Talk:Barrows

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Barrows- Melee, mage, or range.

Hey I have been to barrows about 50 times now and i have gotten nothing but runes and coins. Though I have had many situations where some people think that if you melee all of the brothers you will have a greater percenatage of getting barrows. I think that this is true, I will conduct an experiment to see if this is true. I will be back with more information =P

While I do think that information is false, if you are prepared to conduct a test and bring the results back, then by all means, please do. --Dogtag333 13:48, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I have had the same. No loots within about 50-60 runs. Nothing but runes. Hopefully something will come soon

Possible changes

The guide recommends ghostly robe top/bottoms for the mage bonus. But why? Lunar robes are WAY better than ghostly. For one thing, ghostly don't give melee protection at all. Plus, the lunar top and bottom give a total of 17 mage att/def, as opposed to a measly 9 from the ghostly robes. The only downside is the ranged attack penalty, and that's what the dhide is for, anyways. So maybe a change in the guide is in order?

In response

Thanks, your right; someone has messed up the guide alot by suggesting ghostly in suggested inventory over far better alternatives, and further confused things by splitting into four sections, I will clean it up. Bob2006ty(RUNESTORM333)  talk 12:55, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Methinks a pure 'tis at work. - Taeryth

Does Crumble Undead work on on The Barrows Brothers? I know the slave amulet does. 18:24, 2 February 2008 (UTC)Barrow Bro

Crumble Undead does not work on the Barrows Brothers, since they are not undead. They are tainted, corrupted spirits. Likewise, the Salve Amulet doesn't work. This has been confirmed by Jagex. Ssj metroid 01:45, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

For one, jagex stated that you CAN NOT get bolt racks without getting 9 kill count What about "Getting Their" section? I have been doing barrows for a long ass time, got tons of mage levels their etc. This article lacks lots of stuff and the methods are pretty rubish.

1. The section's called "Location"

2. Learn English. You do not get "tons of mage levels their" – you get "tonnes of mage levels there." Although, being a talk page, "tons" would probably be acceptable, only being American. Thank you for reading. P.S, if you think this is harsh, read here (fourth sentence and beyond)

3. Oh, and you should probably try to mind your language, I would think. 17:30, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

(Back to Whiplash)

etc. This article lacks lots of stuff and the methods are pretty rubish.

Well if any editor can verify this they can feel free to correct the article where needed. --Whiplash 23:17, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

jagex has never stated that you NEED a certain kill count in order to loot the chest. They recommend that you kill all the brothers before searching the chest, as it gives you the best chance to get a barrows item. Ssj metroid 01:47, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
That's why a discussion page is useful : sharing people experience. In the main article, there is nothing about bolt racks and kill count, it is only the point of view of some players, as it can't be prove this part is not included in the main article. There are many methods to achieve barrows, many players think they use the best way...A collaborative work (like wiki) can't have a single point of view, that's the statement, accepting other...  Urssaff talk 09:17, 5 February 2008 (UTC) PS: I wish this anonymous player share his experience with us !
I've been on many barrows trips and countless times i've gotten bolt racks, and i only get a kill count of 6.Jmo, 01:49, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Thoughtless editing and disregard for readers

Is there a way we can make sure accounts of no more than so many days old an edit this? Alot of people want to contribute their methods after only a few trips to the barrows, I have totaled almost 4k trips now, and when I wrote the bulk ofthe text in the beggining I wanted an article for every method, price range and combat/prayer level, which I have tried to do, but when people keep editing this (such as early february, some ips and a few new acounts edited unconstructively) to the detriment of the reader, who may not need such comments as "I got hit 40 by dharok and yeah u need to do this bit") it becomes unhelpful. The recommended order was changed, so mages had to go to dharok, ahrim, guthan, verac, torag, karil in that order according to one of the editors wtf???

Basically my point is; we need to put a lock of some sort on this so that unconstructive edits from ips or new acounts cannot harm the article, since it was featured on the main page attacks on this article are increased, I had to spend 30 mins undoing the damage that I planned to spend on other articles. I have asked the new accounts not to do this again, but we really need to lock it to prevent such damage. lots of people constructively edit, helping with anything from spelling to tips to method changes, reordering and tweaking amounts, keeping it up to date, more accurate (constructive stuff) and I thank those people, this is by no means my article and i realise lots of people want to share their views, but i wish they would do it here then put it in if the consensus is that it is a good idea, not put it in, and then it gets taken out again, because it may harm the reader during their trip to the minigame or doesn't contribute anything useful or that has not been said in a more appropriate place.

