player has a number for a name and only the minimal stats to complete the quests to gain access to the Ogre dungeon, has extremely fast reflexes, a non-standard operational mode to collect the drops, does not respond to chat and wears an outfit unbecoming to a level 99 ranger? It gets a 98% certainty on my bot detection scale, but high level players can be a funny bunch. --Miw 13:19, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

A bot would never be a high-level player. Most are level 3. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 22:02, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Wrong
There are Green Dragon bots, where their levels range between 60 - 110. --Drummer (speak) 00:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

According to RS rules, silence (not responding to chat) is not against rules, therefore it is not a valid reason to report a player. There is even an option to block chat messages. --88.112.192.167 15:46, 27 June 2009 (UTC) Obnoxious behaviour or repetetive behaviour (as click always the same spot and using the same path) are criteria that can be used for bot detection. Nor silence, repetitive behaviour or easily distinguishes, as there are many "smarter" bots and repetitive people (Autism? No, that was a joke). Bots are common level 3 in Free to Play total unequipped, but P2P bots usually have a combat level and the normal granite platebody and dragon med (another criteria, yet not entierly reliable). But you have legit players going bad, I've seen level 135's botting. Sad story.

A lot of this information is incorrect[edit source]

As are many of your opinions, I tried editing it to make it correct, but it was roll overed. You need to stop being stubborn about what and whatnot a bot is and how to spot them. Bots come in all shapes and sizes, and most of them ARE NOT default level 3s. And bots are more advanced than you think, moe advanced 6than just rapidly clicking trees and ores. --???



-- I tried to post this also, but it was removed. If they don't know what a PAYBOT is, then they definately don't know much. --- Jan 2010


They do not understand bots. I know how to bot, my friend does and I have read the scripts. they are good.

Rune helm (h1).png Gurgle528Talk | Contribs Rune platebody (Guthix).png 01:43, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Human powered bots??[edit source]

This is not using any macros, why are they here? That is not macroing, that's real world item trading. Aurora (talk)09:04, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree, that is pointless to be here since it is not automated. Lava rune.pngJoshuaVincentTalk Contrib

More?[edit source]

Does anyone else see more bots than ever? I spend quite a bit of time on F2P and the bots are rampant. Buying all the deaths, buying all the feathers, cutting all the high level trees. There are simple solutions out there, why isn't Jagex doing anything about it?Scythe.png Atlandy 22:52, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

No I don't but then again I was there for all the mass-bans. Lava rune.pngJoshuaVincentTalk Contrib

Far too true. I've been in this game since the dragon quest was new and the sheer number of bots now is obscene. However, Jagex won't do anything about it because, if we don't pay, they don't care. -- 216.16.236.2 05:01, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

It's not just the free to play bots that don't get checked out, members bots are rarely ever banned even with incredibly obvious evidence simply because banning all the p2p bots would take a BIG chuck out of jagex's paycheck. The company has become more about money and less about actual gameplay and communication with their players.

...It's mostly due to the fact that they receive so many reports a day( not true it's mostly due to the fact that bots keep the runescape economy stable, as raw materials like sharks would be alot higher, so 10k rather then about 1k and in my opinion, bots are not so bad because of this, but i still consider using them cheating), and they go through such a big process trying to get substantial evidence to support a ban. As much as one would like to think that Jagex is simply money-oriented, the bots I report do eventually get banned. I just takes time and patience. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 18:44, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
Maybe Jagex doesn't give a crap about bots in P2P? They pay to be there. See F2P they have to see ads for Jagex to get money, and most botting programs use out of browser programs, so you don't see ads. I have been reported for botting(and they were somewhat right I was sitting at computer and watching, and I could talk but I don't like noobs))
EDIT BY ME: Also, when was mining pure ess(not botting) I got considerably less randoms then on F2P
Rune helm (h1).png Gurgle528Talk | Contribs Rune platebody (Guthix).png 01:46, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
Why they don't mass ban bots: it isn't easy. They have to checkup access time data, movements, repetetive movements, data that wouldn't be normally accessed on the server, etc. F2P bots have few cures. If you ban one bot, it is easier to make another ten in an hour.

A partial solution to macros![edit source]

If people are despirate to get stuff like logs, coal, exc, exc, why doesnt runescape simply make npc's at certain spots who sell an UNLIMITED stock of those things(The price of those will be around the street price) That should hopfully get rid of most of the macroers!!!!--Pkthis 03:11, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Still, macroer's even mean auto-buyers that can still buy those with some coin and then sell it for real cash. Blankothe3rd
I think it'd be awesome if there was some option whereby any player could go up to another and perform some action (for example, "pwn X"). It'd check the account for a macro; if none exists the action is harmless, but if a macro is running, the player dies and it sends a notification to Jagex. But that's just my random notion. -- 216.16.236.2 05:05, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
If only that was possible! -- Atlantima talk trade contribs 01:58, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Personally, I think Jagex should add a feature that recognizes binge actions. It's like being skulled for non-combat skills. If the macroer is skulled in this way, people should be allowed to attack them, and they lose all the items they have. What do ya think? masterGLASERAlalalaThat's "Glosser."
Awesome. May be coloured blue in the near future.earth(t)
So... We can't do that shop stock part. A, because it was a previous update from JaGEx that was eventually abused. Legitimate players with more intellegence would notice that this way JaGEx would be controlling the item prices with the shops.

players should be able to hit hit somthing and check if a character is another player has a macro playing if it is a macro you should be able to PK them and take everything they got.. a few weeks of that and the macros would be gone.

