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Flaysian (IGN:Flaysian)

I'm eternally active in both the FC (on the rare occasion that there is conversation) and the CC, and I would love to be able to play a bigger part in the clan. I'm responsible and level-headed, and I would strive to do nothing but good and help both chats grow. I'd also be eager to take our Clan Citadel onto new levels, and I would be completely willing to devote any amount of time and effort to do so, to make it the best it can be. I've been a resident of the Friends Chat for over a year and a half now, and I've been a loyal member of the clan since the day it was created. I'm also a very active participant in discussion regarding the clan, and I'm constantly seeking new ways to improve any and every aspect of it. I happily give help to anyone that asks for it, which includes abandoning what I'm doing at any time to recruit prospective members, and I get on well with most, if not all of the clan's members. I am trustworthy, and wholeheartedly committed to the wiki and the clan, but above all, I would use the rank well and for the benefit of both.

Ronan Talk 21:38, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - You say that you want to take the citadel to new levels. You do realize that you won't be able to do anything with a sergeant rank that you can't already do with corporal, right? --LiquidTalk 21:41, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

I do realise that, yes. I meant to take it on by encouraging and helping new (or just slightly reluctant) members to contribute more and make it flourish as opposed to direct management. Ronan Talk 21:45, August 15, 2011 (UTC)
- To fully clear that up, I also of course will make it my responsibility to reach the cap every week myself. ^_^ Ronan Talk 11:48, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Seems like a fun, active, and long-standing member of the clan (even though he is a noob!)--Cheers, Off-hand ascension crossbow.pngYodaAscension crossbow.png 21:48, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Nou Angry Ronan Talk 21:52, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Is near-constantly in the chat and has shown maturity and level-headedness in debates/conflict. Also shows a concern for helping the clan grow via answering any questions posed by other clan members, and encouraging others to work towards a better clan citadel. Red partyhat detail.png Pen Draig Talk King Black Dragon.png 02:00, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Well what can I say? Flaysian is one of the most helpfull and attentive people I have ever met. Allthough we have had a few minor dissagreements in the CC recently, he has done nothing but help and be nice to me scince I joined the wiki team. Really good guy :) Slayer-icon.png The Mess Effect Dragonfire shield.png 11:41, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Calm, cool-headed guy. I saw some of the debateful arguments last night between both this candidate and Andrew, although at all times, it NEVER turned into any sort of hateful argument. This is probably the most important aspect of being a rank. RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 13:38, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Flaysian is a nice guy, who is more than happy to help people. He has been in the clan for a long time, is very active and always fun to talk with. Ball of wool.pngTobias686Ball of wool.png 15:47, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Flaysian is a cool guy who did anything to get me into the clan! He welcomes people and talks with a polite attitude and he should be rewarded for his hard work! Ring of kinship.png Ctrl and J Magic-icon.png 16:08, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Best choice for a rank right now, imo. --クールネシトーク 03:32, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Nice guy, very active, great candidate in general. Mining cape.png The Last Pun Talk Aberrant Spectre Champion.png 19:10, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Can I say per all? I always see him in the chat, and he's always talking. Great candidate!  Golden warpriest of Zamorak helm.png Wingcap Firemaking master cape.png 19:18, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Support - I support I see him in the chat all the time and he has helped many times, keep up the good work. Aaron1615 19:22, August 18, 2011 (UTC) Aaron1615

Support - Trustworther, friendly, aflaysian attititude. --Henneyj 00:02, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Support - You contribute a lot to discussion, and are very helpful. Clearly a great choice for a rank. I think you have a very bright future. Firemaking cape.pngQwert Yuiop8 talk Firemaking-icon.png 17:34, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - Flaysian will be given the sergeant rank. --LiquidTalk 03:59, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

The Mess effect (IGN: Mess Effect)

Mess is just one of those users that you can't help but like. Constantly active, and constantly chatty, he's always one of the first to volunteer to go meet new members. While he's new to the wiki, he certainly isn't to the chat, as he's been participating in it since March of '09, and it's clear that his enthusiasm hasn't waned in the slightest since then. He's one of our most alert users, often on the lookout for trolls, and brings much to conversation by way of general tidbits, trivia and guidance. He has proven himself to be responsible, patient and trustworthy, and I cannot think of a more suitable candidate. Ronan Talk 11:30, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Support - I was unsure at first, but now I like Mess. He's responsible, he knows RS well, and he gets along with others.--Cheers, Off-hand ascension crossbow.pngYodaAscension crossbow.png 13:26, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Support - This guy is probably the mirror of me in this clan chat... Back in early 2010, all we did was fight and argue against each other, we had a huge hatred for each other, we would get each other kicked eventually... But since then, all he has done is improved. The nasty comments are gone, the temper is gone, and the activity in the game is there. Perfect candidate RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 13:43, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Support - All I can say is that he's very friendly. =D --クールネシトーク 03:31, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Mess is a good guy who know alot about RuneScape, he would be able to do good things for the wiki cc. He is longtime loyal wikian, who I think deserve the rank. Ball of wool.pngTobias686Ball of wool.png 19:12, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Doesn't curse often, good to new users, cool guy to talk to, all around mmmkay --Lashazior 19:20, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Support - I think he's almost in the same timezone as me so it would be better to have another recruiter. Although I don't like his attitude towards me sometimes >_> Santa hat.png Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 01:33, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

FYI- We now have about 20 new recruiters. This is no longer a problem at all. Firemaking cape.pngQwert Yuiop8 talk Firemaking-icon.png 17:06, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
It is still an issue, there have been multiple instances since the Corporal rank came into being where a potential recruit has had to wait hours before someone was free. However, due to Mess already being a Corp, the point is indeed irrelevant. Red partyhat detail.png Pen Draig Talk King Black Dragon.png 23:08, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Support - He has everything we look for in a rank. Good choice all around. Firemaking cape.pngQwert Yuiop8 talk Firemaking-icon.png 17:34, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Support - ive seen him on the chat dozens of times, he is a good choice for a rank up. Aaron1615 18:34, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous accounts are not entitled to vote. Ronan Talk 19:55, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
Not an IP.Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 20:03, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Support - He is always in chat, talking and stuff, etc.  Golden warpriest of Zamorak helm.png Wingcap Firemaking master cape.png 21:09, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - Mess Effect will be given the sergeant rank. --LiquidTalk 01:42, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Scimitar77 (IGN: Jesus Nails)

Yoda is someone we can trust to stay active and be fair in the chats. He's been part of the community for more than two years now, is a member of the events team, and makes an effort to help out in whatever way he can. Giving him a higher rank in the chat will make a better place to be in. ʞooɔ 03:21, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Cook summed it up for me, been here for ages, well known, can be easily trusted, and obviously has past positive use with tools of any form with the example of the events team RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 13:33, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Strong Support - Yoda deserves a rank in the chat more than anyone else. Trustworthy, fair, active and competent, and not to mention a long-term member of the CC, he'd use the rank only with the interests of the wiki and the clan at heart. Ronan Talk 14:02, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Support - And I think he only missed out last time because some noob that ended up not needing it got it instead. Real Mad 19:39, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Strong Support - Per Flaysian. Ball of wool.pngTobias686Ball of wool.png 19:14, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Support - He's not a dick to users like I am but he's around as much as I am, if not more. --Lashazior 19:20, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Per nom.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Powers38 (talk) on 02:33, August 19, 2011.

Support - Despite the many times he's (barely) failed RFRs I still find him a good candidate. Korasi's sword.png Archmage Elune  TalkHS Void knight deflector.png fetus is my son and I love him. 02:23, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Strong Support - He's been in the cc longer than anyone. He knows the rules. He has been robbed of a rank twice already. He is the best candidate there is. Firemaking cape.pngQwert Yuiop8 talk Firemaking-icon.png 17:34, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - Yoda will be made a sergeant. HaloTalk 11:38, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Nick Advent (IGN: Nick Advent)

Nick is the perfect candidate for a rank. He is polite, funny, friendly, knows the game well, and is willing to go out of his way to help others. In addition, he is very active and is always around at peak times. I believe he will use a rank only for the good of the clan.--Cheers, Off-hand ascension crossbow.pngYodaAscension crossbow.png 23:30, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Nick is a cool dude, and I think it'd be nice to see him given a rank. All of the above is really true, he's been on my friends list forever. Adam SavageTalk 00:47, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Smart, trusted, will use the tools correctly. RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 01:46, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Korasi's sword.png Archmage Elune  TalkHS Void knight deflector.png fetus is my son and I love him. 02:29, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Strong Support - As per above. One of the friendliest players that I have encountered, is consistently on during common playing times, and knows a lot about the game to answer questions/assist/etc. Red partyhat detail.png Pen Draig Talk King Black Dragon.png 04:35, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Great, trustworthy guy. Ronan Talk 09:24, August 19, 2011 (UTC) Support - Nick is just the right mix of being part of conversation, and just observing. But part of that is that he plays a fair amount, and I don't believe I have ever seen him troll or break any rules. Firemaking cape.pngQwert Yuiop8 talk Firemaking-icon.png 17:34, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - Nick Advent will be given the sergeant rank. --LiquidTalk 02:20, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Rhys Jones (IGN: Warthog)

