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What about the YouTube Channel?

I relised we don't have a channel. I reckon the wikia should get one, bad. I am happy to do it.

Manyman (talk) 09:13, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Discussion

We actually already had a channel. One of the maintainees forgot to switch onto their own account, posted "fuck you" on a video about religion and it was voted to be closed. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!I have 12 friends. 09:26, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Wow... --Nup(T) 12:19, December 20, 2009 (UTC)
You're the only suspect who hasn't spoken on the matter, and I really don't think it was you, and everyone else denies it. I'm fairly certain I know exactly who it was, but, hey. http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3921/thehimmemote.pngGone. 20:34, December 20, 2009 (UTC)
Aaaaand here's the thread to abolish it. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 13:05, December 20, 2009 (UTC)
To get it out of the way, I only logged in once for a short period of time to upload my 99 Fletching video. Right after it was finished uploading, I logged out without doing anything else, and I never logged in after that.
Besides that:::#I don't watch blogs.
  1. If I had the time to capitalize my sentences and put in punctuation, I would have taken the time to type "1" as "one".
  2. I'm not one to incite arguments. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!I have 12 friends. 20:47, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
Do not fear, I'm not accusing you. I'm 99% know exactly who did it. And if they denied it, they're a liar. But I'm not naming anyone. You can investigate yourself. http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3921/thehimmemote.pngDave Lopo,
Errr.... scratch that, you could just go to the bottom of the page about closing the account for a confession. so you admit it, ey? http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3921/thehimmemote.pngGone. 02:20, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
With all due respect: Errr.... shut the fuck up and don't take me out of context like that. By saying "I did it", it means that I closed the account. Slayer helmet.png 02:50, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
Well, I didn't take it out of context, I seriously thought that's what you meant. :/ No need to be aggressive... http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3921/thehimmemote.pngGone. 04:39, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I am not personally opposed to having a youtube video, we just need to establish a little consistency and hold votes on videos to be/not to be uploaded as well as have a rule that prohibits any personal videos (including skill totals, accomplishments, et) and keep it strictly for community made videos and wiki events. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 13:28, December 20, 2009 (UTC)


Support - We really ought to have one to help with all this wiki crap....but with conditions....

  1. All videos must be first approved by the community
  2. Only trusted users will have the password
  3. All posts in text will be using British spelling (i.e. "realise, favourite...")
  4. All comments on other videos are subject to condition 3 and must reflect what would be the general consenus of the community
  5. No personal use what so ever
  6. Posts shall not be vulgur
  7. Videos should feature a short logo sequence unique of the RuneScape Wikia

What do you think?

P.S. Sorry for posting it up so high lol

Runecrafting MythbustermaTalk   HSCabbage.png<= BRASSICA PRIME

03:00, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Question - How would we decide which vids to put on there? It would need to be uploaded first because otherwise we can't know what's in it... But then it would have to be reuploaded to the RSW channel after it is approved >.< Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 17:08, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

We would vote on the videos on a project page I assume. —Manyman (talk) 01:23, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
But they would have to be uploaded to another channel first. Which would kind of defeat the point of uploading them to the RSW Channel. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 10:41, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Yup, 'tis a shame it had to be closed and re-making it probably wouldn't be a good idea. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 20:19, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I guess it could work... but there needs to be a rule that whenever a video is to be uploaded, log in, do it, then log out immediately. http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3921/thehimmemote.pngGone. 20:34, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah good idea. Didn't think of that >_>. I would do that. —Manyman (talk) 01:23, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

