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File:RuneScimmyUpdate.gif

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This image doesn't really show anything useful. Its just someone attacking with a Rune Scimitar, and that action itself is not enough to warrant an animation. Furthermore the image is quite low-quality containing excessive GIF dither, and its rather jumpy. All in all its just not a good image to have on the wiki. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 16:39, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
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Delete - As om-nom-nominator. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 16:39, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Delete - The quality is poor. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 21:49, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Due to little use that the image can provide Zig 22:02, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Per Tollerach. Poor quality. Santa hat.png Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 05:10, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Per Zig Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 11:00, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Discuss

Delete - This category is quite stale, I propose that we use Template:Rfc instead. A template will be easier to see on a long talk page and will better allow for removal once the discussion/comment has come to a natural conclusion. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 05:06, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Almost all serious discussion happens in the Yew grove anyways kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 14:41, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


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Template:Bitmap

Support - You can't even upload .BMP files on the Special:Upload page. This template isn't needed anymore. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 23:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Delete - If its obsolete its probably a candidate for speedy deletion (same goes for the below om-nom-nomination) kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 00:35, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Bitmap images

Support - You can't even upload .BMP files on the Special:Upload page. This template isn't needed anymore. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 23:15, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


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List of recent NPCs

Support - This page hasn't been properly updated since about 2007. I personally don't see much of a use for the page, and I think it would constantly be out of date unless a least a few editors were regular contributors. I don't see that happening. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 08:15, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Support How recent? like from the rest update and its only one of them Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 08:17, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Support - It is rarely updated, and I don't really see what the point of it is, anyway. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 08:30, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Support - The creator put a lot of work into that page, but ever since he left, it's become useless. It's never updated, and no one uses it anyway. --
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Palace of Snow

This article has virtually no information, literally three sentences. I don't think it needs to be an article. ShinyUnown T | C | E 22:17, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Merge - The land of snow article can easily have this added in as a merge. Possibly a few lines about the palace is all that is needed. The actual article for the palace is totally pointless. RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 23:10, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Merge - Per Gradiushero. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 23:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Merge - Per Psycho my common sense which says we don't need the article kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 00:09, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Merge - Per Psycho, you could improve it. Runecrafting.gif Mo 55 55 Talk|Sign 10:26, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Merge and delete - per all Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 21:49, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Merge - Yay democracy. Zig 22:19, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Merge - Per Gradius. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 08:32, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Merge - Two lines... no point Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 08:42, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


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Merchanting clan

There is no reason to have an article for every type of clan. The best thing that should happen is a redirect to Clan and maybe the articles content could be added somehow to that article. Andrew talk 02:07, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Delete and redirect to Clan - as nominator. Andrew talk 02:07, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

ok all get started on that Bestfight98 (talkcontribs) forgot to sign this comment on 22:11, July 5, 2009 EDT.

Keep - I just massively cleaned it up, and I think it meets standards now. Butterman62 (talk) 02:24, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Merge - The article is stub class and really won't be progressing much further, create a section for it in the Clan like the other clan types.-- 02:55, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Merge - Per Azaz. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 08:21, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Keep - I think it is important enough to have it's own article. Even Mod Jon H posted about them on the forums (74-75-817-59124146) Morgoth Bauglir 20:37, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Merge - The article i not big enough to keep it's own page on the RS wiki, however, I do believe that the article could be merged into an economy or merchanting based article. RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 23:08, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Merge - I agree with what everyone say, and like Azaz say, we don't need a page for every type of clan. It takes up space and may lead to lagging. --Wizard hat (blue).pngVornazar NuiRune scimitar detail.png

Merge with Clan - I don't think we need an article for each type of clan, and all the information in this article can easily be incorporated in the Clan article. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 20:07, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Merge with Clan - Per Tollerach. Runecrafting.gif Mo 55 55 Talk|Sign 10:23, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Merge - By farseer08 - I agree that merchanting clans should merge with the clan article, as long as a redirect is created to redirect searches of "merchanting clan" to the clan article

Merge with Clan - By robertrowe - Merge with clan but provide a redirect. I found the page specifically because I was interested in Merchanting Clans. If that search had failed I would have read the Clan page but a redirect would be nice. --[email protected] 05:04, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Merge with Clan Way to small and not needed Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 22:17, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Merge with Clan. --Muhahaa 09:53, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


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Ardal

Ardal is not an NPC, it is non-interactive scenery, for the following reasons:

  • The only thing players can do with it is to examine it
  • It does not appear on the minimap at all (NPCs appear as a yellow blip)
  • Its name appears in pale blue text at the top-left corner of the screen when you point to it

All of these properties make it a non-interactive scenery item. The only thing that implies it might be considered an NPC is the fact that it is human-shaped - but this is not enough in my opinion. The only notable thing to say about it is that its name is a reference to Father Ted (along with the other two, Frank and Dermot), which is easily covered in The Poison Arrow article. As per RuneScape:Granularity (which says "the only two major exceptions are player articles and non-interactive scenery"), I say none of these three needs its own article. Leevclarke talk Max_logo_mini.png bulldog_puppy.png 17:34, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Keep - The fact that he is technically non-interactive scenery is irrelevant, because Martina Scorsby is exactly the same in every way to Ardal, but is a yellow dot on the minimap and has a yellow name. If anything, this is proof that the granularity policy need to be updated to allow non-interactive scenery if it is a living thing. This is because it is a recent trend for Jagex to make NPCs that don't say or do anything interesting into non-interactive scenery, such as the Music appreciators, which are themselves non-interactive scenery, but have a tiny "dummy" NPC called "Invisible" inside their heads that makes them show up as a yellow dot on the minimap. Ordinarily I'd be fine with merging an NPC like Ardal into an article on the lack of notability, but this vote is about whether or not to merge it simply because its name is blue, and since that's the case, I vote keep. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 19:07, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Keep - Ardal is, in some ways, programmed similarly to scenery. But I don't think how something is coded should be the primary point of decision in labeling it, because although he posesses some traits of scenery, the important thing about him is that he is a character and is presented to the player as such. Players don't look at a person in the same way as a chair or rock, and Jagex didn't put him in to be seen as scenery but as an NPC. This has been brought up many times before, and, as Psycho said, the granularity policy needs to be changed to reflect this. Quest.png Morian Smith Saradomin crozier.png 23:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Keep - As above. RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 15:52, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Keep - It's a NPC, even if its very little shown, it still deserves a article and per above. Runecrafting.gif Mo 55 55 Talk|Sign 10:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Keep - I think even though he may be coded like scenery, he seems more like an NPC to me. I say we keep him. Remember we also allow articles for characters that don't even appear in the game. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 21:39, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Keep - It is still sort of an NPC. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 21:09, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


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Cheery old chicken

Yes, I know about granularity, but this article is ridiculously tiny, even when you take into consideration the fact it's only been mentioned ONCE in one Postbag... WWTDD? 15:57, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Delete - I agree. I know we should have granularity,but this is ridiculous. It doesn't appear in-game,not even mentioned in-game,and is found on some postbag I don't even know...and as the authors brother,I can assure you,Youdead00 never read the postbag,he just heard of it on another article. So,yes Delete --
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Baleet - Granularity is overshadowed in this instance by Ignore All Rules. Granularity is the worst policy ever and all it leads to is a billion things never even seen in the game, like Lucien's daughter, Underwater city, and Calsidiu. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 00:15, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Delete - It's only been mentioned once, in a postbag, in a letter that I don't think was entirely serious. --Armadyl symbol.png Nightgunner Talk Illuminated Book of Law.png 03:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Merge - With Evil Chicken, ScapeRune, or Postbag. And I think granularity is the best policy ever because it leads to things that one may not notice in the game like Lucien's daughter, Underwater city, and Calsidiu.

Delete - This minimal information can be covered in the Evil Chicken article. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 21:45, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Merge - I made that article, and it IS tiny. I think it should be merged. Youdead00 01:17, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Request for closure - I'm an admin, but I really don't know how to close this sorta thing. WWTDD? 16:30, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


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File:S5.jpg

File:S5.jpg

I think this image should be deleted because it is low quality, does not show anything interesting, in SD, and is only used in one page, where it doesn't even fit in that well.

Delete as om-nom-nominator. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 19:08, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


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Avarrocka quest series

It's not a quest series. There is no main storyline. Each quest is independent, and being based in the Varrock area does not make it a quest series. --Armadyl symbol.png Nightgunner Talk Illuminated Book of Law.png 21:29, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Pending - Well, to me it really seems like Defender of Varrock and Curse of Arrav are paired together. The others seem just like requirements, or roughly connected like Roving Elves and Catapult Construction are connected to the Plague City storyline. 20px‎ Kudos 2 U Talk! Edit count! Contribs! 21:54, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Delete - There is no real storyline involved, except for the storyline connecting Defender of Varrock and Curse of Arrav, but that's not enough to justify the article. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 02:52, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Keep and Rewrite - The article is written horribly wrong,but it is a quest series. Shield of Arrav,Defender of Varrock,and Curse of Arrav are,I think,a quest series. The thing is,All Fired Up and Demon Slayer aren't just part of it becase they're in (A)Varrock(a).I think yes,we should keep it,but it needs to be drastically rewritten. --
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Rewrite - Per Sir Scizor1. Runecrafting.gif Mo 55 55 Talk|Sign 10:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Keep and rewrite - There is a storyline based on Arrav and Varrock per Sir Scizor. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 21:41, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Rewrite - The quests are independent of each other. Shield of Arrav, Defender of Varrock and Curse of Arrav are parts of the Arrav series, but Demon Slayer and All Fired Up are mostly unrelated. --Muhahaa 09:52, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Rewrite - Maybe just call it the 'Arrav storyline'? Makes more sense to me. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 21:11, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


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Mahjarrat Quest Series

There is no single "Mahjarrat quest series". Multiple separate Mahjarrat series and quests exist, such as Lucien series , Zemouregal series (aka Arrav series), Desert Treasure (Azzanadra) and Mysteries of Mahjarrat series. --Muhahaa 10:09, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Delete - per Nominator.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nightgunner1 (talk).

Delete - Most of them are either independent or part of a different quest series kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 16:09, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Per Psycho. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 21:17, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Keep - Actually, there is a Mahjarrat quest series. It's mentioned by Jagex numerous times, and it's also known as "Mysteries of the Mahjarrat". Truthfully,that article needs to be re-written, but it still, I think it validates an article. --
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There is already a Mysteries of the Mahjarrat quest series article. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 00:03, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Redirect to Mysteries of the Mahjarrat quest series - Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 20:19, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Redirect - Per Stelercus kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 03:26, September 3, 2009 (UTC)


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Template:Dper

Does this really need it's own template? It's just Template:D, but for personal images.

Delete as Nominator --Armadyl symbol.png Nightgunner Talk Illuminated Book of Law.png 00:50, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Delete Not necessary, same function as the more popular {{d|personal use}} kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 01:09, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Per Psycho. --Nup(T) 04:18, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Per Nuparu. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 17:35, September 4, 2009 (UTC)


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File:DragonChainSet.gif

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I think this image should be deleted because, first of all, its almost a duplicate of [[:File:Dragon Chainbody.gif]]. Some argue that its a matter of showing the different genders, but really the only difference is the length of the chain (its inexplicably shorter on females). Secondly, its out of date. The whip is the old model, not the current. Also its in standard detail. Finally, to top it off, its one of those useless equip screen animations and there's an amulet covering up the dragon insignia. Therefore, I say baleet.

Delete per Psycho kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 04:03, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Why not just put a speedy deletion tag on it? --Nup(T) 04:10, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I tried that but Calebchiam felt it didn't qualify for speedy delete. I can see why it wouldn't in some ways, it's not a true duplicate. I guess I could clarify that in the original reason. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 04:12, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

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Marlin

I feel this article should be deleted as it is speculation based on non-interactive scenery. I have added the Marlin's existence to the trivia section of Witchaven article, and I feel that's enough for a pretty minor part of RS.