After a few days of sitting back, questioning whether or not I feel I should nominate myself for this, I've fancied a roll of the dice, despite what I think may be low odds, at trying for a position in the clan chat for a rank. I'm a very community focused player, hanging around the clan chat 99.5% of the time when I'm online, being there to answer questions, involve myself in banter, and just generally trying to give the wiki a good name. I know in the past, as previously stated on my RfET, that I have a very controversial past with a few select names involved in the community. The me that you knew 1 year ago, would of made stupid mistakes by taking an argument, and gradually continuing and continuing until I was either kicked or had felt I won... Not any more. The me that you see today, is a more mature, brain first person, keeping those who I've had these kind of issues with under control via my ingame ignore list. Recently, I had passed my RfET, which allowed both me and Yoda to attempt to breathe some life into what was once a flourishing events team. It was only after the recent Bandos event that had taken place, is what gave me the feeling that I had fallen in a lot better with the community with many participants giving their thanks for the event. I also believe just generally in the clan chat, I've managed to make friends with plenty of people that I didn't really speak to in the past, and I know that they have a decent amount of respect for me through chatting and joking about. I've for one, definitely changed for the better, and I just feel that I'm prepared to take up this task. RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 02:16, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Meh - After the posts you posted on mine, and making all the above sound way too nostalgic, I still have to support your chat rank. Adam SavageTalk 02:26, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Slight Support - I notice that you seem to have changed a lot. You don't exactly start arguments anymore or over small things, but try not to be a total ass when someone doesn't seem to see the same point of view as you. (Ie Halo) Santa hat.png Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 02:42, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Hence why I have had him ignore listed for almost a week. Pointless arguments over pointless things. RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 02:49, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Even though he's had issues in the past, I very much believe that Rhys is trying to change how he acts in the clan, and, with time, he'll get along (at least as much as any of us get along :P)--Cheers, Off-hand ascension crossbow.pngYodaAscension crossbow.png 03:21, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Warthog certainly has some anger issues occasionally, no one's trying to deny that. But he doesn't let that anger affect other people, he tends to keep it inwards. Hence I feel fine with making him a sergeant. HaloTalk 03:43, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Per all of the above, Rhys is active, fair, and eager to help with the community. I'd trust him with the rank more than anyone. Ronan Talk 09:22, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Support - When I have spoken to you, you have always seemed to be mature and level headed. I think these are important traits to have if a player requests a rank. I think you will use the powers wisely and fairly! Roll Wae It 12:04, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Does he swear a lot? Yes. Can he be very annoying? Yes. But has he changed for the better? Yes. People look up to Warthog, and he knows his stuff. He'd make a great rank. Also I believe that ET members should be ranked anyways. Firemaking cape.pngQwert Yuiop8 talk Firemaking-icon.png 17:34, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Support - I have seen how helpful you are in chat. You're also very good at making decisions. It leads me to conclude that you will work hard as a rank in the clan chat. --クールネシトーク 18:16, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Slight oppose - Wart is in the know about almost all aspects of RS, but unfortunately his tendancy to rage and the frequent swearing is a bit much for me. However, I feel if he were to lose this edge, I think he would be perfect for a rank. Slayer-icon.png The Mess Effect Dragonfire shield.png 21:19, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Support - I see people talking of past experiences with Rhys, but I can't see why they're complianing. Rhys would make a great rank, and him abusing the title/abilities seems out of the question to me.  Golden warpriest of Zamorak helm.png Wingcap Firemaking master cape.png 13:28, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - Warthog will be given sergeant rank. HaloTalk 19:52, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Roll Wae It (IGN: Roll Wae It)

I'm requesting a rank in order to support the CC. I am often online when there are only one or two ranks available and if a troll comes into the CC, we often can't do anything if there are no ranked players or if they can't be contacted. I'm very active in the chat and I feel that I deal with any disagreements in a fair manner. I'm quite level-headed and I think that I generally make good contributions to the chat. Although I'm not particularly active on the wiki, I'm ingame most of the time so I think that I could help the community by being able to moderate the chat and remove trolls when they arrive. Roll Wae It 22:20, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Support - He doesn't speak much, but he is always there, lurking, everytime i check the clan chat for a person I want to speak to. His activity is there and I feel the trust is too RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 13:52, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - I think you're too new to the wiki, and that the other candidates would be a better choice for now. Ball of wool.pngTobias686Ball of wool.png 19:10, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Whilst his edit count is low, he has been an active member of the chat for quite some time now (probably over six months). That doesnt completely nullify your reasons, of course, but wanted to clarify he's not a 'just come out of nowhere' candidate. --Henneyj 00:07, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
Wiki activity has very little to do with clan chat rank. As long as you know the rules, it's fine. HaloTalk 03:37, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Roll has always been friendly and a positive force in the chat (at least for the month or so that I've been active in it). Although he is usually reserved, I believe that he would be fair and very capable of moderating the chat to remove any issues that rise to the surface. In addition, he is almost always in-game which would be helpful for when other ranks are away or preoccupied. Red partyhat detail.png Pen Draig Talk King Black Dragon.png 22:15, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Per Warthog. HaloTalk 12:57, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - I don't think you have been around long enough, or have established yourself enough to hold a rank yet. I just can't see you as a role model in the cc yet. Firemaking cape.pngQwert Yuiop8 talk Firemaking-icon.png 17:34, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Notice of intent - Nomination deadline is extended for one week until August 29, 2011. --LiquidTalk 03:58, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - Roll shall be given sergeant. The opposes are largely ungrounded in fact, and as other users have pointed out, his activity is high and he shows an understanding of the rules, which makes him an excellent choice. HaloTalk 16:05, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Wingcap (IGN:Wingcap)

I'm requesting a rank for the CC for a few reasons; I'm always active when online (and play RS quite a bit at that), I like to chat and talk to other members, I can recruit help people and moderate the chat, and I am readily available should players have any queries. I am also already a corporal in the chat. I think I'd make a great addition to the ranks, but I'll leave it up to everyone else to be the judge of that, and not be disheartened if I don't succeed at this.

 Golden warpriest of Zamorak helm.png Wingcap Firemaking master cape.png 20:25, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Overall exceptional candidate, in whom complete trust can be exerted. Ronan Talk 21:10, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Support - I always see you in chat, blabbering away... --クールネシトーク 02:53, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Support - I had to sit here for a while thinking about this when you told me that you haven't been around for long... But at the end of the day, my decision maker is maturity and whether or not you're going to abuse your rank or tools. I believe that you'll use them for the good of the wiki. RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 14:31, August 20, 2011 (UTCY

Support - Although he is new the the cc, he lives without fear. He already knows all the rules, and he has a level head. He even told me to shut up yesterday. That's something I find very needed in a rank. You have to be able to tell someone to stop no matter if they are a guest, recruit, sargent, or admin. He's going to do a great job. Firemaking cape.pngQwert Yuiop8 talk Firemaking-icon.png 14:51, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Notice of intent - There has not been much discussion on this RfR. To give the community more time, I will extend this nomination for one week until September 2, 2011. --LiquidTalk 03:18, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - It is unlikely to see even one more comment over the next week. Unless you redirect people to this page, everyone who wants to common will get it done in a timely manner. As such, Wing will be given sergeant.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Haloolah123 (talk).

Laeshaw (IGN: Lady Roselai)

I would like to request the Sergeant clan chat rank. It is true that I am quiet in the chat, but when I do chat I try to treat everyone with respect. I am on Runescape regularly and would use the rank wisely. Thank you for the consideration. Sunbeam crown detail.pngLady RoselaiCorrupt Zuriel's staff detail.png 22:08, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Weak support - You seem responsible/mature/friendly/trustworthy. The weakness of my support is down to my ignorance through not paying more attention. --Henneyj 22:41, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Rose would make an excellent rank. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 17:14, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

Support - I, Wingcap endorse this request whole-heartedly. She's always in chat, watching, waiting, waiting for troublemakers I am sure she'd shoot down. Like a sniper, or something.  Golden warpriest of Zamorak helm.png Wingcap Firemaking master cape.png 17:27, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Rose has always been a silently respectful, dignified and valued member of our clan community. I'd trust her completely with kicking abilites, and to keep a clear head in conflict. Ronan Talk 20:20, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

Neutral - I don't think you really pay attention enough to the cc. Its one thing to be nice to people, and to be there to moderate. But if someone never talks in the cc, why would a new member look up to that person as a leader of the clan? She would do no harm, but I also see nothing to gain from giving Rose a rank. Sorry mate. Firemaking cape.pngQwert Yuiop8 talk Firemaking-icon.png 23:36, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Per Flay Statistics.pngT M Malice Talk 18:39, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Support - as some have pointed out you seem to be on the quiet side but to be honest many other ranks are not very 'active' in discussions either. therefore I see no reason not to support you. Sky x flyer 17:45, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

Weak Oppose - I think you're a good person, and nice, but I don't think you're involved enough with the community. You have a tendency to just lurk and never talk to anyone, which isn't necessarily a great thing when it comes to picking ranks.--Cheers, Off-hand ascension crossbow.pngYodaAscension crossbow.png 02:20, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - Laeshaw (IGN: Lady Roselai) will gain the Sergeant rank. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 19:08, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

Sky x flyer (IGN: Hogyoku)

I would like to request for the rank of Sergeant in the clan chat. I'm well aware that I'm not very involved in the wiki. However, I've been a loyal and active member of the clan for several years now and I believe I'm trustworthy and friendly enough to be given the rank, which if I do obtain, I will use sensibly and responsibly. Thank you for the consideration. Sky x flyer 17:05, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

I don't really like you at all but I judge that you would be a suitable rank. (wszx) 23:25, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - To be nominated you must have had an account on the wiki for at least 3 months. You just made yours today. I'll archive this tomorrow, so I know you've seen it. ɳex undique 23:51, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

He or she remembered his or her old account details. The account was made last year so he or she has passed all criteria to be nominated. ɳex undique 00:09, October 12, 2011 (UTC)
User:Azzie69 <-link to said account if anyone is interested/so no-one else gets mistaken. Korasi's sword.png Archmage Elune  TalkHS Void knight deflector.png fetus is my son and I love him. 14:03, October 13, 2011 (UTC)
By this statement, Shouldn't Mess Effect's RfR be invalid? He made an account on August 13th, and applied on August the 16th. RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 15:09, October 13, 2011 (UTC)
Oh come on, Rhys, don't be hatin'. We UCS-ed on it, and allowed him to apply. I had heavy misgivings myself at the time, but there's no point going back on it now, nor do I think it would be a wise move to do so. I agree with you though, the rule should be upheld in future. Ronan Talk 15:15, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

