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Server blackout

Or more specifically, its subpages.

The base page is mostly meh, but the lists of blackouts... They're really just beyond useless. I simply cannot understand what actual value there is in listing every "blackout" that occurs. The information is on a subject out of Jagex's control, it's only relevant for a couple minutes, and is often times actually on the user's end. With most of these unsourced, it's impossible to verify that these were actual blackouts, and not just someone with African Net editing the wiki. Oh, and if Jagex actually decides to acknowledge the problem (which they do when it's important enough to actually care about), We get an update post about it. And documenting those is certainly enough.

Delete - As nominator. MolMan 21:50, August 2, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - dumb --Iiii I I I 21:53, August 2, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - pls Star Talk ayy lmao ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 21:54, August 2, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - I have my reasons Korasi's sword.png Archmage Elune  TalkHS Void knight deflector.png fetus is my son and I love him. 21:59, August 2, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - because wikiapedia would say so Ozank Cx 22:59, August 2, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - If there's a blackout that was of historical significance, it's worth documenting the history. After reading the lists I think maybe only the Lizard Squad DDOS counts, but only because it was part of a larger incident. YMMV whether we should provide them any press, but I'm disinclined to do even that. Note that we should also delete [[Template:Blackouts]], since it's a nav among the sub-pages. More of a pain will be all the red-links WhatsLinksHere says there are going to be, but I guess a bot can handle them. --Saftzie (talk) 22:44, August 6, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - Honk honk beep. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 10:42, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - Burn it to the ground. --Deltaslug (talk) 14:57, August 12, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - I'll have you know this article has gotten over 5000 views in the [email protected]!#!...okay, no, these pages suck and are for the most part completely unverifiable and woefully incomplete. ʞooɔ 23:37, August 12, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - It's useless. Haven't we had another rfd for this page before though? sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 23:40, August 12, 2015 (UTC)

No MolMan 00:16, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

eteleD - Servers crashed today, my internet wasn't on, can I add to the page? — Jr Mime (talk) [VSTF] 00:08, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

Yes. Just please be very vague about it. MolMan 00:09, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

On August 12 2015, all servers crashed due to unknown Internet reasons. They have returned 12 hours later.

Jr Mime (talk) [VSTF] 00:11, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

Closed - Subpages will be deleted. --LiquidTalk 02:26, August 13, 2015 (UTC)


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Mithril dragon/Strategies

This page is really bad. It makes it sound like the worst kind of slayer task there is, and post EoC, isn't really much of a challenge. Also, somehow Money_making_guide/Killing_mithril_dragons is much better than that page. Come to think of it, it seems more useful to simply link Revolution/Bars and tell them to use anti fires.

Delete - As nominator. Jlun2 (talk) 18:12, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - horribly outdated and the basic suggestion is "mage" because they are weak to magic. --Deltaslug (talk) 19:32, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - Virtually every strategy page needs to be deleted. This is one of them. The ones to keep are the ones where the NPC itself changes attack styles or spawns helpers or something like that. "Stand next to the rock. Use earth spells" doesn't need a whole page. --Saftzie (talk) 03:16, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

Comment - I agree. The problem is that last year, there was a thread made for this, and it ended up having no consensus. I suspect maybe it's because no one bothered to check the monsters (example File:Taverley Dungeon hellhound safespot.png and mentions of defenders + safespots), and also because there wasn't more updates and/or pages that made combat even easier (example, Revolution/Bars), but I hope it can be looked at again. --Jlun2 (talk) 16:57, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

No - If it's outdated, update it (or find someone). In the mean time, it's the 17th most popular monster strategy guide on the wiki, gathering about 90,000 views in the last year and a half (with no signs of slowing down). It may not be very good, but clearly the readers desire a strategies page for this. Monsters aren't as homogeneous or easy as you guys would like to pretend -- deletion is not the right solution here. ʞooɔ 11:42, August 12, 2015 (UTC)

Commment - If you think they all very different and deserve a page, will you be the one updating it? Keeping it as it is won't exactly help the readers a lot. --Jlun2 (talk) 13:25, August 12, 2015 (UTC)
Deleting it won't help the readers a lot either. MolMan 00:31, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah...no - It IS pretty odd that the page has that many hits, but is it what is it. Maybe we can switch-info the sections and simply let the users decide what combat style they prefer to use. Put up a small description about recommended styles and monster weaknesses in the lead section. Alchez 12:46, August 12, 2015 (UTC)