When people join the wiki they look for something to edit, much of runescape is covered on this wiki, so they go to what they know- the barrows or a similar minigame, they think of something to say and oh look its been said already, but they add it in anyway or change something insubstantial, over time the article has begun to break down, in my opinion it is too long, and in places doesn't make sense, please consider what I have said, vote if you like. (I shall be going through all of the article later today)

support (as the nominator?) Bob2006ty(RUNESTORM333)  talk 11:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Support with comment Perhaps this limit should also be placed on the other Articles of the Month, as they are the first thing people see when entering the site. It is possible that many nonconstructive edits may be made to those articles by new people who are eager to help out (and increase their edit count), but have little experience or knowledge of that subject.Ssj metroid 21:14, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Support with comment I agree with both of you, this article is loosing its "essence", due to the multiple modifications...But how can we block others thinking "we have the knowledge", a new editor may have a good idea no ? Urssaff talk 08:51, 16 February 2008 (EST)

I wasn't saying we alone should edit it, after a few days if they have an account and are truly interested in contributing to the article they could do so. Bob2006ty(RUNESTORM333)  talk 15:31, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Oppose - Although there is a tendency for updating of the featured article with less constructive changes, at least it's caught quicker there. I think if we were to restrict updates on the featured article, then the problem would just move somewhere else. I'm not sure restricting access will actually reduce the problem overall. Amaurice talk 16:34, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Support - As per Urssaff, also i couldn't follow the guide after it had become so complex, i had to have Bob2006ty Write me a guide that made it easier to understand. It's become very bad for people new to barrows. --Derial(Boywithbrain) 17:28, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment & oppose Tonnes of policies about this... All editors are equal, article ownership, assume good faith. And your point anyway is semi-protection, no accounts that are under 4 days old or have less than 10 edits can edit semi-protected pages. Leave a note if I missed anything out. Oh, and this is a wiki, anyone can edit it, don't complain about nonconstructive comments.
may not need such comments as "I got hit 40 by dharok and yeah u need to do this bit"

I don't understand the bit in italics; but who says it isn't important to put the hits on it? Some people don't have the time to check the max hits on the individual brother pages. I think I missed out a lot of things wrong with your argument, so please do let me know. Also, say any good parts of this plain and simple, and I may rethink this giant oppose. 17:52, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

Salve Amulet

There seems to be a contradiction in the article. Under "suggested equipment" it says that a salve amulet will not work, while under "no prayer potions equipment" it lists the salve amulet as an option. I do not know myself if a salve amulet does or does not work, so could someone please verify? Aquilae 01:39, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

The Salve Amulet doesn't work. It may be listed for the no prayer potion section because it has a decent prayer bonus. I believe it is +6. 24.17.207.20 03:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually it offers a prayer bonus of +3. If this is the case, I think it is an extremely bad recommendation because the un/holy symbols are extremely cheap and provide a bonus of +8, beating out the Amulet of Glory and Fury (+3 and +5) which could also be considered because of their combat bonuses but not for their cost. The God stoles are a further +10, but expensive, so the Salve Amulet is beat out in all areas of possible advantages (cost, prayer bonus, and combat bonus) I would rather see the maker of this page tell us why he said the Salve Amulet first before changing it. 02:21, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Salamanders

I've been testing out the Black Salamander after I saw someone doing the Barrows with it. I must say that the benefits from it are shining through. It allows me to carry less items and doesn't appear to hinder too much from armors (much like Slayer Dart in armor). I've kinda revamped my strategy down there with this new weapon. Might want to mention it as a possible alternative to recommended items to bring.

~Ixindor~

See tavern thread "omg black salamander best for barrows?" to see why it might not be. Bob2006ty(RUNESTORM333)  talk 13:48, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I am a black salamander addict, i have done thousands of barrows runs. It is fairly well know that one of the best ways to go at barrows, on the melee brothers atleast, is to use slayer dart. Here a few think that can shake your sway over to the salamander crew. Salamanders cost per cast is less than a cast of slayer dart. Although the cast accuracy of slayer dart is affected only by a very little ammount from armour, they magic style attack of the salamander is confirmed to not be affected at all by armour and it is noticibly faster in the long run. The max his of sal's are higher aswell. there are some down sides (smaller range, no shield etc) but I believe it to be far better in the long run. Erm dunno how to sign off I dont have an account :s

Melee all

Some questions:

1. See my userpage for my skills , can i melee all the brothers?
2. I want to use a Dragon Halberd in the Tunnels, safe them all and use the safe spots, should I?
3. I want to kill Karils DDP++ 4× special, then whip. Is that good?
4. The only brother that i am gonna range is Ahrims, good?
5. I make no extra kill count, just 6 minimal. Maybe more for healing with guthans, alright?
6. Im gonna "Whip" torags in the tunnels, or halberd too?
7. If im gonna use a Dragon Halberd, should i watch my strength bonus or attack bonus.

Ive done barrows a lot, but i maged all the time, now its time for some difference, and i need tips ofcourse!\

Thanx

Buzz (Talk#P ) 08:03, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

(It's better you reply at my Talk page)

Melee-ing Barrows wasn't a good idea, back on magic right now (23-03-08)

Buzz (Talk#P ) 06:49, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

killing the brothers with all melee isnt to hard if you are very powerful. i went just a few minutes ago. i did it with full guthans,a whip and drag defender,2 prayer,str,def,and att pots,food and misc. decratives. i only use prayer on dharok and sometimes karil.i managed to complete the set twice with the prayers then twice without. i have 98 const,att,str,def.