If it were possible to know with certainty whether someone was macroing with an automatic system, I would imagine they would just ban the player. Letting them be PKed is more fun, however. Skill 07:12, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Free Fletching experience! I would kill so many yew log bots just for the fun of it. May be coloured blue in the near future.earth(t) 02:44, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Bots are third party jar programs usually, meaning they can EDIT the game so macro detectors are useless, especially since the scripts they run just tell the mouse what to do. Trust me, I know botters.
Rune helm (h1).png Gurgle528Talk | Contribs Rune platebody (Guthix).png 01:48, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
They don't edit the game, they conceal their information they recieve and give, interpret the bigger information and bot with that data.
@Pkthis -A lot of people bot for experience (to get 99 or a certain requirement for a weapon/quest), not items. |http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/7237/jedik.png Yoplorian 22:35, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

Types of Macros Available[edit source]

There are many types of macros, or \"SCAR Scripts\" available. Here is a small list of most of them.

  1. Air Running
  2. Tutorial Island running
  3. Attack scripts (can be set to fight just about anything, based on a specific color on the NPC)
  4. Flax picking/spinning/banking/any combo of picking/spinning/banking, or all 3.
  5. Bread cooking
  6. Random event completion scripts (usually written in conjunction with skill-based scripts)
Basically, if you can do something in RuneScape, you can make a script to do it. It basically consists of gathering color numbers for the scripts to find and identify, as well as X Y co-ords for where the mouse to go, and even inputting phrases to say, or things to type.
Writing a script is even easier, if you know what you\'re doing, for example, I took a crack at making a script that clicked a series of emotes, then walked to a specific location and back and it worked perfectly without flaw. It\'s not hard to do =\\ 67.159.50.130 06:30, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Also, I know how Jagex inputs new content, I know how they code everything and I know the perfect coding sequences to put in to make the "if they're macroing, make it possible to kill them" code. It's long, it's intriquite (however you spell it) and it may cause some lag. However, it is very possible....or, if Jagex was smart, they could just do what my buddy did. My buddy creates RuneScape Private Servers and he made one exactly like RS in every way. all working quests and skills, etc, and alot of the people who played his server tried to macro, however, my buddy had a foolproof system in his server, that, whenever someone ran an Autoclicker or SCAR, the game would auto-detect it, boot the player and send a global message, such as "<playername> IS A MACROER!". From what he told me, it was simple to code in. 67.159.50.130 06:30, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Macros air run now? I never guessed. Either way, if you're a mem, why not tell Jagex this "script"? It could help quite a bit. --Drummer (speak) 00:38, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Although it is obsolete now, what was the percentage of false positives in the macro detection implemented by your brother? Woodcutting-icon.pngHyenastetalk 23:58, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Around 2.5% believe it or not. 69.156.179.180 12:43, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to say, but the "color of the NPC" is not correct. I have a friend who possesses a botting program, and it detects the ID of the NPCs and the ID of the items(IDs are valid. Bones are 526. check in GE database for bones and look for the number "526". Also, it doesn't use SCAR scripts. It uses java source scripts. bots aren't all the same.

go to the forrest[edit source]

I saw some bots in the forrest running around like crazy so i yelled hey noobs! i then kep saying that then i finellay said talk Noobs!!! and no answer. go to the forrest by wizards tower then you will see themCowboy2 00:41, 14 December 2007 (UTC)cowboy2

umm.......this is to discuss about the article. If you want you can go to the forums to talk.White partyhat.png Patcong talk White partyhat.png00:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

END of macros?[edit source]

plz take this off since there are tons that came back, they have found another way to transfer money, or they would have quit already 76.249.190.199 07:32, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