Delete - As nominator. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 03:23, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Delete- Per nom. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 17:34, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - It is less significant then non-interactive scenery. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 01:15, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Ouch Lol kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 01:32, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

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Golden Boots of Arkanesses

Per RS:G. The boots don't appear in-game, have no value whatsoever and are only mentioned once. I do not think that this is important enough to have its own article. They have no significance. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 20:35, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - As nominator. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 20:35, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - I agree with the reasoning. If it would even have just an "examine" I would support keeping this item, but it really doesn't exist in-game. If there is even a hint or RSOF discussion thread about this (please don't just go make one up) in a future update, I might even be a little more supportive of keeping this page. As it is right now, no. --Robert Horning 01:12, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - If it had an examine option, but you could not do anything with it, it would be non-interactive scenery and still up for deletion. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 07:30, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - The delete template is bigger than the entire article....--
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Delete - There is absolutely no way this is a valid article. Amethyst II Talk 19:59, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - But we should mention it in the Sir Percival page. Morgoth Bauglir 01:02, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

There is already a part that say that he was "searching for a set of legendary artefacts named the 'Golden Boots of Arkanesses'." Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 09:20, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

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File:Vampyre Attacks Monks.png

The image's focus, both in the title and in the actual image, is on the players, not the actual vampyre. The only reason to keep it would be because it shows the vyrewatch, but we already have an image of one in an identical pose here

Delete - as nominator kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 16:25, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Neutral, leaning towards Keep - It shows players fighting a vyrewatch: it's not exactly the same as the other image. This might not be enough to keep the image, but I think this image is worth it (maybe the name needs to be changed though, but that's not necessary). Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 16:34, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Weak Delete I think this image should be deleted, but another image, or possibly an animation, should be uploaded. I think all unusual creatures should have a picture or animation showing them attacking, and the vyrewatch certainly qualifies as unusual. Rwojy 07:29, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - The image shows the players, yes, but what good does that do? You might as well just photo shop the other picture and a pic of some players, put 'em together and you get this one. And it is low quality. An animation would be nice though. Smile Chicken7 >talk 13:13, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Per chicken, better in an animation. Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 13:25, September 25, 2009 (UTC)


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File:RuneLongUpdate.gif

File:RuneLongUpdate.gif

This image doesn't show anything useful, just a player attacking a cockroach. Its also fairly low quality and violates a lot of our image policies.

Delete - as nom kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 18:25, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Weak delete - I was going to say keep, but it truly does not help in anyway. It is useless for the cockroach article as half of it is gone. And the rune sword doesn't have a special attack or anything so an animation isn't needed. Chicken7 >talk 08:52, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - No special attack, and that the attack isn't that much unique to gain it's own animation. ~MuzTalk 00:43, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Per Muzzy Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 10:47, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - The look is not new anymore. Miasmic Blitz icon.png Hapi007 Talk! Sign! . 05:46, October 1, 2009 (UTC)


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Smithing Iron

I think this article should be deleted because, firstly, its primary author, Cscooper, has abandoned it for nearly 6 months (his last edit was 29 May 2009) and its still largely incomplete, most noticeably the table. Also the title is "Smithing Iron" yet its all about smithing Steel. Its quite odd. Lastly, and most importantly, all the information can be, and in fact is, covered by the Free-to-play Smithing training and Smithing#Training for Members articles, except in a much more brief manner. There's really no need for such an extensive treatise about such a small aspect of smithing training.

Delete - As nom.

Delete - If at a future date it is deemed that the wiki needs to go into this mugh detail because there are so many editers with so little to do, then we can easily just reincarnate it and fix it up. Until that day, I don't feel that it is really needed. It seems that deleting is the better option, since it adds very little new info to the wiki but would require a lot of work to fix up. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 04:02, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

  • Delete - Per nom and evil. Chicken7 >talk 04:07, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - This page can be considered obsolete, as being one of the unorganised junk passed from the past. Now the information is covered by something else, deletion is recommended. Rewlf2 04:24, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Per all. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 14:51, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - I think a better page could be eventually written that can do nearly everything this page proposes to do. Essentially, it is some content that ought to be added to the Skill Training Guides, but needs some extra help. I really don't see what can be salvaged from this effort. --Robert Horning 18:02, October 2, 2009 (UTC)


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File:Hallowed lands map.jpg

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The image is small, badly done on MS Paint and very low quality. It is only used in one article, which doesn't really need the image in the first place. Additionally, the circle is around some of the black area, and we don't know for sure that the Hallowed Lands extended that far in the first place.


Delete - As nominator. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  05:56, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - Replace it? Music icon.pngXtarn • Talk • Emote button.png 06:00, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - The line on the black part is complete speculation based on absolutely nothing. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 02:24, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Pure speculation. Per RS:NOT#CRYSTAL Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 06:56, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Do you think the article Hallowed Lands should also go? All of it's content is by a single editor, and it also be speculation, I'm not sure, just asking. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 14:36, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
Comment - The Hallowed Lands article should definitely not go. It's an area that's been referred to many times, but people tend to confuse it with Hallowvale. I do think the page should be written less speculatively, though. Quest.png Morian Smith Saradomin crozier.png 22:31, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Per others. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 08:13, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Doesn't even show anything very useful. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 08:17, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Useless and doesn't show anything. Quest point cape.pngTalk Newbie856 edit count Nomad guideMusic icon.png 20:47, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - per Psycho Robot. Andrew talk 03:10, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Delete' - The map is too big, is of poor quality, is based off of too much speculation, and a basic Morytania map could serve the same purpose. Quest.png Morian Smith Saradomin crozier.png 22:28, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Delete & Comment - Delete the image, keep the article. The location of the "Hallowed lands" is purely speculation and the image is in JPEG format. That, coupled with the fact that the small image for a large map makes the entire image really poor quality. Black cavalier.png Zenihdrol Tribal top (blue).png 13:09, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - This map doesn't seem to show anything useful,and is purely based on speculation... Master wand.png~Masama~TalkMages' book.png 13:08, October 13, 2009 (UTC)


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Cheats and scams

Previous VfD

Im going to nominate this page once again for deletion as I believe it is outdated and could be used in a manor that is totally agianst the Runescape rules. 90% of the scams on the page are out dated and unusable and have no reason to still be used on this wiki. For the scams that are still possible today, they need to be removed as they could potentially be used by genuine scammers to break the Runescape rules.

Delete - As nominator RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 21:18, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
Delete - Scams are mostly a thing of the past. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 21:29, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
Keep/rewrite to be current - While this isn't something I necessarily want to die for, I do think there is a place where we can keep players informed that there are cheats and scams that exist within the game... that they should beware of. BTW, I don't think scams are a thing of the past. Indeed I know that not to be true and have had folks, even recently, try to gain access to my account. One of the worst of the current scams is the Merchant Clan pyramid scam... talked about openly on the RSOF if you need sources. I could go into details on that one as well, as to how it is different from ordinary merch clans too. Does this article need to be re-written? Absolutely. And I don't think DarkRSWiki is doing the job to properly inform the members of our community about what potential scams that players should be avoiding. There is a role for a page like this. --Robert Horning 14:20, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
Comment - If that is your belief, It would need to be rewritten to keep a neutral POV and also needs to be in a much better format... Right now, it is based as a guide which wouldn't be found if I opened up any local Encyclopedia... RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 17:59, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
If you are referring to the other on-line encyclopedia project, I think I can find articles there which have even more substantial NPOV problems than this particular article and are even being kept in the 1.0 project over there. A rewrite is not rationale for deletion unless the point is to completely nuke the article hoping that something new will take its place that is of much higher caliber. I've seen that happen in the past, but I've also seen somebody willing to simply dig in and overhaul an article of this nature to also have it work out.
What I don't want is the uncertainty of having the sword of deletion hanging over my head where even changes made in good faith to improve the article are also lost with all of the cruft you are complaining about. NPOV problems generally aren't justification for starting a VfD, although it is very useful to point out NPOV problems and try to offer solutions on how to improve things. More important, it is a sign that we need to be bold and fix things instead of complaining in committees. If it bugs you, fix it. Raising NPOV problems on the talk page and even posting an ugly message box at the top of the article that it may have NPOV issues is certainly reasonable. That still doesn't justify why it needs to be deleted, and that wouldn't be rational for deletion on the other encyclopedia you are referring to. --Robert Horning 19:08, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
Keep - This is an important part of the history of RS, and we need to preserve it. Also, I see people trying to scam others all the time (even though it may only be for 2k or something). Merch clans are also scams. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 14:32, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
Comment - Whilst I agree it is an important piece of the RS history, This page needs to be totally rewritten to meet an Encyclopedic standard... Not a guide. RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 17:59, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
Yes, it should be rewritten. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 14:55, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

Keep and rewrite - This article needs a serious redo, not a deletion. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  21:24, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

Comment/Split - Maybe it should be split into two articles, one page for former/obselete/resolved/historical scams and another for scams currently in effect?? Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 05:16, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Comment/Slit - Same as above, but keep recent scams in the main article. Many of these scams are from RS Classic or the VERY early days of RS2. These should get their own page. The ones in more recent memory should be kept on this page. --Constitution cape.png csoursTalkIdeas Quest point cape.png 05:28, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Keep/No split - This article serves two important purposes. 1: Tells people about potential scams and what activity to be weary of. If we are really concerned about people using this information to commit scamming, we can put a disclaimer at the top. And, B: This project also shows the history of RS including certain social phenomenon such as drop parties, wilderness luring, and old scams are part of the history of RS. Also, I say we keep it as one article, so that we can easily move any old from a current list to a historical list within the same article. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 14:47, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Rewrite - changed to rewrite. There needs to be two sections, current scams and historic scams. They should not be mixed togeter, but they don't need to be on seperate pages. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 14:58, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Leaning to keep - Only willing to keep IF the article is rewritten to be more neutral and informative rather than giving people instructions on how to perform the scams. Black cavalier.png Zenihdrol Tribal top (blue).png 13:14, October 13, 2009 (UTC)


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Blacksmith working the bellows

I remember how twice previously that it was decided that living non-interactive scenery should not be deleted in vfds (here and here) though this should still technically be deleted because the Granularity policy still says otherwise. I felt that it was best to host a VFD for this page, since it is the safest option. I am moot on the subject btw. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 06:03, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Normally I'd keep, but this article has almost no information, no pictures and not even the examine info. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  06:56, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Leaning to keep - Here is a little more criteria (on my part): Is the NPC referenced anywhere else, such as a quest? Is there even a name involved? This is certainly a real fuzzy line here. The article could simply be tagged as a stub and "under construction", and certainly could be improved. If all that remains is this one line of text, I'd say delete, but consider that somebody else could come along and recreate this article with a screen shot and better prose to describe what is seen here. I don't have a problem with trying to push the wiki to the next level by describing these sorts of NPCs, but we should also have something that players would actually bother with reading as well. --Robert Horning 13:18, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - I've re-written the article, and while it's far from up to the Wiki's standards, I think it now contains enough information to justify its keeping. While the NPC appears simple on the surface, the history that led to his addition is actually somewhat interesting and has been added to the page. There is probably more that could be added, and an image/examine entry would definitely help to wrap the page up, but I think in its current state it's atleast passable. Quest.png Morian Smith Saradomin crozier.png 20:02, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Changed to keep - It still needs editing but the amount of information (IMO) now warrants a keep. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  20:07, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I've just added a picture. --Iiii I I I 20:09, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - We do have articles on hay bales and whatnot, why not keep this ? Also, I've added a bit more info and his examine text. Quest point cape.pngTalk Newbie856 edit count Nomad guideMusic icon.png 20:28, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - Per Morian --Armadyl symbol.png Nightgunner Talk Illuminated Book of Law.png 20:33, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - Why keep Ardal but not this? Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 20:33, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Comment, well, question Should I make a template for Interactive Scenery with no other categories, such as Hay bales and other ? And, if so, what options should it ? I've already thought of : Image (duh), name, location and interactive options (need better name) and type, but, I feel it's missing some things, what else ? Quest point cape.pngTalk Newbie856 edit count Nomad guideMusic icon.png 20:42, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - Martina Scorsby and Music appreciators also do nothing, the only difference is they are a yellow dot and a yellow name rather than a blue name. I'd be fine deleting on terms of notability, but since this VFD is because its name is blue instead of yellow, I vote keep. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 02:17, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - Even the most useless items on RuneScape have a page here. Babyvegeta93 16:18, October 12, 2009 (UTC)


