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4 parts of the mahjarrat Bilrach[edit source]

So there are 4 Kal'Gerion demons, and there are 4 parts to a mahjarrat; smoke, blood, shadow, and ice (miasmic was only added for pvp). I would say that:

  • K'ril Tsutsaroth = blood - Is dark red
  • To'Kash the Bloodchiller = Ice - Is in an icy enviroment and is light blue
  • Bal'lak the Pummeller = Shadow - Since in its enviroment it drains defence if you step on the green portal things, opposite of shadow which drains your attack level
  • Har'Lakk the Riftsplitter = Smoke - It poisons you just like the smoke spells

Since K'ril Tsutsaroth is extremely bigger than the other 3 demons, I would say that the blood part of Bilrach is much more bigger than any other part, I would say that his powers relates to the blood size of the mahjarrat.

--This is only a theory--

Opinions?XXstaticXX 03:32, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

can anyone change the articale?there is n history or anything about demons pray power?(they all have a power over prayer somehow)

K'ril Tsutsaroth is not a KG demon based on the information Jagex has given us. UNCONFIRMED and UNCONFIRMABLE.[edit source]

Hi. If you're here to add K'ril Tsutsaroth back to the "Kal'Gerion demons" section, please do not. It is not confirmed that he is a KG demon anywhere in-game or otherwise said by Jagex. If you can find exact proof that he is one, post it here and I'll have a look-see, but until then, don't add his name to that section. I'm sick and tired of removing it. Let me refute the points you would probably post;

  • "He looks like Bal'lak/Har'lak/To'kash, he must be a KG demon!"

...SO? Just because he looks like these three confirmed KG demons, that does not mean he is one. For all we know, Jagex could've just gotten lazy and reused K'ril's model for Bal'lak/Har'lak/To'kash. Also, Yk'lagor is the fourth confirmed KG demon, but he does not look like K'ril/Bal'lak/Har'lak/To'kash. Appearance doesn't mean shit, so stop using it as your argument. Looks do not "make the demon" just because you say so.

  • "It's in the chronicles of Bilrach, he said so!"

No, he sure as hell did not. K'ril may have been summoned by Bilrach to the realm, and he may still be present in the realm (whatever "realm" means, he's in the GWD), but not once have the chronicles confirmed that K'ril is a KG demon.

The chronicle which states the above is part 16. Here it is.

Year 1645 of the 4th age:

Centuries have passed since I awoke, but, still, there has been no sign or word of the others. Pathetic. I see now why He chose me as his second in command. If the creation and summoning of the mighty Tsutsaroth demon for Him wasn't a sign that I am worthy of that title, what I am doing now will be. None of the others dare to do this; none of the others have power to do this; none of the others have the focus to do this.

They settle for scrabbling around with what is left and they will be punished for their lack of faith. Curious, I still feel the presence of K'ril in this realm...

Zamorak be praised!

  • All demons down there are Kal'Gerion and he has the looks.

Did you notice that K'ril isn't "down there"? K'ril is busy fighting in the GWD, he's not in Daemonheim. Read above, similar looks don't mean shit.

  • I'm not speculating, it's da trooths!

Rly? Show me undeniable proof, please. Again, post below with the journal page/part, send me a screenshot, I don't care. Just do it. If you can't find proof, you are speculating, and speculation is not allowed, especially if you are trying to pass it off as the truth.

I'm not directing this message at anyone in particular, just anyone who has the above arguments. If you'd like to argue with me, feel free. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 18:51, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Other than Yk'Lagor, K'ril looks exactly like the other Kal'Gerions, he even has the same attacking stance (as seen in the pics on the Kal'Gerion page, in part 16 it says that Bilrach created/found him. However, this does not mean that he is Kal'Gerion. As a matter of fact, how could Kal'Ger be leading K'ril if he is in GWD? He is Zamorak's General, so I doubt he would answer to anyone but Zamorak.Forgotten warrior (primal).png Tako Manz Sign me!Forgotten warrior (primal).png 23:02, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your support. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 18:32, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

@ScionCrush: Fine, I'll let you have Yk'Lagor as a "high rank" instead of general for now. Regarding your "why not K'ril?", SERIOUSLY? I've stated numerous times already, even in the article, for you to read the talk page. Don't ask "why" when I've already provided an answer.

