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Reformists?[edit source]

"They acknowledge Saradomin as the successor to Armadyl and Zamorak to Zaros. They say that Armadyl gave Saradomin the power of a god and Zamorak took it from Zaros. Armadyl hid away in his realm. Zaros was forced into his realm."

Perhaps that is slightly inaccurate?  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Musashi Miyamoto (talk) on 07:04, 2011 August 26 (UTC).

It's supposed to describe what the reformists believe, not whether or not what they believe is true, I think.Talk to meTHARKONMy adventurer's log 22:06, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
The comments about the Gods succeeding each other is false. Can somebody please name a NPC that states that? 21:49, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
Actually, who or what are reformists indeed? It got added here: Revision as of 21:27, 2008 April 24. There also used to be a page about Reformists that got deleted four times, not sure what the content was or why it was deleted but it's worth mentioning when discussing this subsection (that used to refer to that page). Talk to meTHARKONMy adventurer's log 14:58, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
I have, btw, actually never really heard a distinction like that (modernist, reformists, a.o., etc.) in the game itself. or on a blog does anyone know about this? Where it came from? . . . Yours, This user admires the Void Knights. Who aim to maintain Gielinor's Equilibrium. Enquidou Talk This user likes to do Quests and genuinely loves the story line; lore is his love! . . 17:18, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

King Roald[edit source]

how is king roald a guthix follower? he leads a huge saradominist nation, and as far as i know he does not show any signs of being a guthixian, as far as i know. could anyone shed some light on this please?

Please clarify by quoting the specific section from the article. 21:51, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
Come'on, he's clearly not a Guthixian. He's a king that tries to run a pluralistic kingdon/city in a secular fasion, most likely. I suspect he's a Saradominist himself, but maybe his religious views haven't even crystalised for himself. But I'm positive he isn't a Guthixian. (Hence I was so free to remove his name from the list in the article.) . . . Yours, This user admires the Void Knights. Who aim to maintain Gielinor's Equilibrium. Enquidou Talk This user likes to do Quests and genuinely loves the story line; lore is his love! . . 08:43, September 9, 2011 (UTC)
Wow, indeed, there's even part of a quest dedicated to the conflict between Roald and the Edicts. Talk to meTHARKONMy adventurer's log 14:38, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

Guthix as It[edit source]

While Guthix may or may not be an 'it' the traditional grammatical use of terms such as he, she or it is not to capitalize them. It's a convenience tool, not another name, so Guthix should be called 'it' not 'It'. Slight difference, but it would vastly improve the flow of the start of the article.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) on 09:40, 2012 January 12 (UTC).

I agree, but it seems it was done this way to make the article clearer. Talk to meTHARKONMy adventurer's log 16:14, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

Is this thing right?[edit source]

"During the quest Meeting history, it is possible to left click Guthix at a certain angle, consequently having his left click menu name comes up as "Water trough"."

What if there is a water trough behind him in the cutscene? That explains the requirement of "certain angle" -.-

Jeree95 16:29, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

Godsword[edit source]

Guthix don't have a Godsword.

It should have one.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) on 21:25, February 4, 2012 (UTC).

No, it should not, it did not participate in the wars. Talk to meTHARKONMy adventurer's log 20:29, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
The Godswords were made due to the Gods who participated in the God Wars during the third age, in which Guthix was asleep, and woke up, and stopped it. Although there isn't one for Zaros(Ancient), but that was probably because Nex was basically leading the army, not Zaros himself.
JeffGC64 (talk) 05:05, September 18, 2012 (UTC)JeffGC64

Ent[edit source]

Ent's are Guthixian units in the game armies of gielinor [1].

-- K'ril Tsutsaroth chathead.png Quilafa Guthix chathead.pngTalkBandos chathead.png 21:13, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Guthix sleeps... refrence to Hindu creation myth?[edit source]

I was wondering if some-one knows more about the Hindu creations myths than I do... I've heard/read that when the 'god' Brahma goes to sleep the world will perish in fire. This could be refering to the chaos and destruction (wilderness) of/on Gielinor during the God Wars, etc. Also the genderlessness is an interesting paralel to me.

