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Members?[edit source]

Is it really members? Because, the lava maze in the wild is free. Sorry if I am wrong because I have not been through the whole of the Lava Maze before. Emosworld 07:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)!!

All dragons are members-only - anywhere dragons would be found P2P is empty space F2P. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 16:25, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Ok thanks. Emosworld 07:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
With the exception of Elvarg --ço¬Ø 00:46, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Kill[edit source]

I like dragons a lot (to kill). I fight them in the evil chickens lair but..

  • Should i range them with Emerald Bolts (e)
    • Ranged level 73
  • Melee them with a Dragon Halberd
    • Attack 83
    • Strength 85
  • Mage them from distance
    • Magic level 76

Buzz (Talk#P ) 11:27, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

hey, i guess ranging them is better and bring up some ranging potion and range them with emerald bolts(e) you will be very good! i hope you get a draconic visage! and good luck. you can use melee but bringing some super attack and strength potion is lot faster. but i suggest ranged. 19:25, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Ranging them is probably best. I'm ranged 74 (got 74 on them not long ago), and I use plain mithril bolts - that I made myself at blast furnace, since its cheap - and a dose of ranging potion every 3-5 kills. If your killing them just for drops, use emerald (e), if you're killing them for exp, use plain mithril - since you don't get any experience for damage done by poison. Safespot meleeing with a halberd is decent, but remember chromatic dragons are weakest to ranged and stab, and the halberd's weakest style is stab - though, tbh, your attack and strength (especially with a super attack and strength potions) will make up for it.
I wouldn't recommend magic. Chromatic dragons, like the armour their hides make, are very resistant to magic attacks. I don't recommend melee without a safespot, unless you have high attack, strength and defence/prayer levels. They hit annoyingly often though Torag's, often 15+, so using proselyte and prayer is recommended if you prefer not to use a safespot. Using a Beast of Burden is useful, as you can carry up to 6 (with terrorbird), 9 (with tortoise) or 15 (with yak) extra dragon's worth of hide/bones. Using the BoB to carry the bones is good - prevents you accidentally burying them.
Keep all hides and bones, and do any clue scrolls! I had to kill 76 for my slayer task, and in total all the hides, bones and treasure trail rewards (1 clue) amounted to over 500k! Good luck on a Draconic Visage =] Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 16:15, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
I tried killing a black dragon once and like any other lvl. 64 attempting to do so, I miserably failed. However, I did note that they are IMPOSSIBLE to hit with magic (about 1 damaging shot for every 15), and when you do get a red splat, it's usually less than 5 damage. And I was using Earth Blast. I tried to melee with a rune dagger(p++), but it didn't poison at all. It did, however, hit higher than my magic. I recommend bringing a large amount of runes for about 150 blasts of your spell (at least Wind Blast), but you definitely need an excellent weapon to kill it at all. My method (which worked longer than I would have thought possible) was to gulp a Anti-Fire (which you should keep about 2 or 3 of), load my poisoned weapon, and attempt to poison it. If I got a green splat, then I would run to a safe spot and mage it for a while, letting both my ineffectual magic (for what it was worth) combined with the poison take their toll. The dragons heal quickly, and use their breath more often than their melee attack, which didn't hit too hard on me (I was wearing full splitbark).
In the future, I'm going to try to use ranged, as it is apparently more effective (Gaz_Lloyd?). Probably a rune crossbow with ruby bolts. Bring enough food, enough potions, and definitely an antipoison or two (for the lvl. 64 Poison Spiders just before the dragons). If you need to eat, there are some convenient rocks and the ladder to the water obelisk is definitely helpful. Don't forget your teleport (usually Falador or Camelot). Good luck! Arrogios
Indeed. Magic is a bad choice - Black dragonhide armour is very often used for protecting against magic, yes? However, magic is great against metal dragons. Ranged if definatly (for black dragons) best unless you have 85-90+ attack and strength, and defence if not using protect from melee. Even then I'd still use ranged - much less dangerous. Since the release of Smoking Kills, Broad-tipped bolts are better than mithril - 59 coins per bolt as opposed to 69 c/bolt - broad-tipped hit higher than mithril but slightly lower than adamant also. I use them for general training myself as well. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 21:52, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
I'd probably use Ranged if I weren't training Melee with Slayer ATM. With 80+ Attack and Strength, you'll make profit even when using prayers. Only if I could make extreme antifires to use with Sara sword... dictature 01:55, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
Not all chromatic dragons have high Magic def. Green and Blue dragons have nearly no magic defence (I haven't tried Red dragons). Melc Crystal 18:33, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Verac's versus Rune Halberd[edit source]

I've been planning on killing black dragons for a draconic visage. I have 2 strategies, can you plz tell me which one I should use? Oh, and some tips too.

My stats:

70 attack

65 strength

70 defence

45 prayer

Others are too low!

