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:Category:Slang|Slang articles

If you'll notice, by the request of a user, I've changed the format to keep voting simple. Use # to add the numbers up, please.

The slang page has been redirected to Player Dictionary. As Wowbagger stated, it's more comprehensive than slang.

Before I start, I'd like to clarify that this VfD is to delete the all slang articles and categories except the central slang page.

I've made the [http://runescape.wikia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=180 forum] about it, and now that I see people are agreeing, I'm going to go ahead and do this. We don't need an article for slang if it's already covered at the central article. One might think, "Well, beer is already covered at Cooking, why not do the same?" That's not the case. Beer covers other areas of information that wouldn't be relevant to Cooking, while slang articles don't cover anything new. They're not needed. I urge you to look at the new [http://runescape.wikia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=172 rules], and please read the arguments posed instead of voting for the sake of voting. --Sαcrε (edit my sig) | (edit my user page) 00:08, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I've found a solution. Because there are so many articles in this namespace, why not ask wikia staff to create a "slang" namespace and then move every single slang article into it. For example, "w8" would become "slang:w8" an all of the old slang pages would redirect to the new ones. Anyone like it?Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 00:09, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Endasil had a good idea. Infact, when this is over we can redirect them all to the player dictionary. Or would you preffer I do it now?Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 17:46, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
May as well do it now, this discussion has snowballed anyway. Skill 17:51, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Delete

  1. Well, I nominated it. --Sαcrε (edit my sig) | (edit my user page) 00:08, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
  2. Agreed. Tesfan 00:11, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
  3. I agree, the articles aren't really nesseccary, or however you spell it. --Themurasame HiscoresMura 00:41, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
  4. I never really thought the 'Slang' pages were useful. Chaoticar 05:03, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
  5. Even the slang article is unnecessary. Player Dictionary has more terms and was around first. --Wowbagger421 05:45, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
  6. Agree. King Black Dragon.png This dude is evil King Black Dragon.png like hellKorak 09:15, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
  7. The articles are redundant and largely irrelevant. There is no reason to keep them other than as redirects to the main article. And good to see someone read my vote up there :) Skill 09:48, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
  8. What Wowbaggsta said. =D The Nifty One, Speckle 19:17, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
  9. More useless stuff..Scythe.png Atlandy 19:47, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
  10. I vote for redirecting them all to the Player Dictionary, using the letter anchors on the page to point the user to the correct section in the PD (WTF would redirect to Player Dictionary#W) Wikipedia does keep many slang terms as redirects instead of deleting the articles, ex Wikipedia:That's What She Said. Endasil (Talk) @ 17:44, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
    1. Supporting a redirect all to their respective player dictionary headings. Woodcutting-icon.pngHyenastetalk 17:52, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Keep

  1. Seems like I'm alone on this, but I think it is useful if someone says something to you you don't understand. Just an opinion. ^^ Owned by >>> Da Cashman! W00T? Lol?Dungeoneering 19:02, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
    1. Comment:Which is why the central slang article is being kept- that has enough information. --Themurasame Hiscores 19:25, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
  2. Knightgod444: They should all redirect to the player dictionary instead of deleting them —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Knightgod444 (talk).
  3. Slang is a part of RuneScape language. Many players use it and it's a part of RuneScape. If you were to delete this then you could also delete the articles on pures and skillers and also the clan article. None of them art part of the actual game Jagex programed and created, are they?Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 00:06, 1 August 2007 (UTC) Indeed, why not just redirect them all to the player dictionary, as Endasil mentioned above in the delete section.Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 17:49, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Comment That is why we are keeping one article, not separate ones on "2" or W8Scythe.png Atlandy 00:09, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Comment Please read my comment above (at the top of the page bellow Sacre's). It's my solution to this problem.Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 00:11, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Comment I read it...I understand you want to keep your mainspace edits, but w8? cmon...00:14, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Ermm... No it's not about mainspace edits (or perhaps not entirely) but people come to this wiki for information about RuneScape and about things IN it, not only things part of it. I'm suggesting a move of namespace, if you think it's completely because of main edits, I'd understand. I've made... maybe 100 edits in that part of the wiki but I think there's some valuable information in those articles that ought not to be thrown into the rubbish bin.Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 00:19, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Once again we fall into the arguement "is it part of runescape and does it have a place on the wiki" While I understand that "internet slang" is a part of runescape. And, eventhough I am against it, one page with all the internet slang is fine. But to have separate articles on "4", or "kk" or "ty" is moronic. Also (or perhaps not entirely) speaks volumes about your vote.Scythe.png Atlandy 00:27, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Well you know trying to fit all of those 50 articles into one with different sections would make the longest article on the wiki, no doubt. I think I'll go try it... =|Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 00:31, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Wrong, nothing will beat out Treasure Trails or constructed items with all their table coding. ChristineTalk 00:58, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Comment: Ilyas, to give you a direct response to your idea, I think namespaces are meant to be pretty much set in stone. Every wiki basically has a User, Project (Runescape), Main (article), Mediawiki, etc namespace, and no extras. To suggest that it should be in a different namespace is to suggest that it should be in a separate Wiki. Either it fits in the Main namespace or it doesn't fit at all. And if you can give me a few articles on slang that couldn't be summed up in one line, please post them. Endasil (Talk) @ 14:45, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