And what is that way that they transfer money? You don't expect them to disappear instantly, as some companies might not know that RWT is impossible now, so they'll continue for a little while longer until someone buys (and buying rs gold is rare now, so it may take some time), which is when they'll discover that they can't deliver and then stop. --Drummer (speak) 09:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I still don't understand why the update helped. Sure, the wilderness is smaller, but now because of that, there aren't any players to report the real-world traders. So bots can still wander freely in the Wildy, drop-trading and macroing. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 22:52, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
But they can't drop trade, because the trading limit won't show the items to other players. And since they can't deliver gold anymore, there's no point farming it now. --Drummer (speak) 00:46, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
The update helped because it got rid off all but one of the ways to deliver gold to customers. The last way being giving the gold away in a drop party at Party Pete's, which would have many random players flocking to the area at the sight of "OMG DROP PARTY IN PARTY ROOM 5M", or whatever the bankers say. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 00:47, 6 January 2008 (UTC) (Edit conflict)
What does that mean? Why not just drop-trade the gold, 3K at a time? White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 19:56, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
That would take hours just to transfer 1M. I don't think most gold buyers have that much patience. Odds are, they'd be caught and banned while transferring. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 06:53, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Oh, I get it. Why resize the wildy, then, if the trading stake doesn't easily allow real-world trading anyway? White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 02:47, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
That, I'm not 100% sure about. My guess is that gold sellers would start trading through the Wilderness in which the buyers kills the seller and gets all the money. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 22:02, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, then Jagex should change it back. The resize has already lost them a ton of money; there's no point in keeping it if it's not needed. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 00:39, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
The update may have gotten rid of the real-world traders, but there's still the RuneScape players that auto-level and drop-trade. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 22:45, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
I think i could help program a few things LOL.. well... maybe not yet.. still need to learn more ways to keep up with my coding. I could program scripts. NOT programs. Well used to. I made a random event generator (OFF TOPIC) and it tells me random phrases like A F5 Tornado strikes your house. and stuff its funny and cool It took a long time to make. After searching for a proper Random number code. O_O i mean it took monthes to find that stupid code O_O. but i got it. but then..... a virus got my computer and its gone *whimpers* All that hard work.. gone. I used to program batch. Trying very hard to learn C++ and i know Apple script very well when at school. << only place i can apple script LOL my computer here << Home is windows while at school is mac ^_^ Coaster4321 Talk # Sign GG 19:51, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Cool Story bro.... Gkstyles 03:06, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Obsolete[edit source]

It says (Obsolete) everywhere in the article. I suggest that the obsolete thing be removed and just mentioned a few times in the paragraphs, instead of adding (obsolete) to every list in the article. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 22:32, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Macro-Site[edit source]

I have noticed that people on my friends list don't respond for weeks on end. And there are large groups of people mining pure essence (member's) non-stop and not talking. One of my friends finally chatted to me after 3 weeks non-stop logging in and out 24-7, claiming to have their account stolen by a website. If anyone knows more about this please add to this. post by 203.219.198.228‎ moved from the article

Gold Farming[edit source]

Gold farming doesn't just mean real world training. It could just mean Making money. As shown in the money making guide. I call it gold farming because its called meat farming on kingdomofloathing.com Which is meat is currency and its called that because its MAKING money Farming is MAKING. so please update this saying something else other then gold farming << REAL WORLD TRADING. its not true gold farming is just doing a task repeatedly to make money. Coaster4321 Talk # Sign GG 19:33, 18 April 2009 (UTC) PS: no matter what i call money making Gold farming. ^_^ sorry lol. I am used to it


  • gold farming doesn't just mean real world trading but what goldfarming is when a player makes 2-10+ accounts and bots them all then transfers the money to a main account so as a normal player would make lets say 300k a hour a goldfarmer would make 3m an hour if he has 10 accounts so it would be brakeing some rules. hope that answers some questions  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.239.49.109 (talk).
  • The term farming is used in the gaming community to the equivalent of "camping" in Runescape, where a player stays at a certain place for a long while for the sole intention of moneymaking. TD's or Dragons could be considered farming, for an example. But truthfully the term is used more in that first paragraph above.

Buyer macros not down[edit source]

"A new feature (buy X) was also added for main stocks, whilst a buy 50 option is used in the player stocks. As a result, autobuying bots are very rare, if there are any of them left."

This isn't 100%. I saw many vial buyer, raw bird buyer etc bots.

OMG[edit source]

Someone accused me of being a bot, what can I do to prove I'm not before I get blocked, they already reported me. Answer on my talk page please. Nman649

Botting, the pillar of the rs economy[edit source]

Hi guys,

I'm here to have an argument, lol. My point is this: Botting/macroing is the pillar of the runescape economy, where would the mages be without the runecrafters, where would the runecrafters be without the ess miners? All three of those tasks are easily done with a bot. Where would the rangers be without the fletchers, where would the fletchers be without the woodcutters? again all three tasks can be done with a bot. Where would pkers be without cooked sharks, where would the cookers be without and endless supply of raw fish? again, all can be done with a bot.

I hope you are getting the point, without botters the rs economy would crash, prices would soar, and gold pieces would soon be worthless, sure botters can be annoying but they also fill a huge hole, do you want to make your own runes, arrows, armour, weapons etc? No you'd rather do what you love doing and avoid the rest?

Anyways i hope i have opened some eyes,

Cheers,

M4d St4ts

What about the professional woodcutters and fishers, people who spend hours getting there levels up and even longer getting the logs and fish. Just because JaGex gets rid of bots dosen't mean that the skill pures are just going to vanish and gold sinks like summoning, construction and mobilising armies are their specifically to prevent inflation. Also, sign your bloody posts this is a "talk" page not the "letter to Grandma" page.--Gbadude3 01:27, September 4, 2009 (UTC)


Mr M4d St4ts point was bots gather raw materials like essence for the rune crafters so I'm not entirely sure how listing more raw materials that we have bots to thank for gathering is a counter arguement. He didn't mention skill pures so I'm not sure what your talking about there, he also didn't mention inflation so what is your post all about? Also, I'm not going to sign this because thats what I'd do if i was sending a letter to my Grandma but this is a talk page.


come on it's not like there's no other way to get essence or other resources! if bots weren't doing it all it'd be a much more attractive money-maker for legit players. we'd still get our ess, just we'd buy it from players who've actually played the game not just let a program gather it all for them.


we would buy it from players at 10X the price it is and be loseing money runecrafting if bots werne't doing it for us....