Cannonway

Does cannonway still work? where you use your cannon to block the melee brothers and in the meanwhile bash their face with a halberd? 84.196.72.19 00:01, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Mage

Item Attack bonuses Defence bonuses Other Absorption
Farseer helm -5 -5 -5 +6 -5 +8 +10 +12 +6 0 +7 0 0
Mystic robe top 0 0 0 +20 0 0 0 0 +20 0 +20 0 0
Mystic robe bottom 0 0 0 +15 0 0 0 0 +15 0 +15 0 0
barrows gloves +12 +12 +12 +6 +12 +12 +12 +12 +6 +12 +6 +12 0
Mystic boots 0 0 0 +3 0 0 0 0 +3 0 +3 0 0
Amulet of Glory, Amulet of Fury, (the Salve amulet does notwork)

could setup like this,for mage def and do box for melee to

Barrowzzz

• 2 items from a drop is very rare, what about 3?? A friend of me got 3 barrows items in 1 trip...
• They are not undead.. are they from the spirit world??
• Does summoning work in there??
• What kind of spirits are they??
• Is there a possible way to communicate with them??
• Are they alive in the spirit world??
• Who is the Strange Old Man??
1. Getting 3 items is EXTREMELY RARE, but it is still possible.
2. The barrows brothers are corrupted It may mean there a spirit or they might just be alive, Yet corrupted.
3. Nope, summoning familiars are not allowed in.
4. They are corrupted spirits.
5. No.
6. We do not know at this point.
7. He didn't recieve his name for nothing.

Buzz (Talk#P ) 13:03, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

6th brother

Very odd, but I did not encounter him once during one of my trip. He just disappeared all of a sudden. Anyone know what happened? Powers38 おはようヾ(´･ω･｀) 03:59, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Same happend to me with guthans , but because i decided to try for another trip and not teliport out after opening the chest, he appeared for me after opening the door to the room with the ladder! strange isnt it? I suppose if anyone else has this problem just keep opening doors till the barrow brother appears if he doesent when u open the chest. signed: 91283746522

This could be one of two things, the first and most likely is that you went through a door and the brother the other side vanished to be invoked by opening a further door or to meet you at the chest, or one of the brothers spawned a twin, they both dissapeared after going through a door, contact me for more info. Bob2006ty(RUNESTORM333)  talk 16:09, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

Yea, I had somethinhg similar happen, went all the way to chest by fighting only 5 bros >_>, NEVER saw the 6th one spawn...72.199.117.151 05:39, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

shouldn't

ahrim be third? dont need prayer for verac, and ahrim hits constant 20s. Rawrawr Dinosaur 16:11, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous:

i do not think ahrim should be third but last, after all it lowers ur stats so it best to do it as last as for me i do not constant pray but use pray on dharok and then continue till my prayer is 0,

my rotation is Dharoks - Karil - Guthan - Torag - Verac - Ahrim, ill explain why

Dharok - states the obvious should be first for everyone

Karil - use remaining prayer for anti range as karil can hit quite hard

Guthan - Not really needed u could go torag aswell, u can use prayer if u have some remaining for anti melee to reduce some of the hits.

Verac - u dont need any prayer so if u do had any prayer left after Karil its best to use it for guthan or torag

Ahrim - i pick ahrim as last as ur special attack will be upped alot after fighting all the brothers plus ull keep ur stats unchanged by his weaken spells, plus he will be down easily with ur remaining specs.

have fun!

Page split

I have split the Barrows article into two pages: the main article and Barrows/Strategies. The reasons for this are twofold: To reduce loading time for the regular page and because most of the strategies are based on opinion and personal experience. People have been asking "Shouldn't Ahrim be before Verac in the recommended order? You don't need to pray against Verac." This is a matter of personal opinion and now people can just add their own strategies (within reason; we don't need a 100+kb page full of bad prose and redundant strategies) instead of worrying about whichever one strategy is on the actual page and, by extension, endorsed as the "best." --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 22:33, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Do I have the rquirerments?

I was wondering if I'm able to beat the Barrows with only melee. My stats are on my page, but here they are. 65 attack and strength , 63 hitpoints, 61 defence, and 47 prayer. Leave a message on my talk page and say what I need to bring. By the way, I also have 51 ranged, and 56 magic.

No, you cannot melee them with such weak stats.

My att, str, con and def are almost 80 and my prayer is 54. Can I melee them? (AtheistMetal)

Att 75, Str 81, Con 80, Def 80, Prayer 52 and I melee them all the time and I have no problems

haha i also meelee i have 76 atk 74 str 80def 45 prayer 77 hp and i can do it

Updated with new information

Errr.. shouldn't someone put something about Tehnoobshow's Exclusive interview with the Barrows brothers? I feel the power. 16:39, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely not. That's fanon, and thus it has no place here. WWTDD? 16:40, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Ring of Wealth?