Does anyone have ideas on this? Thanks!! . . . Yours, This user admires the Void Knights. Who aim to maintain Gielinor's Equilibrium. Enquidou Talk This user likes to do Quests and genuinely loves the story line; lore is his love! . . 17:20, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah i think this is true, I think alot of things from the religion of guthix are based on Hhinduism/Budhism. Not sure if jagex made a reference or if its pure conincidence though. 17:00, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

The World Wakes[edit source]

So if Guthix dies at the end of The World Wakes...what happens to his followers and everything? 

Halki of Haalisis (talk) 21:05, March 4, 2013 (UTC)*HALKI*Halki of Haalisis (talk) 21:05, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

Nothnig, his followers will still follow his teachings, and everything will be the same, until teh next quest comes out and the gods returns.Kinglink15 (talk) 03:46, March 29, 2013 (UTC)Kinglink15Kinglink15 (talk) 03:46, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

simple, his follower joined the Godless faction. to preparing war againts all godRealmguard23 (talk) 06:19, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Um.. wrong. And you are pretty late on this lol. Not all of his former followers joined Godless faction. It is known that some did, not al.Quest.png Adventurerrr Talk Quest.png 14:16, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
And their no preparing to war against the gods, their preparing to defend the world against them.Quest.png Adventurerrr Talk Quest.png 14:25, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

New switch infobox[edit source]

Added a switch function to the infobox, as the current one only showed him as a naragi and not as a deity. Better images are needed however for when he is alive/dead, feel free to provide them Gr33nday345 (talk) 23:23, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

Can Guthix really die?[edit source]

"I exist because I must exist; if I did not, then I would be created again, for the universe requires balance in all things.

Many of the deities of this land also exist because their function is required to fulfill the roles they do."

~Guthix, God Letter vol. 19

Suvindu (talk) 17:44, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

There's no contradiction there: Guthix acknowledges that someone must fulfill "his" role as the protector of balance, he just wants it to be a mortal (specifically you!) Likewise, we can assume that if no other gods had ever arrived, some mortal or group of mortal would have ended up filling their functions (so that without Bandos the Big High War God, there'd still be some mortals with a similar warlike disposition, and likewise there'd be people inclined toward chaos like Zamorak, order like Saradomin, etc.) 04:59, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

So essentially, you are the new Guthix. 05:00, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Guthix is dead, and left his power to a new player, simply meaning that if he was to die, there would be a new god of balance (in our view) that will take his place to protect the world from teh gods. Please also remember he wished to die, he could have prevented his death, or did what Zaros did (Jagex aproved this in teh Q&A) But he picked to die. Also please note that the Gods Letter isn't real lore. Kinglink15 (talk) 03:49, March 29, 2013 (UTC)kinglink15Kinglink15 (talk) 03:49, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Alignment[edit source]

As we know, Guthix is balance, but I think we also add Anima Mundi. Stated by Jagex, he is connected to the Anima Mundi, Like Seren.Kinglink15 (talk) 21:45, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

well we know that guthix had kind of relationship with seren , as stated in world wake..

and i'm serious with guthix alignment, 'balance', why he just not merge with saradomin which have 'order' alignment? because chaos wouldn't acceptable in gielinor nature, and only creating un-balance Realmguard23 (talk) 18:31, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

Correction, it wasn't stated in the World wake, it was stated in the Tribute of Guthix. And second, because his philosophy is balance, Not order. He allows all in his world, Chaos and order. You seem to be Saradominist, that's why you state what you state. But Guthix is balance, not order, he shows to allow Chaos, order, good, and evil to be allow in a world for mortal only. How so? In the world wake when u do the 2nd puzzle, you have to balance out the statement of each questions. So, if there was only order in a world, it would be false peace, and unbalance.Quest.png Adventurerrr Talk Quest.png 05:58, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