As for the edit I'm about to make, the Kal'Gerion is currently only known to exist in Daemonheim, nowhere else on RuneScape. As such, only lesser/greater/black demons in Daemonheim have a chance of being part of the Kal'Gerion. Random lessers found in the Wilderness Volcano, for example, are not Kal'Gerion based on what we know. That is why I've specified it to Daemonheim only. We can't assume all demons are part of the Kal'Gerion, that's ridiculous. Zimberfizz is quite a nice little guy, to be honest, I see no way he could be following Bilrach and his higher ranked cronies. (Examples, again). Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 18:32, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, your watching this this the wrong eyes, let me give you an example, we have a "Fire Lizard" population in Australia, and we have a "Fire Lizard" population in China, just because they live in different place doesn't mean they are a different specia, see what I did here? And sorry mister, I din't know you were Driz-Master-of-Kal'Gerion-Article, you don't rule it mk? And about K'ril, this is so bloody stupid it wrecks the patience I have, I find it curious that Bilrach CREATED a DEMON (DEMON) [DEMON] {DEMON} --->DEMON<--- after finding a race of powerful DEMONS, again, just because he is blooby trapped in the GWD Dungeon doesn't mean it's a different especies/race/whatever, as a matter in fact, it is same to assume his bodygurds are Kal'Gerion too since they are a form of Lesser, Greater and Black demons (even though Black demons aren't mentioned it is safe and easy to assume that too), and btw, this is what Wikipedia has to say about what a race is "In biology, races are distinct genetically divergent populations within the same species with relatively small morphological and genetic differences." Further proving my point that K'ril and Lesser/Greater/Black demons outside Deamonheim are Kal'Gerion too, however it is sad that there is no more comfirmation about Imps and other Demons because they might be Demons from another Race (God I hate to explan stuff). ScionCrush 19:33, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but Kal'Gerion refers to the demons under the command of Kal'Ger, not a race. I'm fairly sure that K'ril is an Elder Demon (I believe it says so on his page), the 5 confirmed Kal'Gerions may be (and probably are) Elder Demons as well, however, there is no proof that K'ril is under the command of anybody but Zamorak, therefor, he should not be on this page. Maybe we should put in the Trivia section that K'ril may be a Kal'Gerion or that he is the same race as (most of) the Demons that are known to be Kal'Gerion.Forgotten warrior (primal).png Tako Manz Sign me!Forgotten warrior (primal).png 22:57, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

@Scion: Exactly what he^ said. You can't compare species in the real world to AN ARMY in RuneScape. The Kal'Gerion are not a damn species, they are an army led by Kal'Ger. Demons are no born Kal'Gerions, they must join. You are not born are high school student, you have to work your way up to that through 9 years of elementary and middle school. I never said I was the owner of any article at all, and I'm not acting like one. Just because I have some valid information with conforms to RS:NOT#CRYSTAL, and I'd like to implement it to prevent others from adding assumed information, that doesn't mean I'm trying to rule this damn article. You keep saying "it's safe to assume", well, no, it's really not. Jagex is unpredictable in their storylines unless they tell them to us and they haven't fully yet. You can't assume, it's against our policy. We are not a crystal ball, speculation on such a serious note (by that I mean the fact that you're calling it the truth on the article) is not allowed. I have to leave now, but I'll be back later to check for a reply. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 10:45, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

I am not adding speculation, I have facts that prove my point, but if you want to think I'm a 10 year old with a vivid imagination do so, I won't keep adding stuff to an already small article, fine, I'll leave. ScionCrush 17:10, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

@Scion: Based on real-world information (such as genetic divergence), you've made assumptions that K'ril is a member of the Kal'Gerion. You've said it yourself once or twice "I assume". You can't assume things and put them into the article as fact. While your assumptions may be likely from one person's point of view, that does not override our policies of no speculation or assumptions shown as fact on mainspace articles. The only pieces of evidence that would confirm that K'ril is a KG demon are ones directly from Jagex's mouth, AKA, in-game text/in-game chat/in-game interfaces/in-game items/Facebook/Twitter/ Forums/interviews/ ETC. I think Bilrach is planning to give Zamorak tea and cookies if they should ever meet up, based on evidence X, Y, and Z, but does that merit a place on Bilrach or Zamorak's article as a fact? No, not at all, quite the opposite.

I'd appreciate it if you didn't accuse me of thinking such things of you, you bring up some sensible arguments and you obviously aren't just mindlessly imagining.

Trust me, you're not the only one who's impatient and tired of explaining things to people. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 19:32, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

With the release of some of the newer floors, the Kal'Gerion demons now no longer look like K'ril Tsutsaroth, so there goes that line of argument. Any others out there?

Quest.png Morte369 Hexcrest detail.png 14:41, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

Lesser/Greater/Black Demons[edit source]

When did Jagex say that they were Kal'Gerion?Forgotten warrior (primal).png Tako Manz Sign me!Forgotten warrior (primal).png 22:55, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

I'm personally a bit against this, as Jagex hasn't been specific with us to say that these demons are part of the Kal'Gerion. However, they have said that, generally, the Kal'Gerion is made up of Kal'Ger, 5 generals, and then the "rank-and-file fodder", meaning lower ranks/demons than the generals. I suppose this means demons such as lessers/greaters/blacks, but who knows, maybe it could be a new type of demon or something?
After typing this, it seems that this is also an assumption and speculation, which is not allowed. Unless I come across a lesser demon in Daemonheim and he screams "I'm part of the Kal'Gerion!", then we have no other proof to verify that they are. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 18:38, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
Quote from Kal'gerion notes 1: "The rank and file of Kal'Gerion demons are essentially lesser and greater demons as the rest of the world knows them.", it is safe to assume Black Demons can enter that category as Jagex was a bit vague with that explanation. ScionCrush 19:35, September 20, 2010 (UTC)