The Problem since some you are missing it, is that we can't see who does what like we can here. All of us would have to share a single log in, and since it blew up before we don't trust it not to happen again. We certainly do not need weeks of arguing over who we can and who we can not trust with the pass, (B'crats are trusted but do they make vids? Jedi is a forum mod but he makes tons of vids, etc. etc.). Many of us feel that while it could be a neat idea in theory, in practice it is extremely likely to be a source of wikidrama, and that sooner rather than later. And I for one would love to see a very very long break from anything that could become wikidrama please.--Degenret01 03:08, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Yup, Wiki drama is definitely for the lose. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 03:49, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
If we get a 'crat to upload the videos it could work. —Manyman (talk) 04:05, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - so we don't have to go through all this again.. Andrew talk 03:56, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I think we should vote on this —Manyman (talk) 05:23, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I have a idea. We simply make a playlist called RS Wiki and the videos be uploaded on other peoples Channels. The account that makes the playlist in the first place could be called rswikichannel and be maintained by one person who is not aloud to post comments or upload videos.The videos could be videos of wikifest's and runescape wiki community events ect.

"who is not aloud to post comments or upload videos" - Is it even possible to disable that on YouTube? Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 17:48, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Well. we would just give the account to someone highly trusted. also. a disclaimer on the account saying:The views of "insert name here" do not reflect the rswiki as a whole

A nice idea, but it wouldn't work. Then it would just be their account and not the RSW's. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 20:37, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - I don't want one.

Bonziiznob Talk

02:02, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Comment/Proposal - Wikia does have a video extension we opted out of, possibly we could attempt to have it re-enabled, but as an administrator only name-space to prevent the wiki from becoming a video host. - TehKittyCatTalk Wikian-Book 05:33, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Mild Oppose - What's the point of having a YouTube channel anyway? We'd need to decide what videos we'd post on there. Maybe advertisements for the wikifest or something? I dunno, seems a bit pointless to me. I don't really think personal achievements should be on an account representing the whole wiki (so that means I don't think 99 skill parties or whatever should be on it), those seem to better fit personal channels. 20px‎ Kudos 2 U Talk! Edit count! Contribs! 12:04, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

STRONG Support - with conditions. A YouTube channel is very helpful, if looked after appropriately. I understand that it may be a problem of "who runs it" or who has access to it, but that shouldn't stop us from having such a useful resource. If a page on the wiki gets vandalism, does that mean we close down the whole project because it didn't work? If the Yew Grove gets posts that aren't supposed to be there, do we abandon it because it didn't work? No, we try again. We shouldn't scrap this idea because of one teensy problem that can be resolved. I propose we make a new channel, it has many uses. I made a YouTube channel for one of my other wikis, and it proved to be one of the best methods to make the site popular, and also draw users to the wiki. We included things like trailers, interviews, community events, music pieces, and of course, VIDEO GUIDES! Imagine how much better some of our articles could be with video guides. Quest articles, with videos to watcvh in conjunction wiith the guide. There are too many positives. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 01:27, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

I don't think guides would be that much better with videos. Vids get outdated fast and people wouldn't read the article anymore. Also, video guides are, imvho, only good when they have a voice, and having your vid rejected because of your voice (which sounds lame or doesn't fit the video) isn't nice. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 15:17, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
Videos do get outdated, but Jagex are highly unlikely to modify existing things we have guides on, such as a quest. The may update the graphics, the dialogue, etc. But they pretty much never rearrange the whole storyline of it. I think it won't make the articles unpopular, because people will read the article while watching the video, to get the specifics. About the voice, we don't have to use audio, we can always use annotations/subtitles on the screen, while may be better, so people can pause and read it instead of having to replay 10 times. Or we could just use a computer-generated voice (but not Microsoft Sam, ugghh) Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 06:42, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
My preference is usually to have both. But we need to get someone with a good voice... But who and how? Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 22:11, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
Nahh, we don't need a voice actor. Text is often used on guides. Fishing.png NnK Oliver (600613) talk 01:04, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

proposition -why not create a youtube group so a wikia member can just add a video if there are in it and to be in the group you must submit you wikia name? this way wikia members can upload videos and a admin can filter them.[[--Super 2k 20:18, December 23, 2009 (UTC)Super 2k]]