Support I think Hog would make a great sergeant. Sunbeam crown detail.pngLady RoselaiCorrupt Zuriel's staff detail.png 21:39, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Strong Support - Good guy, always friendly, and a prime candidate for a sergeant.--Cheers, Off-hand ascension crossbow.pngYodaAscension crossbow.png 01:33, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

Support - As others have stated would make a good rank. Korasi's sword.png Archmage Elune  TalkHS Void knight deflector.png fetus is my son and I love him. 14:03, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

Slight Support - As you said yourself, you've been a loyal member of the wiki's in-game chat for years now, which I something I hugely admire and appreciate. You are knowledgeable about the game itself, are a good duy in general, and are often in the chat. The only cause for my uncertainty is that I've never seen you demonstrate leadership skills, which is of course the whole point of being an authority figure. Also, although constantly in-game, I don't think I've ever once seen you offer to invite a prospective member to the clan. If you can work on that, I'd be glad to offer my full support. Ronan Talk 15:24, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

Support - The tale of two hogs RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 22:34, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Active, answers questions and is very helpful. Attack Ancient Fofo Slayer 21:35, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - Sky x flyer (IGN: Hogyoku) shall be given the rank. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 21:47, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

User:Floppyc5 (IGN: Jamais Vu)

I am requesting the rank of sergeant. I am quite the regular in the chat and feel that I know the wiki/jagex policies and rules very well. I get along fairly well with everybody in the clan and feel that I can help monitor the CC from trolls and unwanted guests. In addition I feel that I am accepted as trusted user by already having rank of corporal. Floppyc5 06:31, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Adian is at least as qualified as most everyone we've been promoting lately, and there's no reason he'd be a poor rank. So support. (wszx) 02:44, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

QUESTION FOR THE CANDIDATE: Say I were to call my Aunt a bitch in the chat. Is this grounds for kicking? (wszx) 20:13, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
Comment on question - This single question is a poor way of assessing a candidate's worth as a chat moderator. It almost looks like you're wanting to validate your viewpoint on that specific part of the chat earlier today.  a proofreader ▸  21:35, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
It's a pretty clear cut answer, proofreader. If he answers it wrong, I'll wish to change my vote. (wszx) 21:47, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
So your vote will be determined by a 50/50 question. Nice. Ronan Talk 21:59, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
Actually, my vote will only be changed if he answers it wrong; things are otherwise decided. I imagine if you supported an RfA and the candidate subsequently answered the question "Would you block everyone and replace the main page with goatse if promoted?" in the affirmative, you too would change your vote based on the answer to a 50/50 question. But thanks for randomly butting in here to provide some snark and venom; maybe if I follow your high-road example, I too will someday be a CC admin. (wszx) 22:11, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
Oh don't attempt to make this personal, sir, if you don't mind. I wouldn't have had to "butt in" with "snark and venom" if you weren't basing your vote on such an unreasonable question. It's these constant ill-veiled insults that still prevent you from becoming a sergeant, or any form of authority figure. Ronan Talk 22:22, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
Jamais was not there when the name was called, and moderation has a lot to do with context. For example, were there other users that were annoyed by the name-calling? or was nobody even minding the chat? Was the language particularly egregious for some reason, knowing how the person usually behaves? Did the user receiving a warning react by lashing out at the moderator in chat? The answer is not as clear-cut as you may think.  a proofreader ▸  22:08, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
I'm sure Adian appreciates your white-knighting him, but he is sufficiently competent to ask for context if he feels it is lacking. (wszx) 22:11, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
All of you shut up and wait for the candidate to answer the question. Suppa chuppa Talk 22:23, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
<3 Ronan Talk 22:25, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

To answer the question I generally would not consider this grounds for kicking. Simply calling your Aunt a bitch does not target other players or put them in any risk to feel threatend (unless your Aunt plays RuneScape and is in the chat, or is known to be in the chat and in which case could cause retaliation.) It also does not troll the chat, flood the chat or do any sort of harm. The only reason I would find a reason to kick is IF a major debate/flame war broke out and the person in question used more colourful words to attack or threaten other users of the chat, in which case everybody who was involved would get a warning before being kicked. This descision is in part of my belief that censorship is a crime and everybody has valuable opinions which should be expressed in an appropriate manner. However, it would be your responsibility to control or suggest where the conversation is going to avoid things getting out of hand. Floppyc5 16:04, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Context is also a necessity, say if I were to shoot a world leader I could either be an assassin or a revolutionary? Do you understand what I mean? Floppyc5 16:04, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Extended - To 3 November due to lack of comments. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 17:37, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Per Harle... He's more qualified than me to be honest :O RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 18:03, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Support - He's active, seems to have a level head and more importantly wants the job. See no reason why he shouldn't get it. Quest.png Darrik Ash US serv.svg HS ALDarklight detail.png 16:04, October 27, 2011 (UTC)

Usually desire for a job on this wiki is disqualification for the position. Just a thought. (wszx) 20:13, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
You mean requesting for a rank is disqualification itself without being nominated? Clarify please. Attack Ancient Fofo Slayer 14:02, October 29, 2011 (UTC)
No, he meant that desire for an authoritative position is generally considered power hungry, or as we say here, rights grabbing. Obviously candidates must have an interest in the given tools, and a need for them, but wanting them for cosmetic reasons is largely frowned upon. Ronan Talk 14:37, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Support - He is active, hasn't had any conflict in the cc and seems to be a responsible person based on what the other voters have said. Attack Ancient Fofo Slayer 02:16, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Per Fofo7848.

 a proofreader ▸ 

02:31, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - Floppy will be made a sergeant. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 22:45, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

User:A proofreader (IGN: Nebuleon)

Hello all. In this RFR I am requesting the rank of sergeant in the Clan Chat. (Kind of a given because of the position of the RFR in the page, but I feel a proper introduction is necessary.)

I would say that I am a mature user, able to take a step back even in conversations I am involved in, and act rationally most of the time. I recognise the need for context when moderating and, as such, would not kick a user immediately after I logged on and saw something bad without gathering a sizeable portion of the context first, or waiting to see if it's an escalating situation. I realise that I am not perfect (see below) but can get better over time at acting upon certain topics.

Here are two arguments I have been involved in, which may have gotten me to kick the user if I had the ability to do so.

  1. A user was once curious to know what other people saw RuneScape as, other than entertainment, but I saw further replies as disrespect for the game and an attempt to tell others how to live their lives. The replies went something like "If you don't learn anything from RuneScape, then why do you play it?", the user's questions becoming more and more specific. After I became a bit hostile to the questions, the user told me that he was just curious. Looking back, I saw that the user did not openly accuse users of anything nor tell them how to live their lives, and I continued the conversation normally. Upon looking back at this argument, I would say that if at least one other user was displeased by the conversation, I would have kicked the user. I was the only one who had a problem with this argument, though, so I would have asked for a second opinion.
  2. When the official RuneScape Wiki was released, guests started coming into the Clan Chat and implying that the official RuneScape Wiki was going to be better than this one, with some flamebait to try to back up their assertions (something like "how does it feel to be a failing wiki?", etc.). I was involved in those conversations, along with some more users, pointing out rather sarcastically that some of their reasons were wrong. After Harlequin981 said basically "You guys are too easy to troll", I stopped and moved on. If I had the power to kick guests, I would have asked if people minded the conversation and kicked the trolls.

I like to think of myself as a helpful person in the chat, answering questions and directing people to wiki pages to read more about a subject, and sometimes poking people into asking their questions again if the chat is particularly fast and the question slipped through. Some users don't know what "the wiki" and "[[]]" mean, so I try to explain. Though perhaps irrelevant to this RFR, I sometimes lend out my items if someone asks for one to be lent to them.

If you have any questions, ask away.

I realise that this request, if fulfilled, will give me the ability to kick users from the Clan Chat if they don't abide by the rules set forth at RuneScape:Clan Chat. This inherently calls upon my abilities as a chat moderator.

 a proofreader ▸ 

19:23, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Sound fellow. Clear head, neutral judgement, competent, friendly, comprehensive, familiar with the wiki and its policies. The list goes on. One of the very, very few I comfortably label as a modern, exemplary wikian. Ronan Talk 20:06, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Support - She is a professional, level-headed user who is on at even odder times than myself (believe it or not). It would be useful for her to have kicking rights. --LiquidTalk 21:29, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Nebuleon is friendly and respectful to those in the chat and often gives answers to players' questions or redirects them to the appropriate page on the wiki. Sunbeam crown detail.pngLady RoselaiCorrupt Zuriel's staff detail.png 22:15, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Support - He is reasonable and rational. --クールネシトーク 22:35, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

She* --LiquidTalk 23:08, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
I didn't know at first if the 'she' and 'he' in your and Coolnesse's comments would clash, but please don't just comment to correct the gender...  a proofreader ▸  23:27, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Although I'm no longer in the clan, I feel that I should support Neb for the rank. He is really nice in the clan and helps out a lot. HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 23:34, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Support - This being of indeterminable gender is one I know is capable of being mature with the role. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 23:35, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Sure. Matt (t) 00:27, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Support - What more is there to say? Raglough 00:41, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Considering he turned me into a Roast Warthog upon a campfire... I think he'll do well :D RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 01:11, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Support - He can be trusted with the rank, and I don't see a reason she shouldn't become a sergeant, so I support its request. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 11:54, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Mature, rational and helpful in IRC, I'm sure he/she is the same in the CC. 222 talk 13:19, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Despite not believing in bieber power still a good candidate. Korasi's sword.png Archmage Elune  TalkHS Void knight deflector.png fetus is my son and I love him. 05:23, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

support because olives --Iiii I I I 05:29, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Closed - A proofreader will have her sergeant rank in the clan chat. --LiquidTalk 00:59, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

AstrasGirl (IGN: AstrasGirl)

I'm nominating AstrasGirl for a sergeant rank. We are extremely short-staffed on ranks in the hours of around 3am-9am EST (corresponding to 8am-2pm UTC). If Glenn isn't on, and if I'm not staying up very very late, it's common for there to be no one that can kick guests. That is a problem. AstrasGirl has been a constant presence in the clan chat for a long time now, and she has proven her maturity several times over. She would be an excellent candidate for sergeant.