That would also mean legit players would make 10x more money than usual, so that point of yours is obsolete.


You don't seem to acknowledge that resource gathering was programmed into the game so that PLAYERS could carry out the tasks and make money. Mining was not put into the game so that it could be botted so smithers/runecrafters would be able to train cheaply. Mining was put into the game so that people could get money from mining if they prefer it to combat. Taking the stance that botters are good essentially is saying that you think that skills are obstacles preventing people from training combat or raising levels, that is not what this game was created to be about. You call botters the pillar of the economy but it is the pillar or the economy that botting has created. I used to earn great money by skilling in RSC and since the rise of botting skilling is hardly a viable money-making option. People will go where the money is and if there is a fish shortage there will be plenty of people that will go and fish to take advantage of the price increase. As of now fish are worth less that I've ever seen them before and while this is good for people training combat this is no good at all for fishers looking to make money. Fishing is a skill just like attack, defence, and stength. It isn't fair that fishers make less money while people training combat get cheaper food. Of course now there are even bots fighting slayer monsters so training combat makes much less money. Bots have recently advanced to the point that they can fight slayer monsters for their drops. Players who have obtained 85 dungeoneering will even use bots to kill frost dragons. Wherever there is money to be made, Bots will be there. Whatever it is you do to make money in runescape there will be someone developing a bot to do it. There is nothing stopping bots from fighting Nex for drops except for the technology put into them and they will without a doubt try to advance them to that point. You may have no problem with bots when they don't interfere with what you do, but the bots would have no problem stealing your kills when they advance to that point and when they do you may understand what it feels like to try to make any money mining, woodcutting, fishing, or runecrafting. -Elpasojerry- June 7th, 2011

Removed incorrect info[edit source]

I have removed this part from the "identifying macroes" section:

"Will not respond to private, clan or public chat."

because it is not against any rules to ignore the chat (they even have the ability to turn chat off) and a good bot can detect chat and respond.

--Muhahaa 15:17, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Some bots have people behind them, they could enter some chat.

What's your's is mine! Darkheartl Buh-Bum Buh-Bum Buh-Bum

Full Slayer Helmet! 11:31, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Permitaley banned[edit source]

Is it true that you can be baned after just 1 offence of botting?Philyboy2010 21:29, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

Absolutely. I experimented with a macroing program a few years back and got the account I was using perm-banned in a day. --Aburnett(Talk) 22:33, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

My account was banned because when i was away my friend used my acount to bot. How to i get unbaned?

This is what you get for giving away your password/using macros. In your appeal, mention that someone else had the password. Then it will most likely get locked and you will have to verify that you are the true owner of the account. If Jagex buys your story, you could be unbanned. Of course you would most likely leave the situation with a few black marks since you claimed to have shared your account.  Panjy16  22:57, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

my friend gave the account back to me but the damage is done. do you think they will unblock me? and how come the evidence category says none?

and how long will it take cuz its already been 2 days?

Say you got hacked. Also, your bots must suck. I have been botting for a year and have been noticeably reported and still haven't been banned. FTW!

Ivy?[edit source]

It said that bots/macros could be at the Ivy plants. Why is that? I mean, the ivy plant doesn't give any logs, only xp. they would probably be at the yew trees, don't you think? RS Report 19:23, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

Fast levels so they can chop magic? Birds nest? I don't know, but it can probably be removed. Dragnmn talk cont 16:56, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Its for EXP, so they can resell the accounts. 99WC is worth $50-$100

There is NO WAY 99WC accounts are worth $50-$100....I tried selling my 99wc account and was offered $5


Botters at ivy: xperience on skillers, mains, and faster yews as mentioned above. Macroers still have to be set up by humans, so there is a background planning. 201.23.16.7 05:59, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

What to do against bots[edit source]

Well, once I was at the Varrock Rune Shop place, and there was a HUGE amount of macroers. I read the article and started closing the door. Immediately all the people started running around like crazy in circles over and over again. I also tried to stand on Aubury and that worked pretty well. Reporting them is no use as there are so many you cant report all of them. Eventually the door opens and they win.... :( ..What can be done to hinder them further? Any ideas? What about other bots in other places? If you had the same experience this would be the place to write it.

What's your's is mine! Darkheartl Buh-Bum Buh-Bum Buh-Bum

Full Slayer Helmet! 11:29, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

brilliant tip, thanks! i'm gonna go try it now and report all the bots it outs.
my own personal way is to follow the bot for a while, talking about what they're doing exactly that is bot-ish and non-human such as following the exact same route every single time or wahetever in the hopes that jagex will read my messages when they view the abuse report.


