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Chaos Tunnels Resource Dungeon[edit source]

Are you able to set up a cannon there, since they're not 'really' in the tunnels?  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk).

As far as I know, yes. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 23:57, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
how would you even get a cannon in there anyway? you have to go through the chaos tunnels which don't allow cannons 23:41, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

Safe spot[edit source]

There is a safe spot to fight these in Edgy Dungeoun. should we put that? Law rune.pngSyugecin Edit CountRune scimitar old.png 15:59, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes. A picture of where it is would be good too. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 16:57, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Uniques[edit source]

This article states only two unique black demons - does the one at the end of Monkey Madness count? ULoveMe 12:16, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

No, that's a jungle demon Buzz (Talk#P ) 08:55, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Chaos Tunnels[edit source]

Can i safe Black demons in the chaos tunnels? Buzz (Talk#P ) 08:16, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

No.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) on 2008-05-24T19:07:45.
Yes, you can. There's a large safespot for range/mage on the north crossroad of the black demons near to the entrance to Bork (you pass through there on the quickest route to Bork). See image:
[[File:Chaos tunnels black demon safespot.png]]
The red circle is the safespot. |The demons are simply too big to fit in there, and none spawn there. Note that there are other spots in the room, since the demons are so large they can get stuck on all the barrels, sacks and crates in their room. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 22:17, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Charms[edit source]

Is it worth noting that only one graphical type of Black Demon drops charms? They Drop Charms About 60% of the time. but again ONLY one graphical type of the black demons. All four of the black demons in the chaos tunnels are of this graphical type, but there is only one in taverley and none in the edgeville dungeon. This gives players the false assumption that Black Demons only drop charms rarely, except for the ones in the chaos tunnels. This is likely a bug, but has not been fixed in 7 months. So, is anyone willing to verify this, as well as tell me if it is suitable for the article? Boa1891 08:34, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I completed a slayer assignment of 170 in Taverly, and didn't get a single charm. This confused me, as greaters drop them at a pretty good rate, hence my visit here. I'm probably not the only one, so it is worth noting on the main page, I think. Spike2021 11:57, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Well it's not the only thing funny about them. Greaters drop rune full helms and clues, blacks drop rune med helms and no clues. o_O Next time I make a trip down to the CT Blacks, I'll take a picture and make sure the article notes that currently only that graphical type of black demon drops charms. Boa1891 13:16, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm doing a slayer assignment, about 100 killed, and I've gotten 31 golds, 11 greens, 2 blues and 40 crimsons, they drop them very often, and I haven't just been killing one type, more importantly, I doubt Jagex would alter the drops based on which type of demon was being killed.--Armadyl Helm‎Long Live ArmadylArmadyl Helm‎ 01:09, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Well i've been placed under the impression that all monsters in the chaos tunnels have a higher drop rate for charms. I'm not sure if this is correct or not, but it might explain the charm problem above --TheMrBryanqwert 14:30, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I recently did a slayer task on Black demons in Taverly dungeon and i collected a total of 145 charms (might have missed a few) on 190 kills, with 77 of them being crimsons. There is no difference, Jagex fixed it. It is somewhere in a news post but im not going to look it up.-- Ruderion (Talk) Farming cape (t).png 20:02, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Max hit?[edit source]

The first paragraph says Black demons can "hit up to 20" but later says "hit up to 16". Yeeps, which is correct? Inelcirc 02:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

In my experience, they have only hit 16 on me. Can someone confirm this then edit the article? Woodcutting-icon.png Wc_454 TalkHigh Scores Farming-icon.png

I'm 1 defence and they have only hit up to 160 (adjusted for lp) on me. However, I have only had minimal experience because obviously I have to use safespots. (StoleCretion 05:46, June 9, 2010 (UTC))

Herbs[edit source]

The article says black demons drop 'all herbs', but this seems unlikely. Grimy torstol supposedly isn't dropped by any monster. Grimy snapdragon and Grimy toadflax probably aren't dropped by the demon, either. In this case, the article probably should 'most herbs' or 'all common herbs'. Inelcirc 15:09, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

There should be a distinction with dropable herbs. Some herbs, like the above mentioned, are never dropped by monsters.-- Ruderion (Talk) Farming cape (t).png 20:05, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

CLue scroll?[edit source]

Do these drop clues at all?

Some say yes, some say no, But mostly, i believe is No.

No they don't.-- Ruderion (Talk) Farming cape (t).png 20:03, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
They don't Villike 13:17, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

chaos tunnels black demon[edit source]

I have a picture of a level 10 combat summon pure with all stats at level 1 in the chaos tunnels at the safe spot, should this be added?

black demons[edit source]

ok i was under edgeville with a friend doing slayer, y does one demon have a red crescent by his feet?

