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Note:You can view any wiki in the new skin by applying "?useskin=wikia" to the html. Not anymore. HaloTalk 01:20, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

As many know from the Wikia Staff Blog, Wikia has been creating the Oasis (also known as Wikia and New Look Wikia) skin and is to replace Monaco. You may have noticed within the last 24 hours that many options were removed from the Skin preferences as part of the few wikis that received the skin for testing. The w:c:reddead:User blog:JoePlay/Red Dead Wiki to be a New Look beta wiki|Red Dead Wiki is the first of the Wikia Gaming Wikis to receive the skin where anyone can view, edit, and possibly a bit more of the skin without needing [[Special:DevCookie|DevCookie]] to access the new look.

This thread was created with the intent that discussion will ensue there (for the Kampyle feedback for bugs and comments, the green triangle in the corner soon) and here about what you like and dislike about the skin so that what will be kept or removed later in time within your own Oasis CSS and/or the [[MediaWiki:Wikia.css|Wikia CSS]]. Thanks for reading.

Discussion

I'll assume the NDA is still in affect until Wikia staff say otherwise. So this shouldn't affect anyone without the Beta group right at Community Central. Ryan PM 02:19, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I've got a script to append ?useskin=wikia to all internal links, but it's a real pain to get to load from Oasis. If I find an easy way to get it working, I'll provide it for those wishing to see Oasis. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 02:57, September 23, 2010 (UTC) 

// SkinSwitchButton
importScriptURI("http://dev.wikia.com/index.php?title=SkinSwitchButton/beta.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript");

That's been around since the beta began, so it should work for everyone. Ryan PM 03:00, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but my now-working script is designed to keep the skin as Oasis. That's a per-page switch, which resets every time you click a link. The only thing missing from my script is form submission handling, and then I'm done. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 03:30, September 23, 2010 (UTC) 
Yah, I realized that after I saved the page (seeing as I'm only needing the above script to switch back to Monaco/Monobook to look for bugs anyway). Just to let everyone know, don't expect anything from Common.css, it will never get called in-case you thought it might. Ryan PM 03:34, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
Tlul, w:c:community:Special:Log/rights|Charitwo thinks your a bot. Lulz Ryan PM 03:43, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
XD Surely he knows I have TLULbot though, he's told me off for bringing it into IRC channels several times.
In any case, I've finished coding the skin switch script. It uses the same button code as the script above, but the choice remains throughout the browser session. To install the Monaco/Oasis skin switch button, add
importScriptURI("http://dev.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:The_last_username_left/skinswitch.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript");
To w:c:community:Special:Mypage/global.js|your global JS. I intend to add support for Monobook tomorrow, but I'm too tired now. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 04:13, September 23, 2010 (UTC) 

Comment - I say we add a fully customised, professional RuneScape-themed skin. The ThemeDesigner will do most of the work (as soon as it's globally available), and we tweak and add a new 265x100 logo. [[RuneScape:Theme/classes|All templates can be fully styled]]. Mark (talk) 18:25, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

I agree completely. Now is the perfect time to change things. ʞooɔ 18:33, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
Yah, just after the Facebook "login_status.php" stops bugging me. Seeing as you're a helper Mark, do we know if the NDA is up or not? Ryan PM 19:10, September 23, 2010 (UTC) Nevermind, Susan answered it on the forums. Ryan PM 19:28, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - The new skin doesn't work in Opera. FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU- --Iiii I I I 21:30, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Didn't set it in my preferences. Blush --Iiii I I I 01:08, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Wikia has disabled the function of SkinSwitch, as well as ?useskin=wikia. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 22:03, September 23, 2010 (UTC) 

Lame. I figured something was wrong when some were selected to be beta wikis yet you could switch the skin still on others. Guess you'll have to use the five selected wikis to view the skin then, huh? Ryan PM 22:19, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
Until I find a suitable workaround. Unfortunately, if I release the workaround publicly, Wikia will simply patch it again, so I'll likely need to encrypt the script. However, as soon as Oasis is released to the public, SkinSwitch will be back up and running. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 01:35, September 24, 2010 (UTC) 

Comment -

In keeping with the goals of the new look, our Terms of Use have been updated as well. Admins will no longer be able to completely remove core features for all users by using custom CSS or JavaScript. This is to protect the universal layout and functionality of every wiki on Wikia and ensure that users have access to all of the features available in the new design. Remember, these new terms only apply to the CSS of the wiki as a whole -- they don’t apply to your personal pages.

