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Okay, I think someone already mentioned something like this, but this has really got me thinking while I walk a few miles home from school now and then.

If we had a wiki newspaper, that could be a rather fun and beneficial thing to do. Why would it be fun? I don't need to answer that :P. Why is it beneficial? Just keep reading.

What would be in it? Hmm...

  • Periodicals (newspaper articles)
  • Interviews
  • Trivia questions
    • Answers to the previous issue's questions
  • Statistics ("We gained amount of articles...")
  • Comic strips
    • Made with screenshots
    • Made with drawings (Coolcoder9t's idea, 18:30, 22 November 2008 (UTC))
  • News about the wiki
  • Upcoming events (if any)
  • and other things people may think up.
    • Stuff about the CTI, GE, and money making (God Of War and Zilenserz's idea, 06:40 and 18:21, 19 November 2008 (UTC))
    • Extra polls (Rendova's idea, 21:51, 19 November 2008 (UTC))

Now let's go more in depth, starting with periodicals.

Periodicals: Jagex covers official news and updates, and we store it here for all to read. But what about unofficial news, like Defil3d 'losing' 272M (It turned out to be fake FYI.)? Those things only get spread through gossip from person to person. We could write about the goingson that elsewhere is scarce to accurately learn about.

Interviews: Simple. We either interview members of the site that would supply an interesting interview, or we could interview someone of interest (say, Kiotomi?) that people would enjoy reading about.

Trivia questions: This would be a replacement for crossword puzzles and word searches that we are most likely incapable of doing. The questions would either be relating to the site or relating to the game. Examples include:

  • Historically, who had the highest editcount?
  • How many users with rollback are there?
  • What message do you get when you try to cast combat magic on another player outside of a PvP area?
  • etc.

Statistics: Essientially, it's just information about the wiki's growth in the past month. WikiStats could be very helpful in data collection.

Comic strips: No newspaper is complete without a few comic strips! These would include a few panels (<7) of screenshots all within one image showing continuing plot, drama, comedy, or whatever genre may be chosen by the maker of the comic.

I would be guessing that a lot of people would want to get their comic in the paper, so there would probably have to have a committee to either accept or reject serieses if that became a problem.

News about the wiki: Template:News only covers important things with a single sentence. The newspaper could cover new policies put in place, RfAs/RfBs (both successful and unsuccessful), and anything else of interest with a paragraph or two.

Upcoming events: Upcoming events (e.g.: a person's 99 party, the next WikiFest, etc.) could be advertized and told about with a short explanation, time and location, and all other needed things to list.

I'm guessing issues would either be bi-weekly or monthly to give writers enough time to get enough full periodicals and whatever ready for the viewing of everyone else.

But what would the cover page look like? I thought of something like this:


[insert newspaper name here]


Issue 1, 1 Jan 2009, 1gp
Page index
  • this is a news story!
  • and so is this!
  • as well as this...
  • Interview with Zezima
  • Statistics for Dec 08
  • Classifieds and comics

Or something like that. That's just an idea of the cover.

Sooo, what do you peeps think? Constructive criticism and discussion pl0x. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 07:02, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

It's been brought up before... and I just don't think it'll get off the ground. We only have about 100 active users here (IIRC from the active user page you started) and of those, I don't know if we could get enough interest to help (especially stuff like the comics).
That said, in the event we could arouse some decent support from the community, I could possibilty help... we'd have to see.
Also, if this does work, I think monthly would be best to start, at least. If we were to gain some steam/have a really busy, liek Z0MG excited month (like, say, December with Christmas) we could have specials.
Anyway, I'd like to see if we can get some support for the community before we make some big plans. --Pikaandpi 16:46, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I support, although you seem to have a pro-Kiotomi anti-Defil3d bias (although so do I). The newspaper should be bias-free, and I don't know if RuneScape and RuneScape-community related "gossip" is a very good idea. 22:52, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Comment, um i think asking for 1gp might be misunderstood as an attempt at real world trading, and we certainly wouldn't want Jagex taking away PvP worlds now would we ~kytti khat 02:01, 15 November 2008 (UTC) lol