Does ring of wealth increase better loot from the chest? Kat99999123talk 21:32, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

No. 08:38, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

no

DOES NOW!!!!! :p

barrows boots?

does anyone know wat kind of boots the brothers wear? i would really like to know.

Does not really look like they wear boots 20:25, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Why not use the concept pictures found on their respective Wikia pages, for example Karil the Tainted - Simsarmy 20:31, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Sort of looks like Moonclan boots 20:50, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
For guthan he is not wearing boots. It actualy comes with the plate legs.

kc?

what does "kc" mean? --

Captain Sciz

02:00, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

KC stands for Kill Count, or how many deaths you cause in the Barrows minigame before you open the chest.--I Levin 02:08, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Missing Door Puzzle!

Someone edited a door puzzle out of existence. The one with the pentagon and square. Please add it back if you know the file. Mamabear47 07:27, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Do I have the requirements

Only with so much money spent on high level food, armour and prayer potions that you won't make any money in the long rrun so unless you just want to spend a bit and check it out there's not much point.

Prayer drain after new quest.

"Some players have reported that the brothers do not drain prayer anymore after they completed the Barrows section of The Temple at Senntisten quest."

This isn't true. I've done that quest, and they still drain prayer.

And i removed false information from "Recommended" section.

Featured yet again

Wooot! We did it again the article got featured on the main page. Bob2006ty(RUNESTORM333)  talk 14:19, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

Barrows Boots

Please Support If You Like This Idea??? 14:14, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

And the idea is? --Nup(T) 14:24, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

Lol, that idea is nice. I expected from jagex to give bandos boots some strength bonus (possibly +6) making them the "barrows boots". They haven't done that... yet... O well we'll see.. :p Lathow 16:00, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Can i melee the barrow?

I would like to know if i am able to melee all 6 brother here are my stats : 77str , 77 att, 77 def, 78 Hitpoint . Ty in advance for your answer

This is not the page to ask this sort of question, but yes, you should be able to melee them without much trouble. ----LiquidTalk 19:05, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

This Guide Is Fail

After reading this guide it would seem it is rather for very low players with min requirements, shouldn't this page be split into 2 subpages as guides for low level and high level barrowing. many people who wish to barrow for profit are fairly high level and do not use these simple methods.--Neillpaddy 03:45, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

see Barrows/Strategies. Rich Farmbrough, 02:44 9 June 2010 (GMT).

'Nuff said. CPLstone 03:21, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Featured again!

Glad to see that an article I helped write the a lot of is featured again, thanks for all contributions guys. Happy barrowing! Bob2006ty(RUNESTORM333)  talk 14:25, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

I just did Barrows and there was nothing in the chest

Hi, I just got a membership, than I went and did barrwos killed all 6 brothers and than I got a kill count of 7 and opened the chest and I found nothing inside why?

Probably your inventory was full and it all went on the floor. Rich Farmbrough, 02:46 9 June 2010 (GMT).

Response

Did you search it, or just open it?

The Recent Puzzle Update

In the trivia it says that jagex made the puzzle unable to be interupted by combat and that it is glitched, this is not quite true. This is from my own experiance this morning at barrows. The update made the squares in fromt of the puzzle doors safe areas where no new monster will attack you but if you were already under attack that monster will continue to attack, which still interupts the puzzle, untill you kill it. Once the one that is already after you is dead no others will attack you untill you leave the very small safe area.

Note: I did not edit this into the article myself because the last time I tried editing something here I broke the page >.< Sci. 16:11, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

kill count

The futher i read on the futher i come to notice that almost all the info is true except the kill count. I am currently at barrows and i always get a 7 kill count and to correct it you can get blood runes and bolt racks because i get that almost every drop just wanted to clear that up. Its not alot but its around 30-40 blood runes and 20-80 bolt racks97.123.25.88 10:04, May 22, 2010 (UTC)nicholas newman a.k.a X_legitX

I was wondering, what is a kill count good for?? If u kill 2 brothers and a lot of spiders... its not that useful right? But killing all 6 and then doing it again and later raiding the chest doesn't give you much better chances. That's waht I understood, So what is the kill count really good for/useful for? Leon Art 00:10, April 10, 2011 (U

I heard that there is no point getting a high kill count unless your looking for runes and bolt racks etc. The main thing is to kill all 6 brothers and I think kill the small creature in the chest room. Otherwise your wasting your time getting such a high kill count as ive seen others do such as 1k+. :D Hope this helps. Aka: 188.141.71.185 09:36, December 1, 2011 (UTC)Assinators188.141.71.185 09:36, December 1, 2011 (UTC)

In addition, killing 7 brothers doesn't give you more chance for barrows items than killing 6, although you will never get an item related to a brother that you didn't kill. Also, don't forget a ring of wealth. 05:09, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