1) Full Verac's armour to make use of its special. I'll be using protection from melee and drinking antifire potions. No shield since the flail is 2-handed.

2) Rune halberd (takes too long to do Regicide quest) and safe spots. I don't think the dragon can hit me that way.

Best not to use verac. So I recommend rune halberd. However range is a better choice I think.Santa hat.png Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 12:50, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I recomend using a d halberd actually. I tried with a rune and barely hit it. I am doing regicide atm. On the last part. I had to start from Plague City, Biohazard, and Underground Pass and this quest in only 2 days. Try to use a d halberd. Later.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Khyleboy (talk).

Clue scroll kind of common?[edit source]

I killed 16 dragons and I got 2 clue scrolls. I'm going to change it to common. Anyone who disagrees leave a note on my talk page. My proudest achievement Juliusc01Talk Click here if you think this wiki is obsessed with bunniesN W A  F T W

I've killed more than 100 dragons in a row nd have never gotten a clue scroll for them. It can't be that common, you might have been very lucky. C.ChiamTalk 04:31, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Two black dragon tasks (76 and 65) with only 1 clue scroll between them (in the 76 task). I'd say fairly rare, you were just lucky. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 19:57, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Clue scroll drops are completely random so it should be called random.

Lol all drops are completly random. The randomness is based on a probability. that is what defines it's rarity.

Not only that, but neither 16 nor 100 dragons is statistically relevent. A drop rate for clues would have to be determined over the course of thousands of drops. Perlmutter 20:53, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

Moving Picture[edit source]

I got a moving picture of the older black dragon (the one without graphics change), should I post it? --King x treme 04:49, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely, it can serve as a good historical comparison between now and then.-- 04:51, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Where should I put it once I put it on? And whats wrong with my signature? --King x treme 04:59, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Bottom left-hand corner of the page and I'm afraid I don't know what's wrong with your signature.-- 05:02, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Got a problem making the frame. Is it ok if you do it for me? --King x treme 05:23, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Err..Who removed the picture? Santa hat.png Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 10:58, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Psycho Robot - [1] Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 11:01, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Visage[edit source]

Do the even drop them? lmao ive killed at least 5k because i have exactly 6,229 hides in bank and some are from kbd. and i got visage second kill kbd and not a single one from regular blacks yet. Ranged cape.png Sir erik54 Talk Rune crossbow.png 19:14, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

in case u didn't know, most of the things in RS are based on luck, so u could get visage from black drag in first kill, or kill over 1 million and never get a vissy...and I have a friend who got a vissy from black dragons. Quest point cape detail.png Brux Talk 21:38, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

i got d claws (from tormented demons) the first kill, but i never got vissy from blk drags. its definitly luck if you get one. maybe i have luck too at blk dragons or kbd. what is better to use against kbd: melee with dfs and whip (or skimmy) att 95 str 99 def 89 or ranged (range 86) with rune c bow and antidragonshield, but with ruby bolts (e) ive been there with both methods, both work, but i cant say whats the best method, maybe someone has more experience than me.

Dragon slayer gloves[edit source]

Im pretty sure thats what there called....its those gloves you get for FOG. I posted on the article that its worth noting that you can range them for your task, and switch the dragon gloves last second, you still get the bonus xp.... any1 else think is should be in there?

A statement confused me...[edit source]

"Players with a high Attack and Strength level could also fight them in a Safe spot with a Dragon halberd, as the Special attack does decent damage on them."

I have high attack and strength and out of three special attacks in a row, only one hit out of the 6 actually does any damage. Is this the case for anyone else or am I just extremely unlucky? Black cavalier.png Zenihdrol Tribal top (blue).png 11:56, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

No, it's the same for everyone else. Melee is rubbish against black dragons. C.ChiamTalk 11:58, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
I disagree. I hit almost every other hit with dragon scim (Strength training -.-) and often hit in 30's (with super set and Chivalry). BTW, Dragon scimitar seems better than Leaf-bladed sword, even though I use Stab with the sword and Slash with the scimitar... Slash ain't so bad. Dragon halberd is inaccurate here, as is every other weapon. dictature 02:27, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

black dragin[edit source]

what is better for dragon visage steel dragon or black dragon?

drop rate stats[edit source]

also, you havent taken statistics. For statistic significance, you need actual hits, ie. drops. It doesnt matter if there 20,000 kills when you only for 2 visages. That proves absolutely nothing about the drop rate. look the abyssal demon page, that number there has 400+ whip drops, that HAS significance. What this means is that with numbers as high as the rate for visage it is really impossible for us as players to determine an accurate drop rate, unless everyone starts camping dragons and recording all of their drops. Pal2002 04:58, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