Comment - What if we incorporated the newspaper into the Main Page? Rather than creating a separate page for a newspaper, we could "convert" the Main page to give it a newspaper-like theme. Most of the ideas mentioned above can be incorporated into the main page, imo. As for the content creation, I agree with Pikaandpi. We should come up with a list of potential contributors for the relevant sections of the "newspaper".   az talk   16:13, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... I guess that would be nice, but I was thinking (yet I don't think I typed it) that we could put something like "Come read the latest issue of our newspaper!", and then have the reader follow the link to the cover page for whatever the latest issue may be.

Oh, and another idea. If people wanted to, we could have a "featured video" or something, which would be a selected video created by one of our users. We have many RSMVers (me, Danger, Cash, Syu, and more that I can't remember), so it wouldn't be that hard to find a well made video to feature. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 19:37, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

HEY!! This was MY idea! i started an discussion about this first until some damn idiot decided thay want to delete it and put it to some archive!!!

Explorer's ring 3.pngBtzkillerv has entered the building! Cape (blue).png 13:30, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Calm down. You should be happy that an idea you once had has been revived, although you might want credit for it yourself.

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02:00, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, I do agree on one point: There needs to be more news about this wikia and about the community of RuneScape! Although im not certain that a monthly 'newspaper' would be the way to answer this call, something definately needs to be done on this issue, and ill support your cause, so long as it doesn't get out of hand.--Pkthis 02:48, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I am ok with a newspaper but not if it deals with rumors about RS players/ That sounds like it could easily lead to all sorts of trouble. News is good, comics are fine. Under what criteria is it determined whom is interviewed? Another potential trouble spot. --Degenret01 11:08, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

you dont bloody understand instant do you? i started a discussion on this, and then it got deleted, why does the community pay more attention when he brings it out and dosent give any when i do?, im not even a fraction happy about this, god i want to *!£$^ing £$%^& the "£$%^"£$^ing %!"£%$ who deleted my thread

Explorer's ring 3.pngBtzkillerv has entered the building! Cape (blue).png 11:10, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Interviews would probably just be on people of interest. Users of the month could be interviewed, new sysops, 'crats, and then just generally famous players (I already asked Kiotomi and Light Arcana if they were willing to be interviewed, and they said it'd be okay with them.). Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 23:16, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't get it. What kind of news are we talking about if Jagex already has news on RuneScape main page? And where do you find out this crap about players losing 200mil? RuneScape isn't supposed to be a community, it's a game. If you're talking about the WIKI, then we still don't really need it. I don't get what kind of stuff you'd put on the "newspaper."  Tien  17:15, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Jagex only writes about upcoming stuff, new releases, and an occasional notice (i.e. "plz stop rioting kthnxbai"). There's tons of things that go on besides what Jagex makes updates about. Glitches, riots, players' receptions of an update, and even scandalous things a famous player may have done (such as a certain someone scamming their friend for 40M or whatever (and yes, this was after the trade restriction introduction)) would all be things that could be written about.
About the person losing 200M: Defil3d (either #1 or #2 subscribed RuneScaper on YouTube) made a video where she supposedly forgot she was in a PvP world, teleported to Varrock with 272M cash, and got PKed. It later turned out that a friend of her's was the PKer, and that she just edited in the cash to gain attention to herself, as I believe it went.
If it wasn't meant to be a community, we wouldn't be able to see other players. :P Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 23:16, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Support - this is awesome!! Buzz (Talk#P ) 17:39, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Support + Comment - I beleive this is a vey good Idea. If it comes to be, it needs a cool name and a nice logo. I like the name of the Asgarnian Times. Some other good name examples are NewsScape or RuneScape Wiki Tribune or something along those lines. A nice logo would very depending upon what the name would be. Also a nice logo would be made with a good program like photoshop. There could be a voting for a newspaper logo.. Wikians would enter their logos onto a page and have people vote.. I was told that the last logo voting for the main logo was a huge mess but was worth it. Just some ideas I have. --— Enigma 23:25, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I think calling it the "Asgarnian Times" would be out of the question because "All Kingdoms are Equal!" (as per RS:AKAE). Nah, I'm just pulling your leg. There would probably be a big argument over whether it should be named after Asgarnia or Misthalin, though.
Personally, the name "RuKartia" (or perhaps "RuCartia") keeps coming to mind, but that name ... makes no sense, to be honest. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 23:36, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Strong Oppose:Bluntly and without using a lengthy explaination, this has no place on our wiki. The main page template that shows wiki-related news is good enough. If in-game events about players are entered in, then that TOTALLY violates RS:PDDA. A rubbish idea if I ever saw one.
Also put bluntly and directed at Chia: once again you are trying to gain fame within the community by reviving something in possible hopes of being the one who can say "hey, I made this idea work on the RuneScape Wiki!"...No. Just. No. 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko)