Discrepancy In Statement

I find that this statement here: "The staff has a special attack called Power of Light. When activated, this special attack reduces any melee damage that is received by 50% for one minute, this is very effective against Verac." To be mostly ineffective. I've done hundreds of chests with Staff of Light tanking method, and I find that the Staff of Light special is ineffective against Verac, because his Defile set bonus tends to hit through it anyways. You take full damage and the white orb that surrounds you normally when you would take a melee hit does not occur. I still use Staff of Light to this day (for the bonus damage/rune saving), but I no longer use the special because Defile just tends to hit through it anyways. My special bar is better off spent clawing/godswording Karil or Ahrim. Just some food for thought. 71.98.137.181 12:35, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

barrows method

This method requires 80 magic and completion of the quest: Desert Treasure. You get enough runes for ice burst and blood blitz and then food and prayer potions as needed, you use prayer potion on the brother you need maybe none at all. you dont use prayer until your health is around half then ice burst them and go one step diagnol, after they cannot attack you use blood blitz to get your health up and finish them off. Those are my techniqs (dont know how to spell that)

Obviously whoever wrote this guide doesn't do barrows very often and hasn't fully experimented before

Okay. Let's get this straight.

Ahrim doesn't just lower your strength level using his curses. He will lower the attack style you're using.

So for instance. You're using an Abyssal whip in controlled. He will lower either one of your Melee skills. This also applies to other attack styles. He will lower your Attack if you attack using Accurate.

Melee is NOT a good option to use while doing Barrows. Melee is only effective if you're 90+ Attack with Super/Extreme Potions. Magic works alot better on all of the Melee brothers. I can easily Ice Barrage Dharok, Verac, Torag and Guthan. You do not need to use Protection prayers on any brother except Dharok and Karil. Dharok requires you to use Protection from Melee/Deflect Melee on the first hit, then you use Ice Blitz/Barrage, walk 1 step away from him then continue to attack him using Ice Barrage. You are only able to hit 6 times, then you will need to run to the opposite end of the coffin in the middle of the room. Wait 5 seconds then move one step into a direction that still keeps you behind the coffin. When he moves then you walk 1 step behind you, then 1 step away from the coffin which will make him start to walk towards you. You then Ice Blitz/Barrage again making him freeze in the position that he stands in. You then repeat the process until he is killed.

Karil on the other hand will require you to use Protection from Missiles/Deflect Missiles. Use 1 dose of Prayer/Super prayer potion ONLY if you don't have any Prayer points left. You will then dig on his mound, go to his coffin and summon him. Put your prayer on then start meleeing him using an Abyssal whip, Chaotic rapier or Armadyl godsword. If you don't have any prayer points, Start using Blood Barrage, this is effective on him and will heal you. Don't be afraid to eat when your Life Points are lower than 350.

Note: Karil does lower your Agility level. This is easily fixed if you bring an Agility potion or 1 Super Restore. Use the Super Restore in place of a Prayer potion. Super Restores are a much more effective option than using an Agility potion

Ahrim doesn't require you to use prayer. All you need to do is bring a Black d'hide body/chaps and he will not be able to attack you very often. Only bring both if you are not using Magic gear. Curses are still able to be used on you whether or not you are using Protection prayer. Magic Protect does NOT effect his curses. Karil's crossbow is incredibily effective on Ahrim. It is a very fast weapon and will hit contantly. Use a Ranging/Extreme Ranging potion if your Range level is lower than 95. This setup will allow you to kill Ahrim alot faster. Bolt racks can be expensive, but you can loot them from the chest once you've finished in the tunnels.

Okay. So this one is about armour.

Don't use Bandos Boots, they're absolute junk and only give a small amount of defence more than Dragon Boots. Dragon Boots are alot more effective than Bandos Boots because of their +4 strength bonus.

Archer/Farseer helm are NOT good items to use. They give minimal defence bonuses so they're not very helpful. In my opinion a Helm of neitiznot is ALOT better to use. Helm of neitiznot does not have any negative attack bonuses. It also gives a +3 strength bonus and a +3 prayer bonus. Only use this if you can't afford a Verac's helm.

Food should always be Monkfish. Sharks are too expensive to be used every run. Monkfish are a much better option, they are cost effective and heal decently. They are also very fast to fish if you don't want to buy them.

Edit: The most effective order to do the Barrows brothers is: Dharok, Ahrim, Karil, Verac, Torag, Guthan. This also lowers the need to run all over the place.

Devil Flaze 13:33, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

When Ahrim lowers your stats, he randomly does either a defence, attack, or strength lowering attack, independent of any attack style or weapon you are using.

