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RobbotRS

Hey all on the wiki, RobbotRS or just Robbot here. I've decided to apply for the events team simply because I want to help give it a full overhaul. It's been quite obvious from the previous months that the events team is a little dead right now. I'm wanting to completely change that. I've seen comments about throwing more people at the problem to help fix it which has obviously shown no results. I'm just wanting to help transform the events team into it's former glory. To make it the wiki's equivalent of the Pink Skirts and keep a consistent schedule of events with people on the team willing to run them.

I've had a talk with Haidro about this and have already come up with plans about overhauling the events team as a whole, such as setting up a consistent schedule and making sure people are available for events that people are wanting and getting a large audience to enjoy said events whether it be a bossing mass or enjoyable fun minigames. I think I qualify for being knowledgeable on many RS things with events concerned and I'm on runescape most of the day and always available at my PC with regards to availability.

Thanks for reading and if you have any comments/concerns feel free to ask!

Hazelmere's signet ring.pngRobbotRSOrlando Smith's hat.png 10:38, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Discussion

Support - Robbot has talked to me about this not just recently but also last year in August. It's clear there's something not working with the ET, let's see if Robbot can revive it. HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 10:59, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Support - ET is in desperate need of help. Seers headband 2 chathead.png Elessar2 (talk) 16:04, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Support - Good luck. Meeeeerds msg 20:27, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Questions / Concerns / Thoughts - Hello! It's always great to see people interested in the events team. I have a couple questions/thoughts, an:

1. I'd like to know what changes you'd like to make, specifically? Is the Events Team not the wiki's equivalent of the Pink Skirts? When we do have a schedule (When team members have motivation, if I'm being honest) it is consistent at the very least for a few months. That year-round part is where we seem to struggle. How would you "make sure people available for events... and getting a large audience to enjoy said events?"

2. Personally I have suggested at least 1 event/3 month mandatory, but in all fairness, I'm breaking that (very loose requirement) right now as well. There have been months where I've hosted 50% of the events. There have been months I've hosted 10%. My thoughts are that throwing manpower at an issue of motivation won't fix it--and I've expressed that before. Clearly it's not just one person; it's systemic. Everyone seems to get drained after hosting events for a while; part of the issue is that everything feels like pulling teeth:

- Want to add the event to the calendar? You have to ask someone higher up and then wait, and hope they send the events off to jagex sometime soon. The admins are people, too, so they occasionally see and ping and forget.

- Want to advertise on twitter? Same story, you have to ask someone to.

- Want to advertise on the wiki front page? There was some issue with that as well, I can't remember, but there's some reason nobody ever bothers and it's not automatic.

- Want to advertise on reddit? Don't (It mostly doesn't work).

- Want to advertise on the RS forums? Why?

- Events Team members can't even directly ping people who have signed up for event notifications in the discord without asking for help.

I've suggested streaming to garner attention as well, since we're really quite limited in our avenues of direct advertisement, but that was given a "meh" response IIRC. How would you solve the advertisement problem?

I see you're interested in hosting minigames. I've pushed for minigames in the past when the consensus was just to do PVM, because attendees get bored of the monotony, however, hosting minigames can be a pain. For example: I loved Trouble Brewing once a month waaay back when because you could get "The Stuff," but now we have a centralized minigame currency system, and it can be hellaciously frustrating to feel like you're pulling teeth trying to get people to attend. Those that do attend tend to really, really enjoy themselves, but an environment where experimenting risks not being able to host another event for a week minimum discourages trying out new things. No experimentation = falling into a rut = stagnation. Hosting an event for a minigame while it's on rotation is pointless, so you're forced to pick something off-rotation. It's more frustrating because you can randomly have an assload of people attend a minigame event for no comprehensible reason.

PVP events, I've noticed, will have MASSIVE attendance one month and then 0 the next. What ideas do you have to get consistent attendance?

4. The ET used to have several (if not all, in some cases) members co-host events and things were a lot smoother when you have a main host running things while someone else helps corral the people while you're answering PMs, responding to the same 3 questions in chat over and over and over because people won't read the event page. Sure, you can overhaul the team, but you can't really solve issues like this one so easily. There just won't always be two hosts to attend.

I love hosting events. It feels great when a player requests an event and they're so happy to see it a month later--This happens more often than you think, and makes so much of the hassle worth it x100. It also tells me there's definitely a willing audience, but we're just unable to capture something. The ET is definitely not beyond fixing, and perhaps you have that "something," and I'm interested in hearing your thoughts.

King Kolton9 (9 more options)  Choose OptionUser Page King Kolton9 (Level: 4232)Talk to King Kolton9Edit Count King Kolton9Chat at IRCMy Pages My SandboxMy Contributions 20:49, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Response - Thanks for taking the time to ask the quite important questions is an overhaul is the purpose for my application. I'll try to answer them all in order as to not confuse anything.
1 - Changes that i'd specifically like to make would be the activity of events, this ties to a later question, however I think it is an important change. As you've said, a loose requirement of a minimum of 1 event every 3 months is quite a large gap, eventually i'd like to see more events on a per month basis and getting people to do that will require a change in activity. I suggest that we start to ramp up activity based on which people are available to eventually get up to around 4 events per month or more to start to get the events team more traction in the Official Runescape Events side of the game (So that it is more in line with the Pink Skirts). If at first I have to host all of the events to release some of the burn previous members may have with hosting them, then I am fully down to commit to that.