RuneScape is NOT a community. Just because you can "see" other people doesn't mean it's a community. Is Halo a community just because you can "see" other players? Multiplayer games and communities are not the same. And no offense or anything, but riots and glitches? My butt. No one cares about riots; they're a waste of everyone's time, and Jagex doesn't approve of them anyhow. Glitches are not that amusing, and abusing them is against the rules, and they get fixed anyway. And if there are videos of famous players supposedly getting scammed on Youtube, then go watch it on Youtube. There's a reason people post them on Youtube: so everyone can watch them.

Ah, I forgot. Oppose.  Tien  23:55, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Runescape is a community because it involves interaction between people. We talk, and trade, and fight. It's the way a community works. You need to be more open minded about what a word really means befor you go blabbing on about something you don't even have a clue about. I bet that your just a twelve year old kid who wants to act like he's an adult. Face it, you've got a lot to learn. Some people are interested in what has been going on in the week. A big glitch, or maybe a small glitch would be like the celebrity talk on the news nowadays. It's boring to some, and interesting to others. StrengthSirf1shal0t]]TC# Slayer 06:19, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Oppose everything relating to interviews with "famous" players. The RuneScape Wiki is meant to be a professional encyclopedia, not a trashy tabloid. I couldn't care less about some careless drama queen losing 40 mil to their own stupidity (yet conveniently happening to have their hypercam on at the time). However, a project similar to the signpost at Wikipedia documenting wiki news and statistics could be useful. Dtm142 01:36, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Support- A newspaper would be a nice little thing to read everyweek while I'm doing a boring skill such as fletching and cooking, and slayer... and well pretty much everything lol. Put in all sorts of things, but don't include interviews from famous people >_<

