RuneScape:Requests for deletion/Calsidiu

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. The result was Keep. ʞooɔ 23:10, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Calsidiu[edit source]

This NPC does not appear in-game. I don't even recall hearing his name from the Myreque quest series. Since this has no extra canon attached to it, it should follow the precedents set by Granite boots, Lucien's daughter, and Gravy Boat.

Though the correspondence from the Myreque seem to suggest that he exists, we must consider such correspondence in their context. I would say that it's highly probable for an organization that is fighting a losing war to exaggerate its numbers (for strategic and morale reasons). Since the information is ambiguous, it only seems to confirm that theory, as different members do not seem to be able to get their story straight. Furthermore, the fact that his name unscrambles to suicidal supports the notion that he is a fictional person made up by members of the Myreque to relate their current situation. That previous paragraph killed me to write, since I am pro-Myreque.

For those who may be concerned that this is canon, it is not. A quick search on the knowledge base for "Calsidiu" turns up nothing. A Google search for Calsidiu on returns only forum posts, which is seen by removing "forum" from the search words. The forums certainly do not count as canon, since those threads were originated by RuneScape players, not Jagex.

I would support either outright deletion or a redirect to Myreque. --LiquidTalk 00:41, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Note: At the request of Cook, I'm going to add this addendum. I will say that though I don't recall finding any mention of him, I do believe he was mentioned somewhere (probably in the letters found from the chimney or a book found in the Paterdomus library). Otherwise, this article would have been speedy deleted already. However, I should stress that the fact he was mentioned is fairly irrelevant; it's the fact that he is not seen that is important, since Lucien's daughter and the Gravy Boat were mentioned but not seen, and were deleted for that reason. If Calsidiu is ever released (say, in the next Myreque quest) then this article can be recreated with updated information. --LiquidTalk 00:54, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Delete - As nominator. --LiquidTalk 00:41, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - You really should wait until you get all of the information. Wait before deleting the page. I'm asking in different places about him. I can't take a stance on this with there being no evidence for him at the moment, but if it turns out he is mentioned ingame, I would oppose this, as he is a very important person in the Myreque order. I wish you would have held off on this RfD until we could confirm or deny his existence in the lore. ʞooɔ 00:46, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I was ready to say "NO WTF U DOIN" but having read your post, you could be right there. While I don't doubt that the guy was mentioned (if he wasn't then successful vandal was successful), but it may be that it was a mistake that someone overlooked or... something. So I'm not going to say delete/merge, as I'm against deleting pretty much any article that's not about players or whatever, but I guess if it does get deleted, it can easily be remade if Calsidiu is mentioned or met in Myreque 5. 00:47, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Investigate Further - The argument that the Myreque are exaggerating their numbers is pure speculation, and is not substantiated by any in-game dialogue or developments in the quest series whatsoever. The Knowledge Base's lack of information on the subject means nothing, as the Knowledge Base is a very brief guide to the game and is missing information on hundreds, if not thousands, of topics, including many in-game NPCs, locations, etc. The information in this article should be investigated before any action is taken. Quest.png Morian Smith Saradomin crozier.png 00:53, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Delete - Per nom. --Coolnesse 01:16, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - We can assume that he is mentioned by Sani Piliu and Polmafi Ferdygris. I think SaradominO o is going to do the quest and see if he is mentioned. If he is, I'm opposing this. He has a decent chance of future creation, is not a joke, and is an important figure within the Myreque movement. If we delete this, we will set a terrible precedent. ʞooɔ 01:26, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Like I said, the fact that he is mentioned is assumed by this RfD. Look at Lucien's daughter and Gravy Boat of Saradomin: they were mentioned, but still merged/redirected. The fact that his name unscrambles to suicidal indicates that there is a good chance this may be a joke by Jagex. It's simply an indication of the frustration felt by the Myreque. Sani and Polmafi were in close proximity to one another; there is a good chance that they are saying "oh, let's follow suicidal, because that's really our current situation". --LiquidTalk 01:29, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Keep - At least until we get more information. HaloTalk 02:38, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Per the historical genius. Also, we have an :File:Polmafi_Ferdygris_talking_about_Calsidiu.png|image of its explicit mentioning.222 talk 02:44, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Keep - Per above. ajr 02:46, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Keep - Saradomin O_o got the image, there is no point of deleting information. bad_fetustalk 14:30, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Keep - after seeing the image, I have changed my mind to keep. Lucien's Daughter deserved merging because of the chance that it was just a passing reference that didn't actually matter to anyone and that Lucien just made it up to insult the player. I very much doubt that is the case with Calsidiu. It seems very unlikely to me that Polmafi would just go "o yea lol sorri i ment Safalaan" and Calsidiu would never be mentioned again. I vote the article stays. 16:51, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Keep - Since I have now seen concrete evidence of this subject's referencing, I strongly support keeping and improving the article. The notion that there is some conspiracy amongst the game's characters is completely unfounded speculation, and Calsidiu being an anagram of "suicidal" could mean anything or nothing at all. Keep in mind that the In Search of the Myreque quest has a history of seemingly random plays on characters' names, such as Vanstrom Klaus and Ivan Strom (I Vanstrom). The idea that the Myreque are trying to exaggerate their numbers is also completely insupported, as their desperate situation is presented very openly by them throughout the series. Quest.png Morian Smith Saradomin crozier.png 23:14, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Keep - Per 222, Asp, and others. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 23:17, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Keep = Per Morian. Armadyl symbol.png Nightgunner Talk Illuminated Book of Law.png 01:35, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Keep - Per the picture. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 01:38, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Keep - Per 222. --Coolnesse 19:45, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Keep - Per all, plus the screenshot evidence. Real Crazy 20:12, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - As per article creation. Since I created the article in the first place, I can of course vouch for the references to be real. I do however agree with Liquidhelium that the unscrambling may hold more. Though, it is a HUGE coincidence that TWO! persons both refer to the resistance as being led by Calsidiu, independantly noticing the individual. However, it should be considered that it is strange his name was only mentioned during In Search of the Myreque. As for the non-availability in Google-searches and the like... There's more NPC's like those. Some NPC's are just 'secret' like Calsidiu, some in-game, some not in-game. To be honest, the Monkey Priest during the Jungle Demon Fight in Monkey Madness is pretty unknown, too. ArnoudX 17:32, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Keep Muhahaa 10:58, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Request for closure - Now that we know it exists, with obvious proof as well; this discussion should be closed. 222 talk 03:51, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - Keep. ʞooɔ 23:10, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

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