(restart indentation) I don't think a pseudo-article namespace for the fifty or so :Category:Slang articles is really necessary. If you really want to keep the separate articles they can be moved to user space or something, not a new namespace. If we're making a namespace just for slang we may as well empty out main and put everything into items, monsters, etc namespaces. As for article length, player dictionary is already longer than 98% of articles on the wiki. I don't think length is a very big issue. Skill 04:19, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

"I don't think length is a very big issue"...too many jokes Scythe.png Atlandy 16:22, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


Comment I don't think the main issue here is relevence to the game. I think the main issue is, "do you really need a seperate page to tell you that "2" also means "too"?" Tesfan 16:26, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Comment That is my main point, Thanks Tesfan Scythe.png Atlandy 16:29, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

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Quest items

This page is completely pointless. It's an attempt to keep a list of Quest-only items. Reasons for deletion:

  1. It's impossible to maintain. Each new quest introduces tons of new items.
  2. There is already Category:Quest items which is much better suited to the job as it's automatically updated when the category is included on new Quest item pages.
  3. The only thing this page has going for it is that it separates free items from member items, but who really cares?

Votes:

Delete: 3
Keep: 0

Endasil (Talk) @ 18:49, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

Comment It should be noted that hundreds of pages link to this page, but only through use of Template:Infobox Item. I would suggest that we change the link in that template to point to Category:Quest items  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Endasil (talk).
Delete - I never liked the idea of writing articles on categories. --Sαcrε (edit my sig) | (edit my user page) 18:56, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Delete I agree. It would be way to hard to maintain. Sysop crown.svgTes FanSysop crown.svg 18:59, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

BTW my vote is of course Delete. Endasil (Talk) @ 03:26, 4 August 2007 (UTC)


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Template:CVU Member and Category:Counter Vandalism Unit

Vandalism, and reverting vandalism, is not a game. These imply that users are part of an organization that fights vandalism. Really, the CVU should just be a page to report vandalism. Making an organization to fight the vandals only encourages the vandals. Dtm142 22:04, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Delete

  1. Delete I agree. Sysop crown.svgTes FanSysop crown.svg 22:07, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
  2. Support - and as RR said here and Dtm reitterated, vandalism is not a game.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Clv309 (talk).
  3. SupportScythe.png Atlandy 22:13, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
  4. Delete We're not as big as Wikipedia, we don't need a counter vandalism unit as an organization. Skill 22:14, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
  5. Support, I guess we should delete because th whole wiki is kinda part of the counter vandal unit. And your right about vandalism not being a game. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 07:35, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
  6. Delete - the organization, category and the template are kind of pointless... they serve no purpose at all because everyone reports vandalism whether they're a cvu member or not. If we had constant vandalism, we would need a counter-vandalism unit because the cvu members would be dedicated to reverting the vandalism, but since we don't have a massive vandalism problem, it's overkill. I don't think anyone on the wiki is pure counter-vandalism either. No one looks for it, they just report it as they see it. Slayer-icon.png Gangsterls Divination-icon.png talk07:46, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
  7. Agree King Black Dragon.png This dude is evil King Black Dragon.png like hellKorak 13:42, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
  8. Delete Category - I don't think that the category is necessary, and it's FULL of random users that don't revert vandalism. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!I have 12 friends. 20:26, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
  9. Delete Chicken7 is right, all the wiki is a CVU, it would be good to delete the category, but i think some people consider the template cool, im not sure if the template should be deleted--Jigo22 00:17, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
  10. Delete I see what you mean. Besides, this is an old template that Shadowdancer created when he started the CVU. Back then it seemed to make sense but now, it really doesn't seem as though CVU is a "vandal fighting team". Also, who's Chicken7? Chiafriend12?Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 20:24, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Chicken7 is Jamesadams7. As far as I know, he isn't a sockpuppet of Chiafriend12. Dtm142 20:39, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Ahh... because Chia's comment was above Jigo so I thought he might be refering to Chia but maybe read the name wrong. No, I wasn't implying that he's a sockpuppet.Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 20:42, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
  1. Delete This dosen't make sense, because most of the people who joined the Rs Wikia joined to correct and devandilize (sp?) it's articles, so basically almost everyone is a Vandal Fighter. If you want a template to say so, I suggest something like this:
Vandalism This user is a Vandal Fighter, and is also part of the CVU! Die Vandals!