Crusader8389 (talk) 18:21, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Gravestone

Where does your gravestone appear when you die in the tunnels? I just lost several millions worth of items because there was no gravestone

1. Outside the crypt
2. Inside the crypt of the 6th brother (Karil)
3. In the tunnels, where I encountered Karil

PS: Am I allowed to swear here? 21:22, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

A friend of mine says it goes wherever you die. Whether it be in the tunnels or a crypt. Maybe you didn't get to it fast enough?
PS: If you have to ask, you probably shouldn't be in the first place. (; 21:29, December 3, 2010 (UTC)
I had over 2 minutes left on the timer when I arrived. AFAIR the last time i died in a crypt the gravestone appeared outside the crypt. This time i checked everywhere, including the spot where I died in the tunnels but no gravestone. Damn! 21:35, December 3, 2010 (UTC)
Sorry. ): I'll ask around and see if I can find out. If so, I'll put it on the article. (: 21:58, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Melee Equipment Overview

Are you freaking kidding me with this? Barrows armor is below everything? I can understand looking at the repair cost, but a full set of barrows (weapon and all) only costs 22k every combat hour. I mean, just look at the helmets section. A rune full helm is suggested over barrows helmets. A helmet that has about 20 less defense in all areas and no benefits over them has been placed above barrows helmets. Then moving down to bodies, a dragon platebody over barrows bodies? Another 20 defense for no reason. Then for legs, dragon platelegs/skirt over barrows legs? There's one more 20 to go out. According to this guide, a set of armor with 60 less defense overall is better than using a set that would cost less than 1/8th of the barrows chest each run? And that's even assuming 30k is in the chest and 15 combat minutes are used. I don't get any kill count and use less combat time for each run and still get over 30k on average; a full 4-5 run trip will get me about 300k in runes, so who cares about repair cost?

I can understand how things with prayer bonus (even with the automatic prayer drain devaluing them) would be put above barrows armor and how barrows weapons are lacking, but why would anyone put dragon armor over barrows armor? Barrows is a defense-intensive activity, so not even the strength boosting armor gets a pass (maybe bandos for its slight prayer bonus. It's negligible really). If one were to actually use neitiznot, fighter torso, and bandos tassets, they would get 9 strength bonus and 4 prayer bonus over torag's armor at the cost of about 90 defense in all areas except magic. Just to throw things into perspective, 9 strength bonus will add 15 damage (1.5 old damage) to a 99 strength player's max and 4 prayer bonus would make a full bar of 99 prayer last less than one minute longer using a "protect from" spell. These benefits are less when players are under this level, not to mention the periodic prayer drain of the barrows makes the slight prayer bonus relatively useless. Proselyte armor being above barrows is reasonable because it's substantial prayer bonus no doubt helps (excluding the cost of prayer potions needed to sustain prayer throughout the barrows), but there is absolutely no reason for anything else that's currently on that list to be above barrows armor. --Oniplayer 22:24, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

Hello,

This article was not very helpful, it dosent say the levels, the hp, etc... it just has your recomentdaitions. it dosent have the info of them in a table. but last time i looked it was good, i think you messed it up lots. what a stupid idea.... so next time, please know what you're talking about. because when i needed the info it wasnt thier, when i didnt, it was good, therefore you have messed it up!!

when i say a table, i mean something like this:

so next time know what ur talking about

82.26.156.205 10:32, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

You could simply go to the barrows brother's article (like Verac the Defiled) to see all those stats. Listing them all on the Barrows page would make it too long, and it just looks better to keep it split. 10:39, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Drops

Dragon med helm and Half keys are actually rarer than Barrows pieces.

I usually get 1 barrows armour piece per 10-20 chests, in over 500 chests I've only ever had one half key, no Dragon med helms.

Change the rarity around, Rare for Barrows armour pieces, and Very Rare for Dragon med helm, Tooth half of a key and Loop half of a key.

Devil Flaze 08:12, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

According to a Barrows Log from an expert, who got all pieces more than one time as far as I could see, a Dragon Med Helm is actually more common as any barrows piece, but you'll receive barrows pieces more often as there are so many of them. QFC: 98-99-900-60730818 (at the bottom of the page). 14:34, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, this information from said "barrows expert" sounds correct to me. I have over 300 logged runs, and have found the drop rate of barrows items to be roughly 1/(10-20) so 5-10%. Assuming 1/15 for simplicity, and assuming that each of the 24 barrows pieces have equal chances of being dropped, chances would be roughly 1/360 of dropping any *specific* barrows piece, even though the chance of receiving *any piece* is significantly higher.

Perlmutter 04:42, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Chest/6th brother

I suppose it's simply impossible to know, but: Is the loot calculated when I open the chest, or when I search it? My point being that if the 6th brother only appears when opening the chest (ie I have not already encountered and dealt with him in the tunnels), do I get loot dependent on only 5 brothers, or does it get determined when I search the chest after I've killed him? --     Zang! talk   13:54, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

Determined when you search. The way I know is because thats when the number of barrows bros you've killed it reset :p Crusader8389 (talk) 18:23, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

I have proofread this article. I noticed that the Cleanup template was applied to the page. Should it be removed now? A proofreader 09:00, June 15, 2011 (UTC)

Cleanup

Shouldn't almost all of this article be deleted? The strategy guide should be the article containing the recommended methods of doing barrows, and this article should just contain the overview of what barrows is.

God vivec1 10:14, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Safespotting?