To give a few practical examples of what this means: It’s not permitted to remove the right sidebar modules, blogs, and image attribution or add a banner that shifts the entire content area down the page, or alter the fixed width. You can still personalize your wiki with different colors and themes, add large, standout images to the wiki background, create styled templates and tables within the content area. There are plenty of ways to be creative! While these terms will limit what you can do to the overall layout, creativity is still an essential part of Wikia.

— w:User blog:Sannse/Important Updates on Wikia’s New Look

So we can't change stuff any more? --Iiii I I I 21:37, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

You further agree to:

• Not intentionally block, remove, or otherwise obstruct the proper functioning and view of advertisements, and/or user interface and functionality by other users, including but not limited to changing or adding javascript or CSS changes to the Service that would prevent the proper display or function of advertisements and/or user interface and functionality.

Terms Of Use
Apparently not. That also means that a fantastically large portion of [[MediaWiki:Wikia.css]] and MediaWiki:Common.css must be thrown out. This may also include things within the JS too. Ryan PM 22:17, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Re:"... user interface and functionality...." - So this would mean no more decorations or whatever on talk pages/user pages that can possibly obscure any buttons. Cool.-- Degen says Unban TLUL  22:28, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - God, Wikia is being so totalitarian right now. I can't express my annoyance without the risk of being blocked. 222 talk 23:51, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Are we allowed to use our personal css to change the content width? 222 talk 23:53, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
You can change anything in your personal CSS/JS, but major interface changes cannot be applied to everyone via the MediaWiki CSS/JS files. I would express my annoyance with this, but I would run an even greater risk of being blocked than you. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 00:33, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
My suggestion is, for every change our admins wish to make to the new skin, we place on a separate page with instructions detailing how users can add them to their custom css/js. Technically that is allowed and within the rules. 222 talk 00:37, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
/* Change layout */
.color1, .color1 a, .yui-panel .hd, .WikiaPage { color:black !important; }
.WikiaArticle { width: 980px !important; }
.WikiaArticleCategories { width: 956px !important; }
.WikiaPageHeader details { width: 980px !important; }
 
/* Remove */
.LatestPhotosModule, .WikiaActivityModule, .HotSpotsModule, .FollowedPagesModule, #WikiaSpotlightsModule { display: none !important; }
.WikiaFooter .share > li > a#ca-watch, .WikiaFooter .share > li img.follow-icon { display: none !important; }
.WikiaFooter .share > li { border-right: 0px !important; }
li#ca-share_feature { display: none !important; }
.tabs-container a[href="/wiki/Special:Following"] {display: none !important; }

If you want to use the space given, minus some padding or:

/* Change layout */
.color1, .color1 a, .yui-panel .hd, .WikiaPage { color:black !important; }

.WikiaPage { width: auto !important; min-width: 1000px !important; }

.WikiaHeader {
width: -moz-available !important;
min-width: -moz-min-content !important;
left: auto !important;
margin-left: auto !important; }

.WikiaArticle { width: auto !important; max-width: 9999px !important; min-width: 680px !important; }

.WikiaPageHeader details { width: 680px !important; }

.WikiaFooter .toolbar { width: -moz-available !important; left: -9999px !important; }
 
/* Remove */
.LatestPhotosModule, .WikiaActivityModule, .HotSpotsModule, .FollowedPagesModule, #WikiaSpotlightsModule { display: none !important; }
.WikiaHeader .banner-corner-left, .WikiaHeader .banner-corner-right, .WikiaFooter .banner-corner-left, .WikiaFooter .banner-corner-right { display: none; }
.WikiaFooter .share > li > a#ca-watch, .WikiaFooter .share > li img.follow-icon { display: none !important; }
.WikiaFooter .share > li { border-right: 0px !important; }
li#ca-share_feature { display: none !important; }
.tabs-container a[href="/wiki/Special:Following"] {display: none !important; }