Strongly-Support Splendid idea! only instead of putting things about famous or well know users why not stuff about the grand exchange? popular items not in the official runescape GE that can make alot of profit or make you loose alot of gp... it could also include popular and contreversial topics like RFA's and things that non-forum users might want to contribute too. The Editor of the month could be incorporated into the newspaper by giving them their two minutes of fame on the Runescape wikia official newspaper.God Of War 06:40, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Sirshal0t, or whatever your name is, I suggest you don't make assumptions about people just because they disagree with you. RuneScape is not a community. Talking and trading may be part of what a community does, but as you said, it involves PEOPLE. A bunch of pixels are not people. Typing is not talking. Trading pixel items with pixel people is not trading. Fighting other pixels is not fighting. You need to have at least a clue about the people you’re talking to; interacting with people controlling pixels does not mean you’re in a community. You need to fix your attitude and don’t flame people just because you think they’re 12 year olds who "blab."  Tien  15:14, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Support- I think that God of War has said it all, I dont like the idea opf Glitches, people getting scammed or any gossip being put in, but the CTI, most traded, most expensive, most profit increase etc from ge would be a great add on. I also like the idea of NON grand exchange items/prices being reviewed. Items such as third age are sold at perhaps 100+mil with junk, usually itemms such as party hats, while the Ge price is only at prices such as 20Mil. We could get these prices from the RS forums. It woukd help users to know the price people will sell items at, when no one ever sells at the Ge, due to the price being too low. If this goes through, and we do have a paper, i'd love to help in every way possible!--SmithingZilenserztalk! FishingJoin the RSWP today! 18:21, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Strongly_Support+Application-type-thing+Comment I like this idea! I'd contribute, I'd write furiously... I'd do anything within my power to help this along! If no one minds, I'd love to write some articles and/or conduct some interviews! But that's beside the point. This is for discussion and comments, right? I think that anything that would be in a regular newspaper or magazine would definitely qualify for content in the newspaper. Thanks for suggesting this, whoever it was! DJ 1337 Man 19:11, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Btzkillerv thought this up first. I just elaborated on it. :) Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 23:28, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Strong Support This, Chia, is one beast of an idea. I'd recommend a little section also for updates not mentioned in the runescape newsposts. Updates like the cooking and firemaking animations, and the many others I've noticed but for some reason can't remember :P. Although I don't really like the idea of following recent scams, shams, and runescape "scandals", alI like the idea of interviewing various people. Perhaps it doesn't necessarily need to be any one particular person, but someone who symbolizes a general group of people. I remember a while back on certain forums reading an interview with a Vietnamese gold harvesting sweatshop worker, which was extremely interesting. Or you could interview a level 3 skiller/mod. You could also try interviewing a rare sort of pker, perhaps a mod pker? <insert luls here> I'll stop flattering myself :P.

But anyway, Chia, if this works out, I wud gladli volunter mi editin skilz b/c i hav xperienc as n editr. I do actually have a decent bit of editing experience, and I enjoy doing it too, plus with all this time on my hands I'd be able to keep on top of things. Stick something on my talk page if you want to discuss this :].

Lastly, there ought to be a section for polls. I know, I know we already have the poll on the main page and the voting booth section on the forums, but a couple polls (3 or 4) all relating to a similar topic (i.e. pking, scamming, merchanting, ect) would be interesting and would make a good break in the monotony of nonstop reading :P. Rendova 21:51, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Comment - I have no intentions of being a "chief editor", header of this progekt, or anything. I just intend to be a writer/interviewer/comic strip maker who's no better than anyone else. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 23:28, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Tienjt0, you said yourself typing isnt talking, so this is not talk at all is it? With what you're saying Wikias arnt communities. And This isnt a professional encyclopedia at all, its a site containing a bunch of info pages that is similar to encyclopedia. You say its all just pixels, which is true, but REAl people are conrtolling those pixels. And why do you not want a newspaper so much? It's not like its going to do anything harmful to the wiki. Everyone gets bored with neutral statments and want to know whats going on around runescape that Jagex doesnt put in the news. --— Enigma 02:11, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