As a note about her account being created today:

Astras has been using the wiki for a long time now. She only created the account today at my suggestion to start helping the wiki. I know this goes against the rule that the user must have had an account for 3-6 months, but I'm asking for an exception to this rule for this case. I had the misfortune of closing the thread that implemented this rule (Forum:Clan rank requirements) and I may make a thread to repeal the rule shortly, but for the purposes of this request I am asking you guys to overlook the fact that she has a new account.

There is no good reason why someone who's running for sergeant in the Clan Chat should have an account on the wiki for that length of time. What's much more important, in my opinion, is maintaining a mature presence in the clan chat for a significant period of time. The fact that the user in question has been on the wiki, just without an account, for a long time further makes the rule pointless.

To summarize, the wiki clan chat would benefit a lot from having someone like AStra as a sergeant. Therefore, perhaps as an application of UCS, I ask that we ignore the user account rule for this RfR. --LiquidTalk 10:12, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Support - As nominator. --LiquidTalk 10:12, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Support - There is no way I can anything BUT support Astra's RfR, always willing to help people, helps in Citadel etc etc etc, not a bad thing to say really. RSDaftVader 10:19, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - I greatfully accept this nomination and thank Liquid for thinking of me :P  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AstrasGirl (talk) on 10:24, February 2, 2012 (UTC).

Support - Active in the cc, while I'm the only rank a lot of the time (although I'll be dropping activity a bit with school), with Jim and Liquid at the early times. No reason to oppose. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 10:28, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Strong Support - In the cc every day (at least every day that I'm in it), helps noobs like me with effigies, gets 99 herblore, et cetera. Bluefire2  Choose OptionMy page Talk to me! Edit my sig pl0x Guestbook pl0xOil4 I made this 14:16, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Support. Even though I'm not active in the CC, this candidate looks good per above. ajr 14:56, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Support - This is overdue, despite the new account situation. RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 15:32, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Support - It is as the nominator says. I am in the Clan Chat quite often and see the candidate on, also quite often, during the stated times. She is quite helpful, mature, dislikes trolling and excessive swearing, and has had a presence in the Clan Chat for a while now.

As for the wiki presence, it is the wiki's Clan Chat, but this nomination was made by need, not by want. This detail can be safely overlooked.

 a proofreader ▸ 

17:43, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Support - I can comfortably trust you as an authority figure. Although I do dislike how often we're ignoring the account requirement, I'll gladly make an exception in this case. Ronan Talk 21:39, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

As much as I slated Mess when he originally got his rank whilst ignoring the rule, I'm now against this rule existing for sergeant ranks (But it MUST remain for the admin.) This is only by virtue of the rank being so hard to abuse, with so little potential damage to be done, I don't feel an aged wiki account is much of a necessity. Perhaps we should propose this? RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 22:30, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
You probably have a point there. A thread on RfRs is needed anyway. Ronan Talk 08:32, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
Support - Raglough 00:18, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Support - If the above reasons are not enough: Because ponies Korasi's sword.png Archmage Elune  TalkHS Void knight deflector.png fetus is my son and I love him. 07:09, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Support - One of the constant factors in the CC at those times Herblore-icon.pngDimchordtalkSlayer-icon.png 08:56, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Strong Support - Astra is one of the nicest people i've ever met in the clan. Always willing to offer advice and lend a hand to those in need, Her temper is fair, and I can honestly say i've never seen her lose her cool in any situation. Perfect candidate. Slayer-icon.png The Mess Effect Dragonfire shield.png 11:51, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Closed - AstrasGirl will have the sergeant rank in the Clan Chat. --LiquidTalk 00:07, February 9, 2012 (UTC)


Adam Savage (IGN: Adam Savage)

I'd like to ask for a rank in the Clan chat. I'd like to do this because an advanced rank grants me access to the Battlefield, where I would like to get some OoO pictures of. It would also allow me to prove that I can be responsible given something like this. Also, I'm now a member of the clan, and have been joining on and off for the past year as a guest to the chat, under several names. I can safely say that I will use this ranks for intents and purposes only productive and positive, instead of the negative and unproductive. I accept my self-nomination for a rank, and all that, as well. :) Adam SavageTalk 00:47, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - You have proved yourself numerous times to be immature, and it seems like you don't really want the rank to use it, you just want to take pictures. Additionally, you seem to be a rather new person in the CC, so I just don't think you're ready.--Cheers, Off-hand ascension crossbow.pngYodaAscension crossbow.png 00:54, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not immature. Sometimes stubborn, yes, but I don't think I'm all that immature. I want the rank to use it, not just to take pictures. The pictures are just a bonus that comes with the rank, and something I'd like the rank for. I'm also not all that new to the Clan chat, because as I've said, I've been in and out for a year. Adam SavageTalk 01:07, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
You are immature Adam. How many times have you thrown in the towel on projects and threads because things weren't going your way? Also, whenever anybody objects to you doing something, you claim they are getting mad and tell them to calm down, which could be seen as patronising What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 01:10, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
Also, if you're stubborn that usually means you're unwilling to see other people's point of view which is rather important if you're going to have any kind of power. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 01:13, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - I have to agree with Yoda on this one. Furthermore, I almost never see you in the CC. --LiquidTalk 01:14, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - @Ciph: I don't throw in the towel on projects because they aren't going my way, I throw in the towl because generally the community doesn't want it to pass. And, I never claim that someone is "mad" if they object me. Only if they're being outright stupid, or just complete you-know-whats to me for no reason. How any of that could be seen as patronizing, I don't know. @Zamorak: I love seeing other people's point of view. It's constructive if they use it to be constructive. @Helium: Like I've said, I've been out off and on for the past year, under several names. I've joined the clan now, and will be becoming more active on things in the CC and ingame-related stuff. And, not just to you, but to others: It kinda hurts when you post that I'm immature, etc etc on every thread (or something like this) I've made. :/ Adam SavageTalk 01:21, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

User_talk:Haloolah123#Re - You claimed Halo was mad for objecting to you warning TOR, and he was not being stupid or you-know-whats at you for no reason. Also, your comment on your "Unblock Parsons" thread about retiring was because things weren't going your way, not because the community didn't want it to pass. What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 01:26, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - You've not been around that long, as per above, you've thrown a few "I quit the wiki, blah blah blah" stuff out there... I just don't think you're cut and ready for this... Maybe next time once you're more community centered. RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 01:48, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

? - How am I not community centered? Adam SavageTalk 01:57, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
Compared to other users, I don't see you in the clan chat THAT often... RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 02:02, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Per above, maturity and responsibility, not to mention activity, would be, I feel, lacking. You aren't in the CC half enough to be able to monitor and kick trolls, thus the only major added ability of being a sergeant would be wasted. I've never seen you show any interest in meeting a prospective recruit to invite them either, so to me, despite your claiming otherwise, the only reason you want this rank is to be able to take some pictures. Also, in my view, this isn't just about proving you're responsible, it's about utilising the rank fairly and with good intent. Ronan Talk 09:15, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - I have never seen you in the chat. Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 09:17, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - I usually stay away from Clan related stuff, seeing as how I'm not a part of it, but I have to do this. Adam, you seem to have a superiority complex that can result in you being immature and stubborn. I've seen this in your language and edits, as you often upload an image that is inferior to the current image and insist on it being used. I would not want somebody like that with the ability to kick What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 17:15, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - If you look back on past rfr you will notice that anyone who argues with people on them has never been past. Also you use what Warthog said on your rfr to judge his. That sounds like someone who is terrible for a rank. Wait a while, play in the cc more, and mature up. Then, you will have my support. Firemaking cape.pngQwert Yuiop8 talk Firemaking-icon.png 17:34, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Request for Closure - Per consensus Adam SavageTalk 17:37, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - Nomination withdrawn. Suppa chuppa Talk 17:40, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

User:Ctrl and J (IGN: MSkillsRPure)

I am requesting a corporal rank because I think I can get more people to join the clan and more people to get more supplies in the Citadel. Ring of kinship.png Ctrl and J Magic-icon.png

Just to clarify to readers (as halo hasn't, derp), corporal is applied for on an arbitrary basis in the CC, not on this page. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 21:04, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

(wszx) (IGN:harlequin981)

Still sounds like fun. (wszx) 06:13, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

  • OpposeSupport - Just joking about the oppose but you are in the chat a lot as well you are helpful. Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 06:26, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - A flick through the archives and your talk page makes me think that you would be a terrible choice for a rank right now. Also, just in case anyone should happen to get mislead as I was, this user should not be confused with another member of a relatively similar name, zxzwzx. Ronan Talk 10:35, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Pretty sure we know who he is in game. Santa hat.png Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 13:05, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