Pardon my ramblings. I just realised that that is exactly what a ToC does. Alchez 14:35, August 12, 2015 (UTC)

No - if its popular like Cook said then it's probably best to keep it. Hopefully someone will get around to upkeeping it better. Ozank Cx 13:45, August 12, 2015 (UTC)

Keep - Mithril dragons aren't obvious or particularly easy for low- and medium-levelled players. Yes, I agree the article is a bit outdated and could probably be shortened by 1/2, but I believe it has a place on the wiki. 5-x Talk 13:49, August 12, 2015 (UTC)

Oppose - In spite of EoC's spongifying most monsters, mithril dragons are still tricky to kill. I say keep, but obviously improve where necessary. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 09:28, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

Keep - Per 5-x. Temujin 17:10, August 14, 2015 (UTC)

Closed - No consensus. --LiquidTalk 20:05, August 26, 2015 (UTC)


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Hellhound/Strategies

Alright, it's been 3 years since the last request, and right now, the article is in quite a bad shape. It doesn't mention anything about revolution, action bar setups, recommends defenders and safespotting, and zero mention of using adrenaline for healing. Unless someone goes out their way to update this, I'm recommending it to be deleted and simply say "Use Revolution/Bars and <gear>" as a subsection on the page. And if it really messes with search, make this a redirect to said subsection.

Delete - As nominator. --Jlun2 (talk) 17:12, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - They don't do anything special that needs a strategy, but don't even leave a redirect. Redirects mess with searches, too. --Saftzie (talk) 18:40, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - Looking at it, it doesn't seem that bad, and they can indeed be safespotted without that much effort, but EoC made combat pretty much pontless as everything's pathetically easy so there's little point in keeping this. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 19:38, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

Oppose - Following Cook's comment, this page has about 47,000 views over the same period, and also ranks in the top 30 strategy pages visited.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alchez (talk) on 11:50, August 12, 2015 (UTC).

Comment - Will you be improving it then? Also, why not simply make it a redirect to a subsection of the page? --Jlun2 (talk) 13:12, August 12, 2015 (UTC)
I actually don't mind working on it. Give me a few days. And if we can consolidate the data into something that won't actually bog down the parent page, I wouldn't mind a redirect, honestly. Alchez 14:37, August 12, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - They are weak to melee, you use melee. Put on whatever melee gear you can. There are comments already for things like "be careful if you kill Hellhounds in the Wildy" stuff in the main article. strategy pages are needed for Bosses and complex mobs. Hellhounds, Fire Giants, and Waterfiends are not hard to fight now. --Deltaslug (talk) 15:00, August 12, 2015 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Alchez. Temujin 17:12, August 12, 2015 (UTC)

UPDATED - I've reworked a good portion of the page. Alchez 11:26, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

Closed - All of this discussion has been for a previous version of this article that is quite different from the current version. Therefore, this discussion will be closed, and I will make a new one for the current version of the page. --LiquidTalk 20:12, August 26, 2015 (UTC)


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Skeleton (Ape Atoll)/Strategies

Basically untouched since pre-EoC, least viewed strategy page, no reason why it can't be a subsection.

Delete - As nominator. Temujin 10:42, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - Not to mention it isn't even viable for XP now; Abyssal creatures are far superior using similar strats. --Jlun2 (talk) 12:00, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - Not actually a strategy. "Skeletons melee, so melee or mage them. Wear a salve amulet for extra damage." Done. --Saftzie (talk) 02:27, August 22, 2015 (UTC)

Closed - Page will be deleted. --LiquidTalk 01:22, August 29, 2015 (UTC)


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Kurask/Strategies

After the Evolution of Combat, the best way to kill these is with the Slayer Dart. It is possible to kill them in 2 or 3 hits with this method.
Kurask#Strengths and weaknesses

Kurask simply don't need a strategy guide. They are incredibly straightforward to kill, and a paragraph or two on the page itself would suffice.