Comment - This is kinda late, but what's the YouTube account for? --Nup(T) 03:43, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Slight support - Hmm, it would bring a few new users into the wiki, but what kind of videos would we make? Events? Guides? We could get the community together and do an RSMV? The thing is, if the videos do go bad, what will people thing of us? Swiz Talk Review Me 20:24, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Neutral - Getting a YouTube channel with money making, quest, and other guides is big responsibility. I cannot say whether or not I support because there are positives and negatives out there. Fishing.png NnK Oliver (600613) talk 01:04, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Support IF - It is used for uploading quest, skill, and miscellaneous guides. And not for advertising, etc. Makxtrl Talk 01:31, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Support - As long as the videos posted are decided as a community, and not as a WikiGuild with only a few members in it. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 12:51, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - We don't need one. FredeTalk 15:33, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Comment/Question - Why, exactly, would we need one? -- Username1907 rulez! http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/runescape/images/c/cb/Dragon_two-handed_sword.png 15:35, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

For guides to help people. Swiz Talk Review Me 16:40, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - Per everyone, support or oppose. There are way to many pros and cons to each side. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 16:50, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Soft support - But I don't think it should be for 99 videos, etc., and we should elect trusted users to receive the password to the account. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  03:44, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I just wanted to comment and give an example. My support argument is somewhere above. On my other wiki, we decided to create a YouTube channel (that was when the wiki was dead and there was only 3 or 4 users). We worked together and put heaps of videos on, including some game walthroughs. The wiki now has heaps of edits every day, a good userbase, over 700 articles compared to -50 before the channel and the YT channel has 123+ videos, 18,300+ channel views, 466 suscribers, 320,000+ upload views, 610 friends, and 349 comments of praise. See here. Only success can come from this! Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 06:09, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Support - It would make quest guides easier, but just don't release the credentials to the public... Fletching cape (t).png Masta Woodsman Talk Woodcutting cape (t).png 20:17, January 16, 2010 (UTC)Superplayer08

Proposal

There seems to be a lot of apprehensiveness due to the old account. We learn from our mistakes so that will most likely never happen again. As you can see on the Facebook account, measures are taken to ensure that things like this don't happen. My proposal: we make a new account and channel that is on a, let us say, trial. Only allow a select few users to have access and upload videos. An idea for choosing who is allowed to have access is the quantity and quality of videos a user has uploaded. That proves a user is dedicated and the whole operation will work better if he/she has direct upload rights. We have the choice to change passwords so in the case of a user using it for disruption, we change the password and do something about it. When we open the channel, I'll upload a video or two to show you what can be achieved. Let us at least see its potential before debunking the whole idea. After that, if the community decides it is not necessary or that it won't work well it can be simply be closed. I'd request that during that trial basis we don't hand out the password.

Proposal summary - Open a Youtube account, put it on a week or so trial basis. I upload a few videos to show potential, community then decides on whether to continue use or close it. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 04:41, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Videos to include

  • Official events/Wikifests - Fun to look for your player if you attended, and also shows how great the community is to new players.
  • Quest guides - Using both a video and text guide while doing a quest could prove very helpful to viewers. Some things are hard to explain in text so this would help a lot.
  • Official Jagex videos or commercials - Now I wouldn't do this in the trial period, and we would have to be dead sure on what we are allowed to upload under fair use.
  • Location guides - Just maybe a player touring the viewer around a town or area. Could be very interesting, especially for non-members when it is a P2P area.
  • Boss fights - Just showing various tactics/strategies when fighting bosses like in the God Wars dungeon or Kalphite Queen, etc.
  • Training guides - Videos that show various locations and strategies a player can train a certain skill/combat at (suggested by Telos)
  • Guides/advertisements/videos about the Wiki - Videos previewing the helpfulness of the wiki, guide to using various features, etc. NO userpage viewing, or anything personal like that.