See RS:NOT#BLOG, RS:NOT#TABLOID and RS:NOT#POV. An official newspaper containing this type of content would violate all of these and overall would not be in the spirit of the wiki. An encyclopedia does not need a tabloid. We are not Youtube - Youtube stars have their own site for getting attention. They don't need us and we certainly don't need them if they aren't going to help us write an encyclopedia. Dtm142 00:54, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
NOT#BLOG - To clarify (though it should be so obvious that I don't even need to say this), this is not a blog in any way. People can go to blog sites if they want to read those. As with the content of the subsection, this is not going to be a newspaper about clans and players. It's about news. "Articles about players or clans are not permitted in article space". This would be in the project namespace (something like "RuneScape:Newspaper" (Oi, it needs a name)), so periodicals wouldn't be in the article space (A.K.A.: mainspace).
NOT#TABLOID - First off, a tabloid is essentially a wannabe newspaper that has bogus headliners made to catch peoples' attention. There is no way in Hell (or, Freneskae in this case) that ANYTHING of that nature would be put into this. ("Bigfoot marries Loch Ness Monster!"...)
But in response to the subsection itself: "Information about players should always be reliable" would be something easy to abide by. One of the points of this would to be deliver the truthful news. Putting in something that isn't reliable would make it worse. And with where it says, "Additions that make questionable claims about others should be removed if no source is provided", it kinda' goes with what I just said. Things need to be truthful and facticious, so anything questionable would, once again, make it worse.
NOT#POV - They need to be written from a neutral point of view? Okay, that's really simple. In correlation with what I said about tabloids, newspaper articles would need to be written about the truth, with the truth, and for the truth (is it just me, or did I just talk like a Founding Father?).
See my post with the same datestamp for a continuation. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 02:26, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Dtm, we're on the same page. :p Stuff on Youtube stays there. What's the point of stealing "news" from Youtube and putting it on a newspaper when you can just go to Youtube and watch it?  Tien  13:45, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
See Help:Namespace#Project. The scope of the RuneScape namespace is to include information directly related to the wiki. It is not for content relating to the subject of the wiki. If you look at Wikipedia's signpost, it consists mainly of statistics, admins/featured content, or board/fiscal issues. It does not contain articles such as "Britney Spears is pregnant/Paris Hilton is in jail/Dr. Phil cheats on his wife/Nicole Richie is in rehab". Truthful and neutral or not, that doesn't belong in the project namespace. Dtm142 20:27, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

we could also add a section on popular training methods... or even sports "minigames" which people in the wikia / forum participate in.... what do you think Chia?God Of War 05:43, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Comment

i would recommend naming it the runescape wiki signpost Explorer's ring 3.pngBtzkillerv has entered the building! Cape (blue).png 12:16, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Enigma, RuneScape and this Wiki are considered VIRTUAL communities. Before you say it's the same thing, no, communities and virtual communities are not the same. People in a true community need to be living in the same area and be interacting with each other in real life, face to face, not typing stuff on the Web. Players in RuneScape come from all over the world, interacting with total strangers. And individuals in a community help each other; not everyone in RuneScape or this Wiki help each other. As you may have saw earlier, a certain person flamed me for no good reason whatsoever. Not a very good person to be in a "community," is he?

As with the newspaper, I oppose it just because everything that is planned to be in the newspaper is already in the Wiki in some way. I'm not going to be like, "Gah, this Wiki has a newspaper, I'm gonna kill someone." I just don't think it's necessary for the Wiki to have a newspaper if everything on it can be found in other places. Note that I said "oppose", not "strongly oppose." Of course, lots of people nowadays are lazy and would love to see RuneScape's "current events" all in the same place. >.<

If the Wiki does get a newspaper, I wouldn't mind being an editor. I'm extremely fussy about grammar, and I get slightly irritated when I see grammar errors in my school newspaper. And since everyone seems to support this, I say get on with it! :D  Tien  17:06, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I'm confused now. Are you opposing or supporting? Usually opposers aren't so open-armed about things they just opposed. :o Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 02:26, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Does it matter? Do you count the votes? If so, count me as .075 oppose and .25 support. :p  Tien  13:45, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Comment First off if this gets an ounce more arguing i'll strongly oppose =O. Also I think we should interview Users who aren't well known(like me =P). Ancient staff.png Santairo talk Lunar staff.png 19:15, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Changed to oppose. This is not the aim of the wiki.

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20:43, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Clarificational comment - Okay, I'm getting the vibe that bunches of people are misunderstanding me. It will not be about players. It would only mention players where necessary. If Zezima became an honorary Jagex Mod level 9,000 prestieger (and most definitely the first!), then there would be something written about the occasion. The majority of the other pages would be about things that aren't players.