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Keep -Yeah, we havve pages on things nnot dissimilair to this, including music appreciators who are a blue dot-the "invisible" is the yellow dot, so, hey, if you delete that one maybe I'll think again. I think the article is fine. -- ile:Runecrafter hat.png Helm360Talkhiscore Mithril bar.png 07:25, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Weak keep - It is scenery. But because it has such a rich history, I will say keep. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 07:01, October 15, 2009 (UTC)


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RuneScape:Dungeons

Delete - This is a blank project that never got off the ground. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 22:40, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - ^  Panjy16  23:04, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - No need for it if its not being used. P.S. Nice sig Panjy. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 23:27, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Agreed with comments above. Black cavalier.png Zenihdrol Tribal top (blue).png 13:08, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Narwhals I mean, Delete. It's a blank page. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  19:49, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Close/Delete - Many reasons: 1) The page is blank, 2) No users, 3) Should be a WikiGuild, 4) Is in the form of a "WikiProject" and many more. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 07:07, October 15, 2009 (UTC)


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File:Cockatrice gallery17.jpg

File:Cockatrice gallery17.jpg is from the Players' Gallery, not official Jagex material. Even though it was featured by Jagex, it is still fanart none the less and thus does not have any place on the wiki. It is also identical to the image File:Cockatrice.png on the same page. I chose the safer option and started a VFD for the image rather then just deleting it ouright. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 00:39, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - See also File:Bandos warrior player art.png Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 02:14, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Doesn't contribute anything really. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 00:50, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - I don't think we should fanart on the wiki, as it just give editors the idea to upload their own pictures. UAWXALBucket detail.pngrwojy 01:00, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Per Yanks. If it does not contribute in a way different than an image from it's in-game counterpart, it should be removed. Ryan PM 01:05, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Per all for deleting so far as it is fanart. - TehKittyCatTalk Wikian-Book 01:11, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Sure.  Panjy16  01:25, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Forget to say that I want it deleted. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 01:36, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Per what Rwojy said, will give users the idea to upload their own fanart images outside of their userpages. Black cavalier.png Zenihdrol Tribal top (blue).png 11:52, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


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Quest Table

I think this page is unneccessary. It was never even finished, the {construction} tag's been on it forever, it's been rarely been updated since its creation to years ago, it doesn't provide any real use, the table, while sortable is just an eyesore, and List of quests exists, albeit without being sortable or having item requirements.

Delete Nominator. FEWSMBucket detail.pngrwojy 05:15, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Delete and Redirect Per nom Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 05:16, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Delete Information overload, unorganized, unfinished, and unsalvageable. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 05:23, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Per all. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 05:26, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - and do not redirect. Removed link from all the pages that link to it. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 07:12, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Fire the Death Star - It's basically an incomplete duplicate of the List of quests. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  07:27, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

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Delete/No redirect - per chicken (mmmmm chicken ;p) Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 12:36, October 18, 2009 (UTC)


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Black partyhat

[[File:Black party hat.PNG|left]] This article, along with its photoshopped image should not be here due to our Non-existent item policy. There are also no sources or any type of real facts, just speculation based on rumours.

Delete Merge - To Party hat as nominator. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 02:16, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Keep Merge - Even if it is a myth or speculation, I think that this information should be documented. Sort of like Bigfoot or the Loch Ness. Only eyewitnesses/rumours/speculation, but no real hard evidence. C.ChiamTalk 06:47, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Then how would you feel about mentioning it in the Party hat article, but not giving it its own page? kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 06:56, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, on second thought, why don't we merge it with the Red partyhat article, much like how the Pink partyhat article has been merged with the Purple partyhat article? C.ChiamTalk 05:44, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
The fact that they were caused by people mistaking red party hats for black party hats is speculation, it really should just go to Party hat kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 06:13, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
Merge then. C.ChiamTalk 06:19, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Delete per above ‎20px‎AtlandyBeer.png 17:23, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - To quote that policy: Articles about notable urban legends are allowed to be created if the rumour has been recognised by many players. I think this is a notable urban legend. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 17:28, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Leaning to Keep - At least I'm curious about what is going on here. Enough edits have happened to this article, together with several previous VfD curiously not mentioned here that it seems like some other issue is going on here. Additional references would be useful to at least explain what this rumor is all about. An attempt to sidestep the VfD process happened at RuneScape:Votes for deletion/Fake image/Archive 2, and there is a reference to another VfD that at the moment I can't find. Doing a quick google search also seems to find additional references to this item, at least adding "legitimacy" to the fact that this isn't confined to a rumor spread by this wiki alone. This is something more akin to the Sailing skill speculation.... faked as well, but something that is now simply a part of RS fan culture. --Robert Horning 19:30, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

P.S. RS:GRAN would indicate, to me, that this should be either deleted altogether or kept as a separate article and not merged into something else. While I know that some items have been merged together in a manner that is proposed here, it does go against this basic philosophy. --Robert Horning 19:33, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Merge with Party hat Amethyst II Talk 18:03, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Merge - I don't feel that it is a myth at all, more being the butt of all jokes where they need the most expensive, exclusive item. I have never met anyone that has thought that the black partyhat was ever real. I do feel that all the info should not be lost forever since it is an interesting read, so I think that it should be merged. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 11:26, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Merge with Red partyhat - From what I can gather, the Red partyhat was mistaken for the non-existant Black partyhat. The non-existant Pink partyhat was merged with the Purple partyhat. It's only common sense to merge the non-existant item which was based on speculation from the existing item, thus deserving a say in the existing items' article. It doesn't deserve it's own. In short, merge. Black cavalier.png Zenihdrol Tribal top (blue).png 13:19, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - per Robert Horning. I believe this was always fake, but it has become recognised among RuneScapians. I am also super surprised the Sailing skill article was deleted. I might RfU it, although this isn't the place to go on about that. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 06:56, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Weak keep - Per Robert and Chicken. If it's a known rumour, I guess it deserves an article but I'm kind of partial on the matter. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  00:27, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Merge with Party hat - I don't think it should be deleted, but it definately doesn't deserve to have its own page. -- 05:55, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
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Zemouregal - Varrock Conflicts

All the information it contains is in Zemouregal and History of Varrock. The article has rarely edited since its creation to remove it from Special:WantedPages.

Delete - Nominator. RWCXBucket detail.pngrwojy 00:12, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Information is already covered elsewhere. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 00:14, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Per Psycho and Rwojy. --Iiii I I I 00:18, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Delete/Redirect - I would agree that this page does not effectively discuss the topic, which is covered better elsewhere. I would suggest a redirect to History of Varrock instead of deletion, and noting that Battle of Varrock Castle links to this article. --Robert Horning 23:35, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Delete/Redirect - Per all. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 12:34, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

I don't think a redirect is necessary. Who would actually search "Zemouregal - Varrock Conflicts"? kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 22:51, October 18, 2009 (UTC)
Delete - if the information is covered elsewhere, then I see no reason to keep it. -- 06:13, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Delete/Redirect - @Psycho: If I'd search for this, I think I would search for those words. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 16:54, October 20, 2009 (UTC)


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Eastern Realm

Article isn't needed, it should, at best, be a mention on a page about elves. Chaos knight 03:26, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Delete The article is just a list of locations in the eastern realm. It should just be noted on Elves that they call the collection of places the eastern realm. NRXVFIBucket detail.pngrwojy 03:33, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - The geographical area is far too wide to be covered in just one article. Also I lol'd at the "also known as" entry in the infobox: "Western half of P2P" indeed! kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 03:33, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Not worthy of an article. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  03:34, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Utterly pointless. Black cavalier.png Zenihdrol Tribal top (blue).png 11:49, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - It's too broad a term to cover in one article. You'd basically be describing the whole in-game world. Quest.png Morian Smith Saradomin crozier.png 17:22, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Doesn't fit with the other geography articles. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 12:43, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Other, more specific articles do much more than this blanketed article did. Ryan PM 22:56, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - It's almost the same as writing an article about Gielinor, but even less detailed. It's almost impossible to get it right. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 16:57, October 20, 2009 (UTC)


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Iestin

Iestin is the name of an character that does not exist yet. The information in the article is based entirely on speculation and repeats information mentioned in the articles: Elf messenger and Prifddinas report. Because of this, I do not believe that this particular subject deserves an article until we know more.

  • Keep - It ís mentioned in-game, and we may get more information in the future. Miasmic Blitz icon.png Hapi007 Talk! Sign! . 12:01, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep - The Wiki's always kept articles on all characters, including the minor ones. And I think this character will probably be important in the future. The page probably ought to be improved, though. Quest.png Morian Smith Saradomin crozier.png 17:24, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep - For the reasons mentioned above, plus the fact that players may want to look Iestin up and see if there's a background story attached to the name.
17:48, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep - Per RS:G. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  21:24, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep - All characters mentioned in-game (even if dead or not seen) should have articles I think. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 12:46, October 18, 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep - Didn't we also have the article about the person who signed the Armadyl note thingy before s/he was put in-game? Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 16:58, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment - You know what I'd like to see? (Of course you don't!) On Wikipedia, they have the map/locater thing in the infobox and then they type in the coordinates and it pinpoints the location. This would make finding various locations simplistic rather than having a map with a dot/circle for every article that describes a location. But I believe this may be hard, but hasn't the RS/Gielinor map already got coordinates? Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 05:43, October 21, 2009 (UTC)
What does that have to do with Iestin? Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 19:46, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

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File:Zafflocation.PNG

This image is basically useless, because we already have an image of the location of Zaff's shop which I have placed on Zaff's page. This picture takes up more space and looks less professional. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  10:08, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I like this shot better as it is easier to see where in varrok the shop is. The other pic doesn't have enough surrounding detail so it takes a second to figure it out. Best of all I think would be this shot with maybe 1-3 to 1/2 of the surroundings clipped. --Degenret01 10:30, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Whoops, I forgot to add this to the VdF page when I offered it up for scrapping. Will do now. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  21:21, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

I prefer this one because you can see which shops are around it, so finding it is easier for new players. Prgmbeta 21:24, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Keep, delete the other one - I think this pic shows the surrounding area better. I can't tell the store location from the pic currently in the article. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 12:48, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Keep, delete the other one - If you only look at the other picture, you would have no idea where to go. I like this one much better. -- 06:27, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Keep, delete the other - While the other one is smaller, it is also devoid of useful landmarks. It may as well show a building in an empty field for all the help it gives a new player in finding it. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 06:31, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Do you mean useful landmarks??? lol Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 07:47, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
What are you talking about, crazy person?! That's what I said!!! >_> kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 15:02, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

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History of Asgarnia

This article has no information, and has not been made well. ShinyUnown T | C | E 15:37, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

This should definitely be deleted... it just has a kind of an introduction, rather than any actual information ABOUT Asgarnia... --Skull.pngGalanothwolf(talk) 15:40, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - It's still under construction. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 15:54, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

I'll work on it some. I feel it's an important article, even though it's virtually not started, and I'm sure I can find some information to graft in here. So Keep it. I'll turn it around, you'll see. 20:38, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
Scratch that. I've done it, take a look at the article now, I think we may be able to keep it. :) 21:53, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - It has enough info to warrant a keep, IMO. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  02:35, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - This article has definite potential to grow, and it is not completely devoid of info. --Aburnett(Talk) 02:37, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Merge - Most history information is included in the main articles. I think this info would add quite a bit to the Asgarnia article without making it too big. I think all this information is great, but more people will find it in the main article. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 12:51, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Merge - The information here IS relevant so I don't think we should outright delete the article. Rather, merge it with Asgarnia. Black cavalier.png Zenihdrol Tribal top (blue).png 13:33, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - I feel like deleting this would be like ripping a page or even a chapter out of a history book. -- 06:23, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Merge - To Asgarnia. Most of this info is probably there already anyways. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 06:27, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - I believe that we should not be so hasty to delete this article. Surely this wiki's purpose is to cover all aspects of the RuneScape universe as best as possible? One could hardly call it a stub, anyway, and thus it is fairly notable. I understand some of its information is already in the Asgarnia article, but I truly doubt it it ultimately merits deletion. Ralnon (talk) 23:10, October 20, 2009 (UTC)


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File:Pathtopriffdinas1.png

[[File:Pathtopriffdinas1.png|thumb|right]]

I think this image should be deleted because its all based on speculation. It looks pretty clear to me that those bridges are just a section of the Underground Pass, and even if they're not, per RS:NOT#CRYSTAL, we cannot speculate on what they may be, and until they have a use, they are non-interactive scenery which should be uploaded per granularity.