"..So, if there was only order in a world, it would be false peace, and unbalance":     Seems like The Creed of assassin...:D

    but seriously, guthix only want Peace for human or mortal like us And as a human, our mind could not naturely  accept    chaos, disorder . we are not demon, vampyre, mahjarrat   or something like that were born in harsh, hellish, chaotic enviroment. we just a peaceful creature, the younger god that made us to wage war againts each other. what mean of a peace if there are chaos in its component? And also, since when 'Chaos' would bring peace? there  are no such thing. lets say  in a country , for example. if a country is in  disorganized state could bring peace to its people? only  murder, or something like that could be found..:)
and remember, Chaos = freedom 
and bro, could i ask something? why saradomin did'nt just join with zaros if his allignment is 'order'?
Realmguard23 (talk) 18:32, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

Guthix wants peace, Balance, Nature and freedom for mortals, simple. Peace for the mortals means no gods to jump in trying to control the mortals. Guthix is in the side of Balance because he allows any creature to enter Gielinor. If their chaotic, there will always be order to jump in to stop Chaotic things. You proved my point in your small quote there, so I don't know why you keep talking about it. As for Saradomin, Zaros isn't order, He is Fate and control. as Stated in the Campfire Answer "Zaros wants the world to fall to mortals, (Like Guthix in my view) but he acknowledges that they are not safe without some rules or control; otherwise, everything will fall to chaos. So, he suggests that he watches silently, making checks and balances to ensure 'balance' is maintained. He wishes to become fate itself, and control the life of the mortals." Pretty much Saradomin didn't want to be kicked out of the World, so he tried fighting against Zaros, Because Saradomin wants only Order.
SO again, Guthix is Balance, and Balance only, was stated by Jagex, Meeting History, and The World Wake. Guthix just wants Mortals to live in a world, controling their own fate, with no god making us wage war for them. Also you are kind of wrong, Humans can be chaotic also, just takes the reason. Quest.png Adventurerrr Talk Quest.png 18:46, June 28, 2013 (UTC)
well, you right.., but, yeah human could be chaotic , but not by nature...
imagine if a big mesh.. you have a lot problem, and its really stressful just want to clarify, is that a  chaos? yes, but could  you Accept it? there must be a completion for that, maybe like organizing the problem, make a list to solve that one by one, and that is order. 
no, i'm just confuse, about the role of Chaos in peace. maybe you are right about there will be always order to stop chaos. but please, what is the purpose of chaos to make a peace condition?
well you are right at the point " guthix want peace,..., and FREEDOM" if like that, i wouldn't questioned that again. because freedom would always oppose order. but that is not my concern.
so  i ask , what is the role of chaos in creating balance? could i create a balanced world if i adding chaos to counter the Order? :)Realmguard23 (talk) 19:20, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

Well, Human can be chaotic by Nature, just needs a reason of why. I already proved so much of my point. You seems to fail the View on how Guthix wants Peace, BALANCE, NATURE, AND FREEDOM, away from the gods, he doesn't want the gods to interfere with a perfect world of balance. Where thief can live to steal, and Order can come to stop it, where then chaos of fighting and mortal war can be fought for order, and justice. In answer of your question, you pretty much answered it like 3 times already, To much Order, is unbalance, To much Chaos is unbalance. Equality of both bring peace by themselves, Chaos doesn't mean Bad things all the times, it could mean fighting against something, causing chaos, it could also mean. Again, you answered your own question like five times and at the end of your statement. Quest.png Adventurerrr Talk Quest.png 19:38, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

Gods Letter Picture.[edit source]

I been seeing, and of course no way around this. But it seems someone wishes for the Gods Letter Picture of Guthix to remain, when it was stated, it is no longer part of the lore. I understand in WGS, there was a brief image of it, but it could be the Druids thought of him when they started folowing him. I think it is best off is we talk about this, and come to a point, on what to do with that picture.Kinglink15 (talk) 19:09, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