Yea, i noticed the ones in brimhaven dungeon have rings around them. I dont know why though. Fishing P N Ranged 11:46, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Black 2h Sword[edit source]

That is not a very rare drop, I have had it almost as commonly (I have no numbers but I've been camping them for around 7 hours overall recently) as the regular black sword. I have definitely had it with higher frequency than the rune chainbody which I have gotten 4 of. (StoleCretion 05:50, June 9, 2010 (UTC))

Max Hit[edit source]

I was just in the chaos tunnels grabbing a drop and a black demon hit a 162 on me, not sure if its the max it can hit, but it is definitely larger than 160. Does anyone else have more information on this? It doesn't seem to hit above 140 often and I'm 1 defence so yeah, its pretty easy to tell generally...  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stolecretion (talk) on 04:11, 11 June 2010.

If you spot a max hit higher than the one documented, go ahead and add it, no need to clear it with anyone else. And don't worry if it might not be the true max hit, if someone finds one that's higher, they'll just go ahead and change it again. We have a policy for this kind of situation, RuneScape:Be bold, saying basically that as long as its in good faith, just do it! Just about anything can easily be undone, and there's no need to worry about it. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 04:21, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
Of course, if you can use Monster Examine that'd be even better =D Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 15:05, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Added template(s) Drop List[edit source]

I've changed the drop list to the new table format. Some of the rarities may be wrong, especially for those which were not written originally. I used the Abyssal Demon page as a reference for style as well as some rarities, particularly runes, the rest were based on my own memory of demon slaying. sodotty 09:11, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

More frequent charm drops in Chaos Tunnels?[edit source]

What is the source of this claim?

I have not witnessed this boost.

Not worth the time?[edit source]

"making killing them for any other reason than a slayer assignment not worth the time." (from first paragraph)

I know it mentioned the ashes update but seeing as how the price of infernal ashes is going to be relatively close to dragon bones, I'd say Black Demons are now very much worth the time even outside a slayer task. I know we have green and blue dragons that have better 100% drops and are lower leveled but sometimes a variety is nice, and Black Demons are now worth killing.

Rare/Strange drop?[edit source]

I was just killing these guys for slayer when one dropped noted Adamantite ore. I picked it up and there were 727 of them. A drop of about 910k value. I've never heard oft his but I'm sure it was dropped by the demon, so what the heck? (Not that I'm complaining? Maybe it has something to do with the new Ring of Wealth which i was equipping at the time. Any explanations? Thanks Ice Barrage icon.png Nick le Roi Ice Barrage icon.png 17:49, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Also, 1000 fire orbs drop wearing ring of wealth. 17:31, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Lucky day for me! First 1000 fire, now 1000 air orbs drop wearing ring of wealth! 18:06, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Just got 6726 noted coal. 19:06, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Also just got 6 Magic seeds just now. thats another 2m. =) 19:52, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Just got 200 noted Battlestaff, while wearing Ring of Wealth. 1.7m, March 27, 2011

Uncut Dragonstone[edit source]

I just got an uncut dragonstone from a black demon, so have added it to the list of drops.

The rarity has been set as "ring of wealth" but I wasn't wearing one when I got the drop.

Archermanme: I recieved a cut dragonstone and added it, someone removed it. It was NOT from a RoW.

that's cause you dont need to hacve a row with you. its just more common.

500 Big Bone drop[edit source]

I got a 500 big bone note from black demons today. I was going to add them to the drop table but I don't know how lol

Brand Muffins 19:01, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Arrow Drops[edit source]

I'm fairly certain that 150 rune arrows is a rare drop table drop, and I have never heard of Black Demons dropping bronze arrows. Is this true?

just got a 150 rune arrow drop, no ring of wealth 01:50, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

The ring of wealth increases the chance of rare items from the rare drop table, but the ring is not required in order to access the rare drop table. My contributionsTHARKONSignatures I made 20:27, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Dragon Dagger Drop[edit source]

I just got a dragon dagger drop for the ones in taverly dungeon

That was from the RDT, so it's already on there, under the Rare Drop Table tab. S T Y G 05:30, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Post EoC Black Demons[edit source]

Well it seems these things are extremely weak now especially defensively. If you use cbow/shield and use rejuvenate you won't need food. They are 462xp a kill + 154xp for hp and can be killed easily in large numbers, making these great for ranged training. In a 30 minute trial I killed 167 of them for 77,154 ranged xp using a black salamander while also picking up their drops. That's 154,308 xp/hr and can be improved since 1) it will be faster if you don't pick up drops, 2) I have 89 ranged and I'm assuming higher levels can get more, 3) I didn't pot, potting would probably increase kill rate, 4) I didn't pray, prayer would increase kill rate, 5) I did not use a familiar or a cannon. This means if all the above were taken into consideration, this would be comparable to chinning pre-EoC

爱伦27.252.193.124 13:05, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

January 14 EoC change made these guys extremely annoying, Even with 93 ranged I'm missing 60% of my shots. 