You may, but others could and have mistaken them. I didn't mention it for no reason, you know. OMG! Ronan Talk 19:18, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Neutral - Harle is a very mature person, and I feel that he'll use the tools for the better good of the wiki. Although, I don't feel that I've really had many positive communications with this guy, which makes the wiki feel slightly uncomforting if this was a new user speaking... RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 14:29, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Lets be honest. I can't think of more than one time in all the years I've known you that you have contributed positively to the cc. Your just not cut out for it. Firemaking cape.pngQwert Yuiop8 talk Firemaking-icon.png 14:51, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - Harlequin981 will not be given the sergeant rank. --LiquidTalk 04:17, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

User:Hellow533 (IGN: Whyhaveawife)

The last time I tried to request a rank was a long time ago when the friends chat was still open. I had quite a few people saying they would support me if I had a better ingame name, as the one I had at the time was a bit offensive. I'm not sure how many people even remember me, but I would like to request a rank anyways. I just joined back into rsw after finding out the friends chat is now gone.--Baby raccoon (grey) chathead.png Hellow533 Hiscores Woodcutting cape (t).png 19:04, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - Candidate has shown a terrible lack of judgement and knowledge of how to uphold the wiki's credentials in the past. Furthermore, he has stated himself that he has not actively participated in the chat for nearly 8 months. Coming back to the chat and applying for a rank on the same day, no, in the same few hours, also makes me very wary that you have not changed sufficiently, or at all, to be granted this position or respected as an authority figure. You have shown me nothing, in the moderate length of time that I was speaking with you, to prove to me that you are at all ready for the responsibility. Ronan Talk 19:45, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

No worries Flay, and it wasn't only in the same few hours, it was around a 20 minute difference. Furthermore, you said you don't at all remember me from the cc in the last year, and on top of that I haven't actually talked to you enough to prove to you I'm not ready for a rank. I did put in an rfr after just rejoining, but saying I have not changed at all is a hard call. You said yourself you don't remember me, so you don't have at all any knowledge of me. Yet you can still say I have not changed at all by seeing 1 archive. However, I accept your oppose and see your point of view. I hope to get to know you better, as well as you get to know me better, before your next bashing.--Baby raccoon (grey) chathead.png Hellow533 Hiscores Woodcutting cape (t).png 19:56, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

I was talking to you for at least 30 minutes (and counting). Certainly, I can't absorb your life story, but I can get a fairly accurate view of your attitude and personality. The two archives do also help paint a clearer picture, of course. Ronan Talk 20:01, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - I haven't seen you in the cc since you rage quit after your last nomination. Isn't that reason enough that you should not be given a rank? I've told you this in-game in the past and you still haven't figured it out. DO NOT argue on your rfr! It a terrible habit that you have and it just shows me that you have not changed what-so-ever. It's nice to see that you are back, but its not your time. Sorry. P.S. Having a name mocking one of the banned members of the cc probably isn't the smartest idea in the world. Firemaking cape.pngQwert Yuiop8 talk Firemaking-icon.png 02:29, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

Strong oppose - Sorry, but I completely agree with both Flays' and Qwert's statements. You just have not proved you are responsible enough for a rank yet, and it shows especially after you have argued on your own RFR. Slayer-icon.png The Mess Effect Dragonfire shield.png

Closed - Hellow533 will not be given the sergeant rank. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 19:31, October 23, 2011 (UTC)



Yoda (IGN: A Pro Person)

I would like to request a Clan Chat Admin rank. I know I've only been a sergeant for a short time compared to some of the other ranks, but I have been in the chat for quite a while otherwise. Recently I found myself unable to kick a blatant troll who was spamming and had an offensive name, only because someone had let him into the clan. I had to get an admin from the IRC to log on and kick the offending troll. I really don't like this, as it somewhat defeats the purpose of a rank if I can't kick a portion of the existing trolls. I don't really want this for the extra citadel tools, and will try to leave that to some of the other admins if possible. Cheers, --Cheers, Off-hand ascension crossbow.pngYodaAscension crossbow.png 23:05, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose and query on whether this is allowed - I outright don't feel I can trust you with the ability to kick any normal clan members... I know you, and any reason to put you in a "Mess around" or angry mood can easily lead to a misuse in tools...

As for whether this is allowed or not... I don't know, people on IRC are telling me it is, but I don't know. RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 23:10, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Just to add to my oppose, that's a first for that kind of incident, ever. I really don't think it'll occur again RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 23:11, October 10, 2011 (UTC)
Just to clarify that requesting clan adminship by a non-sysop is allowed, per Forum:Regarding adminship and ranks#Conclusion. I have rewritten the guide at the top of the page to reflect this, and also since it was well out of date. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 23:17, October 10, 2011 (UTC)
Wart, I understand your concern, but as of today I've only kicked 1 person, and believe me, if I let my temper get the best of me that number would be much higher.--Cheers, Off-hand ascension crossbow.pngYodaAscension crossbow.png 23:21, October 10, 2011 (UTC)
This is not the first time it has happened Wart. Its happened to me at least twice that I can remember right now. On top of that, saying "I dont think it'll occur again" is downright ignorant. As long as there is a wiki, there will be trolls in the cc. Firemaking cape.pngQwert Yuiop8 talk Firemaking-icon.png 23:36, October 10, 2011 (UTC)
It's rare enough of an incident, that I've not seen anything like it yet, I know Yoda, for a fact, will have "Fun kick wars" with other users, or may harshly kick someone just because of a tiny statement. I just think that there's better candidates for this. RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 21:47, October 12, 2011 (UTC)
First, I have seen maybe 3 or 4 instances where a troll is in the chat and there are no admins available to mend the situation... and I've only been a member for a few months. Second, I can't percieve Yoda having "Fun Kick Wars" with other users based on my previous experiences with him. I'm sure he understands how quickly a rank can be taken away if any admin tools were used unnecessarily or immaturely. As for the third argument, I have seen an overreaction or two to seemingly minor offenses/miscommunications/etc... However, this is only one moderately impairing flaw out of many positive attributes that Yoda possesses. Red partyhat detail.png Pen Draig Talk King Black Dragon.png 14:48, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
I still don't know, I know he can be immature some times, and I just know for a fact that this is going to go wrong sometime in the future... RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 16:04, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
Wart, if it does go wrong, I'll be de-ranked. but I don't think it will. I know the consequences, so I won't do it.--Cheers, Off-hand ascension crossbow.pngYodaAscension crossbow.png 01:38, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

Support - This brings me back to that old thread. There's no reason to not give certain people who have the Sargent rank kicking powers. That's how it always used to be, and it should still be like that. Yoda will do just fine with the privilege to kick and the other tools. Firemaking cape.pngQwert Yuiop8 talk Firemaking-icon.png 23:36, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Yoda's a good guy. I've always thought of him as solid and reliable, and I don't think granting him this rank will negatively influence that view. I have faith in him to use the tools correctly, and resonsibly. Ronan Talk 15:19, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Support - from what I've seen in the chat, Yoda is more than trustworthy enough to be given the rank. Sky x flyer 17:05, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Very trustworthy and deserving of these abilities in the CC. --クールネシトーク 19:39, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Strong Support - Yoda is everpresent in the cc and is highly knowledgeable and helpful to other members in every instance I have witnessed. I am in favor of new ranks due to the proven inefficiency of our recruiting and our inability to terminate a few quite recent troll attacks. I think Yoda's frequent in-game activity and trustworthiness among most members of the clan make him a great candidate. Red partyhat detail.png Pen Draig Talk King Black Dragon.png 14:37, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

Support - per above. Attack Ancient Fofo Slayer 21:14, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

Strong Support - Yoda is a great guy that has more than proven himself capable of the admin rank in these past few months scince becoming a sergeant. Generally active in discussions, allways has something possitive to imput in one way or another, and his frequent clan activity would also make him a great asset to have. Slayer-icon.png The Mess Effect Dragonfire shield.png

Closed - Yoda will be given the administrator rank in the Clan Chat. --LiquidTalk 20:41, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Flaysian (IGN: Flaysian)

Original Request for Rank - Might be a nice tradition to start.

I would like to request an admin rank in the CC, for several reasons. Please try and bear with me, while I elaborate on my tedious points. Ok

To put it frankly, sergeants are extremely limited in their capabilites regarding moderation and kicks at present, and there's not much we can do about it. The fact is, the vast majority of our offenders, malicious users, or just trolls in general, are members, not guests. It's an incredibly rare occurrence to see a guest join with no intention other than to cause disruption, and as such our ability to make the clan a more pleasant place for all is greatly hindered. Many's the time I've had to pester users in IRC or on-site chat to kick an offender, and I'm quite honestly rather tired of it. Not only does it give them unnecessary time to disrupt, it inconveniences our sysops and clan members alike. Since the very beginning, I've also had a huge interest and determination to make our clan citadel succeed and be a fun place for our users. With these tools, I would be able to do such things as start clan votes, private meetings, and perhaps make an effort to start a few Rated Clan Wars games. Of course, I will continue to fulfil my resource count to capacity each week. The main point is to get anyone willing active and interested in the citadel and clan as a whole, to maximise the enjoyment they get from it.

I've always liked to think that all RfRs are based on trust. Without it, there's no chance of having good authority figures. That said, I've always striven to maintain that basic trust and friendliness when in any role of authority, or indeed, at any stage. I never have, never would, and never will, become either uncivil, unjust, or uncalm in conflict. If any user needs help, I'll always be there to do my best to assist them, or point them in the right direction if I can't. With that, I'll wrap up my request. I'm truly apologetic for this text wall, but then again, this isn't a request we're really used to yet, and it comes with considerably more responsibility. All I can say is that I will do an honest, diligent job, if the community has faith in me to do so. Thank you for reading, and I hope you'll consider my application. Wave Ronan Talk 16:28, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Support - As a regular user of the CC I belive from experience that Flay would make a great adition to the far too few active admins we currently have. Statistics.pngT M Malice Talk 18:37, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Old Flay is always in chat, and I can't see why not. --クールネシトーク 19:39, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Strong Support - Flay to me seems very mature and I don't know why this hasn't already established!Smile
Hair 23:41, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Won't abuse the tools, perfect candidate. RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 21:48, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Per all above. He's very friendly and mature and would be a great admin. Sunbeam crown detail.pngLady RoselaiCorrupt Zuriel's staff detail.png 21:52, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Slight support/neutral- Although I do agree with the idea that we need more admins in the clan to be able to kick disruptive members, I think this rank shouldn't be handed out easily to sergeants, or indeed, anyone who is merely a 'nice guy'. I haven't seen any strong evidence (such as involvement in organising community events for instance) that suggests you are very actively involved in contributing to the clan. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sky x flyer (talk) on 18:14, 13 October 2011 (UTC).