Flango2 user·edits·chat·sign here, please16:07, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

That would completely defeat the purpose of deleting the template, if not make it worse. Dtm142 18:57, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
  1. Delete : anyone can revert vandalism, there is no need to make sth special about it IMO. Patheticcockroach 16:35, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
  2. Delete Bowman hat.pngTarikochi 20:42, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


Keep

  1. Keep Template - I see nothing wrong with this, so I see no reason to delete. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!I have 12 friends. 20:24, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
  2. Keep Template - We need someone official to delete spam! I say we keep it Lupy314 19:31, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

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Ardougne

Hi. I think this article is ready to be deleted or turned into a disambiguation page. The two articles, East and West Ardougne are both complete and up-to-date and cover all, if not, more information than this article. Please state you comments and thoughts. Thankyou, Chicken7 >talk 11:46, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Delete

  1. Me but I think it should be transformed into to a disambig page and have a short description. Chicken7 >talk 11:46, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
  2. I will make it into a disambig page if anyone else agrees with us. King Black Dragon.png This dude is evil King Black Dragon.png like hellKorak 12:37, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
  3. Turn into disambig. Sysop crown.svgTes FanSysop crown.svg 14:57, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
  4. Turn into disambiguation page for East and West Ardougne. Dtm142 18:06, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
  5. Disambiguation They're two different cities really, and no need to list everything twice. Skill 21:47, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
  6. Disambiguation Just pointing out that the official RuneScape world map labels two separate towns called West Ardougne and East Ardougne. Ardougne should be a disambiguation page, as each certainly justifies its own article, and having the Ardougne article outlining both together only duplicates information. Leevclarke 22:16, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Keep

  1. Save Although they might as well be two different cities, both combined is still called Ardougne. Edenane 11:11, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
They are two different cities (towns?), and there is a big wall separating them with only one door. Leevclarke 22:18, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox Currency, Template:Infobox Food, Template:Infobox Monster wide

Monster wide is not used at all, while food is used on three pages. Currency is used on a few pages but I don't think it's needed, as the "currencies" that someone thought to group together have little in common, and an item infobox will do fine. I have no idea how much support this will get but it's worth a try anyway. Skill 20:56, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

A little extra - if you vote keep for the food or currency ones, please give the reason why the standard item box is insufficient. Skill 22:22, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Delete

  1. Me obviously. Skill 20:56, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  2. Agreed. They seem rather redundent. Sysop crown.svgTes FanSysop crown.svg 21:03, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  3. Baleted...Homestar styleScythe.png Atlandy 21:58, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  4. I support the deletion of Template:Infobox Food because it is rarely used. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!I have 12 friends. 22:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  5. I support the deletion of Template:Infobox Monster wide because the verticle one is just fine, and it is under-used. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!I have 12 friends. 22:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  6. Template:Infobox Monster wide should be deleted. The template which is already in use looks much nicer. Earthere 23:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
  7. The wide monster one should be deleted. But keep the food and currency ones.King Black Dragon.png This dude is evil King Black Dragon.png like hellKorak 15:34, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Keep