Delete - As nominator. Temujin 16:01, August 24, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - lol kurasks User talk:ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of User talk:ThePsionic ThePsionic Special:Contributions/ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of Special:Contributions/ThePsionic 16:03, August 24, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - alongside all the other obsolete strategy guides pls Star Talk ayy lmao ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 16:08, August 24, 2015 (UTC)

Comment - That was tried, and unfortunately it resulted in no consensus. Temujin 16:12, August 24, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah I know, they're still dumb though. 90% of the people on that thread supported >.> (and yeees I know, we're not a democracy...) Star Talk ayy lmao ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 16:19, August 24, 2015 (UTC)
C'est la guerre :/ Temujin 16:26, August 24, 2015 (UTC)
On se met en grève. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 08:40, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - Funnily the recommended equipment has a bunch of high tier gear suggestions making it sound far worse than it really is. I agree in this case a paragraph or two would be more neutral than say recommending skillcapes or better as gear. --Jlun2 (talk) 16:10, August 24, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - Slayer dart says it all. --Saftzie (talk) 22:43, August 24, 2015 (UTC)

Closed - Article will be deleted. --LiquidTalk 12:20, September 4, 2015 (UTC)


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Hellhound/Strategies

There has been a rewrite of the page since the last RfD. This discussion will be for the page in its current state. Refer to the last discussion for proposed reasons for deletion. --LiquidTalk 20:15, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - They still don't do anything special. Most of this article might as well be "how to PvM." If you want to keep the content about how to avoid PKers, make an article about that. --Saftzie (talk) 21:48, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

Keep - Looks good enough to me, plus enough unique information about hellhounds. ʞooɔ 22:52, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

Keep - The article has been noticeably improved by Alchez and others. Temujin 07:06, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

Keep - Per Temu. 5-x Talk 09:32, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - Per Saftzie. It's a good article, yes, but considering they only have 3.3k lp's, I'd much rather a generic combat guide (as suggested by Gaz in this thread). Star Talk ayy lmao ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 22:32, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

Redirect/Generalise - As much as I like how the page has turned out, there are some fair arguments against it. However, I would still say that this page should not be deleted, simply based on the fact that it gets almost 50 unique visits every day, since before the page was even nominated.

I do like Gaz' idea though, but I'm not aware about the best builds, actionbar setups and the sort, so someone else might be able to do this better. Alchez 09:59, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

Closed - Article will be kept for now, but users are free to be bold and generalize the page if they wish. --LiquidTalk 12:25, September 4, 2015 (UTC)


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Rune running

I don't think that this activity is popular enough to warrant having a specific guide for it any more - a small section on Runecrafting explaining what it involves would be sufficient. There are also rune running guides for specific types of rune, e.g. air rune running that should be deleted if this request is sucessful.

Delete - As nominator. Magic logs detail.pngIsobelJTalk page 11:09, September 28, 2015 (UTC)

Delete. I think we should delete the guides, yeah. Rune running isn't done anymore on RS3; most people would rather solo or do Runespan because of the horrid "XP Waste" mentality (but I digress). But don't delete a section on how it's done and some of its past, that's a slice of RS's history! I used to partake in law running myself, so I can vouch that it would be a more integral part of the game in the past. 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 11:34, September 28, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - A small section in the main article would do. User talk:ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of User talk:ThePsionic ThePsionic Special:Contributions/ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of Special:Contributions/ThePsionic 20:20, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - Keep a mention of this in the Runecrafting article. 5-x Talk 21:28, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

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Ourania Runecrafting Altar/Strategies

This isn't a common activity for players to be doing these days and this page does not contain a lot of useful information. I think we could reduce the amount of strategy information that we give and include it in a section main page instead.

Delete - As nominator. Magic logs detail.pngIsobelJTalk page 10:19, September 28, 2015 (UTC)

Delete-ish - It still has relevance to ironman accounts, but there's not really so much info on the page that it can't be combined with the main article. In fact, what's on the "strategy" page is kind of lame, so maybe it's a good opportunity to rewrite and summarize how Ourania rune running should be done. --Saftzie (talk) 00:40, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - A small section in the main article would do. User talk:ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of User talk:ThePsionic ThePsionic Special:Contributions/ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of Special:Contributions/ThePsionic 20:20, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

Keep - It's a useful article that is still valid today, although I can see it's in need of a small revamp so that it includes a few more modern gameplay elements. Not a reason to delete it. 5-x Talk 21:24, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - Per Stat. Temujin 01:04, September 30, 2015 (UTC)

Closed - Article will be deleted. --LiquidTalk 05:02, October 13, 2015 (UTC)