Discussion

Question - What happens if say, a user who has access to the account, changes the password? How could that be fixed? If it can't then there goes our good name. scoot4.pngscooties 04:58, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

You have to use an email address when you sign up along with security questions. I could set my email, and if I ever do go inactive, am happy to reset it if someone asks. And vandals are often unintelligent noobs and the first thing they'd think of is spamspamspam. And the chances are slim, anyway. Chicken7 >talk 05:20, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Question I have one too: What exactly would go on it? All we have are some vids of wikifests. Making video guides would be pointless, to me at least, because we already have written guides, and having two of every guide is just extra work. QITIIZBucket detail.pngrwojy 05:04, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

lol. Wikifests, quest guides, training guides, maybe location guides (a tour around an area)(it'd be a first!), official Jagex videos (used under whatever Fair use allows) and heaps of other ideas that I haven't even considered or though of. Make sure you look at my example somewhere in the discussion above. About having video and text guides, it is not pointless at all. Most human beings learn and remember better from using sight. A viewer can see how another player has done something, rather than a list of instructions. Example: A video could show a user where to step around the booby traps in a pyramid, rather than walk north 2 steps, turn left 5 steps, south 10 steps, take key, etc. When you said that it is "just extra work", you could say that about everything. Updating GEMW is extra work, fixing that spelling mistake is extra work, moving that article is extra work. Don't we want to pounce at the idea of improving the quality of our information and helpfulness? Let's also remember, people search YouTube for help videos, so this is another way of attracting users to our Wiki. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 05:20, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
One thing, do not upload Jagex videos, until the permission issue is resolved. About the extra work comment, I mean that we already took the time to create and update written quest guides. Why should we also make videos too? They would in most cases be much harder to create and update. VTOBBBucket detail.pngrwojy 05:28, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
About official videos, I didn't plan to. About extra work, I know we've taken the time to update and write quest guides and that is fine. Why bother with videos? I said it, it helps. It improves the quality of our information. Some things are hard to show in videos too, so users would probably use the videos and text in conjunction. And no one needs to use videos, text guides are and always will be available. About updating videos, it is a waste of human effort updating if there was a graphics update or a slight change of dialogue, etc. Jagex never really have updated a whole quest and kept its name. Can we not at least trial this, wojwoj? Chicken7 >talk 05:36, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Support/Comment - I agree that it would be too much work to create a new quest guide for every article in video format. Instead, why don't we only create a video guide for 5-star difficulty quests (e.g. MM, DT, WGS, NR, SE, etc.)? We could also do training guides that recommend locations and/or combat gear to bring. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  21:07, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

Reply - Those quests are fairly important ones, so obviously, video guides may be the most important for them. Although, that doesn't mean we shouldn't do the other quests if an editor offers to. I think a lot of users will offer to make videos, if we allow them to put their username/in-game name at the end of the video. I think a lot of users would jump at the idea of their RS name displayed in a video that could become very popular. And I added your idea about training guides to the list I just made Wink Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 03:04, January 22, 2010 (UTC)
OK then, I'll support that. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  04:05, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Support trial - We shall see how this goes, Pending on perm. Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 03:27, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Question - How would we decide which videos should, and which should not be uploaded? We'd have to see them first, and to do so they would need to have been uploaded already. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 14:16, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Reply - I guess if a user is experienced with YouTube and wants to help out, they'd have their own account which they can upload to first. Once it is decided that the video is acceptable, a YT channel admin can download it to their system then re-upload it to the channel, modifying it as necessary. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 12:05, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Support - My main question has been answered. I think that, if properly moderated and sht00f, this can't do much harm, but it can help a lot. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 15:56, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Support Under the proper controls and watchfulness we can avoind the issues of the ast I believe. Lets see how it goes. For touring area vids talk to Boomer , the guy that does the penguin area maps. He has a lot of vids, worth taking a look at them.--Degenret01 06:38, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Support + Comment - I think it would be a good idea, but what about 99 parties? Construction-icon.png Matt is Me / Harmonising / Lvl 3 skils3 Talk Cooking cape (t).png 07:05, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Reply - Hmm, I think no 99 parties. This is going to be an aid for information. We don't want every single users' party vid. What we can do is favourite other users' party videos where they've hosted them under their own account. That way, we are still getting involved with the player/YouTube community, attracting users and keeping our videos strictly informative. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 07:16, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Sure, let us give it another try. I agree with Chicken on no 99 parties though. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 07:21, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Per everyone, I think we should give the youtube wiki channel another chance. I think the ideas about quest guides are nice and the training guides. --Liam - Beta Tester (talk) 08:05, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Awesome Idea......Just plain Awesome. <3  Abyssal whip.png  chronicsin Talk 13:53, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Support - I don't think the incident will occur again. And video guides are great for those who are visual learners.  Tien  22:13, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Support IF - The maintainee(s) are not allowed upload a video of their self or someone else getting a specific level in a skill. Personally, I think those videos are pointless and only gives attention. Fishing.png NnK Oliver (600613) talk 01:12, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Reply - Defnitely not! And I believe all videos must first pass community consensus. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 01:15, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Name