Can you safespot the barrows brothers?

no, there was an update on it that you can no longer safespot it. You can however ice barrage/blitz it then move 1 space back and range it08:45, August 18, 2011 (UTC)99.227.191.104

Wrong. They simply changed the safespots with the update. You CAN safespot every melee brother around certain rocks, but only in their respective rooms and in a room to the northeast side of the map in the tunnels. Only a few rocks will work; for instance, in dharocks room when you safespot him using the east rocks he can't get to you (make sure you are right next to the rock you are maging him over or he will ninja around) but on any of the other rocks he can simply go around them. Probably a glitch, but it works. Crusader8389 (talk) 18:27, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Drakan's Medallion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9V0-QaeCGg This is where it teleports you (barrows spot) very close to barrows, great for fast trips.

• I've found this is a great way to save time and money doing Barrows. If you teleport to Burgh de Rott and switch into your Darkmeyer costume, you can actually teleport into Darkmeyer and pray at the altar there without using any medallion charges. Or you can bring the outfit with you, teleport to Darkmeyer from Barrows and teleport back after praying, making runs almost back-to-back.
• You don't even have to use Darkmeyer costume, with a decent defence level you can simply run to the altar, then a safespot and teleport

Clean up v2

I saw that the last person posting about a clean up got no reply. Unless I get any objections I plan to delete all strategies on this page along with many other changes in a few days time.~~Show Control~~

Houses next to barrows

File:Barrowsmap.png|thumb|Notice tge houses at the top-right cornerWell, I'm sure we all know what barrows is...

But I'm really not sure what the houses that are placed next to barrows are doing there...they're not even accessible. Please tell me about those houses!Luis Lamborgini

[[Barrows Town]] --Henneyj 15:50, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

Karil

The person who wrote this seriously has not do more than 100 barrow run

(s)he stated that Karil is easy but i ,myself have done more than 30 barrow run with full bandos and out of 10 hits 8 didnt miss and my defence lv is 83 so we should put at lest medium or hard

thanks

wesley 1.43am 26th december ,2011 (GMT +8)

I find it interesting you complain someone might not have done 100 runs and then say that you've done more than 30. I've done much less myself but I find them all easily slain considering they only use one attack styles which can be prayed against. I have only slightly higher stats than you have, but there is no objective way to determine difficulty. 18:06, December 25, 2011 (UTC)
Karils is one of the easiest brothers, IF you have prayer. If you don't have prayer left, karils is actually the hardest brother (aside from maybe akrisae, I wouldn't know because I haven't fought him) because he has incredible accuarcy even past full barrows armour. He is even tougher than dharock because dharock hits nearly all 0's when you've got any kind of defence on and has extremely slow attack speed. And any good pvmer knows that accuracy is more important than strength (defender, anyone?). Crusader8389 (talk) 18:32, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

6 or 7?

Well which is it? Some text says 6, RS site says 7, is that newer or what? Mamabear47 21:50, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

There are 6 original brothers, a 7th gets added after a quest. You reach maximum potential of getting a barrows item after killing 6 brothers, but the item is never related to a brother that you didn't kill. 22:48, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

anyone noticed the target arrow is indicating the incorrect brother in the crypts? but not in the tunnels? BasementJaxx 22:35, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

It seems completely random, sometimes the arrow is correct in the normal crypts too. It can be wrong in the tunnels as well, but the chance is lower there since there are usually less players in any given room there. 22:50, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

Void knight equipment

It is worth getting void knight armour for barrows? or is it better to just use ahrim's? Nootropic (talk) 23:26, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

new item guide possibly?

I have three points that I wish to make here

First I question as to why we include degradable armors above barrows as the loss of efficiency incurred by repair costs could easily be too great for a player to make profitable runs after having to pay for repairs on their equipment.  Melee barrows gear on the other hand, provided you are not needing a set effect, can be easily replaced by the rewards chest and as a result incurs much lower losses. If anyone has numbers to say that the greater cost incurred is worth the benefits PLEASE post them I am trying to keep an open mind on this subject

Secondly, degradable weapons could also incur losses much greater than would be made from the rewards.  however as they may speed up the runs to a point where they become profitable again I am trying to keep an open mind again if anyone has numbers on the subject PLEASE post them

Third  it should be noted that the one brother who is weak to melee combat is weak specifically to stabbing attacks which raises the question as to why crushing and slashing weapons are on the gear section of the guide if anyone has numbers as to the actual effectiveness of these weapons please post them as I am trying to be open minded for all of this 71.213.43.120 16:35, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Source for Barrows drop rates?

What is the source for

"For every brother killed, there is a roll for the brother's item. This chance starts at 1/450 and decreases by 116 for every brother, capping at 1/44. Therefore, killing 4 brothers is required for the maximum chance per roll. Killing a brother will only add their items to the chest as a possible reward, so if a certain brother's items are undesired, he can be ignored without decreasing the chance for a desired item per roll (assuming at least 4 are killed); however, this would decrease the chance of obtaining an item overall. Killing additional brothers past 4 will not increase the odds per roll beyond 1/44; however, it will add an extra, independent roll, thus increasing the chance of obtaining any item. Each roll can produce any brother's equipment, and a brother can be rolled by multiple rolls. It is possible to obtain multiple pieces of Barrows equipment from a single chest, but it is not possible for those pieces to be the exact same item"

I remember seeing a source at one point, but can't find it anymore.