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Iron running

This isn't something players would be doing these days, so I don't think we need a guide on it any more. I'm not sure that historically this has been a common enough activity for us to have information on it elsewhere, but if it has been we could include some mention of iron running on Mining or something instead of having a "guide" on it. Magic logs detail.pngIsobelJTalk page 11:42, November 5, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - As nominator. Magic logs detail.pngIsobelJTalk page 11:42, November 5, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - Per Isobel. Temujin 11:49, November 5, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - Per Temujin. User talk:ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of User talk:ThePsionic ThePsionic Special:Contributions/ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of Special:Contributions/ThePsionic 12:02, November 5, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - per nominator --Deltaslug (talk) 13:37, November 5, 2015 (UTC)

Delete Star Talk ayy lmao ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 13:47, November 5, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - Mining iron was good xp, but no one ever organized giving away the ore. Giving away ore isn't "running," anyway. It's not worth retaining any mention of something that only existed in the original author's mind. --Saftzie (talk) 17:03, November 6, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - What. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 20:16, November 6, 2015 (UTC)

Comment - I tried doing this. People kept telling me to "Fuck off". MolMan 02:34, November 9, 2015 (UTC)

Closed - Article will be deleted. --LiquidTalk 06:30, November 12, 2015 (UTC)


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Beginner's guide

The page is a collection of other content that is duplicated other pages on the wiki (e.g. information on skills is already on each skill's page, combat information is on combat). The information on the page is not relevant to all new players, as we cannot anticipate what every new player is going to need information on, so it may be preferable to not have this guide and let people search for the content that is most relevant for them elsewhere on the wiki.

Delete - As nominator. Magic logs detail.pngIsobelJTalk page 13:23, November 5, 2015 (UTC)

Neutral - No beginner is going to read that wall of text that doesn't even answer any questions a beginner would have. It's written from a point of view that assumes the "beginner" is already familiar with the history of the game. Nevertheless, a beginner's guide would be a good article to have, but this one isn't it. TNT the text and start over. --Saftzie (talk) 17:17, November 6, 2015 (UTC)

Split & restart - It shouldn't even be one article. Should be several articles each focusing on a different subject, and this main article should be an index. There's too much shit to discuss for it all to go on one page.

Of course this is assuming anyone is actually going to care. Which I doubt anyone will. MolMan 02:36, November 9, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - Ordinarily, I would support a rewrite. But the game does have tutorials, combat academy, and the paths system. usually noobs are going to ask for help from nearby players anyways. by the time they realize rs has a wikia, they are probably past the point of needing a beginners guide. --Deltaslug (talk) 02:46, November 9, 2015 (UTC)

Closed - There is consensus that the article as it currently stands should be deleted. The article may be rewritten, though, if desired. The source code for the article is here. --LiquidTalk 06:25, November 12, 2015 (UTC)


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Tormented wraith/Strategies

Tormented wraiths don't require a strategy page. Players should simply wear full elite black armour, an enchanted salve amulet, a black off-hand melee weapon and their most powerful main-hand melee weapon.

Delete - As nominator. Temujin 04:44, December 21, 2015 (UTC)

Support - Come to think of it, does anyone actually kill this anymore? lol --Jlun2 (talk) 04:48, December 21, 2015 (UTC)

Support - I learned all I needed to know on how to kill these from this RfD. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 04:48, December 21, 2015 (UTC)

Merge - Put the info on the main page. --Saftzie (talk) 21:35, December 21, 2015 (UTC)

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Crop running

A page listing all these different farm runs is not necessary. Those that are good for experience are mentioned on Farming training and those that are good for money are mentioned as money making guides. If any of the other farm runs (hop runs, willow branch runs, bush runs and supercompost runs) are still considered to be relevant (bearing in mind that we have pages on seeds and Farming/Patch locations that cover a lot of the information for these) I think it could be better presented by combining it with other existing pages e.g. willow branch or supercompost. Magic logs detail.pngIsobelJTalk page 22:13, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - As nominator. Magic logs detail.pngIsobelJTalk page 22:13, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Ban - User talk:ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of User talk:ThePsionic ThePsionic Special:Contributions/ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of Special:Contributions/ThePsionic 22:19, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - Just make sure you get relevant stuff to the right pages. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 00:30, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Delete - add it to the compost heap. --Deltaslug (talk) 03:18, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Comment - Is any of the information on hop runs, willow branch runs, bush runs or supercompost needed? Do people still do these things? A lot of my reason for nominating the page for deletion was to find this out. Magic logs detail.pngIsobelJTalk page 08:38, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Once upon a time I did runs exclusively for oak roots. Even if I was doing it now, I wouldn't rely on a route posted on the wiki. --Saftzie (talk) 00:24, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Closed - Page will be deleted. --LiquidTalk 06:23, January 5, 2016 (UTC)


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Template:Succession

Not really 100% on this honestly. But the template has 2 uses:

  • Leadership, etc. (e.g. King Roald), which may be reason enough
  • Superlatives (e.g. strongest weapon [which is usually an arbitrary category], strongest monster)

But the template is kinda ugly. For the former point, we may consider adopting a different method of including this information. For the latter point it's sparsely used.