OK, this has been running awhile, and I think it is time to start planning it. A video quest guide I have made is nearly ready, and I'll also work on some other things such as location guides or even guides about the wiki too. I'll use my discrepancy to choose colours, and stuff, but the name deems a problem. For some reason, nearly all good names for our channel are taken. Seems like we have some wannabe wikis! Anyway, here are some options to consider. If you want to search for more available names, go to this link (make sure you're logged out of your YouTube account).

  • TheRSWiki
  • EnglishRunescapeWiki
  • WikiaRunescape
  • TheWikiRunescape

Note: I didn't capitalise the S in RuneScape to make it easier to signify between words, as spaces/full stops/underscores/dashes, etc aren't allowed.

Ideas? Opinions? Queries? Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 08:20, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

As per my suggestion in the cc, it should be Stupidchickennub121536. KMVMEHBucket detail.pngrwojy 08:22, February 15, 2010 (UTC)


I agree, it should be Stupidchickennub121536 also; however, since the name is not there (unfortunately), I would go with TheRSWiki. Santa hat.png Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 08:30, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

TheRSWikiManyman (talk) 08:33, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

What Powers said - Per Manyman. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 08:38, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

TheRSWiki - But isn't "RSWiki" also available? Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 19:47, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

No. FredeTalk 20:02, February 15, 2010 (UTC)
Frown Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 20:21, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Just my opinion on this. I really don't think a youtube channel is wiki like the fact that anyone wouldnt be able to edit the videos like you can with articles. Even if that was possible the last incident shows that would probably be a problem waiting to happen the same problem could occur again as well just as simple as forgetting to log out even the best of us can do that. Having videos approved by the community is close as you can get to it being like the wiki but I still don't think it is the same. It might take away form the focus on the wiki as well the time thats put into making all the quest videos could be put in making better articles and could take views away form the wiki to the youtube page.Those are just my concerns but they may be no problem at all. Dragon helm.png Team6and7 Talk Dragon boots.png 22:41, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

If you think you can improve our quest articles, do it. We improve them to the best they can be, then they just sit there, rotting away. A lot of things are much better shown in videos. About your statement that it is not as "wiki like", I'd agree. But any user with an account is welcome to submit a video which can be reviewed by the community. We should not banish a fantastic tool because it isn't similar to the current ones we have. And we DEFINITELY SHOULD NOT abandon a whole idea because of ONE mistake. Look, someone probably vandalised a page in the last 5 minutes. Let's delete that page because it's a haven for vandalism, or let's abandon the wiki because we get vandalism too much... You could say that's a bit extreme, but seriously, it is very similar. Also, too late, I've already created it and got a few videos up. Lol Just holding off for a bit til it's got a few more. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 05:10, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Closed account being maintained, guides will be reviewed by the community.--Degenret01 23:10, March 24, 2010 (UTC)