Delete - as nominator. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 04:31, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - I almost put it up for speedy deletion for the same reasons. KAXRPBucket detail.pngrwojy 04:34, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Per above. --
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Strong Delete - It's just a part of the Underground pass. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 15:22, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - It is the Underground Pass, and it needs to get passed for deletion. Ryan PM 22:54, October 19, 2009 (UTC)


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File:TMVPCWMS.jpg

I know I've been creating a lot of VfDs recently, but I felt this should be deleted as it is low quality and doesn't really show much, other than some of the dialogue branches when talking to Miss Schism (which can easily be covered in the article, or a dialogue subpage). ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  06:58, October 31, 2009 (UTC)\

Closed - The image is totally unnecessary, so a VfD isn't needed and it will be speedy deleted. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 07:02, October 31, 2009 (UTC)


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Template:Animation

See the discussion at [[Template talk:Animation]] for prior discussion regarding this template

Delete - This is a vanity driven template, and really only serves to say "I made this animation and this is my RS character". I don't really think this template contributes anything substantial to the project. User:Ranpos is the only editor to use the template and they haven't responded to my message requesting their input. I think this template should go. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 19:00, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Strong delete - Pure vanity and now plainly against the image policy. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 19:47, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Closed - This was created a long time ago, and since it blatantly violates a policy, I think a speedy delete is in order. C.ChiamTalk 09:40, November 1, 2009 (UTC)


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File:File-Noobcalling.png

File:File-Noobcalling.png|left|thumb I think this file should be deleted because it doesn't really show anything useful, just a player shouting "Noob!", I'm pretty sure players can imagine this on their own.

Delete - as nominator. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 02:18, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - That picture is NOOB. Really, just useless... — Enigma 02:22, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - If it doesn't add anything of value to the article, get rid of it. Ryan PM 04:19, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - No point to it -- 04:48, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Normally I'm a big fan of Nuparus work, but this is rather useless. Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 04:58, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Unneedded. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 16:59, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - If we're going to delete this, are we going to delete File:Noobcalling.png too? --Iiii I I I 23:22, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

I would say yes, it is the same thing, and it is also sd. But, just to follow along, we should set up another VfD if we want to delete that one also. ~MuzTalk 23:27, October 21, 2009 (UTC)
That image was speedy deleted because it wasn't used in any mainspace articles. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 03:41, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
Aww, I was hoping someone would start a VfD on it so I could support deletion on my own image and point out its speedy deletion candidacy for epic irony. Oh well. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 22:48, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Doesn't really show anything well enough to use an image. ~MuzTalk 23:27, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Useless on the wiki, insignificant, and perhaps even offensive to the more sensitive new players. Strongly support Deletion. Ralnon (talk) 23:07, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

You know that we have an article with "*itch", "*uck", "sh*t", "p*nis", "c*nt", "*igger" and "anal sex" on it, right? We had a vote where we decided that we, as a community, liked to eat kindergarteners and wouldn't worry about offending people. :P Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 00:38, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
But the Slang dictionary has a Template:Offensive content|warning on it. --Iiii I I I 00:41, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
Actually Chia, most of those were deleted, because they were not slang or abbreviations, but censor evasions, which are not covered in the slang dictionary's scope. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 03:46, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
Nope, all those words- and more, might I add -were there until I removed them a short while ago. I had brought up essentially what you said in the Clan Chat, got everyone's agreement, but procrastinated in actually taking them down.
I just wanted to point out the contradiction where we would be uncensored with cusses (seriously, we actually did have a consensus that we would "eat kindergarteners" and be uncensored), yet try not to be offensive with usage of the word "noob". Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 22:48, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Comment: - Indeed? So what is your point here? Do you want to keep the image? Whatever you are trying to say, please, I do not find just listing a group of curses, as I think we all know what a curse is, and a fair deal about this wiki's policies, particularly useful or relevant. Thank you, Ralnon (talk) 21:52, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Not needed at all. Plainly pointless and I'm sure we have all seen this! Woodcutting-icon.png Wc_454 TalkHigh Scores Farming-icon.png 05:43, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Useless... bad_fetustalk 17:32, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - If the intention was to convey levelism, it didn't come out so well. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 22:48, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Actually, this is basically a HD version of the now deleted File:Noobcalling.png. In fact, I actually paid that guy 5k for him to let me call him a noob... But, if you guys think this image is unnecessary, then I will Support as well. And anyway @ above, what I wanted to show was that I was of lower level than the other guy, because in the Noob article, under this image read: A player may be called a "noob" as pejorative, regardless of how long they have been playing. So actually what I meant to show was that I was noobier than the other guy, because at least he was wearing Iron Armour, while I was wearing the default clothes. Of course, that would have worked better if I was wearing :File:Default user.png|this... --Nup(T) 13:18, October 27, 2009 (UTC)


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Template:Tarikochi Credits

I am nominating Template:Tarikochi Credits for deletion, because it is clearly in violation of our new image policy, which says that image descriptions should not include credits. But if there shouldn't be any credits, why have a credits template?
Also, most of the images are SD and will be replaced sooner or later, which would render this template useless.

That is why I am nominating this template for deletion.

Delete - As nominator. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 09:28, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

Closed - Seeing as it goes against our policies, I'll be speedy deleting this. C.ChiamTalk 09:34, November 1, 2009 (UTC)


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File:CockroachSpecial.png

[[File:CockroachSpecial.png|100px|frame|left]]

It just doesn't contribute anything, and the main focus is just a black shape thing, which for all I know could've been made with MS Paint. — Enigma 18:01, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Replace - It's not good, but it's needed. I think someone should just retake it. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 18:02, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

The special attack itself is just a black blob, I'm pretty sure we don't need an image for that. — Enigma 18:04, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Support Deletion - It's kinda useless, and AFAIK doesn't contribute to anything. Quest point cape detail.png Brux Talk 18:07, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - An animation as a replacement may be in order though, I'd have to see one to make suitable judgment on that. But this still definitely is not necessary.

kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 18:11, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Replace - It's a really bad picture, but as Oli said, it's needed. bad_fetustalk 17:34, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Replace-Bad quality but its needed.Ps. you cant make that on my paint as accurately.Saradomin swordZorvarsingh [Talk] [Contribs] 16:54, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Delete + Replace - I think an animation is needed for this. As long as the player isn't attacking back and preferably with no armour. Black cavalier.png Zenihdrol Tribal top (blue).png 22:14, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Replace - We do need an image of this attack, just a better one. And I would think whoever is taking can have armour on since one almost never fights these guys without armour. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 17:59, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Either an animation as a replacement, or delete it. I don't think it's necessary. Prgmbeta 00:07, November 2, 2009 (UTC)


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Appeal

This page is nothing but player opinion. No one actually knows what makes a good appeal, in fact very little information about the appeal process has been released, except I believe it was said somewhere that appeals are rejected automatically if significant evidence of rule-breaking exists.

Delete Nominator. AVQBucket detail.pngrwojy 07:01, October 23, 2009 (UTC) Delete - Rwojy said it much better then I could. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 07:10, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Keep and rewrite - It's full of opinionated crap that needs to be deleted, but the appeal process is an important part of account management and deserves an article. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  10:34, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Per Nom. --Armadyl symbol.png Nightgunner Talk Illuminated Book of Law.png 14:02, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Delete or Rewrite - If someone could rewrite this well, then great, but otherwise: delete. This is the nightmare of RS:NPOV. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 14:05, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Delete or Rewrite - I suppose it could deserve an article, but this page tramps all over RS:NPOV. Just fix it or get rid of it... --
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Rewrite - It could be good - but the only information would be based on logic, and comman sence. I will attempt to re-write it if it dosent get deleted  Woodcutting Benzeman talk contribsDragon hatchet.png  16:08, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - How can you vote to delete or rewrite at the same time.. that's contradictory. Andrew talk 16:18, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Jagex accepts and denies appeals pretty much at random. As such this article is wishful thinking. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 16:23, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

According to them they read every appeal, so who are we to call them liars? :s Andrew talk 16:33, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
I know from experience that the content of an appeal has nothing to do with its fate. Maybe they read it, but who's to say that makes a difference? kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 16:44, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
You aren't the only one with these experiences. >_> They do not approve/deny appeals at random. Andrew talk 16:53, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
Maybe not at random but a well written appeal won't significantly improve your chances, that's for sure. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 17:11, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
No, it isn't "for sure" because that's a load of rubbish. I'm done debating this issue unless you're willing to be open-minded and quit assuming bad faith about Jagex. Andrew talk 17:16, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
I've got agree with Soldier here, there is absolutely no way you can know how JaGeX deals with appeals, unless you secretly work for them. --Aburnett(Talk) 17:20, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Rewrite - It's badly written, but it's needed. bad_fetustalk 17:35, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I'm going to attempt to rewrite it in a couple of hours (I have to go out now, so I'll write it when I'm back). Screw it, I'm no good at rewriting. I'll leave it to guys like Morian Smith. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  21:01, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Keep/rewrite-It's definitely needed although a rewrite wouldn't do any bad.Saradomin swordZorvarsingh [Talk] [Contribs] 16:52, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Rewrite - I suppose a rewriting of the article may be preferable to simply deleting it...it may have some helpful tips to certain players. Ralnon (talk) 18:21, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Delete, bordering on rewrite. - I don't think player opinion is relevant for this subject. However, if the article is rewritten so that it is based on fact rather than player opinion then I'd be okay with this. Black cavalier.png Zenihdrol Tribal top (blue).png 22:19, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - The whole guide thing needs to go. It's completely opinionated and nobody knows if writing a polite appeal even affects Jagex's decision. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  05:15, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Keep but complete rewrite - Appeals are a significant detail of the mute/ban process and deserve an article. This article however needs a complete overhaul to be NPOV. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 23:57, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Rewrite - I believe it should be rewritten to include fact, not player opinion. Rewrite with a NPOV in mind. Prgmbeta 00:04, November 2, 2009 (UTC)


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File:Swayingtreebones.png

I decided to VfD this as it doesn't contribute much at all to the article and is very low quality. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  10:22, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Its not really necessary. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 19:49, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - It's .JPG, and isn't that important. --Iiii I I I 19:52, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - We can't have every image of every glitch. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 00:09, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - .JPG and fairly useless. That glitch is, quite honestly, lame and not notable in the least. 20px‎ Kudos 2 U Talk! Edit count! Contribs! 11:54, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Per all. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 20:07, November 1, 2009 (UTC)


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File:Magic expert.png

[[File:Magic expert.png|right]] This has a poor file name, poor quality, and is simply not needed. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 23:35, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - Well then upgrade it and its needed Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 23:47, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Replace - Per Twigy. It's needed, but better quality. I'd get a new shot myself but I can't access the Magic Guild. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  01:24, November 8, 2009 (UTC) Edit: I think I can use a Magic potion to get into the Guild. I'll replace the image when I can (a couple of hours approx).

Strong keep - There's no reason to delete it. We definitely need it, but it could be replaced with a better version. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 01:32, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Updated - I took a new capture of this image and I think it looks better than the old one. Anyone is welcome to add an even better pic if they want. I think this new version should do the trick though. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 03:42, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

  • cough* could you possibly take another one with anti-aliasing off? Cos its hard to add transparncy when its on, and it never looks that good. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 03:43, November 8, 2009 (UTC)
Done, I always forget that... In any case, it's fixed. Nice catch, I hadn't even left Yanille! Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 03:55, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Closed - Now that the new version is uploaded, this VFD is a candidate for Snowball. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 04:01, November 8, 2009 (UTC)


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File:Iron Rock.png

Iron Rock.png

Delete - This image is a standard detail image of what iron rock used to look like. Basically, it is three triangles and something else. It doesn't contribute anything to the article and deserves to be destroyed. A pre-schooler could have drawn that with markers. --
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Strong Keep - For historical purposes. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 15:44, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Strong Keep - There are still some Iron ore rocks still like this.Kingkill410 15:55, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Strong Keep Par last  Woodcutting Benzeman talk contribsDragon hatchet.png  17:57, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - Images such as this are typically moved to Graphical improvements once they are removed from the game. Despite the fact that a 3 year old could have designed a better looking mine rock (and eventually did), the are still some out there, as such it should stay for the time being, then when they are all removed, moved to the Graphical improvement page. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 18:50, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - Per Psycho Robot and Oli. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  23:55, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are still places you can find that iron ore still looks like this. Even if they aren't in the game anymore, this is a historical image that show just how far the game graphics have come. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 21:15, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - Historical image. --Iiii I I I 21:18, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - Actually quite a few rocks that are still like this, and even if there weren't it'd be historical. 20px‎ Kudos 2 U Talk! Edit count! Contribs! 05:05, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Closed - Result is keep. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 02:04, November 9, 2009 (UTC)


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RuneScape:POH_Style_Guide

Article appears to be abandoned and is based only on biased opinions as to what the author thought looked good...

Heart crystal.png Joshuamcz Talk. 09:02, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Move and rewrite? - Is it in the wrong namespace? I mean like it has RuneScape in the front. Maybe we can make it a sub page to another article. A rewrite would also be good to remove biased opinions and adding more information to a good house. Santa hat.png Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 09:25, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Keep/move/merge - This is something that really needs to be put in with or a supplement to the various guides on Construction. It has been argued on some fansite forums that construction is boring and that all POH houses look the same. I've argued otherwise... and it is this article together with some interesting designs for houses I've seen on this wiki that have convinced me that there is some architecture design going into a POH that could shared with the greater RS community. As a suggested name for a possible rename... how about Construction/POH Architecture Guide? --Robert Horning 20:52, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Delete The only legitimate advice that's not completely opinion driven is the logistical benefit to putting your portals and your altar near the entrance. Anything beyond that its completely based on opinion and therefore has no place in an encyclopedia. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 15:37, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Delete/Rewrite There are literally millions of ways a house could be built, and which ones are 'right' or 'cool' varies from person to person. Maybe a guide for a basic layout could be made instead of what's currently in the article? SWJMRUBucket detail.pngrwojy 02:17, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Rewrite - Per Rwojy. This has a potential to be quite helpful, but is in the wrong namespace and is full of opinion. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  06:46, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - I was actually going to put this up for VfD too, but then I saw this OMG! Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 14:07, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Rewrite - Per Telos. bad_fetustalk 17:33, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Per Psycho Robot. Black cavalier.png Zenihdrol Tribal top (blue).png 22:20, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Delete/Move to User - This is entirely personal opinion, kind of like a "what costume you should wear" article and not for mainspace the runescape namespace. This is fine to be on a user page, but not article worthy. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 17:56, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Keep/Move/Rewrite - My house is boring and I am looking to renovate it soon, when I get some money (somehow). It would be good to have some tips on where to place rooms, what makes a good POH, etc. Like having the chapel near the portal, for when you train Prayer. And the teleportation portals not too far away as well. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 07:34, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Closed - The article was re-written and moved to Construction#Planning the layout. A series of redirects will be created. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 02:32, November 9, 2009 (UTC)


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[[The Myriad]]

For previous discussion, see [[Talk:The Myriad]]

Merge with Light creature - This article seems to merely speculate about the actual name of the race. The talk page mentions that this might be a misunderstanding due to the dialogue that calls the race "myriad and beautiful". Except in that usage, myriad is an adjective meaning many, not the name of the race. What do people think? Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 00:06, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Merge with Light creature - The two are one in the same, its even spelled outright in the game. As such Myriad does not fall under Granularity kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 00:14, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Juna's entire story about the light creatures already appears in the article for Prifddinas. If that story is added to Light creature, then any accurate information in The Myriad will be where it belongs and this article can be deleted. --Namrat Jahad 07:33, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Merge with Light creature - Per all. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 15:46, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

I just saw it. "Myriad" = many. Delete. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 14:56, November 9, 2009 (UTC)
Merge with Light creature - It definitely doesn't deserve to have its onw page, but it would be a horrible idea to delete it. A merge seems fine. 07:20, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
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Fortune telling

I strongly believe that this article should be deleted. This article is rather nonsensical, silly and is about a practice that I have never heard/seen/come across while playing RuneScape. Put broadly, the article talks about different ways that a player's fortune can be told, and is a whole new level of superstitiousness that I have never seen before.

One of the more ridiculous methods it lists is as follows: "Some may place a fire of oak on top of ram bones and wait until the ash can be swept away. Then the Bones are given to the seeker of fortune to bury in a place that holds meaning to the seer. The player is granted a feeling that the ram's spirit will protect him or her in the adventures to come."

If we are going to keep this article, it will bring about a whole array of problems. What qualifies as a proper method of fortune telling. How notable must this method be? Why don't I insert a section which says: "It is believed that running to the southern-most point on RuneScape to its northern-point will bring about good fortune, due to the blessings of the many monsters the player meets while doing so."

or

"Light a purple fire, while wearing full Enchanted robes. Purple is the colour of royalty and doing so will bring about good fortune for your character, and it may be that your character will be more lucky in his travels."

Now, enough of the examples. Moving on, the article gives a disclaimer at the end, which reads:

"(Please be sure to remember that fortune telling has an affect only on those who believe in it. Such things will NOT make you invincible and cannot prevent death or harm. The affect is psychological and only useful in decision making. You are entirely in control of what happens to your character. Also remember that any fortune teller who wishes to know your password in return for a divination is a scammer and should be reported immediately.)"

Even with this disclaimer, we should not keep this article as a whole variety of "fortune telling methods" could bring about psychological effects and affect your decision making. I'm surprised that no one has already VfDed this article, seeing as how ridiculous it really is. What do the rest of you think? C.ChiamTalk 09:06, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Support - as nom. C.ChiamTalk 09:06, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
Great Support - Per nom Makxtrl Talk 17:00, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Huge Support - Whoever made it put a lot of work into it, but I have never heard of it and it sounds preposterous. --
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17:10, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - This seems like the entire article is speculation. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 19:19, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - I think this may even be a candidate for speedy deletion, because not only does it duplicate information on the skullball and dice bag pages, but it seems pretty nonsensical to me. Any one else agree? kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 19:31, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Strong Delete - I'm surprised this even exists. It's funny, but definitely not worth an article at all. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 19:32, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - per all. It's ridiculous. Never heard of this in RuneScape... 20px‎ Kudos 2 U Talk! Edit count! Contribs! 05:07, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Strong Feed to Galactus - per all. In my (almost) two years of playing RS, I've never heard of this at all. There are no references, no sources, just a single IP who created a crappy article. Fortune telling seems completely ridiculous, and I think the only reason nobody's VfD'd it yet is because nobody knows it exists. Someone, please, fire the Death Star! ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  08:49, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Support - Does this even exists!? --Nup(T) 08:52, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Some people seem a bit too harsh... Delete due to being speculation. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 08:56, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - How absurd. Black cavalier.png Zenihdrol Tribal top (blue).png 08:07, November 10, 2009 (UTC)


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Spot stealing / Kill stealing

These articles have had a merge tag on them for a while so I thought I'd bring this up on VFD in hopes of getting a wider audience.

See previous discussion at Talk:Kill stealing

Merge to Spot stealing - Unless these articles get a major rewrite, there's not enough information on each to warrant 2 separate articles. I think we could summarize this information better in one article. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 19:03, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Merge - They're both essentially the same thing - competition for resources. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 19:13, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Merge - Per Psycho. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  00:43, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Merge to Kill stealing, rewrite and rename - Ye, I started the kill stealing article ages ago, and someone stole my articles independence Lol It isn't that hard to merge them, I think it is just a matter of moving the list over and deleting/redirecting the old one, then rewriting to remove focus from combat. But I didn't do it when I put the merge tag on, just in case. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 01:49, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

If anything, they should be merged to Spot stealing... because Kill stealing is a type of Spot stealing. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 01:52, November 7, 2009 (UTC)
I agree the name Spot stealing should be used, but I think we should merge the spot stealing content over, delete spot stealing and move the kill stealing article to that title, leaving a redirect. Only because the kill stealing article has over a year and a half of history/revisions, but the spot stealing a little over a month. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 05:05, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Merge into Spot stealing - When you steal someones kill you have stolen their spot, however if you steal someones spot you have not necessarily stolen their kill. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 02:04, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Merge into Spot stealing - per Evil yanks and Psycho Robot. I don't really like that title, though I can't think of a better one right now. Anyone want to have a go at that? It also is in need of a rewrite, hopefully that can be done when they're merged. 20px‎ Kudos 2 U Talk! Edit count! Contribs! 21:20, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Merge into Spot stealing - Per all. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 14:58, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Merge into Spot stealing - Per all. Black cavalier.png Zenihdrol Tribal top (blue).png 08:08, November 10, 2009 (UTC)


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File:All posible conversations with Draynor village tree gard.jpg

This image is low quality and contributes almost nothing to the article. To me it's nothing more than an eyesore. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  00:42, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Slight keep, but delete jpg - There is a redirect on that page to another [[:File:Allconversations-Draynortreeguard.png|image]] of the same thing. Although it may be a bit large, it does somewhat contribute to the article. ~MuzTalk 01:04, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - This is what dialogue pages are for. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 01:20, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Delete the other one too - No point in having either of them. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  01:26, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Delete .jpg - totally delete the .jpg because of its low quality. Maybe a weak keep on the PNG since it does slightly contribute. However, I think just a dialogue page would really substitute for the image and be less of a pain to read. 20px‎ Kudos 2 U Talk! Edit count! Contribs! 21:23, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Delete both, replace with dialogue text page - This image is really too big, for people with smaller resolutions to navigate, and a text dialogue page would do much better. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 00:48, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Whether the text is on the same page or a separate dialogue page isn't a big concern to me. I'll go with whatever others think is best. My main opinion though is that this image can and should be replaced with text. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 16:55, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Do we even need a dialogue page? There aren't really that many possible dialogue options, and if we're adding a dialogue page here why not do the same to characters such as Miss Schism or Aggie? ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  01:27, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

if you think we need dialogue pages for them, Be Bold and do it yourself under RS:G. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 01:39, November 8, 2009 (UTC)
I was trying to make the point that I don't think the Draynor tree guard needs a dialogue page. I don't actually think Miss Schism or Aggie need one. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  01:41, November 8, 2009 (UTC)
Removed wanted pages clutter. C.ChiamTalk 07:53, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Weak delete both, make dialogue page/section - Per most people here. The image is a little useless, IMHO. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 11:58, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Slight delete - I like these images, but I think dialogue pages are better. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 15:00, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Create a dialogue page. Black cavalier.png Zenihdrol Tribal top (blue).png 08:09, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

We don't even need a dialogue page. There are only three possible branches of conversation available, and the only one that actually leads anywhere is if you offer the guard stew. The conversations aren't humourous or anything... ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  20:28, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
I agree. Not even a dialogue page is necessary for this one. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 20:30, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Delete Not worth a dialogue page even, personally only things "worthy" of dialogue pages are things either note worthy or funny, or in terms of summoning familiars sometimes not easily found as not everyone has the level to talk to them. Chaos knight 04:14, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


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File:Runescapehd combat-multicombat.gif

[[File:Runescapehd combat-multicombat.gif|thumb|left]] I don't think this image is necessary. It just shows a bunch of players attacking. It is not necessary in order to understand the concept of "multi combat", which all its being used as. Also, its very very very disturbing.