No strong feelings one way or the other, but it's kinda bugging me, so I wanted to open it as a discussion.

Neutral - tbh idk; I think we should at least get rid of superlatives, they're better off as simple trivia points if we care at all. MolMan 15:53, January 18, 2016 (UTC)

Oppose - Instating a guideline not to use it for superlatives would be agreeable I reckon, but it works well for matters of position/status. Also it looks official and we're Wikipedia. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 12:25, January 20, 2016 (UTC)

Delete - We can move succession to the infobox (like Wikipedia, since Fswe brought it up) --Iiii I I I 20:03, January 21, 2016 (UTC)

Closed - No consensus has been reached. --LiquidTalk 02:36, January 30, 2016 (UTC)


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Template:Floor

Pretty absurd that we feel the need to remind readers at the top of every page what is a universal style guideline. From what I've seen, it doesn't even stop people from changing floor numbers to American style.

All in all, I think this template is pretty useless. Instead, I'd rather we make full use of {{FloorNumber}}, which does the job much better. The best part of FloorNumber is, if we decide to, we can probably make a JavaScript gadget that allows players to switch between flooring conventions.

Delete - No point in a silly hatnote when we have a better inline template. MolMan 22:38, January 20, 2016 (UTC)

Delete --Iiii I I I 23:24, January 20, 2016 (UTC)

Neutral - Yeah, people ignore it, but people probably avoid the style guide more. Meanwhile, I find it bizarre that {{FloorNumber}} takes a parameter in the American floor convention to express an international floor number. --Saftzie (talk) 04:30, January 21, 2016 (UTC)

Delete - better to have just the one universally ignored template than two. Small recharge gem.png AnselaJonla Slayer-icon.png 07:08, January 21, 2016 (UTC)

I suspect that when people delete the template and deliberately replace it with normal text, they probably think the template is broken. After all, there's a "2" in the wiki markup, but the page renders it as "1", so it's broken, right? --Saftzie (talk) 18:49, January 21, 2016 (UTC)
To be fair, that does need to be more consistent. Parameter n should be floor n and Murican floor n+1. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 09:31, January 22, 2016 (UTC)

Delete jayden

Delete User talk:ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of User talk:ThePsionic ThePsionic Special:Contributions/ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of Special:Contributions/ThePsionic 09:34, January 22, 2016 (UTC)

Neutral I feel that it's better to point it out, than leave it for newer users/IPs to find out in the MOS, per Saftzie. This also saves typing out full summaries on every revert and it also means careful editors (how many of those do we have, again?) won't make the mistake. I also believe we should fix the {{FloorNumber}} template and make it waterproof first. To explain the output, rename it to {{ukfloor}}; to explain the input, fix the parameters (eg us=number); and finally make it easy to code in case we need to fix it again later. Phew, I managed to cut this comment down... Techhead7890 Talk Contribs 07:37, January 24, 2016 (UTC)

I think the main problem is that users who make these incorrect changes aren't even reading this hatnote, much less the style guide. As for cleaning up the inline template, I agree; however, I don't think its status should affect the hatnote template. The way it works is extremely simple such that a bot could fix all its current usages in a matter of minutes. MolMan 14:33, January 24, 2016 (UTC)
In fairness that's why I put my vote as neutral – there's no data on effective the hatnote is at prevention. Regardless it's clear we have to improve the preventative methods. I like the idea about renaming with bots: how can you arrange for that with a template move? Techhead7890 Talk Contribs 06:07, January 25, 2016 (UTC)

Closed - The Floor header template will be deleted. --LiquidTalk 02:41, January 30, 2016 (UTC)


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Forum:Yew Grove/Previously rejected proposals

This page is a relic of the past and until recently hadn't seen any real use for 5 years. I think the purpose it was created for has long since passed and no longer has any real bearing on modern discussions. It's time to get rid of it and carry on forgetting it exists like we have done for years already.