  1. I oppose the deletion of Template:Infobox Currency because it is being used to it's near full potential, and there's nothing wrong with that, and because currencies that use the item infobox template turn out with about half of the slots having "N/A" or "Un-alchable" in it. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!I have 12 friends. 22:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
    1. Are things like archery tickets alchable? I would try myself, but I have no natures... Skill 22:16, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
      1. Probably not. Earthere 23:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
        1. I made myself some natures and tried. Archery tickets alch for 15 coins, while castle wars tickets alch for none. So this argument only really applies to coins, then; I don't think we need to create a separate infobox for one item, do we? Skill 02:42, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
  2. This is a good template. General me 22:25, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
    1. Which one? All three? Skill 23:32, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
  3. Template:Infobox Food just isn't used where it should be. Ex., we should change from the item template to the food template in Lobster. Earthere 23:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
    1. The only thing that the food infobox has over the standard item box is the addition of a few food-specific fields. If the food infobox were adopted as the standard for food items, then it would just be a precedent for others to create specific infoboxes for every category of item giving basic characteristics. Infoboxes aren't a replacement for article text and should remain that way. Skill 02:56, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
  4. Keep Template:Infobox Currency per Chiafriend's reasons. Earthere 23:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
  5. Keep Template:Infobox Currency per Chiafriend and Earthere's reasons. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 07:48, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
  6. Weak Keep for Template:Infobox Food. It just needs to be added to all the articles that require this. If it is kept I will help do this. Chicken7 >talk 07:48, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
  7. I must admit I did not know that the food item infobox template existed! Now that I know it is there, I would certainly use it, and would not want it to be deleted. Whilst an infobox should not be a substitute for a proper encyclopaedic article about an item, it does provide an "at a glance" summary of one food item as compared with another. Definitely a "keep" for me at least. Leevclarke 11:09, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
  8. Keep and modify the Template:Infobox Food. In my opinion it should be be used in addition to the Template:Infobox Item. Please read my additional comments on its talk page Jard Al Thor 17:48, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
    1. Yes, that seems like a good idea. Perhaps as an infobar instead of an infobox, for aesthetic reasons? Skill 07:28, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
  9. Keep As Chiafriend12 stated earlier, the Template:Infobox Currency is being used to its capacity. Though I have not seen many RECENT articles with the Template:Infobox Currency, I believe the ones that have it should stay the same. Why fix something when it isn't broken in the first place? --Liferune.png Piety.png JalYt-Xil-BicycleCat user | talk | sandbox Chivalry.png Liferune.png 18:24, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
    1. The currency box is somewhat redundant, as the item box could take its place. The only field it adds is the exchange rate, which isn't applicable to many currencies and could be handled by store/street price in most cases. Alchemy values and other fields not in the currency box do in fact apply to the currencies that are using the box, except in the case of coins. Skill 07:35, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

(As it's getting a bit cluttered.)

I took a look at each of the five items that currently use the currency infobox. The main argument above to keep this box was that many of the item infobox fields didn't apply to the currency articles and so a custom infobox is needed.

Note that I didn't have a tokkul to try to alch, and none of the other fansite item databases will tell me if they're alch-able or not. However my counter-argument here is just as valid even if tokkul aren't alch-able, and I think they probably are anyway.

All of the items currently using the template, except coins (and possibly tokkul), were alch-able. So they should be handled no differently than any other non-tradable item, or tradable item in the case of archery tickets. Please don't tell me that we need a separate template because a few fields don't apply to one or two articles. Skill 08:25, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Can't we simply add alchemy fields to the item currency template? Earthere 15:46, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
They are in the item box, and they'll be used for most of the pages currently using the currency box. That was the point I was trying to get across. Skill 18:14, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
The reason that everyone has been giving for using the currency box instead of the item one was that too many fields were unused... but they are used, except in the case of coins... Skill 22:19, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
I made an item infobox for archery tickets here. It looks really empty, doesn't it. Definitely empty enough to make a separate infobox. Skill 22:53, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Stacks and Weight are irrelevant. Again, I see nothing wrong with using the currency template. All of its fields are relevant for currency, and after adding a couple more rows, it will be fine. Earthere 14:40, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
So we should create a separate infobox for stackable items then? Throw in one for untradable items too, because two fields don't apply there either Skill 02:56, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
No. Earthere 15:31, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Conclusion: Template:Infobox Currency and Template:Infobox Food were kept, Template:Infobox Monster wide was unused and was deleted. Slayer-icon.png Gangsterls Divination-icon.png talk22:02, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


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Fan site

1. Jagex doesn't recognize these as part of the game.

2. Some fansites have security issues or cheating problems.

3. It's a bad idea to send traffic from our site to other fansites. Dtm142 20:58, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Delete