Who remembers the 2007 Fish Dip? The 2008 Market Dip? The introduction of the private forums? The announcement of a Thanksgiving event? The removal of Wilderness PvP, and all the following riots? The new year? A new quest? An update that received a poor response? The addition of the Air guitar? Summoning being released? Any of the Holiday events? Hidden updates? Sudden skyrocketings in price (Ancient mace, anyone?)?

All of those things would be eligable for getting periodicals. There could also be comparisons (of fan sites (Can we say, "RSWvsRHQ"? "RSWvsHalopedia"?), weapons, types of pures, PKing methods, money making methods, other games, and a crudload of other things), news about this site (*gasp*!) and our userbase, and news about Jagex in general.

Hmm. I just listed like twenty things right there. Stuff about playes would be allocated through them all only when necessary and where it would improve the periodical. I intended this to be our own little 5 o'clock news, not Entertainment Tonight. "Britney Spears shaved her head! Let's make her life a nightmare by giving her unrelenting unwanted attention!" Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 02:26, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

You seem to keep changing your mind. Here you said that players would rarely be mentioned except in exceptional circumstances, but earlier you said that interviews would be a key component of the newspaper. Which is it? Dtm142 20:27, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I believe I meant periodicals. Interviews would, yes, contain players all the time. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 21:25, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Sounds interesting, but as many above me have said, following famous players around sounds like a dumb idea... (Having been famous before, I can also say it's obnoxious to have a bunch of noobs you don't know chasing you everywhere.) Might be interested in doing a comic, but limiting it to screenshots seems to be a great way to stifle creativity and to exclude poorer players (because they may not be able to afford the costumes needed.)

Coolcoder9t 02:59, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Just wanting to clarify, but did you read my comment that's right above your's? Periodicals on players would only make up a [small] fraction of the total news stories.
Yeah, I read it right after I was done posting. That's alright then. Coolcoder9t 18:30, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
About comic strips, how else could they be made (I'm seriously asking; I see no other way.)? It's not like we can use video. Also, I don't understand your comment about some people not being able to afford costumes. It's not like we're going to enforce a rule of what people have to be wearing (though a bunch of people in Party hats with Third Age equipment and Summoning capes would be a nice thought...). Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 06:41, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
There are many comics not made from runescape screenshots. I was considering a mix of hand drawn and screenshots or similar. As for not having costumes, suppose the comic artist writes a story that calls for a certain wardrobe but can't get their hands on it. Again by restricting it to screenshots, it would limit the potential for creativity of lower-levelled players. Coolcoder9t 18:30, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Ah. Actually drawing. I never thought of that as I definitely would have to stick with screenshots. :P Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 21:25, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Strong Support - Why not? It sounds like it would be interesting. People are saying that it's "not the aim of the wiki," but I don't see anything wrong with making at least part of it that way. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 19:17, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Support - This sounds like a good idea and then we can have a thing on it where people sign to see if they like it or not. --Magic 5chidori (Talk)(Contribs)(Edits) Play RuneScapeMagic 01:56, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

As for the policies the newspaper would break, thats exactly the point! People want something different, something informal to get away to. Yes you can go to YouTube and watch the videos, or go to a blog host and read the blogs, but People want it all in one convinient place. Some are whorried that a ewspaper doesnt belong in a "Professional Encyclopedia" Where the (edited out by writer) did you get the idea that RuneScape Wiki was a professional Encyclopedia?! Obviously there would be some sort of notice saying the Newspaper is techically not even part of the wiki, and if we go without RS:NOT#POV some articles may contain opinions. And the newspaper would not change the actual wiki AT ALL except for a couple things linking to it. And if you don't think the wiki should have a newspaper because you dont care about what would be in it, then just DONT READ IT! Chaged from Support to Strong Support (If it makes a difference) --— Enigma 16:22, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

"If you don't like it, don't read it" only goes so far. Advertisments that support macroing and real world item trading are unacceptable, even if they are only in one small corner of the wiki. Some users finding it "convenient" also does not mean that it is in the scope of the wiki. Some users may find it convenient to host pornography on Wika, but that project was rejected. Why? Because that's not what Wikia is for.