Delete - As nom. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 02:00, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Replace - It's a bit helpful for the page, but the outfits need to be changed. Having that many distracting costumes takes away from the image. ~MuzTalk 02:03, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Replace - Another Tarikochi image, where all players look the same... I agree with Muzzy, the costumes take away from the image. A replacement where the costumes aren't as distracting and where all the characters don't look exactly the same would work well. I don't think just deleting it would be that great of an idea since it does help illustrate what multi combat is. In a shorter form: per Muzzy. 20px‎ Kudos 2 U Talk! Edit count! Contribs! 02:14, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Replace - I had dug this quotation from you Psycho from the Image Policy Follow-up: "Worst case scenario, you wind up with things like this unholy abomination of hell-spawned demons which echo forever through my darkest nightmares." I love that statement about this animation. Per Muzzy and Kudos. Ryan PM 02:29, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - NOOOOO!!! That image is cooooooool!!! --Nup(T) 04:20, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Is that sarcasm? I really can't tell. And if it is a VFD is not a good place for it <_< kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 04:24, November 9, 2009 (UTC)
No really, I think that image is cool. --Nup(T) 04:31, November 9, 2009 (UTC)
I think it is cool too >_> Chicken7 >talk 12:04, November 9, 2009 (UTC)
Save it then and upload it somewhere. Give Tarikochi credit though, she may summon forth her Bowman hat of Doom if you don't! Black cavalier.png Zenihdrol Tribal top (blue).png 08:11, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Replace - The million Tarikochis gets distracting. I thought it was about illegal multi-logging at first Lol Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 12:04, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Replace - Please. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 14:54, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Replace - It does kinda look like an unholy abomination ;) Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 19:53, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - I dunno. There's not much more that you could really show with a new animation. Keep it. --
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It would be better without the costumes. The costumes distract from the image. A new image without costumes would be good. ~MuzTalk 23:03, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Replace - It's a good example, but the pointless costumes is distracting. Black cavalier.png Zenihdrol Tribal top (blue).png 08:01, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Replace - Replace it with another modern RS pic. Youdead00 21:28, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Replace - I've always disliked Tarikochi's outfit. (I never liked the pith helmet outfit either, but that's gone.) ASATO MA SAD GAMAYA 21:30, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - By the way, if someone is looking for a place to get a new animation, Castle Wars would be the best option Wink Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 04:56, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Replace - Bad image, good comcept WinkManyman (talk) 07:31, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Replace - This is a novel idea, but perhaps the new animation should be taken during the wikifest that is due in T minus 10 hours. There is a clan-wars event which would be the perfect time to capture it. Unfortunately, the wikifest is on a 6am for me Lol Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 09:51, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Replace Identical costumes too distracting. Why is there even that many players in it? 3 or 4 players is all that's needed (of course 2-3 players attacking one.)Chaos knight 05:43, November 16, 2009 (UTC)


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File:Runescape holidays events halloween-2007 grimreaper-talkto.gif

Grim reaper kill.gif

I was originally just going to recapture this image in the new holiday event, but as I did it, I realized that it really is exceedingly boring. Death doesn't DO anything to make the player die... they just keel over. As such I don't believe this image shows anything useful, and would be better off deleted rater than replaced. My replacement image (if that is the outcome of the VfD is here. So should this image simply be deleted, replaced with my image, or kept and my image be uploaded under a different name?

Delete - as nom. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 03:03, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Soft keep - It kinda historical, and it only was used for the 2007 holiday, so don't see the harm in keeping this one. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 18:55, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't sure what you meant by keep (as in replace with my image or completely keep) so I clarified up top and provided a link with my image to compare. Would you clarify your position a bit? kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 19:16, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
To me, they are different images from different events, so I'd say keep the old one to be used in the old article and if you want to use your new image with the new event then go for it. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 18:44, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Keep both - Use the old one in the 2007 article and put the new one in the 2009 article. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  22:25, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - It doesn't even show anything. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 14:57, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Neutral, bordering on keep - All this image really shows is the player's HP, which I regard as "showing off". However it's as Tollerach said, it's a historical image. Keep this image for the 2007 event and just make a new one for the 2009 event. Black cavalier.png Zenihdrol Tribal top (blue).png 08:04, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Keep both per Tollerach. It's historical. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 01:46, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Keep both Original is better quality, and a common standard dress for animated pictures, but yours is somewhat more accurate for 09. tobylaneTalk 20:55, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

Eh, the standard dress is actually not really a good thing. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 20:57, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

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Audio Options / Graphics Options

See the previous discussion at: Talk:Graphics Options

These two articles have had a merge tag on them for a while and the discussion has gotten stale. I brought it here to get some more input, and to wrap it up.

Merge both pages with Options - per the discussion with Kytti, Az, and myself. What little information is on these separate articles can be merged into the main article for ease of reading and continuity. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 22:45, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Merge both - They all involve changing the gameplay experience, so I think they should both be covered in one article. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 00:03, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Very weak merge Keep seperate - They're two seperate buttons on the "options" tab. Audio and Graphics aren't really related, aside that they both affect gameplay experience... ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  00:46, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Merge May as well just be one article, like many articles these are better off as off as one, merge, slap a redirect for graphics/audio on it, and improve it than. Would barely be worth the one article really...all they are is "what you can change". Chaos knight 04:23, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


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Distractions and Diversions Locations

Distractions and Diversions locations has outlived its useful lifespan. It has info about the locations of 4 D&Ds, yet three of the four have identical info to what is already included on their respective page. The only area that has completely new info, the penguin hide and seek section, could easily be merged into Penguin Hide and Seek and thus making the entire page redundant. I feel that the penguin section should be merged into the penguin page, while the rest is just outright deleted. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 06:17, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Support - I was not sure whether to write "Delete" or "Merge" for my stance since both will occur, so I just wrote support. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 06:20, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose I find this to be one of the most useful pages for myself on this wiki. I often just need a quik reference list for myself, and I constantly tell others about this page specifically as the best list of places. The other articles are indeed good, but also longer and it requires more pages/tabs open to have those lists ready. Also, while on one hand the location pictures on the star page add to it somewhat, it makes the list of locations way too long to load and scroll through on slower comps. While the list on the locations page is nice and concise and to the point. We would be doing a dissservice to eliminate this page imo.--Degenret01 06:32, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

I can see why you would want a simplified page, but I would think that it would make much more sense to actually make a simplified version of each page instead of having a page of simplified guides that don't logically go together?? I don't think that I have ever felt the need to simultaniously hunt stars and go to the circus. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 06:39, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
Well, I agree the circus location isn't a big deal all that often Lol but you might be surprised at how often the trees spawn within minutes of a star falling, almost as if Jagex wants us to choose rather than do both. If we go with merge/delete than we should take all the star spot pics back out of the Star page. Hunters are looking for fast guides to get that tag.--Degenret01 07:32, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
It seems a bit balmy currently to keep a page with no new info simply because it prevents people from having to open multiple tabs. I tried to make the table so that it helps players who are new to stars since they are the ones that need help. While some of the in-game images are currently not as useful as I imagined, the ones that have landmarks would probably be what a new user concentrates on. If I ever do get around to completing (to a reasonable level) the star soloers guide, having a quick-reference guide would be really useful there. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 09:27, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - split up onto the individual pages kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 06:33, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Delete Aren't the locations on the locations already IN the articles anyways? I wouldn't be surprised if this got away with a speedy delete just for that reason. Anyways, IF they aren't just put them in there and there you go...useless article really no point in having this as it should just be included in the articles about the D&D's themselves. Chaos knight 07:11, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose Good for quick reference and a one stop shop for finding locations for penguins. [[File:OldAgility.gif]] Blazel 17:50, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Keep! - We needz it >.< Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 18:36, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - I find it very useful to have it all in one place. Why bother deleting it? That'll only make things harder. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  20:07, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

  • Keep- It's needed by many, the article makes it so much easier to find the penguins, and et'cetera.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 173.21.182.56 (talk).

Keep - Seriously, is this VfD a joke? That's the page I use the most!! Merge does make sense, but delete is ridiculous. Second-abyssal-whip.pngPatheticcockroachGuthan's platebody.png(Talk) 21:17, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Comment/proposal - I'd like to point out that this article can be useful but why is it an article? I mean really? "Locations of Altars" might be a useful article but there isn't an article for that. Why not? Even if it isn't in the article itself it can be found via map. I'm sure the articles contain locations for the D&D's and if they though perhaps add them? As for penguins there's weekly threads for them, right here being a prime example on forums. Chaos knight 02:21, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Some people like to use the wiki, not Runescape forums.--Degenret01 02:32, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
Fair enough but isn't it safe to say that the locations can just be put into penguins article? Deny it if you will but a whole article just on locations is kind of a waste of space you never see any other article based on locations of current stuff why is this special? Belongs in the D&D article or the articles of the particular D&D. Chaos knight 04:03, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
Because its a nice short tight list, not a super long article with tons of info I don't need yet must scroll past to get to what I want. Like Chrislee33 underneath says. I'd be willing to bet a small bit that hunter of stars and trees like this page, nonhunters don't realize how good it is.--Degenret01 05:27, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
Ahem? Hate bring this back but the list already IS on another page, which is, if you haven't checked it out, shorter than this page ironically. I fail to see how wiki needs an article about the locations as the only thing it adds is a list of stuff already here in a much longer fashion than the articles do. Chaos knight 06:34, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
Chaos Knight, may I remind you that links to something advertising a clan isn't allowed on the wiki? It's part of the reason why my locations videos can't be linked or embedded. Also, out of all the people who penguin hunt, only a small fraction know of our (Canada's) thread, let alone how to get there. Boomer12342 21:31, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
My apologizes, was literally the first thread I thought of, otherwise I'm fairly sure there's at least one thread on forums that lists locations, without advertising clans, which was one of the points of my post, the main thing updated in this is the penguins and there are threads that could be linked into an article listing them. Chaos knight 01:44, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - This is the page i use the most, especially for penguins as well as for stars and trees when i was doing them more. I already understand the mechanics of the game, just need the locations only while i'm playing them. Maybe split them, but don't delete or merge; i like this shorter location article. Chrislee33 04:54, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - It's useful, easy to use, and RS:G. Ryan PM 05:36, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

I can't figure out what Granularity has to do with it. It is not removing info, it is just moving it to another page. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 06:18, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
I said for Granularity for it to deserve its own article. Ryan PM 04:25, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Proposal - I am really surprised, I was expecting this to breeze through with little/no opposition. I am still struggling. I read through the reasons why people have opposed and the main reason people seem to oppose is that it looses the short version of the star hunting locations. A solution to this is to create a "Soloers star guide" which incorporates a the short star location as well as a short guide to some fast routes to take to check the star locations. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 06:18, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

As long as this page would get deleted I guess I could live with that, this article seems of little use even ignore all rules couldn't save it as it only restates stuff on other articles. Chaos knight 06:37, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
If you only "guess syou could live with that" then your taking it way too personal. Thats one of the signs you need a wikibreak.--Degenret01 07:28, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
Merely an expression, how do people take things so literal these days? Chaos knight 23:16, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
I think part of the objection people have is that they see "This page to be deleted" on the locations page and panic because it's so useful. I think it's worth stressing the merge of the weekly info into the main pages of each distraction.