Is the auto talker allowed? i have used it for years and no bans.


No it isn't. Mute 24 hrs for first offence. I tried lol. Btw to stop them use a dwarf multicannon on the front door. Also I know bots that work for people standing on aubury

An bot for anti-bot?[edit source]

Is it allowed to make a bot which closes doors to ruin macros?

I often go to the Rune-shop in Varrock to sabotate for bots!


  • this would be possible but then you would be brakeing a rule trying to fix the problem we should just leave it up to jagex's built in bot-detecter


They dont HAVE a bot-detector, even if they did it wont work, now the bots have a script to fight off the effects.

Jameswizard8 23:38, January 24, 2011 (UTC)jameswizard6, (my runescape account) Jameswizard8 23:38, January 24, 2011 (UTC)jameswizard8 (my wiki account) A WIZARD THAT SUMMOUNS JAMES'S (and is also crazy about james :3)

Incorrect Term[edit source]

While it's somewhat adequately defines in the rules, the common definition for a macro is incorrect. Things like Mousekeys (even though Jagex has said they don't mind it specifically) are macros, and not all macros are bots. I'm not sure where the start of this is, whether it's Jagex's misunderstanding (similar to the noob argument) or it's a player misunderstanding, but shouldn't it at least be noted in the wiki that it's bots that are illegal, and not macros?


First, we'd need a clear definition of "bot" and similarly of "macro". I'll work on that. --Joel amos Talk Contribs 15:49, July 2, 2010 (UTC)



Actually, it seems that this article should be named "Bot" instead of "Macro". The following definitions are from me based on information I read:


Macro: a program that runs a series of commands in a loop.

(Example of this is AutoTalker. AutoTalker simply types out and "says" that same thing over and over and over and over)

Bot: a more complex program that uses information on the screen to determine what command to execute next.

(Example: When a player's inventory is full of logs, the bot program recognises it, and goes to bank them. When it sees that a tree just respawned, it clicks on it.)

Note: most bots only recognise the Safe Mode RuneScape graphics.

In my opinion, it would make more sense if this article was redirected to "Bot" or "Bot/Macro" and have the article explain thoroughly what each one is (once we get a better understanding of each). The reason being is that most players are using bots and not macroes. --Joel amos Talk Contribs 16:38, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

I was referring to the comp sci definitions of Macro, which is "a rule or pattern that specifies how a certain input sequence (often a sequence of characters) should be mapped to an output sequence" (wikipedia) In this case, and in MMOs as a whole, it refers to the use of one input method to work for another, in example, using a numpad to generate mouseclicks via MouseKeys, or say in WoW, setting a hotkey to use multiple abilities or items at once. Yes, a macro can be set up to generate more than one output to an input, but not all of those are against the rules either (for example, a hotkey to right-click, move down x pixels, and left click, because it only causes one action of the character, does not break the rule of pairs).
Further, the term bot, short for robot (meaning an automated, self-contained program or system), is what's against the rules. A macro is only directly against the rules when it automates responses, at which point, it is a bot. (Also, bots come in two flavors, input-readers and output-readers, one responds to information sent to the client, the other responds to colors, patterns, or images on the screen).
All bots are against the rules, and all bots are macros, but not all macros are bots; otherwise, lots of alchers would be banned a long time ago. Aitamen 06:12, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Where r they?[edit source]

I NEVER see any bots. I really want to see one up close. Even south of Falador, none. What worlds do they like? The less busy ones? 69.176.183.250 00:58, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

They're a bit rarer now that the anti-RWT measures were put in place. You might not be able to find much anymore, but, the best thing to see may be the busy worlds, as the resources respawn a bit faster than less populated worlds. ~MuzTalk 01:01, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
Thank You very much! 69.176.183.250 21:10, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
Try the yew trees by the Misthalin Training Center of Excellence
I removed a section of the article. Quote: "(using bots for more than 4 or 5 hours without having it take breaks will almost certainly result in a ban)". Theres no reason to include that information besides helping people that use bots, which are illegal.

Rollbacks[edit source]

Somebody please reseacrh rollbacks.


I spent an hour writing a very eleebrate article, and some jerk removed it.


Theres new modern rollbacks for botters, can someone put my article bakc ro whatever.

You could look in the page's history. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 02:15, November 23, 2010 (UTC)
Me------
Thank you so much mate! I apreaciate it!
It would be nice if you cited some of that and remove the speculations ("We may expect an update concerning the offence system in the nearest future." like that). Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 02:21, November 23, 2010 (UTC)
Yeh, I will, also, Someone said i named bot programs lol. Like java is a bot progrma.
JDK isnt a bot progrma either, no more than the intenret is becuase runescape is on i tand bots are on runescape.
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Can someone else, preferably a established user write the article? For some reaosn, some editors want runescape users to remain ignoratn of the new reprecusiones/devoplmetns for botting.
Also, is it any secret that Java and JDK are sued to program Java files (which runescape is built on)?
I sure didnt think it was a secret.
"a established user" of those who undid your edits were 2 administrators and a bureaucrat (one level higher than an admin). They are very well established. Just explain here why you think this should be in the article and cite some of it, and please spell check yourself. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 03:23, November 23, 2010 (UTC)
I just feel liek this is an important new devopment, and the rs community is genrally ingorant of botting in general.
How many people know what JDK is?
How many people know about the new rollbacks and thier root cuase?
This is an encopedia, our job is to educate.