But it's a work-in-progress. Might not be possible to complete, and former allows usage when the advertisements check box is not used. The only problem is that I'm trying to get it to work with the rail and allow the WikiaArticle to be flexible, but I just keep on hitting a wall. Not sure if it would work in IE though. Ryan PM 01:17, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - You know what? I will express my annoyance, and if I get blocked for it, that would be so fantastically unjustified that I would be glad to leave. The reason for this change is so transparent it's laughable. Wikia wants to make sure every wiki looks the same, with a clear "Wikia" look. I have hated Oasis' poor layout from the beginning — it would work well for the average website, but it's terrible for a wiki. Wikia is forcing this on us purely for the purpose of branding. All good and well for a business, but bad for a wiki. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 01:56, September 29, 2010 (UTC) 

http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=Terms_of_Use&diff=prev&oldid=5011 - Branding, advertisers, profit, and less technical back-end work. There are always other wiki farms, but some already have similar wikis to what Wikia has. Personally, I'll stay to edit, but I am not caring for these new terms of use nor the future removal of Monobook (it's coming). Ryan PM 02:08, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
I fail to see how widening the site to fill the browser will in any way "obstruct the proper functioning and view of... [the] user interface". It will help the functionality, because people will be able to read more than a paragraph at a time. I think that's probably the part that annoys me the most. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 02:24, September 29, 2010 (UTC) 
Actually, no, the part that annoys me the most is not being able to remove image attribution. Image attribution is completely un-wiki-like. Images on a wiki should not have a banner underneath them saying who added them. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 02:28, September 29, 2010 (UTC) 
On that note about image attribution (the only thing I have absolutely despised throughout the whole beta minus the "photo" module, spotlights, and load times) I say we keep it in there and wait for Wikia to change it themselves so a much larger discussion can occur here in the Yew Grove and at Community Central. While we are at it, might as well add:
w:c:community:User blog:Sannse/Important Updates on Wikia’s New Look|Important Updates on Wikia's New Look, voice your opinions at Community Central!
To the sitenotice to get some of our editors to voice their opposition. Ryan PM 02:37, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Ehm, I believe that we have overlooked something...
We will not be able to remove the blogging function. Another thing to ad to our list we got here. As may you know, we have had several discussions on this [1][2][3][4], and as a community decided the consensus was to not have the extension as it would surely lead to trouble, to put it simply. Now, in the comments of Sannse's latest Wikia Staff Blog, there are users from other wikis such as Absurdopedia that do not completely agree with this, among other things such as that that we have been discussing (there's a lot of talk of some doom wiki apocalypse where all the wikis are moving to an alternative to wikia, but we'll discuss that in November Wink). Sannse hasn't replied to any of the comments yet,

Hi all. Just a quick note to say we have read through of all the comments so far. It's getting late here in San Francisco now, so we will look through them again tomorrow and start replying then.
— Sannse

-cough- But I somewhat doubt that they'll do anything by the words of just a few people. Knowing Wikia, they usually agree to do something if you get enough people to prod them with sharp sticks. If they decide to do nothing, I propose that we all go ask Wikia nicely with orange juice and bagels to allow removal of the blogging feature and do something about all these other shananigans, unless they actually consider what the comments say before telling us we're wrong and they're right, hmm? — Enigma 05:36, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Query - Where do we add customisations to now? User:Thebrains222/oasis.css doesn't work any more as my text has turned grey again. And Wikia.css "doesn't exist". Also, auto-refresh doesn't exist anymore does it? 222 talk 09:11, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

It's more or less due to the addition (or in a few hours) of the themedesigner right to the beta group. Ryan PM 12:10, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - There really isn't a proposal here, and any discussion that was happening seems to have shifted to Forum:Wikia's New Look - Logo, skin, navigation, etc. Please redirect comments there. --LiquidTalk 15:47, October 16, 2010 (UTC)