You're taking it too far with assuming that everything from those Letters is not canon. MolMan 19:12, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
I believe I am not, for if you look at the Runescape page, IT is stated when searchnig for a Gods letter issue, it states "The God Letters were written for fun and the information contained in them is not to be considered canon unless otherwise mentioned. " SO I am not overdonig it, just making sure that the informations needed for the page is provided by facts, with proof. and not something that was done for fun from Jagex until stated otehrwise, but we are off topic here. Do we keep the Picture or not?Kinglink15 (talk) 19:22, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
That doesn't mean that everything in them is false, ya know. While they were written for fun, every joke has a kernel of truth. Take out the stuff that is questionable, but don't remove everything just because there are jokes in the texts. MolMan 19:24, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
True, but it is not proved that their real due for them making it for fun, unless stated otherwise, so it does mean everything in them is not part of the canon, Besides on where Guthix saying he shaped the world. Thats one of them, but there's other that are not true. Mostly all of them so unless Jagex mod states some are true otherwise, we can rely on them 50%, but again, we are off topic, Keep the picture, Yes or no? Kinglink15 (talk) 19:33, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
Apparently the picture is supported by actual canon. I've no idea, you'll need to ask fswe, who made the edit. MolMan 19:35, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
I am just looknig for a vote to keep that one, or not, if so ,we can keep it, but move it stating oen of his form, as it is comparable to teh Door at WGS. Kinglink15 (talk) 19:42, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
This is still in here. Good. Guys, The gods letter isn't Canon. Even if parts are proved in game, it is still not consider canon. THERE is no proof he ever took that form in game, in form by a JMod. I know the door in WGS shows it. BUT there is nothing stating why is that there. Unless a JMod says otherwise, OR in game it shows (Like a flash back) Then we add the source of his flying skull, but from the In game only. But as I said. There is no proof in game that he ever took that form. Plus in the Gods letter. He stated "I have no form, the picture above is a form I mostly take." That isn't true, or was true. Shows he did have a form, he was a Naragi. So please stop adding a noncanon information/picture/quote. Because we don't need it, we can eitehr replace it, if the information was put.Quest.png Adventurerrr Talk Quest.png 15:43, June 7, 2013 (UTC)
Whether or not it's true or not that he ever looked like that is irrelevant. The fact is, this is official art created by Jagex of Guthix. Guthix is shown in the game depicted looking very similar to the picture. So canonically, his druids believed him to look like that. Thus, him looking like that is "otherwise stated". Adventurer's log Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon.png 17:35, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
yes, it is an art from Jagex. But it is a Gods letter art. Guthix in game was not shown in the game at all to take that form. if you want, add the Picture of the door stating a Depicted form that the druid believe of Guthix. But we would be speculating if there is no proof that he took that form, or was it stated by Jagex.Quest.png Adventurerrr Talk Quest.png 17:48, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Tier[edit source]

"Godhood tier: 2" Where is said this? It has no references... I think that the rs wiki is not a crystal ball, Am I right? 16:23, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

It was stated in Runezone FAQ with Mod Osborne. He was in tier two, before he died.Quest.png Adventurerrr Talk Quest.png 14:19, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Past Tense[edit source]

Shouldn't the article be written in past tense? Instead of beginning with "Guthix is..." the article should begin with "Guthix was..." I understand that Guthix's death may be a spoiler, but it's a detail that is so prevalent to the upcoming story, there's no point in trying to hide it. Like how everyone knows Darth Vader is Anakin Skywalker. 20:17, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

You have a point. And not only does the wiki no longer has a policy against spoilers, since the release of RS3, Guthix' death is placed in the past and no longer considered a spoiler. They're considered to be established lore at account creation. It makes sense for such a big event to have reached the entire population, including the player, before he starts his first adventure. Talk to meTHARKONMy adventurer's log 04:20, August 6, 2013 (UTC)