Opening paragraph[edit source]

The opening paragraph does a rather poor job of clarifying the different uses of the term "AFK" and what counts as "legitimate." The paragraph doesn't give any example of a non-bot bannable AFK offence and really trips up the flow to the next paragraph. Ablm578Talk 19:09, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

The rise of botting.B[edit source]

Botting has increased since 2008. Almoast everywhere you go, you will see bots. However, many are in disquise and cannot be identified easily.


With the wilderness coming back, bots will increase dramaticaly! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 173.202.225.153 (talk) on 23:43, January 19, 2011 (UTC).

Firemaking[edit source]

There are tons of firemaking bots out there. I can easily tell without doing anything. From the bots motion it does a pattern. It burns about 5 logs without fast clicking and normal clicking like you would do at a lower level of firemaking. Then the 6th and 7th burn does the fast fire click which burns 2 logs without the motion of the character kneeling down and lighting it. And then it repeats. Its really easy to see this. I see alot of them in my home world 114 which is 1500totals xD. So sad! It tries to trick someone because when they see him fast click they might forget about it. I have studied this and found out. And then it repeats. Its really easy to see this. I see alot of them in my home world 114 which is 1500totals xD. Just watch for those guys..



Once i was firemaking there and there were a lot of people thought i was botting. I got reported by around 10-20 people eventhough i was trying to talk to them. Also after that they tryed to trap me by using traps which only made me mad. so after that i never did firemaking at world 114 any more. i have never gotten reported on world 48... i find that strange.

Ways to stop a macro[edit source]

The article says marker plants work... But I suppose other, older, methods work too. It's still possible to move a summoning familar in there, teleother someone and crash the bot this way or put a dwarven multicannon near it. (Last one especially for non-advanced firemaking bots)

--Zorak plorak - Talk Hiscores 07:24, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Looking like a flax?[edit source]

Generally speaking, the "putting on equipment that makes you look like a piece of flax" thing to catch macroers won't work. Only a very unadvanced bot would fall for this; most bots recognise that flax, like all objects in-game, has an ID number, and the bot will search for an object corresponding to that ID number on the ground, and then click on that spot to pick the flax. Very few bots look at the appearance of the object, so dressing up to look like flax will very rarely work. XJoMan112x 19:25, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

If there was bot hunting equipment that would make players have an ID number like the items then that would work.Duck171 12:00, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Page for stopping bots?[edit source]

Seeing that bots are rising by an ungodly large number per day, I think it's about time we did something to stop them. Should we create a page to tell others how to stop bots? I completed every Quest so far! Sir Fairfang Woot! 99 Magic! 10:13, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

This would actually be a very bad idea, as it would allow macro programmers to patch their bots very easily against common methods. I do, however, agree that we now play BotScape. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 19:21, June 11, 2011 (UTC)

New sightings?[edit source]

is it just me or they're starting to assault the air, water and earth altars? Extreme133 05:22, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

not to mention they're not exactly using stereotypical names from the last botting event. Extreme133 05:25, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Semi-protect[edit source]

Can someone semi-protect this page for a while to help prevent the vandalism on the page? Smithing 02:23, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

There don't appear to be any sysops around.. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 02:24, April 27, 2011 (UTC)
It's been done now. Smithing 02:25, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

Ask a Botter / Large Botting Community Manager / Bot & Script Developer[edit source]

Hey guys. I've been embedded fairly deep in the RS cheating scene for quite a few years, and stumbled upon this page. There's a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding going around about how bots work, how to stop them/why they fail sometimes, and more.

I figure that a topic can be started here and questions can be asked and answered with 100% accurate answers, so bots can be further understood by the general RuneScape community. Please, ask away. I'll be checking fairly often so post as many questions as you want. Madness v2.0 08:03, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Semiprotection[edit source]

Because unregistered users have been vandalizing the article and posting links to actual macro downloads, the page has been semiprotected for three months. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 19:19, June 11, 2011 (UTC)

History[edit source]

I added some history from my knowledge and sources about the history of bots. I know Xx Jut xX help make AutoRune because his friend Dogg told me he was involved with the making before he was banned for duping, and plus I was in Kaitnieks clan back in RSC with Dogg, Xx Jut xX, of course Kaitnieks. More of the recent stuff was from research.

If you have a problem I guess remove it, but it is vaulable information that is historical now to Runescape!  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by IRanOverTheEasterBunny (talk).