Delete - As nominator. cqm 23:16, 18 Jan 2016 (UTC) (UTC) 23:16, January 18, 2016 (UTC)

Neutral - It has a purpose, maybe we oughta use it more. Or maybe we just don't have that many things that need to be forbidden. MolMan 23:17, January 18, 2016 (UTC)

Keep - If we delete it, people will forget it, so it's worth keeping around. I have a non-specific feeling that there are probably more things that should be on the list. I think it should probably be in the Project: space rather than Forum: space, though. --Saftzie (talk) 04:19, January 21, 2016 (UTC)

There's a standard practice of listing relevant forums in most proposals these days already, which makes the list a bit pointless for anyone used to making forums. For those not used to it, the chances of them reading the rejected proposals (which are linked below the create box) before making the forum are going to be small. We already have policies like RS:SNOW to handle things like this and to be completely honest I have no recollection of the rejected proposals ever having been used as a reason for closure in a forum. Perhaps there's some in 2010/11 where I'm not so familiar, but I can't imagine there's more than one or two. cqm 19:56, 21 Jan 2016 (UTC) (UTC)
The reason for the list of multiply-rejected proposals is (1) so people are aware that, if it failed before, it may be pointless to try again and (2) so everyone knows that proposing the same thing again is really only worthwhile if something about the proposal is truly different this time. The proposer may not have read the list, but the reviewers should know about it. In which case, the reviewers can use the previously rejected proposals as a basis to oppose the new one. It's not so much about SNOW (e.g., "let's give everyone the ability to block and ban" or something like it), as it is that, with nothing new this time, the debate has already been had. --Saftzie (talk) 23:55, January 21, 2016 (UTC)

Closed - There is no consensus to delete. --LiquidTalk 02:44, January 30, 2016 (UTC)


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[[:Template:Gauntlets]]

This is a template for all quest gauntlets, which includes only Family Crest gauntlets and Klank's gauntlets. These two have nothing to do with each other; Family Crest gauntlets have a template within their quest tab, and adding a separate template to group it with Klank's is just senseless clutter.

Delete - As nominator. Aescopalus (talk) 03:35, April 14, 2016 (UTC)

Delete - per nom MolMan 19:36, April 14, 2016 (UTC)


Delete - could've been speedy d tbh --Iiii I I I 19:40, April 14, 2016 (UTC)

Glad to see you're sticking it to the man! MolMan 19:44, April 14, 2016 (UTC)

Closed - Gonna be bold and just delete this template. -- Recent uploads SpineTalkGuest book 20:49, April 14, 2016 (UTC)


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RuneScape Netherlands

The "hints" used to suggest that RuneScape Netherlands was ever considered are very speculative and unconvincing: arguably the page should never have been created per RS:FUTURE.

Delete - As nominator. Magic logs detail.pngIsobelJTalk page 19:52, April 27, 2016 (UTC)

Delete - --Iiii I I I 20:04, April 27, 2016 (UTC)

Delete - I'm not convinced the other language versions that exist need a page, because they're the same game. A version that doesn't exist surely doesn't warrant a page. --Saftzie (talk) 07:35, April 28, 2016 (UTC)

Verwijderen - Alsof RSNL er ooit gaat komen. 't Is sowieso niet een bijster goed geschreven artikel en puur speculatief, weg ermee dan maar. Misschien kan de informatie ergens in trivia worden samengevat. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 19:21, April 29, 2016 (UTC)

Translation:
Oppose - I use RSNL every day. The article is also well written and cites many reliable sources. The only problem is this article needs an exhaustive trivia section.
My Dutch might be a little rusty though. MolMan 19:24, April 29, 2016 (UTC)
Curses, I have been compromised. *absconds in shadow* User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 07:31, April 30, 2016 (UTC)
As a native Dutch person I can say Fussy's Mol's translation is waaaay off :P Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 09:56, April 30, 2016 (UTC)
As a native vampyre I can say that was Mol's post. :P User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 10:34, April 30, 2016 (UTC)
Oh... awkward... :P Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 10:46, April 30, 2016 (UTC)

Delete - It's probably better to stuff it in RuneScape as a trivia or as part of the other languages section (if that exists). Since it's probably never going to happen as we Dutch can understand English just fine :P. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 09:56, April 30, 2016 (UTC)

Closed - Page will be deleted. --LiquidTalk 21:24, May 4, 2016 (UTC)


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Fourth wall

Performance technique/device that isn't exclusive to RuneScape. Everything listed would be better suited in the trivia section of the respective article.