84.106.1.235 20:22, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

Please remove the drop rate nonsense of a 1/44 chance for each brother killed at 4 brothers and adding an additional roll for each additional brother- this suggests 7 rolls (assuming killing Akrisae and not Linza) of 1/44 for close to a 15% chance or near 1/8 drop rate but is not backed by any source or sample size. I've seen no credible drop samples exceeding even 500 chests that comes close to a 1/8 drop rate. This is very misleading.AzuraSkyy (talk) 22:54, April 23, 2017 (UTC)

https://goo.gl/mPL1ZZ show a barrows drop log with a sample size of 1,000. They obtained 124 barrows items, giving a 12.4% chance to get a barrows item from the chest on average. This shows a (roughly) 1 in 8 chance of getting a barrows item.Coolbiscuitlol (talk) 20:22, October 3, 2017 (UTC)

Correction

I had a barrows chest give me two guthan spears in one chest before. The "Impossible to get two of the same item" in the main article is untrue.

~Loli Pounder 73.178.161.5 19:57, October 3, 2017 (UTC)

Mod post on drop rates incorrect.

Is there any chance to update how loot is calculated? Because the brothers do NOT count as only 2 reward potential each like what is said here: http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/forums.ws?74,75,52,65949497,goto,17#160. "If this fails, then we roll the regular drop table. The loot on the regular drop table is dependent on the total combat level of creatures you've killed in the tunnels and how many brothers you've killed. The maximum number for combined total combat level of creatures killed is 1,000. We then take this number and add it to Number of Brothers killed multiplied by 2. This means that the maximum random roll we can achieve is 1,014. Once we have our random number, we random it and see what drop we get based on the below table."

The text in bold is incorrect in the current game. The brothers combat levels, in addition to the combat level of the creatures you've killed, added to the number of brothers killed multiplied by 2 determines reward potential. This means killing 6 brothers is 912/1014 reward potential, not 12/1014 like the above would suggest. I can confirm this over with over 100 barrows chest count doing only the base 6 brothers, no Akrisae, no Linza, and no killcount. In those 100 runs I've gotten every common drop except the dragon med helm, and key halves. In addition to my own experience, this fellow at reddit can confirm having the same experience. reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/ayw7s1/display_loot_at_barrows_instead_of_creature/

Djfang (talk) 07:19, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Drop table wrong

In the "standard items" in the "reward section", it says "This table is only rolled if the above rolls failed", but I believe this is false. I have just recieved a barrows piece and a amulet of forsaken at the same time, as in the picture below. So I'm pretty sure the wiki has wrong info, but I don't know what I should write. Can anyone help, please? Sad Monkey (talk) 11:54, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

There are multiple chances for unique drops. It is possible to obtain multiple barrows pieces, multiple amulets of the forsaken, etc. These rolls are independent. The number of rolls is described by ${\displaystyle {\text{min}}(N+1,7)}$ where ${\displaystyle N}$ is the number of barrow brothers killed. A single roll is like this:
Check if roll is a Linza piece → Check if roll is a Barrows equipment piece (non-Linza) → Amulet of forsaken/Corrupt sigil/rest of standard drops
Hopefully this helps. -- sfox (talk) 18:15 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Akrisae the Doomed drops?

Shouldn't we add the drops from Akrisae the Doomed since it says "Pieces can be obtained by killing Akrisae the Doomed in the Barrows after completing the quest."

HexedHero (talk) 03:17, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Do you mean somewhere other than the bottom of the other barrows equipment section under rewards? -- sfox (talk) 04:05 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Question about the equal probability of getting pieces

In the "Rewards" section, it says "All of the eligible Barrows items have equal odds of being rewarded." but the linked drop rate confirmation posts don't seem to back that up, unless I'm misunderstanding something. To cite the Revealing Drop Rates forum post:

"First of all, we take how many brothers you've killed and then random it. Whatever this number corresponds to is what sort of equipment you'll get based on the numbers below. Each of the unique items on each brother's table has the same drop chance as each other.".

To me this implies each brother's drop table has an equal chance of being selected, and from a given brother's drop table, each item is equally likely. But since not all the drop tables have the same number of items, this to me doesn't seem to conclude that each item has an equal chance of being awarded. For example, assuming all 7 brothers were killed, the odds of getting Akrisae's hood would be (1/7)*(1/4) = 3.57%. However, the odds of getting Ahrim's book would be (1/7)*(1/6) = 2.38%, making a specific Akrisae's piece 50% more likely to be awarded than a specific Ahrim's piece (even though the odds of any Ahrim's piece is still equally likely as any Akrisae's piece).

Is my understanding correct? Or were the drop-rates re-adjusted to account for this when the dual-weild variants were added in?

Koveshel (talk) 08:14, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

I think your understanding is correct and I have reworded the section to reflect this. -- sfox (talk) 19:13 20 January 2021 (UTC)