It had to be removed because you mentioned several botting sites. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 06:16, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

Stopping/disrupting bots[edit source]

Where is the consensus by the community to not add this information? While the methods found are temporary, they should be listed while they work. Unless of course you have some bots you do not want messed with.--Degenret01 00:23, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Instead of disallowing methods, we should list known methods that will screw the bots up. Yes, they will often only work for a short time, but better to allow players at least some time of not competing with bots than none at all. The methods should be simple and if we get too many, we can make a page for them and link to it. Maybe keep this page semiprotected to stop any nonsense from getting added.--Degenret01 05:31, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

There are none in F2P, script writers know people like you ;). As for P2P, dwarf multicannon and gnome ball are the only ones I can think of, but script writers can just update their scripts so that it won't work anymore.

Bot busting[edit source]

Maybe a bot busting page or section to this page could be added as it has become popular among players and sometimes jagex mods turn up Farming cape (t).pngCarbonZeroX Coins 10000.png 17:30, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

AFK training redirect.[edit source]

Why does AFK training directly redirect here? AFK can be done honestly watching TV and doing the usual behaviour when a task is finished (like banking monkfish and fishing again). There are AFK that do NOT use a macro, like aggressive low-level NPCs with an altar close and no more input, or never-dieing NPCs (the Black Knight Titan, which JaGEx has adressed partially, reducing xp.) There also should be a mention of macroers on AFK training. This an encyclopaedia, let's fill it up.201.23.16.7 03:39, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

AFK training is the term Jagex uses to describe a macro. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 04:35, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Could someone please explain to me why my bot armor image was deleted and undone? All I did was try to help, and no reason was given for its removal, so I tried to redo it, but unfortunately, it was removed, so it ended up being undone again due to the lack of image. Unless you can provide a reason, I will re-upload the image and keep re-doing it until a reason is given. M838383m 02:15, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

We don't do things without reason here. Why would you reupload a previously deleted image? It was deleted for a reason. The reason being that we shouldn't stereotype people who do wear that kind of armor to make people think they are bots. It's not really a necessary image. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 02:18, August 15, 2011 (UTC)
Ok, I'm sorry I did that; I didn't realize that it would be a problem. I am now aware that it was deleted for a reason, even though no reason was given at the time. I thought that putting it under the Identifying and Reporting Marcos section, which had the warning "keep in mind that players who display the following characteristics are not always bots." wouldn't cause too much harm, and that it might be a good visual aid next to the section which describes the gear. Besides, several players in the Turoth Swarm picture have similar gear, so I thought that it wouldn't be a problem, as far as stereotyping goes. I also thought that it wouldn't be considered stereotyping as I never said that EVERYONE who wears this is a botter; only that many botters use this setup, or a similar one, which is true. And if a player happens to have this set of armor, they can simply change it, or make it well known that they AREN'T a botter, since these stereoptypes definitely exist in the game among players, and it is likely that a player will accuse the player of botting, even though they may have never even read this article. The other pictures have typical bot setups included in them; the only real difference is mine has bot gear in the stats interface, instead of the bot itself in action.
Again, I'm sorry that I stereotyped every legit player who uses a Granite Body look as a no-good botter. 98.176.184.137 03:09, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

ClusterFlutterer[edit source]

Anyone think that ClusterFlutterer may deserve it's own page? In my opinion, it should but what do you guys think? Shinydarkrai94 20:54, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

I wish it would be worthy of its own page, but I doubt Jagex will give sufficient information to make it worth having a separate article for it. If the section on it has enough info, however, it can be easily moved to its own article when the time comes. MarkGyver (talk) 00:28, October 25, 2011 (UTC)
Long live ClusterFucker  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 134.214.219.72 (talk). <---- uhm, OKAY, WHO SED DAT @#!'""
I agree. It needs its own article. Plenty of info regarding this 'event' is circulating the forums and we can have many section within it. E.G. Before, Aftermath, Reception, Bonus Events as a result of bot nuking day, etc. 75.72.232.233 00:46, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

It may be too early to be discussing this but are the Common Hotspots and Stopping Bots section necessary anymore? Xhanort7 20:16, October 25, 2011 (UTC)


I think It does to be honest, My reason being if it was a page, people would be more inclined to add categories like Before, After and Reception/Review in the After section, I know there has been a LOT of Bot Developer quotes circulating in the forums claiming it wouldn't be that tricky to overcome.

Someone should look into it. Full slayer helmet.png NeoSlayer X5 fullslayerhelmet.gif | — NeoSlayer X5 (talk)} 22:44, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

In addition, I've collected quite a few quotes from Jmods and even a few '3rd party' programmers who agree with Jmods that RSbuddy and other botting sites will not be able to get around this update for a long time, and that they are bluffing to prevent their fans from demanding their money back. I think we could have a fairly long section about the debate over that. Shinydarkrai94 18:23, October 27, 2011 (UTC)

Stopping Macros[edit source]

Since most bots are gone, is this section even necessary anymore? If not, we should archive it somewhere.Krayfish 13:21, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

I've said the same thing. There's no such thing as a common hotspot anymore and methods to stop them part isn't needed. Page just needs to be condenced with a lot of stuff removed. Xhanort7 19:34, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