Delete MolMan 17:51, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Delete some of tha stuff is in trivia anyways --Deltaslug (talk) 17:53, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Delete - So what? --Saftzie (talk) 07:07, April 28, 2016 (UTC)

Closed - Article will be deleted. --LiquidTalk 22:04, May 4, 2016 (UTC)


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Template:Relative location

I hate this template. I can't think of a single place where it's actually helpful. I'd much prefer an objective standard for location, such as, I don't know, a map?

Delete - MolMan 11:41, May 14, 2016 (UTC)

Delete - god I hate this template it messes up so much formatting --Iiii I I I 11:42, May 14, 2016 (UTC)

Rude -this template 12:20, May 14, 2016 (UTC)

Delete - ew User talk:ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of User talk:ThePsionic ThePsionic Special:Contributions/ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of Special:Contributions/ThePsionic 13:40, May 14, 2016 (UTC)

Delete - I've never liked it. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 15:55, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

Closed - Template will be deleted. --LiquidTalk 16:59, May 22, 2016 (UTC)


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Gaalsien

What is this?

Delete - As nominator. Iiii I I I 03:31, June 7, 2016 (UTC)

fetus does not even Korasi's sword.png Archmage Elune  TalkHS Void knight deflector.png fetus is my son and I love him. 03:33, June 7, 2016 (UTC)

Keep! - He's an unseen character. There are lots of unseen characters that are still mentioned in one place or another. Besides, it's a nice piece of writing that we'd be destroying. Forever. NeutralinoTalk?This is a pale wisp. 05:56, June 7, 2016 (UTC)

Keep - Per RS:G; the article even has a reference to the source, I see no problem with the existence of this article. I mean, Chad exists too. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 06:29, June 7, 2016 (UTC)

 
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>>17064722 (fswe)
Fuck Chad.
Fuck normies.
Normies and Chad get out.
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Oppose - Do you have an actual reason? ʞooɔ 21:56, June 8, 2016 (UTC)

Keep - What do you have against him also fetus ur bad User talk:ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of User talk:ThePsionic ThePsionic Special:Contributions/ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of Special:Contributions/ThePsionic 21:57, June 8, 2016 (UTC)

Keep - sorry fetus. Korasi's sword.png Archmage Elune  TalkHS Void knight deflector.png fetus is my son and I love him. 22:09, June 8, 2016 (UTC)

Delete - Just to show some solidarity for the principle. Smile Also, cause everyone else is against fetus, I feel bad for him. --LiquidTalk 22:31, June 9, 2016 (UTC)


Delete - After reading the discussion linked by Liquid, anagrams appear to be valid grounds for opposition. As "Gaalsien" is an anagram of "Saaeling", it's fairly clear this suicidal character was a joke on the "Sailing" skill. MolMan 13:42, June 11, 2016 (UTC)

We should delete Wahisietel since he's an anagram of Ali the Wise, and thus likely a joke on the NPC involved in Tale of the Muspah. Adventurer's log Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon.png 15:52, June 11, 2016 (UTC)
Finally, I've been wanting to delete that page for a while :^) --dDbvitC.pngScuzzy Betahib8CAd.png 16:16, June 11, 2016 (UTC)

Keep - Gaalsien is one of the most obscure characters in RuneScape's lore, mentioned in a Wiki article that has since been edited to no longer include his story. As the biggest, most cohesive source of information about RuneScape, we should preserve all knowledge available from the game and its lore, and Gaalsien is a good example. The "article argument" does not really hold its water either, given that you're replacing "I" from Sailing with "Ae", which is often a sigh that the anagram is nothing but a coincidence, and that Gaalsien's story has nothing to do with Sailing; not to mention that there are plenty of in-game characters whose names are a reference or an anagram with no intention for joke, so Gaalsien is no different from them.

Fair point. But also consider that his name is also an anagram of "Asian Leg". MolMan 17:07, June 11, 2016 (UTC)

Keep - Jagex wouldn't have been making Sailing jokes at the time the article was written anyway, so that line of reasoning is dumb. We should have articles on every character mentioned in and outside of the the game, even ones as obscure as Gaalsien. Adventurer's log Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon.png 15:52, June 11, 2016 (UTC)

Keep - It's a character, whether you like it or not. --dDbvitC.pngScuzzy Betahib8CAd.png 16:16, June 11, 2016 (UTC)

Closed - Article will not be deleted. Sorry fetus, I tried. --LiquidTalk 15:03, June 16, 2016 (UTC)


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Template:Signatures/Drirton

Your reason(s).