Maybe it's just because I'm slightly short-sighted, but not a single one of the above voters are supporting because I'm a "nice guy". I have no idea what you mean by me not being involved in organising events. That's the entire point of having an Events Team, but as an fyi, I helped out as an event moderator on the Autumn Wikifest just last week. I can't even respond to you saying I don't contribute to the clan. Also, good sir/madam, please remember to sign your comments by typing four tildes (~~~~) . Ronan Talk 20:19, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

Strong Support - At first he was more of a "lurking" member of the CC, but since he was made a sergeat he's become a great, funny, active, and involved member of the Clan Chat. can't think of anyone I'd like to see as an admin more.--Cheers, Off-hand ascension crossbow.pngYodaAscension crossbow.png 02:20, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Per above. Flay has always been friendly and helpful, yet very serious about in-game and site rules. Shows maturity and level-headedness beyond his years. Red partyhat detail.png Pen Draig Talk King Black Dragon.png 22:08, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Poke. I think that he has come a long way in only a short amount of time, both on wiki, and off. He's great for the job! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Qwert yuiop8 (talk) on 02:35, October 15, 2011 (UTC).

Strong Support per above. Attack Ancient Fofo Slayer 21:47, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

Strong Support - Qwert pretty much took the words out of my mouth! Flay has indeed come a long way in a short time. This, added to his maturity and impartiality in cc member conflicts, as well as his frequent imput to chat discussions and his general enthusiasm to help people, has more than shown he is trustworthy enough for the jump from Sergeant to Admin. Slayer-icon.png The Mess Effect Dragonfire shield.png 10:13, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - Flaysian will be given the administrator rank in the Clan Chat. --LiquidTalk 01:16, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Jim (IGN: RSW (Shinryu Nova currently)) (CC Admin)

Request for Rank <- As I thought it's realevent here.

I'd like to request a CC admin rank as there's been a fair number of times where I am either the only rank in chat or all other ranks in chat are currently sergeants (which leads to the same problem of not being able to kick any trolls invited) I've been part of clan/friend chat for years, ranked for most of that time, and most who know me can attest that I will not use the ability to remove clan members unless needed. As for citadel tools/clan motifs/motto I will never edit such things (unless such a consensus deems it necessary) I have no interest in the our forums on the RSOF and will probably never even visit there again. Thanks for the chance Smile. Korasi's sword.png Archmage Elune  TalkHS Void knight deflector.png fetus is my son and I love him. 17:27, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Just a quick question, what timezone are you in? Ronan Talk 19:03, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Reside in? Eastern. However as per when I requested the sergeant rank my play time is (mostly) random so I'm able to cover multiple time zones. Korasi's sword.png Archmage Elune  TalkHS Void knight deflector.png fetus is my son and I love him. 19:53, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Support - He's been around for a while, and has shown that he can be trusted with the tools. I think he'll use them for good RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 21:50, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Slight Support - You've been on my friends list for a long time, and you've been in the chat for a long time before even that. I also believe you to be a trustworthy guy, and good to talk with. What worries me is how little you participate in discussion, offer to invite, or just moderate in general. These factors are vital if other clan members are to look up to you as an authority figure. Again, I think you're a good guy, but due to those reasons I cannot pledge full support at present. Ronan Talk 15:29, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

Slight Support/neutral - . like Flay said you seem to contribute relatively little to the chat itself, but you still seem to be mature and trustworthy.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sky x flyer (talk) on 18:28, 13 October 2011 (UTC).

Support - Jim is generally a more silent rank in the chat than most, but he he not only been around FOREVER, but is a very fun, friendly, and humorous person.--Cheers, Off-hand ascension crossbow.pngYodaAscension crossbow.png 02:20, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

Support - People really don't realize how much of an impact Jim has had on the cc over the years. He's our longest member (that I can think of right now) and he has always done good. He'll do a good job... and if he doesn't... we'll find him :D Firemaking cape.pngQwert Yuiop8 talk Firemaking-icon.png 02:35, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

Support - per above Attack Ancient Fofo Slayer 21:41, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - Jim will be given the administrator rank in the Clan Chat. --LiquidTalk 01:16, October 25, 2011 (UTC)


User:Rhys Jones (IGN: Warthog)

I'm here, requesting the rank of a Clan Admin. I've been a regular user in the wiki's clan chat for what is approaching 3 years (Starting in January 2009), and I feel after my chapter in the events team, I'm as integrated as I can be into the wiki's community. I believe that many people in the clan chat know me and talk to me often, which is a good sign of trust. In all fairness, I've never truly had to use my current tools, but in the same sense, I have never turned around and thought once about abusing them either. I'm often online during most hours of the day, as early as British mornings to as late as west coast nights. I've seen a few incidents in the past in which we have had a member or troll that has required kicking, but someone hasn't been online to do so, and as a result of this, someone has had to go and ask a sysop who has been online in the IRC or any other similar type of chat around the internet for assistance. The bottom line of this RfR is, given the tools, I know I will use them for the good of the wiki, and my past record with tools of any form has been crystal clear, and I have no intention of tainting that. I'll stop dragging on and let the rest of you guys decide how you want this to end up. Thanks, RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 15:16, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Right, It has been over a week since I created this RfR, and there has been no response at all. I have been indirectly trying to tell people that this is here and it needs some comments, supports, opposes, neutrals, etc. It's at the point where I'm going to have to start mentioning this directly in the clan chat and the IRC and where ever else. So, just a pre-warning before you come on here and bite my face off for telling people to come and give their opinion. RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 13:00, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Wart is on through a wide variety of timezones. He helps members when they ask him and is very beneficial to have around. He might be a little hard on people sometimes but he does it to get the very best out of people. As such, he should be an admin. --Lashazior 22:15, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Seeing as Warthog can keep his cool in tougher times and that he is such an easy and nice person to work with, he has my support. S T Y G 00:12, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

I would probably be blocked on some BS UTP violation if I commented genuinely, but comments have been solicited so I shall simply note my opposition. (wszx) 01:00, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Unfortunately I find myself agreeing with Harle. I didn't plan to comment on this RfR, as if I did it would have had this outcome, but your comment here was, as they say, the straw that broke the camel's back. Rhys, you are active, you're constantly chatting about something or other, and personally I consider you one of the best friends I have here. But that's where the praise ends. You openly troll, bait users that have developed an issue with you, curse far too often and in unnecessary volume, and it is completely untrue to say that you keep your cool in tougher times. You will strongly insult the user you are arguing with, bait them, troll them, and then excuse yourself by saying something along the lines of "Just sayin' ". I was comfortable to support you as a sergeant, but this would be a position of greater responsibility, where certain players, specifically newer users, would look towards you to lead by example. That example would be a terrible one. Ronan Talk 20:06, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Ronan. --LiquidTalk 20:19, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Strong oppose - The candidate's personality is at issue for me as well.

The following are taken from IRC, not the Clan Chat, because logging the Clan Chat is impossible. Apologies for the mismatch, but the personality of the candidate shows through these quotes equally. The candidate seems to be unfit for setting an example in the IRC and Clan Chat, despite his lack of abuse of Clan Chat features like kicking, and despite his planned lack of abuse of the clan administration tools, including the citadel tools.

Dec 16 10:58:01 Warthog If Harle logs in tonight
Dec 16 10:58:07 Warthog I'm parting from the clan chat
Dec 16 10:58:35 Warthog Because I'll get myself banned if i don't

From this quote, one can gather that the candidate knowingly hates Harle enough to flame him in-game. Flipside: the candidate has enough self-control to avoid Harle. Counter-flipside: the candidate, if needed to use administrator tools in-game when no other administrator is available, would either not log in or flame Harle.

Dec 16 08:07:07 Warthog !youtube Asian hooker Steel panther
Dec 16 08:08:48 Warthog So fuck it, So fuck it, So fuck it, So fuck it, Smells like sushi

I have seen this line in the Clan Chat as well that day. This is from a song by Aerosmith by Asian Hooker, but is still gratuitous bad language that would set a bad example of the rules of the Clan Chat to those wishing to join it. Other songs that the candidate has quoted lyrics from have that same problem.

Dec 14 18:08:01 Warthog To be honest MajorRSB
Dec 14 18:08:04 Warthog You mentioned you botted
Dec 14 18:08:10 Warthog Every argument of money making you've ever done
Dec 14 18:08:11 Warthog To me
Dec 14 18:08:13 Warthog Has beome invalid
Dec 14 18:08:19 MajorRSB Warthog: That's cool.
Dec 14 18:09:05 Warthog So no one's going to jump on him for botting?
Dec 14 18:09:21 Warthog RS:IRC and all that impersonation shit the other day just went out the window
Dec 14 18:09:37 Warthog Just sayin'

Disregard for policies, and disrespect for MajorRSB by inciting users jumping on him for past actions. I would not trust the candidate to uphold any standard, nor to be consistent, nor not to hold grudges against people. (Note the appearance of "Just sayin'" per above comments.)

Another example: when the candidate called User:Clv309 various names in the channel after she tried to uphold the impersonation rule in the IRC channel because too many users had similar nicknames; the name-calling carried over to the Clan Chat that same day.

Given the above, I would also not trust the candidate to uphold the "please take arguments with users to private messaging" guideline in RS:CC.

The quotes are not meant to be nitpicking; they are meant to be seen as concrete examples of what I am advancing about the candidate's personality.

 a proofreader ▸ 

23:40, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Notice - Extended to the 31st for more discussion. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 17:10, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - The user will not become a clan chat administrator. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 17:18, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

The Mess effect (IGN: Mess Effect)

Hi there, my name is The Mess effect and I am requesting for the rank of Admin.

The main reason for this is due to the fact that, quite often during the morning-mid afternoon of my timezone (BST), I am one of the only serg's in the chat, and usually without an admin. I am Generaly active any time between 10AM and 11PM BST.

I feel that I am well enough known and somewhat trusted in the clan, and I try my best to offer service and advice whenever possible, to newer recruits and even sometimes to our longer serving clanmates. I feel it would also help in the recruitment of others into the clan, as often times those with recruitment capabilities can be pre-occupied with other tasks and/or be in out-of-the-way places, unable to be reached by lower levelled players. If this were to happen, I would be able to give a temporary rank to a willing clanmate for them to be able to recruit any individual wishing to join us.

Thank you for taking the time to read my request and I hope I have proven myself worthy of your trust.

Slayer-icon.png The Mess Effect Dragonfire shield.png 22:41, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Strong oppose - You are far too immature, uncalm, and sometimes uncivil for this position at this time. There are certain similarities between you and the last candidate that ran an RfCCA, and some of my reasons for opposition are also the same, but I will go into these points in more detail this time.

  • Immaturity: Whilst no reasonable person on this site can protest against having fun in the chat, you take things much too far, too often, and set an atrocious example in the process. As an example, there was a time a short while ago when you and one or two other users began having a discussion about the Kings of Leon's "Sex on Fire". I decided to give you the chance to stop the conversation yourself before having to intervene, but I was bitterly disappointed when you actually brought it up again a minute or two after the other users had moved on, and this time began discussing it in a far more offensive manner. This displays a complete lack of discretion, knowledge of policy, common sense, and respect for rules and others. You cannot be accepted as an authority figure here with abrasive and immature behaviour like that.
  • Neutrality: You too often either threaten users with a kick when they have done nothing that would deserve such an action, or kick them without sufficient warning at all. You also have told two ranks in the chat that I know of that you would try to get them de-ranked after they had to tell you to stop discussing topics that went against the wiki's policies, which is blatant childishness. A NPOV is absolutely vital with CCA tools, and it's something you completely disregard.
  • Activity & opening statement: You had discussed the possibility of you running an RfCCA with me some time ago. During these conversations, you repeatedly (and heatedly) told me that you were not as active as you once were, and wouldn't be logging in as much anymore. There's no point requesting these tools if you're not active enough to ever use them. Why have you now changed your mind? I'd also like to question the legitimacy of your introductory statement, in which you say that during the morning and afternoon, there are usually little sergeants and no admins online. This is not true, in any way. There is nearly always at least one CCA online nowadays, and to say otherwise is completely false. Also, 10AM - 11PM BST is probably the time of day when there are the most ranks online. I'm not trying to use the "too many admins" argument here, but do you genuinely feel we need another?
  • Wiki familiarity: You created an account with Wikia solely for the purpose of running RfRs. This does not impress me at all. While I know that wiki activity isn't yet a requirement to run these requests, I expect that users running for clan adminship would have at least 50-100 mainspace edits. This tells me that the candidate has committment to the wiki as a whole, and I can also get a clearer picture of their personality from their editing style. You've given us nothing to work with in that respect.
  • Integrity: I have a few issues with the way you're dealing with this request. After you notified me last night that you were running for this, you said that if I was going to oppose, I was not to oppose strongly. When I asked why, your answer was "You'll see ;)". I have no idea what you meant by that, but it's not good enough. Solicitation and manipulation is not what I want to see from a potential Clan Chat admin. I've spoken about your innaccurate reference to timezones already, so there's no need to repeat all of that again here, but that was also a factor in my vote.

That's it. I don't expect you to respond to any of this, by the way, and I realise I've probably now lost your friendship, but I have to put the interests of the group before the interests of the individual, and you are not suitable for this position at present. I'm worried some users simply think that because they've been in the CC for a long time they should try their hand at an RfCCA, but that's not what it's all about. I expect certain qualities from our authority figures, and right now you don't have what we should be looking for. Ronan Talk 17:01, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Stating I would disown you as a friend? where on earth did that come from. In our conversation i asked you to be truthfull, and that is what you have done. as for your kings of leon song, I hardly find asking 'how an act of doing something can be physically on fire' can be sufficiant grounds for a kick warning. Slayer-icon.png The Mess Effect Dragonfire shield.png 18:16, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry to butt in here, but i dont see anything wrong here 'sex on fire' is a genuine title of a genuine song and therefore should be able to be discussed Zaros symbol.png KDanger Talk 14:29, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - The only real point of Flaysian's that I agree with is the lack of a presence on the wiki. This usually leads to a low knowledge of policies and other factors that are key when it comes down to being an admin in the clan chat. RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 17:26, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Just to clarify, this is more of a concern about the policies and how he will use and adapt to them, yet having almost no presence on the wiki whatsoever. RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 00:46, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Weak oppose - The sentence about activity and being needed due to timezones is at question. Gaz Lloyd comes online during the time the candidate says he would be online.

(Insert Flaysian's argument about presence on the wiki here, by reference)

I don't know the candidate enough, even in the CC, to support this request for CC rank.

 a proofreader ▸ 

18:46, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose Neutral (See below) - Candidates should be well-known, trusted, and helpful contributors to the wiki and clan chat. I don't see how you could possibly meet this with 28 edits on the wiki within 5 months. xScoobsx Talk Contribs 19:04, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Mess Effect is in the clan chat regularly and from my experience is helpful to other players. Even though he doesn't have an abundance of edits on the wiki, I feel that he does understand the policies and would use his privileges wisely. He does have a light-hearted nature, but no more so than other admins or ranks in the chat. Sunbeam crown detail.pngLady RoselaiCorrupt Zuriel's staff detail.png 22:04, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - If you have other reasons, sure, but opposing based on one's edit count when they're running for a CLAN CHAT rank is not a fair reason.--Cheers, Off-hand ascension crossbow.pngYodaAscension crossbow.png 22:08, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

It's a legitimate reason. No wiki, no clan chat. A person's editing style is unique, they can tell you a lot about the candidate. It's the exact same as discerning someone's character from seeing them in IRC or S:C, both of which are considered sound reasons to weigh a vote, and no one complains about them. We've always been too vague on this, but hopefully we can get that sorted soon. Ronan Talk 22:21, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
[edit conflict with cook below but whatever] Edit count is a horrible way of looking at things. It implies some sort of dedication to the wiki sure, but that's about it. Edit quality is a better gauge, but in this context that doesn't mean muchHow the user interacts with people by any of the modes of communication we have is the most important thing - be that CC, IRC, S:C, Forum:, RuneScape:, Talk:, User talk:, etc.
Editing style can tell some things, but based purely on mainspace its not going to say much - how they write prose, how good their spelling/grammar is (or whether or not they use a spellchecker), maybe their sense of how well to organise a page, and possibly how well they can tell vandalism from legitimate edits - but [aside from edit wars] it says little about how they interact with others, which of course is the primary function of a CC admin.
In terms of dedication Mess has been part of the clan chat (and friends chat before it) for a significant amount of time, unless I am very much mistaken. Its just his dedication to RuneScape itself which may have wavered. While maybe it would have been nice to see more on-wiki presence, not having it does not imply he's not dedicated given his extensive use of the clan chat in the past. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 23:44, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - In no way should a lack of edits be taken into account as a negative factor in a RFR. When I passed my RFR (Which at the time was basically the same powers as the current Admins) I had, and still have, 9 mainspace edits. You cannot realistically judge someones character off of edits. That is factual information that anyone could write the same exact way. Judge a character by their character from personal experiences with them in the cc, irc, or s:c, not by edits. Thank you, Firemaking cape.pngQwert Yuiop8 talk Firemaking-icon.png 22:33, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Mess is far more sensible than many other ranks we have such as, say, Flaysian. (wszx) 22:44, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

I only wish I could be as wise as you think you are. Ronan Talk 23:15, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
Maybe someday. (wszx) 00:49, January 21, 2012 (UTC)
I don't think you can measure how wise someone is with complex numbers :/ RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 01:08, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - I'm certainly not active enough in the Clan Chat to make an informed choice on this request, but it caught me as odd the notion that you need to have lots of mainspace edits to make a good Clan Admin. You cannot learn someone's maturity or character from editing mainspace. The reason why IRC and Special:Chat are allowed is because those are other modes of communication. Looking through the Clan Chat list, I can safely say that I have never seen two thirds of those people edit in mainspace. The Clan Chat is its own community, with scores of people who are plenty active there but are hardly editors. He's active enough in the areas of the wiki that pertain to the Clan Chat (namely this page), so opposing because he doesn't edit mainspace just seems lame and irrelevant. ʞooɔ 23:31, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - On-wiki edit count is not a valid reason for opposing this. You'll find that a lot of people in the CC or the IRC either have very small edit counts or they might not even have accounts on the wiki at all, and them creating an account's sole purpose might be to do an RfR, because they have to to do an RfR. You don't need to edit to understand the wiki's policies. You just need to understand the wiki's policies, period. The only benefit editing the wiki has in this regard would be to understand how those policies apply to editing, which has nothing to do with the clan chat whatsoever. Also, tell me Flay, how does 20 or so edits automatically make someone un-experienced, but if they do 30 small spelling or grammar fixes they're suddenly adequately experienced? That makes no sense. Matt (t) 00:24, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - Clearly, I need to make my voice a little more heard here. To an extent, Flaysian is correct when it comes down to mentioning the activity on the wiki and the lack of edits, although on the other hand, other users such as Cook are also correct in mentioning that it shouldn't matter. The truth here is though, is figuring out this person as a whole. Mess has a very very minor presence on the wiki, which in my views is a concern. I'm concerned about how the lack of a wiki presence will have an impact on his use with the tools, perhaps because he has not given some policies a correct read through to know that in this specific scenario, this many warnings should be given, and in that specific scenario, the person should be automatically kicked. As for edit count, to an extent, this isn't a major issue in my eyes, but the lack of on-wiki knowledge, but yet self nominating himself to become an Administrator in the clan chat, a person who hundreds of people are going to look up to for help, this isn't going to work. What if he's asked by a new wikian about how to code something, and he says that he doesn't know? The doesn't really reflect well on us or the wiki. My other concern with the lack of activity on the site is circulating around the Yew Grove and other major discussion areas. He is very very detached from anything that is on the website, and when you're meant to be the administrator of without argument, the largest method of user to wiki communication, being the in-game clan chat, it doesn't shine well at all.