The section in question is written more as a history piece rather than a strategy guide and as such should remain. There should be mention of clusterflutterer in this section as this is the latest action Jagex has taken to stop botting.
With regard to the question of removing more sections because of clusterflutterer, this would be a mistake. Just because there has been one action done by Jagex that has virtually eliminated botting from the game now, that doesn't mean that the people that earn a living writing the programing haven't given up just yet. While it maybe that they are gone for good there is just as strong of a possiblity that they will return and these will be the first indicators. Maybe what needs to happen is to have it rewritten to reflect this as past information instead of current and leave it alone. Quest.png Darrik Ash US serv.svg HS ALDarklight detail.png 14:50, October 27, 2011 (UTC)

Trolling Bot Forums...[edit source]

...Seems like a lot of people are doing it during this time *kaff kaff*. Is it okay to add or is it extremely irrevelent? Tribal mask (blue).png § Omzizzle § Karamja gloves 3.png 13:41, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

New thing to identify bots[edit source]

I know a very important thing that I totally miss in the section "Identifying and reporting macros": combat macro's ALWAYS have non-degradeable armor on, without any exceptions. Look at the green dragon bots: granite armor, rune armor, whip. Nothing degradeable! --El Flamingo 18:06, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

So if I wear nondegradable armour then am I a bot?

Bots can also just wear degradable armour, there is nothing stopping them. 99.249.186.121 00:52, February 28, 2012 (UTC)


Hey, Anyone know of any tips of removing bots from the mines in fallador? It's getting a bit insane, not to mention it's becoming less and less fun to play. (Also why mine ore for money or xp when bots get players to lvl 99 in no time) It ruins the economy and the prestige of the levels. Why did jagex get rid of the pick axe heads flying off and the rock monsters, this is really ruinning the game. -Johnny B Goode April 15, 2012

"Tips"? Report them, that's all you can do. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 16:20, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

No, people bot at more than level 3. Just most of the yew choppers are level 3 bots in f2p. LOL I personally bot on levels 100+.... Jagex doesn't really have all those advanced bot detecting systems. Or at least they're ineffective. Bots are so advanced that you can go around 10 hours at a time, 5 days a week and not get banned for most skills.

70.22.201.201 18:05, July 6, 2012 (UTC)Suicide Botter

Positive point of a bot?[edit source]

Although bots give players an unfair adventage against non botting players, there is at least one thing good about them. For as long as RuneScape advances on fighting them the bots become more edvanced too. This is actually something called AI or Artificial Intelligence, which is quite difficult to make. The more things are done against bots, the more the bots that survive will look like humans performing the actions. For me as a researcher of AI it gives me a little joy to see the "war" going on.

Do not get me wrong, I do NOT support the bots nor find them good for the RS economy. But from a researcher perspective they are becoming better and better which is a good sign for researchers.

Any ideas on this would be nice, maybe to add a little section to the wikia?

Again I am not supporting the bots and they are indeed leeching the fun and freedom out of RS.

 

Sincerely, Juppie WH (talk) 13:54, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

RuneScape and Goldmining Macro[edit source]

RS MODS and others believe 110% that their macro or botting detection system is right.

I have an account that has been blocked for the GOLD mining Macro, I know 20000% that this is not correct. No botting has ever been done with account.

RS forums remove anything about bots being reported as having a bug and their apeal system can not show the reported fault. They do not tell you how long an appeal will take nor do they wan't RS communities discussing these in forums.  I have now heard of others with this same fault and others who have given up fighting these bans.

Please allow others to report these faults and discuss them with others.

06:12, March 19, 2013 (UTC)1.44.95.152

RS:NOT#JAGEX sorry What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 08:01, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Neural nets / trojans[edit source]

How about a mention of neural nets and trojans? Or is this too "sensitive"? I've only played for a month, but I just began seeing bots. One guy on the official forum brags about having 250 accounts in his profile - just how do you go about this, legally? With neural nets, all you have to do is play the game for awhile, then the code mimics your behaviour. Couple this with trojans, where you either/and take over their computer / use a neural net on their character. And thus, after awhile, you've got 250 "legal" accounts... And they don't seem very clever at all. At Burthorpe, I found a character whiping rabbit butt at breakneck speed with two swords. So I go up, use firebreath, which killed 8 of them, and he just stands there, for way more than 5 mins (i managed to collect 324 raw meat in the meantime). Eventually I reported him, and off he disappeared in a second. The cursed energy bots now have body guards - if you kill ~10 of one, up comes a high level character, trying to avenge them. You just have to be sure to bank often, at 600 energy I go each time, then they never show up. This is a great way to level up too, much more xp than green dragons, and at no challenge! I even tried a bronze dagger just for fun, was no problem. If you want to keep your equipment, all you need is 25 prayer for Protect Item. With just 4 bots, you can make 2x the amount of cursed energy, compared to doing it by yourself. If the crackers were clever, they'd at least equip the bot with a weapon... I just saw a new world record too: player816861, that's a whole lot of players... The question is, when will BvB come? Or botkilling botkilling bots? Are we already there? {Tomas Emma (talk) 21:25, 30 September 2020 (UTC)}