  1. Delete Scythe.png Atlandy 21:31, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
  2. I don't see why we are basically advertising our competition? Why not just put a link to RuneHQ on our main page and say: "Click here to begin" and delete ourslves.
  3. I say get rid of it. As the guy above me(didn't sign) said, we're advertising other sites(possibly without their permission)and making things worse for us. And the possibility of getting a keylogger or something.Chef's hat.png Altarius95 The Master Cook! Talk to me Cooking cape (t).png

Keep

  1. Keep - Points 1 & 2 are good points which should be addressed in the article. Point 3 - This wiki should be more like Wikipedia rather than just another fansite. Wikipedia has no problem with listing other online encyclopedia Wikipedia:Internet encyclopedia project. Why should we?. I would rather be more inclusive to give readers as much information to help them enjoy playing RS. If we do this, then they will come back. Chrislee33 21:30, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
"Given the number of RuneScape fansites in existence it would be impossible for us to list them all and therefore in the interests of remaining fair and unbiased we will not list any. Please remember that ALL fansites are entirely separate from RuneScape and Jagex and we are NOT responsible for any content which appears on them." Personally, I think that's a great reason to not do it here either. Dtm142 21:33, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
  1. Keep for a few reasons:
  1. As said above, we should be like Wikipedia and list them.
  2. Jagex recognizes fan sites, not as part of the game, but they allow them, and even have a part of them in the manual. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 22:38, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
We aren't Wikipedia. Many of their policies are completely different from ours. The only links we should have are article references and our official affiliates. Dtm142 23:17, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
  1. the article is informative. General me 23:17, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Just because it's informative doesn't mean that the subject is appropriate for the wiki. If someone wrote an informative article about pornography, we'd delete it especially if they included examples or linked to porn sites. Dtm142 02:02, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Remove examples

  1. I think it should be cut down to just give a description of what a fansite is, not examples. Skill 23:18, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
  2. Remove example of websites. Sysop crown.svgTes FanSysop crown.svg 23:30, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
  3. Keep but remove examples of fansites. As fansites are a part of the RuneScape community, the need to have a Fansite article is sufficient to warrant a description of fansites. The only thing that would need to be deleted would be the lists and examples of actual fansites, as they are not needed to describe the term "fansite". The examples would also need to be deleted as they draw attention away from the RuneScape Wiki, which would be something we really need to avoid. To sum it all up, keep the description, but remove the actual fansites. --Liferune.png Piety.png JalYt-Xil-BicycleCat user | talk | sandbox Chivalry.png Liferune.png 19:19, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
  4. Keep fansite listings - they are not just examples of fansites, but the more or less top 10 sites by Alexa rankings. I would think that most players as well as most editors here are already using one or another fansite for finding information to improve their own playing enjoyment. We can add more information about them on what parts of their site is good or bad and in doing so make this wiki much better. Is anyone here only using just one website for anything they find on the Wide World Web? That would be narrowing your possibilities for finding as much information as you can. One of the forums on RuneVillage actually listed our site as a resource for doing the Hot Air Balloon part of the Varrock Diary. If we have a good site, then folks will return and recommend our site to others. Chrislee33 08:38, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
  5. The fansite listings need to go, even if the article doesn't. I really don't care about Alexa ratings. Alexa is just a bunch of spyware anyway . and we shouldn't direct traffic away from our site. If we have a good site, it shouldn't make a difference as to whether we advertise other sites. I'm perfectly fine with having affiliates, but if those jerks aren't going to link back to us (none have except RV) then we shouldn't link to them. Dtm142 22:19, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
  6. Keep but remove examples. Butterman62Ice Barrage icon.png 01:23, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
  7. Keep but remove links. -- Atlantima talk trade contribs 18:14, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
  8. KEEP But remove links. We explain everything about runescape, not just the gameplay. Fansites... are a part.

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TzHaar Fight Cave guide

Archive 1

After nine months of supposed clean-up, this article is still in a horrible mess. Some issues include:

  • Very sloppily done
  • Poor grammar
  • Images are being hosted on Photobucket rather than the Wikia
  • Opinionation
  • Still credited to a person (happy hunting :D ~m1ni)
  • While I might be incorrect, it might have been copied from another source. This one is just speculation though, and the first five points are more inexcusable.