There are several visage drops listed on the forum thread that was cited. After rereading the thread, I noticed that there are actually 8 black dragon visage drops listed. However, there are 67k+ kills listed recorded for black dragons. As far as I know, that's the most information that we have on it. While it is true that this may not be enough drops to accurately predict the precise drop rate, it is enough kills to determine roughly what the drop rate is, and 1/8500 does seem to be a reasonable figure. Unless you have a better source, I say we leave it there. Besides, what's the harm in citing the source? It does have 151k+ total kills on the different types of dragons. That's a lot of data. And you mentioned that the whip drop log has a lot more drops. Well, the visage was introduced after the whip, and the visage is A LOT rarer than the whip, so it would naturally have significantly fewer drops listed than the whip. Again, I really don't see any harm in leaving the citation. It's a reliable source with a significant amount of information. Unless someone discovers a better source, it would probably be best to leave it as it was. Suppa chuppa Talk 05:14, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
Oh, and if you really want to get technical, we could list the drop rate as a 95% confidence interval or something... That way you get a more generalized view of what the drop rate looks like since there isn't much info out there. Suppa chuppa Talk 05:18, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
The primary concern for a displayed drop rate is that it will lead to price manipulations and vandalism of the rate for reason of price manipulations. I do agree that it's the best data we've got, but all that it says is that the rate is in the thousands to me. Statistically, 8/thousands is not enough to do a confidence interval. But if you really insist on a displaying a rate, put it as something like "estimated 1/8500 based on 8 drops" instead just a rate. You know some random person will believe it to be exactly that if you do it that way.

As a random funny side note, I personally got a visage from a black into my 16th ever black killed. See, if you include me that would really skew the rate. But is the drop extremely rare, of course it is. Pal2002 05:32, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Well, the thing is, no drop rates in rs mean "You will get item X after N number of kills." As such, I don't think that people will be misled to believe it to be so. However, if I misunderstood what you meant and you were stating that someone would be misled as to the actual drop rate, I don't really see if there is anything that can be done about that. I believe it would be best to state the information that we have, of course adding that the data is based on 8 drops out of ~67k kills. This should give the viewer a sense that the drop rate is really an estimate. So what do you say about that? Do you want to re-add the citation, but this time include a note stating that it's estimated based on 8 drops? And wow, that's really lucky...Suppa chuppa Talk 05:39, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
Anyway, I'm going to sleep now, so you can change it if you like. Or do whatever. Talk to you later. Suppa chuppa Talk 05:43, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
I'm gonna leave it as it is for now, you can add it later with the 'based on 8 drops' part if you really insist on it. anyways nice talking to ya. One of few sane conversations I've had on this wiki. night. Pal2002 05:45, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Level 4 Clues?[edit source]

Looking at the List of clue scroll dropping monsters I saw that it said Black dragons can drop level 4 clue scrolls.

Is this really true? I couldn't find any source that was, in my opinion, reliable enough that comfirmes this.

Durvo 00:06, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

[[:File:Monsters who drop cluescroll 4.png|Image here]], orginal here, archived here. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 10:11, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
-facepalm- actually read it and it doesn't have black dragons, only the KBD. So we can safely say they don't drop it. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 10:12, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Stab Weapon (Brackish?)[edit source]

I'm maxed melee with turmoil and extremes, and I've been killing black dragons for a long time. I have around 4k kills in, and it's great money. However, it's occured to me that dragons are weak to stab, and a whip can't exactly stab. I can't be bothered to get a rapier, so would a Korasi's Sword or Brackish Blade increase my kill rate? Thanks! 08:55, June 25, 2011 (UTC) [CBF to get a wiki acc]

I'd say Korasi's sword as it has a higher strength bonus. Ts4kNfA.png 08:58, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

Swordfish drop[edit source]

hey guys i got 241 swordfish by black dragon today i think we shoudl add this too drop?

^^^^ This is on the rare drop table that most highlevel monsters have

Fury over Amulet of Ranging?[edit source]

why would the fury be a better item to get over the amulet of ranging? your not tanking anything and the amulet of ranging gives a better range offensive bonus. should i change it?


It's situational. If the player uses ranged boosting prayers the fury would be better because of the prayer bonus. FredeTalk 16:29, August 11, 2011 (UTC)
that just seems like a waste to me, you dont need to pray and ive never heard of people praying while fighting blacks. that is a possibility, but i wouldnt waste my prayeDomitan 16:35, August 11, 2011 (UTC)r on fighting them
As I said, it's situational. :P Using ranged prayers would speed up the kills at the cost of slightly less profit per dragon. FredeTalk 16:41, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

Dragon spear?

Just got it from them, NOT from rare drop table from ring of wealth, as it did not show the message "Your ring of wealth shines more brightly!"

That doesn't mean it didn't come from the RDT. It just means the ROW didn't assist in you getting it. Achievements Coelacanth0794 Talk Contribs 14:59, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

This drops rune bars and i don't know how to add it.