Melee weapons[edit source]

Not sure if this statement still holds...

Black demons have a very strong defense against slash weapons. Crush weapons, such as chaotic maul, are efficient if you are using melee.

Pretty sure I had a significantly higher hit rate using abyssal whip + enhanced excalibur as compared to dual dragon maces. Anyone else with a similar experience? Crystral (talk) 13:55, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Rune 2h?[edit source]

I seem to have gotten a rune 2h drop. I can't find it in the loot list, so is it a really rare drop that hasn't been listed yet? 

RudeGuyGames (talk) 23:33, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

Could just be this: Rdt#Armour_and_equipment. My contributionsTHARKONSignatures I made 07:22, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

XP per kill[edit source]

I think the combat xp per kill on these guys needs an update.  I just tried them today in the taverly dungeon, and with xp set to just magic (and, of course, constitution), I was getting 693 magic xp per kill (figured by noting my magix xp level before killing one, killing one, then subtracting the previous magic xp level from the new magic xp level).  Can anyone else confirm?  Don't want to change it if it's just me seeing it as it might be a glitch.  Matchgirl42 (talk) 15:59, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

Back when EoC was still in Beta there was talk about experience being reduced when fighting monsters below your level that weren't slayer targets. I never actually tested if that was implemented, but it may have been the cause of this. Either way, a better way to count experience is by using the in-game xp counter in the top right of your screen. Make sure that you always perform the action you are testing 10 times to get rid of rounding errors. I'll try to remember to test Black Demons myself when I get back ingame. My contributionsTHARKONSignatures I made 01:25, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure that's the cause, when I fight waterfiends (which require only a slayer level of 1 according to the wiki), I get the full amount of combat xp (654.9).Matchgirl42 (talk) 11:25, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
One's slayer level was unrelated to whether the exp would be nerfed or not. That depended completely upon your combat level and the monster's. Later they said they'd not implement the nerf, if one was on a Slayer assignment while killing the creatures. After that I haven't heard about it again; but can't say I notice a difference in the exp I'm getting and what wikia says, even for very low-levelled monsters. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 11:33, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
Decided to just try it out, killed ten Muggers level 22 (I am level 195). I actually got more exp than what is listed on the wiki. I got 321 Attack exp and 105 Constitution experience. That makes a single Mugger level 22 32.1 and 10.5 experience. Wiki currently lists 12 and 4. Just in case that was human error, I tested some other stuff. Guards level 26 (Falador) gave me 36.6 and 12.0, while wiki lists 35.0 and 11.6. Chickens level 2 gave me 24.9 and 8.2, while listed numbers are 24.8 and 8.2. I have a theory that the exp reduction might not be whether you're higher or not, but also how much higher. Meaning that I get slightly more exp than someone with level 200 combat. And the testers might be level 200 combat. Did a test with someone that was level 200 combat, but we got the same exp. Guards level 36 this time (Varrock) 42.7 and 14.0 experience. Wiki lists 56.0 and 18.5. Whatever is going on, the listed experience values don't seem to be true for any of my tests, so something is up. For the record, I did not use any experience boosting items, there was no avatar summoned. My contributionsTHARKONSignatures I made 05:20, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
Just tried it out again.  Killed 10 black demons in taverly dungeon (keeping track by the # of infernal ashes drop, as it's a 100% drop, and using the xp counter tracking just magic xp gains (still loving polypore strike!), and got 6,939 total magic xp for 10 demons, or 693.9 xp per kill.  Tried it with waterfiends, using same xp tracking method and counting the kills, as their 100% drop is not as reliable for counting purposes.  Killed 10 waterfiends in the ancient cavern, got 6.549 total magic xp, or 654.9 each, which matches the wiki entry information.  Then I killed 10 men in edgeville (lvl 6) counting kills by bones collected.  Got 258 total magic xp, or 25.8 each, and the wiki has combat xp per kill for lvl 6 men listed at 34.  At the time of this test, I am lvl 179 combat, and lvl 93 magic.  Gear: saradomin coif, body and chaps; cooking cape; charged amulet of glory; charged ring of wealth; regen bracelet, and polypore staff. Matchgirl42 (talk) 06:26, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
Just ftr, when comparing to the wikia values, keep in mind that often enough the "exp = X" value entered into the info box is actually all the exp, including the Consitution exp, together. Which can explain why the wikia value would be higher than the experience value you are receiving. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 07:24, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
I did consider that early on.  Unfortunately, it doesn't add up with the current constitution xp listed.  If you subtract it (304.6 for black demons) from the combat xp listed (923 for black demons), you get 618.4, which still doesn't match the combat xp I was getting for black demons (693.9).Matchgirl42 (talk) 07:34, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
That comment of mine was mostly in reaction to the data you posted for killing Men; hadn't checked the Black demon data. Not saying that was/is the case here, just wanted to throw it out there. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 09:13, June 12, 2013 (UTC)