I thought of placing the clean-up tag on it, but this was already proposed and it still is an eyesore. While we may have guides for other things, this one just doesn't seem worthwhile. Bowman hat.pngTarikochi 05:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Support: 4

Neutral/Pending: 0

Oppose: 11


Delete

  1. Supporting deletion, unless it can get some serious cleanup. --Themurasame Hiscores 05:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
  2. Balete or stick someone to clean it..Scythe.png Atlandy 22:05, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
  3. Weak delete unless it is improved to a higher standard. Normally I would say keep for something like this but it doesn't look like anyone has been working to clean it up. Perhaps the current version can be archived to a talk subpage and used to completely rewrite the article. Skill 22:39, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
  4. Weak Delete - It needs to be improved. Indeed, I remember when this article was at it's worst 9 months ago and now it's still a crap hole. We need to get new images (these ones are way too old and aren't the kind we want in an encyclopedia). I think one of our stronger players (Tarik or Themur) should go in and get new images. Then, we'll need to clean the article inside out to make it better. The reason for all of this is because someone who hadn't read the styles guide wrote it (you guys should look at the history, I remember I was around then).Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 14:57, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Comment I'd like to add, don't make this article just explain what the fight caves are (that's what TzHaar Fight Cave is for.) This is just suppoed to be a guide, to be placed alongside Crop run guide and Merchanting guide.

Keep

  1. Oppose for now - I'll try to clean it up. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!I have 12 friends. 05:29, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
    1. I've made an effort already. (https://runescape.wiki/index.php?title=TzHaar_Fight_Cave_Guide&diff=224338&oldid=224330) I'll do more, but it's time for bed for me. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!I have 12 friends. 05:41, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
  2. Keep. I'll help too. Butterman62Ice Barrage icon.png 01:27, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
  3. Oppose - except for possible plagiarism, none of the reasons given support a deletion. The page needs repair, not destruction. Woodcutting-icon.pngHyenastetalk template:signatures/Hyenaste 03:17, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
  4. Keep- Although it is poorly written, randomly placed and makes no sense; there is some good info hiding in there! I say salvage it and start afresh. E.T. Prod U (Talk) 14:34, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
  5. Keep I'll clean some up tonight Onyx.pngMalestro15:37, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
  6. Hey guys, let's delete another "cornerstone" article while we're at it! Keep May be coloured blue in the near future.earth(t)
  7. Keep I find this very helpful. Cashman286 talk 12:53, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
  8. Keep - there is some useful information in the guide on what to wear, etc. I haven't got the cape myself yet (failed twice) then noticed the guide has ideas I had not thought of. My intention is to use the guide next time I try. Amaurice talk 12:56, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
  9. Keep - Poorly written, but as Amaurice i intend to get fire cape, this guide gives good tricks...As soon as i retry the cave, i'will try to clean it up...Iban's staff rocks ! Urssaff talk 07:58, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
  10. Keep Ice 14:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
  11. Keep Piety.png Sir Lenehan File:Smite old.png|30px 19:54, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

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Buddies

Considering that it is a game from another website, not Runescape, it has no place on the wikiScythe.png Atlandy 17:18, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Support: 12

Neutral/Pending: 0

Oppose: 0


Delete

  1. Scythe.png Atlandy 17:18, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
  2. Delete There are articles on certain aspects of the game community, fine. But this is an aspect of another fansite's community, which is a completely different matter. We already removed the links to other sites from fan site, I see no reason to continue to advertise RuneHQ here. Skill 08:11, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
  3. Per above, and the article doesn't even say what a "buddies" is. I mean, that's kind of mandatory for an article! Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!I have 12 friends. 22:53, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
  4. It comes off as a veiled advertisement. Strong support. May be coloured blue in the near future.earth(t)
  5. ...But I think we should change it for the buddies you can hit in Varrock to train your attack stat.--Willow tree.pngJigo22Rune battleaxe.pngHave A Nice Day!!!Yay! 01:48, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
    1. Those would be dummies. Skill 02:24, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
    2. Yes... realized that today...--Willow tree.pngJigo22Rune battleaxe.pngHave A Nice Day!!!Yay! 00:25, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
  6. --Themurasame Hiscores 01:53, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
  7. Bowman hat.pngTarikochi 02:00, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
  8. ChristineTalk 02:23, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
  9. Support Sysop crown.svgTesFanSysop crown.svg 02:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
  10. Delete Ice 14:28, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
  11. Support The article doesn't even give any useful information about this topic. After reading the article, I still have no idea what it's talking about. Endasil (Talk) @ 23:28, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
  12. Delete. RuneHQ doesn't have a userboxes article, therefore we don't have a Buddies article. Dtm142 23:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Keep