Delete - As nominator and creator. Drirton (talk) 03:43, December 20, 2016 (UTC)

Closed - This qualifies for Speedy deletion. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 03:45, December 20, 2016 (UTC)


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Template:Titles

The point of this template eludes me. According to the message on the page, it is supposed to list only sources of multiple titles. SGS is there, and so are the first two world events, but not the third. Demon flash mob scrolls are there collectively, but also individually, and the individual scrolls only give one title. Not only is the template incomplete, it's also self-inconsistent. Frankly, I see no point; either list ONLY the sources that give out multiple titles (threshold??) and thus make the navbox incomplete and hardly very useful, or list all titles, and make it too large to be useful. I say we just get rid of it.

Delete - As nominator. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 11:35, December 30, 2016 (UTC)

Delete - I don't mind it being removed Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 12:19, December 30, 2016 (UTC)

Delete - Not a very useful template. The contents are only very loosely related, apart from the group of demon title scrolls which are already grouped more appropriately in Template:Demon Flash Mobs. Magic logs detail.pngIsobelJTalk page 20:38, January 3, 2017 (UTC)

Closed - Template will be removed from the articles it's mentioned on and then deleted Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 21:07, January 3, 2017 (UTC)


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Vexillology

I believe that having a page dedicated to analysing the flags of RuneScape is unnecessary. The study of flags isn’t a concept that is included in-game at all. Flags themselves are a fairly obscure piece of scenery: we don’t have any pages for them at the moment, rather we have images which are included in the Category:Standard banners and linked on relevant pages. There doesn’t seem to be a whole lot to say about flags as there is little information about them in-game. With no pages about the individual flags to link to the Vexillology page isn’t particularly useful as a list of flags.

The page as it stands now is mostly dedicated to describing what different flags look like, which seems redundant given we have pictures. With little being known about each flag there isn’t a great quantity of information to be included in this article; there isn’t much scope for expanding the content of the page; and there’s not much basis for comparing the flags to each other. There are some interesting facts here: about where flags are found in-game, how they’ve been affected by graphical updates, and explanations of the symbols used in them (though I feel some of these are pretty speculative and probably not suitable for a mainspace article. I think that this information could easily be mentioned in other articles, e.g. the pages about the in-game areas which have flags - I suggest that we do this and delete the Vexillology page. Magic logs detail.pngIsobelJTalk page 12:08, January 7, 2017 (UTC)

Delete - As nominator. Magic logs detail.pngIsobelJTalk page 12:08, January 7, 2017 (UTC)

Keep - Per what I have said on Isobel's talk. Note that I wrote this so I'm obviously biased and this "vote" doesn't count for much, but I guess the arguments on aforementioned talk page carry some weight. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 12:38, January 7, 2017 (UTC)

Delete - The page just looks like a list of RuneScape flag trivia. Move the useful information to the region/town/group/whatever's page. I wouldn't have read through the article if it hadn't been for this rfd. Law rune.png Samberen Nature rune.png 15:49, January 7, 2017 (UTC)

Keep but rewrite - It is interesting information but only keep the important stuff (not descriptions of images) Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 00:57, January 8, 2017 (UTC)

Delete - I have to agree with Samba37. The page seems like a collection of trivia. Is there really any reason a player would need to use the page to play the game? Does it document some essential piece of lore? Is it really anything other than a "graphical updates for flags" page (which I also don't think we need)? --Saftzie (talk) 19:18, January 14, 2017 (UTC)

I thought this was an encyclopedia? Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 13:13, January 20, 2017 (UTC)
Useless trivia is still useless. --Saftzie (talk) 16:34, January 20, 2017 (UTC)

Delete - "Oh boy, let me read this essay about every flag and symbol in RuneScape" - no one ever User talk:ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of User talk:ThePsionic ThePsionic Special:Contributions/ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of Special:Contributions/ThePsionic 13:16, January 20, 2017 (UTC)

As I said, at least a handful of people found it an interesting read. Presumably they aren't alone. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 18:11, January 20, 2017 (UTC)

Keep --dDbvitC.pngScuzzy Betahib8CAd.png 17:39, January 26, 2017 (UTC)

Delete - No point, especially when the heraldry is already on the relevant pages. --Deltaslug (talk) 02:51, January 27, 2017 (UTC)

Delete - --Iiii I I I 03:06, January 27, 2017 (UTC)

Closed - Page will be deleted. cqm 10:29, 29 Jan 2017 (UTC) (UTC)


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