The other issue, although I'm a flat out hypocrite for saying this, is your attitude. When people talk about administrators of the clan chat, these are the kind of ranks that can cause mayhem, and can cause it fast. This is a position of power in which at any given time, you can lose your cool and potentially kick hundreds of members out of the clan chat causing widespread disruption, or messing with other features that come as a part of the rank. At this moment in time, I don't trust you enough, nor do I trust almost any other non-sysop users enough either. I've seen and known you to be trouble at times, whether it's just being a troll, or if it's a heated argument, and when you're a clan administrator, Flaysian touched on this; You need to remain neutral at all times. Taking the step up from a normal wikian up to the sergeant rank isn't a big deal, since the damage that can be caused is minor, this step up is considerably bigger, and there's very few people that I trust to make that step without being in danger of abusing their tools or acting in an obnoxious manner which might push away newer users.

Something else that I want to touch on also, is the fact that you need to stop pushing people to comment on this RfR, it makes you look like want the rank as a trophy, as another step up the ranking ladder. I know I did this on my RfR, but that was because it went over a week without any comments, whereas this has been open for just over 24 hours as of the time I've written this comment essay of excessive doom. Overall, I just don't think I can quite trust you yet with the higher levels of tools, especially considering the non-repairable risks that the rank possesses to the wiki. You need to get yourself a little more indulged in the wiki's online community, make some noise in the discussions, write out your opinions on current RfAs, RfRs, RfCMs, FIMGs, UoTMs, AoTMs. I wouldn't lose too much sleep over the whole mainspace edits deal (Since I'm on like 1,800 edits, with only 200-300 being mainspace.) I hate to have to sit here and spend 20-30 minutes writing out an essay, but Cook/Gaz kind of forced my hand on this deal. RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 01:07, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - To explain my oppose more in depth... What I'm not getting is the whole fact that it is the RuneScape WIKI Clan Chat. How can a user that has very seldom contributed to the wiki in anyway, get an admin rank in the CC? Sure he may be active in the clan chat but what more than that? It may just be my mind set but to me ranks in any part/extension of the wiki should reflect that of a user that actually contributes to the wiki. I'm sure there are players that are in the CC that would be more suitable for CC admin that also have contributions to the wiki. And yes, edits play a major factor in a person's character. All of us have run into edit conflicts, revert wars, dealings with vandalism and heated yew grove discussions and they all demonstrate how each of us handle each different situation in the moment. Chatting in-game may also give hints to the character of the individual but never really reveal the true character of the individual in my eyes, its more of a blind guess as to how the player is going to use the new powers.

Also, from the sounds of comments above, the user displays an immature personality and participates in heated arguments, which therefor hinders any possible way for him to make a fair choice in his position. Also, if you are asking, as stated above by Gradiushero, for other to come vote on this it seems you have the wrong intentions and do not fully understand how things work with "tools" around the wiki.

Moreover, the main thing I just don't get is how some random player can participate in the CC for a period of time and obtain a rank when they don't contribute to the wiki itself, just doesn't make sense to me. Without the wiki there would be no CC. xScoobsx Talk Contribs 07:19, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

They've evolved into separate communities. Some people just aren't editors. ʞooɔ 07:31, January 21, 2012 (UTC)
Others have given examples of wiki inactivity already, so I'm not sure what it is you're not understanding. Trust can be gained through other mediums, you don't have to learn about someone just from the wiki. More examples: Bull on the events team never contributes to the wiki, but we trust him enough to be an active CC rank and events team member. I have never joined the CC, yet I'm trusted enough on the wiki to be an events team member. It's quite strange if you think the best way to learn about someone is to look at their edits. Even stranger that you think you can't learn about someone at all in real-time chat. Considering you can stop and think for a second before hitting Save page on the wiki, I'd say the best place to get to know someone would be in the CC. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 07:35, January 21, 2012 (UTC)
I guess we have differing views as to how each of use judge the character of an individual, which we are all entitled to, so I wouldn't necessarily call my opinion strange just because it is different from yours. I'm thinking where the disconnect between the two is that I don't see how one can become a CC rank when never contributing to the wiki, it is the wiki's chat after all, not just some random clan chat, that's my two cents. I never spend time in the CC even when I am logged in(I personally think it is a bunch of children bickering all the time from past experiences) so I appreciate Cook's comment about the two have grown to be two separate communities. I had assumed that the CC was only used by those who edit the wiki. With this knowledge I am going to withdraw my oppose and be neutral. xScoobsx Talk Contribs 07:50, January 21, 2012 (UTC)
Can I just add, that bull is only a sergeant rank in the clan chat, a position that can do almost no damage if the tools are abused, being a part of the events team doesn't present bull with much damaging material either, he can do what? Change the events team notice to something crude, which will be reverted in seconds thanks to our massive team of wikians? Being a clan admin is a new level, and the damage that can be caused here is absolutely huge, he could kick hundreds of people from the clan chat, he can change the permissions of other people into positions they SHOULDN'T be in, and they can cause damage via that. Being a sergeant and an events team member isn't a big deal, this on the other hand is. So I don't see how that comparison is fair. RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 12:47, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
Bull is an extremely trusted member of our community and has shown himself to be very mature and very experienced. I am 95% certain that if Bull tried to become a clan admin, he would get it, and I think alot of people will agree with me on that. Matt (t) 13:17, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
A year ago, probably. However, Raging bull has not participated actively (or at all) in the CC or the Events Team for several months. To use him as an example of a user that doesn't edit much staying as an involved member of the in-game community = poor choice. But can we please stop focusing on him and the amount of edits someone has, or does not have, and redirect our attention to the candidate. Ronan Talk 13:47, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Support: I've found myself torn between Supporting and Opposing, I think Flaysian made some reasonable points in objection (except for the Edit Count issue (on the most part)), I also think Gradiushero/Warthog made an excellent point with "What would stop a new Admin from kicking 100+/300+ CC members in a fit of rage" (paraphrased etc), Mess' response in private chat has put me to ease on that issue, apart from Flay's reference to an incident involving discussion of a certain Kings of Leon song, I can't really see any concrete proof of actual behaviour issues (and everyone pushes the boundary every now and then anyway. So from what I've personally seen, I support.

Note: re Edit Count comments, I don't think Main Space edits are a good place to judge a RfCCA candidate on, but I would sooner see people making an argument over UserTalk, Exchange and Forum (to a lesser extent) edits, as these would show at least some community involvement/connection with the Wiki outside of CC, but I won't hold it against Mess today, but I may in future. -- RSDaftVader 11:49, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Support: As each and every single one of us know, the runescape wikipedia is crucial/undispensable for most of runescapians, we are a great family, more then just manning our pixels and exposing usefull information for others to enjoy, we talk to each other, we know each other, we are become friends and share time and experience together, far more then just pixels, behind the screen and keyboard we find people, and for that i would like to say that i fully support this aplication in all means. I've known the aplicant for quite some time now, and i can honestly say that i see nothing wrong with this request, be sure this text was not moved by a request of Mess, but my own opinion and thought.

          As for Flaysian's comment i sincerly belive it is completly unfounded, i've never seen Mess display a careless or immature character,and as for any (rare) conflictuous situation i've seen him take a part in, he displayed none more then calm and resolve.
          I do belive Mess would make a great admin for the clan chat and that nothing is to be lost if he achieves   this desired rank.--7Peter--

Stronger oppose than my previous comment - After examining the candidate's behaviour a bit more during the discussion period, he can be actively unhelpful to others in the CC, by telling them things in a condescending manner and/or acting as if the person was stupid for asking a question or not knowing something. Definitely not the kind of person I'd like to see as a voice of the wiki in the Clan Chat.

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12:30, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - It's taken me a while to come to a decision on this one. I just believe that this position could be given to others who are much more reliable. This for me goes to show that playing 4+ hours a day shouldn't be good enough to be given an Admin status. You have to truly be one of the leaders of the clan. And that to me means being helpful and mature under almost any circumstance. You're a good guy Mess; I have no doubt you'll receive Administrative rights someday in the future. Its just not your time yet. Firemaking cape.pngQwert Yuiop8 talk Firemaking-icon.png 00:52, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

I have now come to realise that attaining the rank of admin is now not looking possible at this moment in time. I would just like to say a big thanks to anyone who has commented on this thread, and rest assured that I have taken your comments to heart and will try to work on my flaws in the future. Slayer-icon.png The Mess Effect Dragonfire shield.png 12:39, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Closed - Withdrawn. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 12:51, January 24, 2012 (UTC)