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Compass (interface)

With a barren word count of four, the compass is not important enough for its own article. I have never seen it discussed in-game, let alone in any fansite. My solution is a merge with Mini-map, as the compass is adjacent to it anyhow. Earthere 20:25, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Many people say that Compass (interface) isn't important enough for its own article. About 190 words have been added since I requested this article's deletion. I withdraw my vote for merging. Honestly I am in favor of restarting this poll after so many changes. Earthere 20:25, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Keep

  1. I've expanded the article, hence it is no longer 4 words and somewhat better information.Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 15:17, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Lol? I learned the compass directions in 1st grade. Do not get me wrong, it's very nice of you to expand Compass However, as far as I am concerned, simple information like that doesn't justify an article. Sorry.Earthere 17:42, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
It says that they should be learned by fourth grade, but many of use learned them well before.Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 14:37, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
  1. Actually, I'm going to throw in the flag. Compass (interface) has reached a reasonable size. Thank you to everyone who expanded the article. Earthere 20:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I still say merge with interface, then delete this. Explaining how a compass works (as well as detailing the four directions and how to remember them) is not a topic for a RuneScape wiki, since a compass is a well-known object in real life. All that is needed is the RuneScape-specific aspects (e.g. using cursor left/right to rotate), which could easily be covered under the interface article. Leevclarke 22:30, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
  1. Unfortunatley, most people who play RS are dumb. If they use this wiki, and want to know how a compass works, they'll use this page over one about compasses. Say we sent them to Wikipedia, it's probably got a 10,000 word section about what colours they are... or something dumb like that. Anyways, I say keep it! E.T. Prod U (Talk) 14:43, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
A fair point - RuneScape users want a relatively simple answer that is specific to RS, and Wikipedia may give too much general information. However, I think that the concept of a compass will be familiar to anyone who uses this wiki (surely anyone who can use the Web has heard of a compass and what it is used for).
Let me put it this way: the article on bones does not explain that people have bones inside them to give their limbs rigidity, and nor should it do. Everyone knows conceptually what bones are - they article just explains what they are used for in RS.
The article on the compass here has been filled out with general information that people will already know (along with perhaps a little waffle). Yes it is now a reasonable length, but I do not believe that it is necessary to include this on the RS wiki.
Like I previously said below, the article here just needs to explain things like using the cursor keys to rotate the view. This could quite reasonably be included on the interface page, and I do not think that every little aspect of the interface needs its own article. Of course, anyone else is welcome to disagree.  :-) Leevclarke 19:26, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Delete

  1. Unless expanded to over 800 characters - Freaking small! It should have something like {{grande hyper ultra mega super stub}} in its text. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 05:51, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  2. Agree with chia. Dragon chainbody.pngEmosworldSysop crown.svg 06:39, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
    1. Unless it can be expanded (even a prescholer could write more than four words, come on guys) it should be deleted. However, it should be noted that instead of deleting small articles with hope of expansion, they should be expanded. Take note of this!Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 15:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  3. Is there any reason to keep it? Never eat soggy waffles? It is completely useless, no matter how large you make itScythe.png Atlandy 15:16, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  4. There is nothing there worth keeping. If I made a three-page article about the pillars that "hold up" the new interface, it would be deleted too. Skill 18:25, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
    1. I'd also like to point out that half the articles on the wiki are under 800 characters, so it may not be a good idea to make that a requirement. Skill 18:32, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  5. The compass is such a tiny aspect of the interface, it is unbelievable! Maybe it should have its own section under interface (since it is part of the interface), but definitely not its own article. What can be said about it? "N means north, everything else as per any other compass in the world". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Leevclarke (talk).

Other

  1. Merge if there's any info there that isn't already in mini-map. --Wowbagger421 05:56, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  2. Merge - Doesn't this come under the 'Stubs' rule in the Deletion Policy:Stubs, no matter how small, could one day become a very long article? Chaoticar 07:16, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  3. Merge - Per above arguments. Sysop crown.svgTes FanSysop crown.svg 15:34, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  4. Merge into Interface. Butterman62Ice Barrage icon.png 01:21, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
  5. merge this article should be merge to interface or minimap, its too important to be lost to deletion but too short to remain an article on its own. --Fatman4ever 14:40, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
  6. Merge Ice 14:21, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
  7. Merge Piety.png Sir Lenehan File:Smite old.png|30px19:51, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

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