Keep - It's an invaluable source of information, not just to us editors, but to visitors looking for help with D&D related queries. Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 06:47, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Keep or if you must Merge - Totaly essensial!  Woodcutting Benzeman talk contribsDragon hatchet.png  17:39, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Keep it at all costs, evan if you have to merge this article is to importent

Support It's massively useful, but no more so than the seperate pages. Put the history somewhere, maybe on template with noinclude. I only wish/want/will help with/suggest a seperate subpage for updating pens in w60. tobylaneTalk 18:53, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

A page for W60 locations CAN'T be updated frequently enough. There aren't people dedicated to updating current locations here on the wiki, and I'm sure not many, if any, will be willing to. But, if it is proposed and goes through, I'll bring it up with Team Penguin to see if some ranks who update our thread frequently will be willing to update it here as well. No promises. Boomer12342 21:51, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
Boomer that would be an awful lot of updating for just a few people. The cc and the maps provide plenty of imformation and I don't want us to impose to that great of a degree.--Degenret01 15:23, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - I use this page at least every week for both penguins and the evil tree (and sometimes even the circus). I suspect many other people do as well. It's very handy to have a one stop shop for all your D&D needs. This page is used far too often for us to just up and delete or merge. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 21:49, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Keep on condition Information on this page is very helpful for finding the penguins every week, as it is updated every week. It could do with a layout makeover in my opinion though. The main benefit of this page is that all the information is consolidated into one page rather than 4 or 5. Bowler225 23:44, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

If you're referring to the layout of the Penguin Table needing a makeover, let me know your suggestions on my talk page. (I'm the one that updates the table weekly and is now making the maps). Boomer12342 21:51, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Merge The only thing I find useful is the penguin locations so please don't delete but not merge.

Keep - This is the page i visit the most its really helpful to have it all in one place--Dmck2b 19:13, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Neutral I just update the penguins each week, and don't exactly care what page I put the info on. I know several players like to use the DDL page. If they were to be merged/deleted, may I suggest locations go to the top of their respective pages? Boomer12342 21:51, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - A huge help when doing weekly DnDs. Having it all in one place is very very helpful. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 22:11, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - I don't see why we would ever delete a page that is constantly updated and useful. Farming cape (t).png Lil cloud 9 Talk 14:35, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - This page is so useful, and an easy find, plus it's a quick reference for all the D&D stuff. I say keep it! Abyssal whip.png Browncoat101 泰丽 Clue scroll.png 17:14, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - This page is very helpful and used by many on a weekly basis. If you want you may move it to another location off the shortcut menu, but not delete. Why would we delete a page edited almost daily. - NHL_guyu11 - 17:48, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Merge - Make it a disambiguation to each of their respected articles. scoot4.pngscooties 22:11, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - changed duo to Evil yanks.

That already exists under the heading of Distractions and Diversions. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 02:04, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
Keep - I already bookmarked the page and I'm extremely lazy, so I don't want to change it. = ) lol jk. It's very helpful, so at the minimum, it should be merged. 20:52, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

Merge - I say move the different section to its own page and just delete the page after wards. Circus's just follow a 12 week loop so thats easy to determine. Trees and Meteors are random but can only grow/land in set places. Penguins is the only useful thing on the page.

About the penguin page however, I reckon a complete list of all possible roam ranges should be added and be a permanent feature on the page. That way a table of weekly locations can easily be edited and pictures easily referable. --Skulenotcule 21:13, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
You're implying to create a list of all possible penguin locations? I do not agree with that. That will not help anyone in anyway. Who cares exactly where a penguin can be in any number of weeks? All people care about is where a penguin is at the time of their hunting. You said: "That way a table of weekly locations can easily be edited and pictures easily referable." I update the table weekly, and it's currently as easy as it can get. I will continue to update it for some time to come probably, so the ease of editing the table for anyone else doesn't seem logical if it's already done. Boomer12342 00:44, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

KEEP - Per all FredeTalk 09:34, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

KEEP - This is the only page in the Wiki that I have bookmarked, as it's useful for all of the D&Ds. Merch Gwyar 12:16, November 25, 2009 (GMT)

Merge - But no way delete it. It's the most useful page on the wikia. --Doggybix42 13:39, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - I use this page all the time, as many others here also do. To those saying it is just restating what is on other pages, that is exactly what it should do, just in one place instead of many. If anything, we could get rid of the locations on the individual pages, possibly with a link here to trim down the redundancy. This is one of the most used pages on the Wiki, hence the link from the sidebar! - Batlrar 13:36, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

KEEP - Are you crazy? This is probably the most informative page I find in the Wiki! Also, it's got all the information in one place! I don't want to search through 20 pages on the forums when I could find it in just one. --
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Keep - This is very useful! Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 10:02, November 27, 2009 (UTC)


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File:RS hd combat triangle.png

Although it's a PNG file, the transparency is done badly and it's quite small, making it hard to see. It doesn't really add that much to the article. I think it should be replaced at least.

Delete - As |\|0m1|\|4+0r. </1337> ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  10:08, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Poor quality, and kinda pointless doubt it's needed even, even if a picture of the combat triangle is needed it should be bigger. Chaos knight 00:18, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Replace - Well we can always replace it. Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 00:19, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Replace - Yea, get Psycho to do it ^_^. --Nup(T) 05:13, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Replace/Keep - I think it makes the article look appealing. And it is helpful because it shows xis weak to y, etc. The quality and size maybe could be a little better. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 05:43, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Delete or Replace - The images looks bad, if we can do better, fine, if not, lets delete this one. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 21:53, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Replace - Per Nuparu. [[:File:Safespotaamoss.png|Here]]'s a possible image for the ranger. --Iiii I I I 22:17, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Replace - You know you want to. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 04:57, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Replace - Why not? Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 20:41, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


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Ardougne central sewers mine

All detail is currently listed in Ardougne Sewers. Hence there is no need for a seperate article. -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Blazel (talk).

  • Keep - Per RS:GRAN and noting that support for mining locations on this wiki is sorely lacking at the moment. If you want to see a much more effective guide to mining locations, Tip.it does IMHO a much better job (one that I do intend to fix... eventually). This article is at the moment merely a stub, and should be enhanced/expanded, as is precisely the nature of stubs. --Robert Horning 16:56, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Keep Per Robert. Though I loathe granularity at times due to it requiring two articles where one might be good enough it does apply here, could deal with a map though at least. Chaos knight 04:43, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - The article is a stub now, but it can (and probably should) be expanded with information which would not be suitable for the Ardougne Sewer article. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 04:45, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Weak keep - per Robert and others. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 04:55, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - It can easily be expanded to include info that isn't/shouldn't be included on the Ardougne sewers article. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 05:05, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - Per Others. --Slayer helmet.png Monstermas22 Slayer cape (t).png 22:35, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - But it should be expanded. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 18:01, November 24, 2009 (UTC)


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Ninja and File:Nnja route .jpg

I've never heard of the "Ninja" tactic before. It doesn't seem like a term or a tactic commonly used in Clan Wars at all, and I don't think it deserves its own article. Delete the image, too, since it's only used in the Ninja article.

Delete - As nominator. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  10:51, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - I have never heard of this before... FredeTalk 10:55, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - I've played CW quite a lot and I have never seen this strategy. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 21:56, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Ordinarily I'd suggest merging it to clan wars, but I've never heard of this tactic and it doesn't seem to be known by anyone beyond the creator of the article. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 21:58, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - I've have never ever seen ninjas in Clan Wars before. --Nup(T) 07:19, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Speedy D would have been ok, I'll kill it now.--Degenret01 07:36, November 30, 2009 (UTC)


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Volcano (Wilderness)

There is absolutely nothing to say about it except for the fact that it is an unused volcano. The fact that there is a ship doesn't mean crap, that's only the editor's speculation. A ship is a ship, a computer is a computer, a blade of grass is a blade of grass. It's just meh. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 07:41, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

Closed - A vfd is unnecessary. Its non-interactive scenery, as such it can be speedy deleted kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 07:43, December 6, 2009 (UTC)


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File:Leader icon.gif

kytti khat has told me that most users would intuitively be able to figure out that File:Leader icon.gif, and the userbox it is used for, {{Userbox/clan|leader}}, is meant for oligarchy-based clans. However, the fact that an image created by the wiki is being used on the userbox can confuse users (like myself and Slipknot64772) to think it is an actual rank. Since Template:Userbox/clan is meant for actual ranks in a clan, I think that the "Leader" rank should be removed.

  • Delete as nominator. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 20:41, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
  • Support - Its not a real image! As far as I can tell, leader is the same as owner, or possibly General. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 21:02, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete/Support - Per Psycho. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  21:13, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete - Per Telos. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 21:57, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete - Per Oli. Lol Chicken7 >talk 06:59, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete - Per everyone. Wink Black cavalier.png Zenihdrol Tribal top (blue).png 13:40, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete - Per everyone. (The purpose of it is confusing) Bowler225 02:24, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
  • Closed - I think this has run on long enough. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 02:26, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

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Taxi

Merge with follow Should just be merged with the page for follow, Not as common of a term like "noob" add a redirect for follow and add taxi to that article than just need to maybe add to player dictionary, plus being a very small article, I've personally seen longer stubs, It would help improve both.Chaos knight 04:32, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - If we have noob we should have this due to that's also like "Random following" Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 04:34, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Merge with follow - Not popular or notable enough for its own article kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 05:10, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Merge with Follow - Sounds like a good option. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 06:35, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Merge with Follow - Agreeing with everyone else. Slayer helmet.png Monstermas22 Slayer cape (t).png 07:10, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Keep and not merge - This is not just simply following a friend (although it does involve the use of the follow option), but rather a specific social situation/emergent gameplay concept that makes use of following other players. Back in the days of rune runners and before some of the more popular teleports happened, this used to be very common, with players openly announcing taxi services to one place in the game or another. Yeah, I'd call this a stub. There is actually some fansite material, blogs, and other commentary that can be added to this concept and significantly enhance this article as something fairly substantial. Not popular or notable? I guess you haven't been playing this game that much or for very long. I did note several taxi services that exist on the RSOF that still will take you to any spot in the game.... for a fee... and give you a "guided tour". Some are even operating as tourist agencies. Perhaps this is a bit obscure compared to some parts of this game, but it is a topic that clearly needs to be documented and written up about.... and not filed away as a footnote on the follow article. --Robert Horning 00:00, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Comment Lol at the "I haven't played long" thing, don't assume things you just make an [censor] out of yourself, I've played since classic, I guess that "wouldn't" be a long time even though hypocrisy is made obvious as I doubt you've played that long. FYI instead of going around assuming you know better than everyone why not try improving the article maybe it wouldn't need to be merged than? Radical concept I know, but hey what you gonna do? Chaos knight 03:31, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
while I may not agree with Robert's position on this matter, there's no need for that kind of confrontational tone. Please remember RS:UTP and try to keep things civil. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 03:33, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Merge with follow - Regardless of how common taxis are or have been, these articles are both very small and can easily be merged, unless somehow they are expanded dramatically. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 21:41, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Merge with Follow - It's a good subject to talk about, but doesn't deserve it's own article. Black cavalier.png Zenihdrol Tribal top (blue).png 21:37, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Keep/Merge - Per all. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 18:07, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - A page was just made for Trains, which is aonther variation on following. If there are no objections, then Trains should probably have the same happen to it as what happens to Taxi. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 06:14, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

It should be up here in fact it should be up here more due to being a variation, even if this article is kept train shouldn't really no point in having either 2 articles meaning the same thing plus if this one is deleted why have an article when a variation of which was deleted. Chaos knight 16:16, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

Merge with Follow - Otherwise new wikians will say "Cars in RuneScape?" Fishing.png NnK Oliver (600613) talk 16:53, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Merge with Follow - Obviously. They're the same thing, but Taxi is just a slang word for the other, Follow. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 01:23, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Closed - This has gone on for nearly a month, and the majority opinion is clearly to merge it with follow. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 01:27, December 14, 2009 (UTC)


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Template:Ghost

I think there is no point of this because this has the same information as [[Template:Ghostly robes|this]]. The other template has more infomation as well. —Manyman (talk) 01:44, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - As nom —Manyman (talk) 01:46, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Closed - The template is a duplicate so it can be speedy deleted. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 02:43, December 24, 2009 (UTC)


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E.P.S.

This page is extremely self-explanatory. And it serves no purpose to anybody. Prgmbeta 01:04, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

  • Delete - Per nominator Prgmbeta 01:04, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete - Page looks pointless to me. Fishing.png NnK Oliver (600613) talk 01:06, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete - I forgot all about my intentions to delete this. >_< ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  20:32, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete - Per nom FredeTalk 23:48, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete - The page itself says that Xp/Hr is a way better way of calculating experience. ItsAlexPan 00:45, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete - or perhaps merge what is relevant to Slang. I've never heard of this acronym as something commonly used by players, although the concept has been used in many articles. Still, this page doesn't really tell you anything of real concern, nor does it document any specific feature of the game. --Robert Horning 15:04, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete - Per Robert, Alex + nominator Black cavalier.png Zenihdrol Tribal top (blue).png 20:09, December 27, 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete - I am honestly questioning the stability of the author's mind when he or she was writing that article. Fruit.Smoothie 00:53, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

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RuneScape:No page

I don't see why we use this; you're supposed to delete the article, not redirect it to a page that tells you what the Special: deleted article page would. It says it's to remove wanted pages, but aren't we supposed to remove the redlinks from the pages instead of redirect them to this? White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 22:24, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

Edit - Robert Horning says that it's to prevent recreation of pages, but we have Special:ProtectedPages [[RuneScape:Blacklist]] Special:ProtectedTitles. Also, if this is deleted, then we should also delete [[:File:No image.png]].

Delete as nominator. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 22:29, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Per C Teng Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 22:26, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

Neutral, leaning to keep - I see what you mean, but I think its useful for pages which are deleted which have far far too many links to manually remove them all. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 22:47, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

Use a bot. We don't want blue links linking to no pages. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 22:48, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - No page has too many links to manually remove; after all, the links were manually added in the first place. Also, someone could make a bot to automatically remove the red links. Finally, if a page is really so important that there would be too many red links, why would it be deleted in the first place? --MarkGyver 17:48, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - The reason to hang onto a page like this is useful if there is a page that is consistently being recreated due to vandalism or a "popular" non-item article page that keeps being created by new users. I'm trying hard to think of what would be the case here on this wiki (Sailing if it is deleted or the Black Party Hat?), but it is something I've done on other wikis, where the page has been fully-protected as a re-direct and then sent to a page like this as a catch-all to keep those pages from being re-created again. As an administrator tool, this could have some value. Still, the above comments have value in terms of questioning the usefulness of a page like this. --Robert Horning 20:48, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Why not use Special:ProtectedPages? White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 20:50, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
I'm not entirely sure what you are implying here. You can't protect non-existent pages as they simply don't exist, but you can protect a page that is simply a re-direct. Fully protecting a page whose content is just a redirect keeps the page from being recreated. Are you implying that we simply create a redirect to Special:ProtectedPages? That wouldn't explain to a reader or end-user of our wiki to explain why a page is protected, where as this particular "No page" page can accomplish this minor and modest task. --Robert Horning 14:31, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
Hey, here is a compromise.... merge all of the links to this page with Non-existency? (or the other way around?) --Robert Horning 15:06, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
Wait, sorry, I gave you the wrong link. I can't find the right one, but [[RuneScape:Blacklist]] explains it.
Found it: Special:ProtectedTitles. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 18:23, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - Same reason we have [[:File:No image.png]]. Per Robert. Ryan PM 19:12, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

I actually think that should be deleted too. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 20:29, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - Per Robert. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 21:59, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - I think it is very humorous and is also informaing.  Rune scimitar.png Ppi802 Coins 1000.png  22:02, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

It's not really humourous, and not informing at all. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 22:48, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - Per Gaz, sometimes there are far too many links to manually remove, and there's no where to redirect, a good example I think would be Fake image. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 22:03, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Edit- I Just checked fake image and there aren't that many links. But I still think this page is useful. I couldn't find the Special:Deleted article page Teng was talking about, but if it does exist then we should delete this and use that instead. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 22:10, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
Special:ProtectedPages? White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 22:48, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
That doesn't give any information as to why a user which followed the link has ended up there. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 22:51, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
Oh, the deleted page thing I was talking about was, we delete the link to the nonexistant page, then, if someone tries to search it, they get, this page does not exist, here are some search terms; if they try to create the page, ProtectedPages blocks it. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 22:54, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
Basically, I mean users shouldn't be following links to nonexistant pages. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 22:55, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
Yes I agree that when possible a redirect should be used or theh links removed, but what happens when that's not possible? If we were redirected to that page, a user wouldn't know why they were redirected there. It'd be confusing to a new user. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 20:22, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
You also can't redirect to special pages. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 20:29, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
No, no redirects, I mean this:
  • We get rid of anything that links to RuneScape:No page
  • We delete page
No redirects, just, it would be like the page was deleted (which is what we should do). White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 22:19, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - Its awesome... Per gaz WinkManyman (talk) 22:05, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Keep, but completely rewrite - The tone is way too informal and the article doesn't explain enough about why the page might not exist, but I think this article is needed. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  23:35, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - I can't really say merge; my argument is that it is useful, showing that it once existed; I actually used it today when click a broken link -- sig1.png Spam me w/ lolcatsPottery statuette detail.png Is <insert name here> awesome? I don't know, let me check... 21:05, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Well, the point of my nomination is because you shouldn't click blue links to nonexistant pages. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 22:16, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Seems redundant to go to a page so that it can tell you that there isn't a page of that name. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 07:10, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Neutral - I want to see Robert's response to ProtectedTitles. But I am kind of leaning towards keep for No image.png because there are many images that link to it and removing them sometimes may make rereading hard because someone will go up and down the page saying "HUH WHERES THE IMAGE WERE TALKING ABOUT ZOMG" Cheers, 07:07, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

I do stand corrected on the point that there is now a tool to block pages from being re-created and not even have a link to any page at all. Keep in mind that I'm an ancient Wikimedia admin that sometimes gets stuck in a rut doing things a certain way because it simply worked and didn't pay attention to all of these new fangled tools like the ProtectedTitles page. In the past, this and many other "hacks" were done by admins because of limits of the software that now have explict tools to get the job done. Still, I think it is useful in some situations to explain to users why certain classes of articles have been deleted rather than simply leaving them as a blocked red-link. "Soft" redirects (where a page points to external content and not much else) is one of those situations, as would commonly searched terms. All I was trying to point out is that there might be a reason to keep a page like this, even if other tools are available that may do the job as well. To me, a red-link says we can create an article on the topic. What would be sweet is if somehow MediaWiki software converted everything on the Protected Titles page to a "black-link"... i.e. displayed the "link" as if it didn't even exist in the first place. That, however, isn't something that is currently a part of the software and what is a limitation at the moment. --Robert Horning 09:57, December 6, 2009 (UTC)
Then why don't we just delete all the blocked redlinks? White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 17:43, December 6, 2009 (UTC)
I hope this was just an attempt to be absurd to demonstrate an objection to this idea. There are certainly links that should remain as redlinks, for example "Poop" is one of those that does not deserve any kind of redirect and should remain as the protected red-link that it is. Similar other words far more offensive fit in this realm as well. Presuming that Sailing is deleted, I would suggest that it be redirected to a page like the one under discussion and protected from editing. That is the kind of link that should be protected. I am suggested that somebody who types in [[Poop]] into their user talk page or something that won't be instantly deleted on the spot, that the red-link shouldn't even show up. That is my wish, but something that won't happen any time soon due to limits with the MediaWiki software. There is a role for both kind of link protection methods that would be useful to the greater Runescape community. --Robert Horning 14:53, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - This page is necessary, it's as Robert said, pages which keep getting re-created can just be redirected to this page instead to prevent it's recreation. Black cavalier.png Zenihdrol Tribal top (blue).png 13:39, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - I laughed when I read this, but since it does serve a legitimate purpose, it should be kept, although, maybe a more serious rewrite should be in store. Honestly... " Or maybe you just got lost. Or someone wanted you to get lost. The point is, you're not there, you're here. And there's nothing here." I don't know, that part is a bit unnecessary Bowler225 02:28, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - The article was fine here, but here it was completely rewritten by Psycho Robot. Why? I'm going to revert to the earlier version for now, unless there is strong opposition. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  19:19, December 9, 2009 (UTC)


Keep, but change - Just change the way it is...Youdead00 00:41, December 24, 2009 (UTC)


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Template:Quest spoiler

This seems to go completely against the logic behind the creation of the spoilers policy. I am not sure what else to say. I haven't added this to the template since I am not fully sure how to add it without making it appear in the template.

Delete - As nominator. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 07:05, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Keep, Sorta - It should be removed from quest guides, because it's pretty obvious that they are guides. But I believe it should be kept on things like the Cryptic Clue Fest, because there are probably quite a few not aware of our spoiler policy, and we don't want to accidentally ruin events like these for people. Sidenote - I added the template. To do so next time, use <noinclude>{{vfd}}</noinclude> to add the vfd template. UTNRGLBucket detail.pngrwojy 07:12, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Strong keep - This template should have only been used in non-quest articles, and for spoilers from sources other than the actual game. For example, from the book Betrayal of Falador.

It should be removed from quest guides, because it's pretty obvious that they are guides.
The spoiler statement in quest guides was already there in Template:Quest details, and since this template basically said the same thing, I decided to transclude this template in that template as well.
This seems to go completely against the logic behind the creation of the spoilers policy.
How would people know about the policy if there are unaware of it? At least this template points to the spoiler policy. The policy, IMO, was created to say that the wiki is not responsible if we spoil anything for the reader.   az talk   10:50, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
I am not sure if ignorance is a good reason. Anyway, is it possible to create a dismiss button which is placed on the spoiler template (like the dismiss button on the sitenotice), and once it is dismissed it does not reoccur again?? Hopefully everyone should be aware of the spoiler policy this way, yet there will not be a distracting yellow message on every page. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 05:36, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
Support Yanks' idea, if possible - I find it very annoying to have this appear in all the quest guides, etc. A dismiss option would be lovely. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  18:32, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Delete - A template mentioning a spoiler is not needed. This particular template is ugly and I was saddened when I saw it on The Temple at Senntisten article. Maybe put a little text in italics at the top or something, but this is really not needed. Black cavalier.png Zenihdrol Tribal top (blue).png 13:42, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Delete It is possibly arguable we don't need any spoiler warning on any page, I can not imagine anyone reading an article and NOT expecting all of the information we have. Why else are they here? At the very least it should certainly be taken off quest guides.--Degenret01 13:48, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Keep Quest guides, well, OBVIOUSLY, they will be spoilers. Other articles that people may not expect, i.e. ones with a background to it in the middle of an article, and I have seen quite a few, SHOULD have this appended to it. And since when does the "appeal" of a template as long as it makes sense to a viewer even come into play? This template is quite clear and visible. Bowler225 02:22, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

Delete for Quests, Keep for other stuff - For quests it would be obvious to get spoilers, but for some things I think not - Like Betrayal at Falador. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 17:42, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

Delete, but put spoiler warning on main page- So newcomers to the wiki can know that it does contain spoilers. Dragon scimitar old.pngMjs961Guthix's Book of Balance.png 20:15, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - I HIGHLY, HIGHLY doubt that every single user of the RuneScape Wiki reads every single one of our policies. This includes the spoiler policy. Would you rather have a template that says "READ OUR POLICIES BEFORE READING THE OUR ARTICLES" all over each and every article? I don't think you would. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 01:36, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Delete As most people are most likely using quest pages for guides and/or to view rewards couldn't it easily be said that they know there are going to be spoilers? Chaos knight 03:11, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Keep --Muhahaa 11:03, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

KEEP - What's the point in deleting this? --Fruit.Smoothie 20:24, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - But delete from quest articles. If somebody goes to Duradel to see what monsters he assigns they may not want to know that he dies in While Guthix Sleeps. --Armadyl symbol.png Nightgunner Talk Illuminated Book of Law.png 18:25, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Comment O_o There should've been a spoiler template above that comment. Lol Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 12:16, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Keep per all. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 17:09, January 1, 2010 (UTC)


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