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Questions[edit source]

Why are you asking questions?

You should also never Use "I" or "You" unless its in an interview..

Soul Banner 10:06, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

This is an editorial. As the author, I don't see why I'm disallowed from passing comments during my article. Please, stop editing it, thank you. C.ChiamTalk 10:10, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

You are being "Conversational" my edit was being "Formal" but i understand your concern as being the author --Soul Banner 10:26, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

1. :an article in a newspaper or other periodical presenting the opinion of the publisher, editor, or editors.

C.ChiamTalk 10:40, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

constant moaning[edit source]

no exscuse to be f2p. members is extremelety under priced for what you get. stop giving those 11 year old f2ps attention they dont deserve to be mentioned --Defence cape (t).png Rabbit FearArmadyl godsword.png 05:09, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

I do suggest you properly read the article to understand the point I'm driving across, which is not a complaint against members, but rather to make the point that Jagex seemingly going against a previous stand of theirs, and the possibility that history might in fact be repeating itself. As to your comment "No excuse to be f2p", I'm going to have to disagree, as there are a variety of reasons why long-time players aren't always members, most often being schoolwork, lack of time, and the like. C.ChiamTalk 15:52, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

I read every single word and you're talking about jagex advertising mebers on the login screen and how it's comparing members to f2p. There's so little to do in f2p it's almost not worth having. --Defence cape (t).png Rabbit FearArmadyl godsword.png 05:09, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

Your point? C.ChiamTalk 11:46, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

My point is why that f2p isnt really worth having all they can really do well in is basic skills like woodcutting fishing and firemaking and even then theyd have to do it the slow way, with fishing theres no lobster spots anywhere near a bank on the f2p map so med lvl fishers would struggle to get very far. f2p woodcutters have the advantage of being nearer banks than they are when fishing but the highest lvl tree they can cut - yews, are always crowded. f2p firemakers can firemake near a bank, though once again they are limited to what they can do. tl;dr: f2p sucks because theres so little to do. --Defence cape (t).png Rabbit FearArmadyl godsword.png 05:09, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

Okay...fair enough. What does that have to do with the article? It doesn't talk about whether f2p is worth having or not. C.ChiamTalk 05:23, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

But it talks about F2P in effect giving them attention they dont deserve. --Defence cape (t).png Rabbit FearArmadyl godsword.png 18:51, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm...[edit source]

I'm not sure if it's so much about purely "advertising" than just about the lack of interface design skills of the developer. A fundamental design rule that was missed here is: Don't give the user too many options. The main area or the first thing the user sees is full of this information that, quite frankly, nobody benefits from. I mean, I'm sure F2P players already know what Members have and I'm pretty sure Members have a pretty good idea of what they're getting. There's simply TOO MUCH information and too many buttons/options. Someone definitely screwed up here, big time.  Zaros symbol.png    « Iceman »      12:53, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Disagreement[edit source]

Firstly, I'd like to compliment the writing style; it's a well written peice. However, I regret to say that I disagree with the points you've laid out:

The basic premise of this article is that the login screen has advertising at the beginning. While obviously the point of advertising is to "promote a service" (the members world), I don't see it as being quite that malicious.

Firstly, it's not exactly the most imposing advertising, the only time you'll see it is when you're logging in, and even then most people would simply start ignoring the content and automate the process; I certainly have. It seems really silly getting worried about something you'll see for a few seconds every time you visit Runescape.

Secondly, I can't imagine Jagex staff sitting around the table discussing ways to place an advert on the login page; it seems more like a opportunity that arose when they realised there wasn't much meat to the first thing you see. As a result, I'd prefer to think of it as eye-candy.

Lastly; hypothetically if you'd to have agreed with the above: this small little reminder that the members world exists could be for those new players who honestly didn't realise. Not everyone explores the website as much as veterans do, and this tiny little advertisment can concisely explain exactly what there is to get when you upgrade!

Simsarmy 22:53, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to agree with Simsarmy here. I'm a pure f2p player and a veteran player and I haven't been too bothered about the More Information Button or the fact that there is a seperate button to Login for Members. I actually find it that it has it's several uses one of which I will list here and I suggest you add in the article since it's very biased to pointing out that it was a marketing ploy.

1) Automatic Selection of Free World / Member World - Now us f2pers won't notice it, but my friend told me about it since he has members. Members to enjoy member benefits need to play on Member servers, when they go through the members login it automatically selects them a Member's server and they can just select to Play if they have no preferred server.

Comparing this with the previous attempts such as the Video Ads which were really annoying and which needed to be removed. I didn't mind the Gnomecopters since it wasn't forced upon us to use them or view them as such so it wasn't really of a big deal. So please stop your moaning and get a grip on yourself. Jagex ARE a company they are going to be trying to get membership conversions and renewals done. I feel this way is NON-intrusive, it isn't forced upon you like a Video advertisement, you can just ignore it.

~ <3dragon

Fair enough, but I am not planning to make any changes to the article as it is, I would rather leave it in its original form. Now again, I have my opinion and you have yours, just because we disagree does not give you the right to label my opinion as "moaning", it is just rude and immature to do so. Thanks. C.ChiamTalk 08:57, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Note from the Editor[edit source]

While I appreciate you taking interest in the Rswp, I would prefer if you ask permission first before editing articles,


Newspaper Jack

I know the answer[edit source]

Because jagex is a company, they need to make money. sure they have enough money already but they want more  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fllour (talk) on 28 June 2010.