2 - In terms of advertisement and making sure an audience participates, I'd like to hopefully gather some data from our users over time on what events they prefer and usually attend so that we can get a look at which events are best to host frequently. This should not however mean that only those events are hosted as we do like to include events that all people will like and attend. I'm now going to go down the list of specific advertisements and suggest ways to either make them work (Now or better) or why they won't work.


Lets start with the easy ones.
RS Forums - This one from hosting general public events has never seemed to work all too well.
Reddit - Same example as the RS Forums, Most people won't specifically go there to look for events so why would they see ours?
Discord - What's being described to me seems to be a discord permissions issue and a direct result of archiving the Events channel. My solution would be to bring back an events announcement channel that give's us permission to ping those who opt in for event notifications. Make sure that the post is formatted and release the post before the event happens as to inform everyone of that days event.
Front Page - I specifically don't know the reason for not being able to with this, however i'd like to figure it out and if there's a viable reason for not being able to then that's the end of it. If if is possible though I'd hope that we could have a small portion on the front page to change and advertise the events.
Twitter - To my understanding access of the twitter can be given via TweetDeck. Hopefully with some community consensus a dedicated ET member will be given access to post the events on the day to remove this hierarchy problem, or perhaps an official Events Team Twitter could be created.
The Calendar - Ideally something similar to the improvements on twitter would be applied but considering this would require contact between an ET member and I'm presuming Jmod or staff at Jagex these contacts would have to be set up to their liking. However if this cannot be achieved then sending a weekly rota of all events to be added to the calendar some time before they actually happen will suffice. This will allow for human error of people being busy.


I think I've talked a little about the attendance issue earlier but hosting events that the people are interested in is my main solution. We can't force people to attend events if they're not wanting to. In my eyes PvM events have always acquired a larger gathering than minigames, case in point being the previous Mod Lee's Sunday Mass'. Making sure we know what the people are wanting and reflecting the regularity of hosting these events is an important part of keeping people interested.
Co-Hosting is also an important part to help reduce the large amount of questions and other requests people are throwing at you. However we also cannot force the ET to host an event they don't want to. With the changes and hopeful revival of the ET I hope that this will change and that we'll see regular co hosts from our members.


Overall I hope that this has answered most if not all of your questions and I hope that this helps show that I do have a plan for the team if my application were to be accepted.Hazelmere's signet ring.pngRobbotRSOrlando Smith's hat.png 06:33, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Personally I don't think we need to both advertising on Reddit and Forums nowadays. Discord permissions is a slight annoyance, as it's not possible to make the notifs-events role only mentionable for ET members and above, although there are usually enough admins online at any time to help. Front page I see no reason we can't have our own space again (we used to, on the old wiki, however I think literally have just not done enough events here to warrant one being made). As for Twitter, I am one of the active tweeters for @RSWiki, and thus am always happy to help tweet out for events (can also schedule in advance). I'm not sure how well an individual twitter just for ET would work. Lastly, I see no reason that one of the ET members can't email Jagex comms themselves tbh - not really sure why we've always relied on Jayden to do so. Star Talk ayy lmao ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 01:52, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
Actually, Discord added a new permissions slider that allows you to grant individual roles the ability to ping any role. I don't think we need an individual ET twitter, either TBH. Having someone regularly (Once a week?) mention wiki events on the wiki twitter would be fantastic.King Kolton9 (9 more options)  Choose OptionUser Page King Kolton9 (Level: 4232)Talk to King Kolton9Edit Count King Kolton9Chat at IRCMy Pages My SandboxMy Contributions 04:35, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
I think everyone's on pretty close to the same page here, which is good. Just a couple points from my experience: even when you do host events that people want to attend, they get fatigued from going to them too much, but if you wait 2 months, people will jump in. I belive I've suggested some sort of dedicated space for experimental stuff or things we think might be less popular before. E.g., Saturday for successful events and Sunday for minigames, or having minigame monday. Something. Anything. "I suggest that we start to ramp up activity based on which people are available to eventually get up to around 4 events per month or more to start to get the events team more traction in the Official Runescape Events side of the game (So that it is more in line with the Pink Skirts)" Aye, we used to do at least that much consistently. That ends my rambling, hope something valuable was in thereKing Kolton9 (9 more options)  Choose OptionUser Page King Kolton9 (Level: 4232)Talk to King Kolton9Edit Count King Kolton9Chat at IRCMy Pages My SandboxMy Contributions 04:35, 11 March 2020 (UTC).

Support - you seem eager, would nice for an overhaul and revived motivation. i also agree with everything kolton said above. imo, I think (at least) biweekly events would be good, as weekly does require a lot of commitment Star Talk ayy lmao ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 01:52, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the support. The reason I suggested more events in a month such as a couple a week would be to get the wheels rolling again with the event team. I'd hopefully like to change it to be this way to show our enthusiasm for hosting events like this. If need be i'd be more than happy to host all of these starting events to show that the events team is back up and running. I'd obviously like to go over this in further detail with all event team members and try to sort out a revival. Hazelmere's signet ring.pngRobbotRSOrlando Smith's hat.png 14:14, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Closed - RobbotRS will join the Events Team. HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 02:09, 15 March 2020 (UTC)