Anyway, I think that this would be far more useful as a sister project similar to Wiki News than as part of our project namespace. I recognize that current events in RuneScape's community have their place on Wikia. That place just isn't on this site. Dtm142 20:27, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Not only is porn the polar opposite of the point of Wikia, it is also highly inappropriate and even illegal in some cases. A news system (unless it somehow turns racist and contains porn (wtf??)) would only debateably be 'outside the aim of the wiki'. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 21:25, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
The scope of this wiki is to create an encyclopedia, not a newspaper. Convenience is not a valid justification for violating several of the wiki's key policies. Again, I'm not against creating a project of this type. This just isn't the place to do it. Dtm142 21:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Then where? Where else would a Wiki Newspaper go not on the wiki itself? There is no place else for it. You either support it all the way or not support it at all. Make up your mind and stick with it. --— Enigma 22:04, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking on a separate Wikia hosted wiki similar to what Wikinews is to Wikipedia. The articles don't belong in the main namespace and they don't belong in the RuneScape namespace for reasons that I already mentioned. We already have other sister projects such as Fanon, RuneScape Clans, and UnRuneScape. The only other place it could really go would be in userspace. Dtm142 22:53, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
i throught this up first so i have an idea, this is taken from my wikipedia talk (thank ral for his ralbot)

see, this is an example of awikipedia newspaper, but we can elaborate on this to create a more intresting news thing for everyone to enjoy Explorer's ring 3.pngBtzkillerv has entered the building! Cape (blue).png 19:44, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't work right because this isn't Wikipedia. Just see Wikipedia:User talk:Btzkillerv#Signpost updated for July 7, 2008. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 20:54, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
I have some ideas... There could be things like a Monthly guide for something odd, a sports section, useful Classifieds, and an Obichuary (lol?). And maybe an opinion section that contains what people think about something (I.e., how players feel about a new minigame) And I like the idea of a featured video and image. Oo we could have a RuneScape related crossword puzzle like in an image format. --— Enigma 22:23, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
When are we going to count the Supports, Opposes, and Neutrals? The past few days this is gone nowhere and I think its time to tally everything up. I mean, what are we waiting for?--— Enigma 23:50, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Supports: 9.25
Opposes: 3.75
There are more than twice as many supports as there are opposes. There you go. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 00:01, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Support + Comment I really like the idea of a wiki newsleeter, but I fear it may turn into "Gossip Times", which is not what this wiki is about. I agree with the people that suggest it should be informational about new events and activities in the wiki and it should highlight players that have contributed to the wiki but are not as well know. I think the idea of a vote for a logo is a great idea, but I believe it should be referenced on the main page "Look here for this weeks newsletter......" and not a redesign of the front page like someone suggested. I think discussion of clans and other "Runescape Help Sites" should not be a part of the newsletter because we must keep to this wiki. Chiafriend's idea that it should not be a blog, tabloid orand it should be writeen from a neutral point of view is great, and I believe the same. A poll and trivia section like orginally suggested would add some nice flavor to spice up the site a bit through the newsletter. Additionally, I believe this would be a great place to vote on questions and answer them that are submitted by other editors of this wiki about RuneScape or the wiki itself. I believe interviews are a great idea and the newsletter should be written in a fun way! This disscussion is doing great and I like it that there are so many differing views on the subject of a wiki newsletter. I believe this could be a fun thing to look forward to bi-weekly, just like the selecgtion of the article of the month is! :) (By the way, I put Chiafriends's Count at the top, just because it got lost here at the bottom) