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This thread was archived on 3 March 2011 by Amaurice.

Well there seemed to of been some sort of confusion between Cook, Gaz and I so I guess I'll step up and start this thread. We have yet to even organise this seasons Wikifest, and it would be a disappointment to skip another 'fest as it's a great opportunity to get together with everyone from our community.

Past events have followed the same old routine time and time again (meet 'n' greet, costume contest, cabbage bombing etc..). It is definitely time for change, it's been suggested before we make two events, one P2P and one F2P or have Eastern and Western 'fests so both groups could attend and enjoy themselves, but maybe this is against the community spirit?

To-do list

  • Decide who organises the event
  • Decide if we just want one big event or several events (F2P & P2P etc..)
  • Create a unique schedule
  • Find a decent time *sigh*
  • Recruit event mods
  • Make a CC RSW Events would be great for this!

We could do this two ways:

  1. Let the Events Team organise this, we've organised some great events with huge turnouts
  2. Let the community organise this again as it had been done for the last few years.

  Swizz Talk   Events!   18:39, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Discussions

Support 2 - Winters almost over, having as many people as we can organise this would make this get done quicker. I also support having separate F2P and P2P would be a lot more fun too.   Swizz Talk   Events!   18:39, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Support 2 - Per Swiz. (<.<) I think the community should plan how they want their own event. (: sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 18:45, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Support 2 - It's the Wikifest, so it makes sense that the wiki decides what we shall do. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 19:07, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Support 1, Oppose F2P Fest - Having run a few fests in the past, I have to dispell a few of the romantic ideas surrounding the planning process. I wish all this wasn't true.

The most tedious (if not pointless) part to work through is the YG discussion. It seamed to me that whatever I suggested we do, it happened regardless. Consider Swiz's comment, "having as many people as we can organise this would make this get done quicker." Sorry, but nothing about that is true, though the exact opposite is. The fewer people planning the event, the faster it gets planned.

Yes, people did voice concern about some of my suggestions. All of them were reminded of the cold, hard truth that it's not easy (if not impossible) to plan a new and unique Wikifest for F2P more than once without three new minigames coming out every season. There's just not enough to work with. Nonetheless, some people did point out flaws in the various plans I set forth that needed to be addressed. However, it doesn't take an entire community/YG discussion to sort that all out, it just took the one person who bothered to mention it. The reason we have an ET is so we can have people plan events with a few others to keep them in check, because we can't sit for a month waiting for everyone to put their two cents in.

All F2P wikifests are cursed to be same-old-same-old due to a lack of group oriented content. Please take up any concerns you have with Jagex. More people attended the Rev Hunt than any previous wikifest, and the way things are going, this wikifest would have even more. Without need for exaggeration, we would need two clan chats to hold everyone attending an F2P wikifest were we to do it today. The only way to entertain that many people at once is send them all into a minigame like FOG, which isn't going to be a fun event at all. How do we solve this? Break the F2P fest up into a bunch of little events throughout the year, like doing FOG on a Saturday afternoon. The ET is already doing that...

My understanding is that, unlike F2P, there's enough to do in P2P to make things interesting for a large group. Let's go with that. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 20:18, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Support 1 - I'm sorry, but in the interests of time, the ET should handle it. I've participated in community organized discussions, and it never turns out pretty. The ET, on the other hand, is an unencumbered body that can quickly organize this with a degree of success.

I also support a P2P wikifest, since having been to a few F2P fests before, they all follow roughly the same pattern of Clan Wars, Fist of Guthix, disperse, etc. There are lots of good content that we can tap into, exempli gratia Soul Wars, Castle Wars, Stealing Creation, et cetera, that's blocked behind the P2P door. I think it's time that we actually did that for once. (Basically per Stelercus). --LiquidTalk 21:50, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Support P2P Wikifest - F2P is becoming too repetitive, and too crowded. In addition, the "walking train" idea has been almost completely destroyed - we cannot walk through the Wilderness to Clan Wars and FOG anymore, since they were moved to within 15 seconds of each other. Plus, like Steler said, there's tons of ideas in P2P - GWD, Castlewars, KBD, Trouble Brewing, Pest Control, higher Dungeoneering floors, Conquest...the list goes on, and I think the ET should be the ones to organise it, seeing as we formed the team to mmake events, and that's what this is: an event. Real Nub 21:58, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Support 2 - One, the Events Team is busy enough as it is. Two, uh, what Zamorak said. Also, I oppose a F2P and a P2P fest, we already will be splitting the fest into east and west and a further halving would simply create 4 fests with a low turnout. However, I would like to throw out the idea of having a shorter F2P section of the fest and then continuing with some P2P events, thus there is no need to run four separate fests. 222 talk 05:30, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

"One, the Events Team is busy enough as it is." False. "I oppose a F2P and a P2P fest, we already will be splitting the fest into east and west and a further halving would simply create 4 fests with a low turnout." We shouldn't have an F2P fest at all. The only way to make it entertaining is to have everyone play a minigame, as there is no way for a player-made event to handle all the people that show up to F2P events. Instead of having an F2P wikifest that is a string of minigames, we can break them up into smaller, occasional events. Again, we are already doing that. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 19:39, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
What are you talking about? I already oppose having a F2P and P2P wikifest, why are you providing arguments for that point? 222 talk 22:44, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
I'm saying that I oppose having any wikifest that takes place in F2P. Thus, I oppose splitting into an F2P and a P2P fest, because I want the P2P fest to be the only one. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 17:29, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
So you only want a P2P fest? You want to completely leave out F2P?   Swizz Talk   Events!   10:07, February 13, 2011 (UTC)
Yes (and this is coming from an F2Per). An F2P fest would simply be a series of minigames due to the impossibility of making an entertaining player-made event for an F2P crowd of that size. I see no reason to do this when we already have occasional F2P events as planned by the ET. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 17:40, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Support 2 - If it was run by the et there wouldn't really be any difference between it and other events, except what happens during it. I'm neutral on f2p/p2p and east/west.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sentra246 (talk) on 05:51, February 11, 2011 (UTC).

Comment - I'm going to estimate that the planning would be finished if the ET was planning it. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 19:42, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

Well, it seems people want the community to organise it. I suggest we start planning a timetable etc.   Swizz Talk   Events!   12:42, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Planning

Well it seems the community would like to organise this event, and I think most want it to be a P2P fest (unless anyone disagrees).

The usual Wikifest consists of the following:

  • Meet'n'Greet - a nice way to meet the rest of the community, a good start to any event
  • Costume contests - We could still do this, give greater rewards because of free trade, perhaps? Judges are usually bias and people can be sore losers during this.
  • Hide'n'Seek - Good idea, however some people sit out this event, once again we could include a handsome reward to bring more interest.
  • Race (or Train) - This has failed in the past, people often cheat or just don't bother doing it
  • Cabbage Patch Chaos & GE Bombing - A personal favourite of mine and the some others at events we've had in the past. It doesn't just have to be cabbages thought, we could do buckets too. I love the reaction we get at the GE when bombing "wat", "omg its d end of d world", and my personal favourite "omg zezima"
  • Minigame of some sort - Usually Fog or clan wars, there used to be a risk of a revenant attacking one of our lower levels but now with the release of the gaming grotto there's no risk at all. This usually concludes the 'fest.

If we do decide to make this just P2P there would be a lot more choice of events etc. I also feel we should completely disregard past 'fest and their events and make a whole new list but perhaps keeping the Meet and Greet as well as the cabbage bombing.   Swizz Talk   Events!   12:03, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Discussion/Ideas

In the past, we've done Clan Wars and FOG, however I'd suggest leaving out Clan Wars, as it can take too long to find a decent match (last fest I attended, we ended up in a match with 3 people, with multiway off) and the time spent playing is often less than that. FOG is actually pretty decent as a fest minigame though, we can all pile the centre, and given the reduced amount of people there, lag and death-dotting aren't problems.

Now then, the problem is variety, and with F2P, that's near impossible. As Braaaains suggested on the other thread, we could extend the members-only portion beyond a simple KBD raid, and develop a fully-fledged fest. Getting around is nowhere near as problematic, as members can use Teleother and Telegroup spells, and there's plenty to choose from - Castle Wars, Pest Control, Stealing Creation, Barbarian Assault, etc. Apologies to the F2Pers among us, but it's really going to be difficult to add anything new to the fests unless we turn to members' activities. Real Nub 12:17, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, but I don't think there is a F2P part for this wikifest, unless anyone disagrees?   Swizz Talk   Events!   12:36, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Swiz tried to be as discreet as he could in his preference towards an events team hosted Wikifest, so as to not draw too much controversy. But now the community has decided on a community hosted fest. We always end up with the same old structure and ideas because we can never decide on something new; we're always complaining about anything new. About things like the time, the location, the leaders, the running out of time situation. The events team could just discuss it between themselves, and make something totally different. Nothing will be achieved here. Look! It's already dead after 3 days. Why can't we just give another idea a chance? It's not going to turn into some kind of dictatorial parade or something. Geez. Chicken7 >talk 08:52, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

I have to agree. Plus, it'll be more fun if we don't know exactly what to expect. Real Nub 09:56, February 25, 2011 (UTC)
It's clear that no progress will be made here. So, we will be planning this event not as the ET but as a small group. If you guys have any ideas or suggestions please post them here. I'll have a rough draft-up of the timetable ready for tommorrow. The event will be for the west, as the eastern community have been their own fest. And it will also be P2P. Thanks. Please do give us some help.   Swizz Talk   Events!   17:24, February 25, 2011 (UTC)
Does it HAVE to be P2P?? My 1337 b0w1337rng3r|Talk Har har, my wikia bird, T-Hawk! 17:33, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

Well I'm sorry but it seems we have to prioritise our own events over this, so we won't be able to do this. I've done what I can to help this go along but you have to understand I have my own things to do. Someone needs to step up and take control.   Swizz Talk   Events!   11:09, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Individual wikifest discussions can be found at Forum:Western Winter Wikifest 2011 and Forum:Eastern Winter Wikifest 2011