You would be substracting too much since the shown Constitution exp is based on the experience put in. Divide by 1.33 to get what it should be if Con exp was indeed mistakenly added. If Con exp (should be 228.9 based on the 693.9 Magic exp) was added to black demons the value would be 922.8. Possible whoever entered it also mistakenly rounded this to 923. This solves the black demon issue, as well as the Varrock guard issue. But not the chicken and Falador guard. My contributionsTHARKONSignatures I made 17:10, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

That is indeed correct for the black demons; I just tested it, so I'm going to go ahead and make the change.  When I get the chance, I'll test the others.  Thanks!  Mystery solved.  Matchgirl42 (talk) 18:22, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

Slayer XP per kill[edit source]

I'm getting 294-295 Slayer XP a kill from these guys (in the Taverley Resource Dungeon), as is my friend. Is this something on my end or is the Wiki wrong? 04:54, July 5, 2013 (UTC)Kamilkaze

The last update included a patch note regarding exp for level 198 monsters. Ever since, people've been posting on the rsof that apparently exp has decreased slightly for most slayer monsters. While I haven't heard anyone specifically mention slayer exp, it doesn't seem like a long shot that some were altered too. That or the wiki page was outdated in the first place. Feel free to update the value with the experience you're getting ingame atm. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 05:11, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

They do not drop addy bars or at least it is not a common drop.

( 19:11, January 24, 2014 (UTC))

Untitled[edit source]

i got a black scimitar drop and not the off hand one please add to drops

also how do you safe spot  these they use mage now  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) on 01:40, February 6, 2014 (UTC).

Drop log[edit source]

Out of 183 demons:

Chilli potato x12

Rune helm x6

Rune chainbody x3

Wine of Zamorak x4

Black platebody x10

Black scimitar x4

Off-hand black scimitar x5

10 Law rune x4

10 Blood rune x3

Grimy ranarr x23

Grimy irit x15

Grimy spirit weed x9

2 Grapes x22

Adamant bar x2

Uncut ruby x17

Uncut sapphire x4

Uncut emerald x3

Coins: 364, 395, 455, 473, 1611, 1678, 1683, 1716, 1733, 1792, 1796, 1895, 1910, 1925, 1933, 1979, 2027, 2054, 2160, 2168, 2248, 2334, 2340, 2362, 2529, 2652, 2945, 2955, 3083, 3186, 3193

Changed the drop table accordingly.

Undamaged (talk) 17:22, February 13, 2014 (UTC)

The Grand tree Black demon[edit source]

Hey guys, I just finished the grand tree quest and thought I would add some data on the black demon that you fight at the end. Firstly it has 7000 lifepoints not 9000, and secondly it can hit up to 500 lifepoints per attack though it doesn't seem to hit that high very often, seems to hit 300s most of the time.

Alterecco (talk) 08:09, February 21, 2014 (UTC)

Found Silver Ore drop[edit source]

I found a 100 noted silver ore drop on one if anyone wants to add that. I only killed 150 and got one, not sure if that is rare or very rare, but it happened so.. I tried to add it myself but cant =) 14:39, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

Rare drop table MolMan 14:40, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

Drops[edit source]

I'm not familiar with the drops template, but can someone add dragon dagger as a rare drop?

Quick chat button.png AWE5ME Attack-icon.png 19:08, November 28, 2014 (UTC)

Dragon daggers are on the rare drop table, which is already listed. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 19:26, November 28, 2014 (UTC)

Rune platebody[edit source]

I don't think they drop rune platebodies anymore, I killed 200 and got none.

--Dylliewillie (talk) 17:10, January 22, 2016 (UTC)

Kinetic Cyclone at Black Demons-Taverly[edit source]

While using the regular Dwarf Multi-Cannon can be a bit of a disaster at black demons now, using the Kinetic Cyclone is doable. Pick a spawn spot and you can semi-afk slayer tasks without any risk. The Cyclone only picks up a couple demons so you wont get swarmed.

SNIPERBBB (talk) 15:52, 21 July 2019 (UTC)SNIPERBBB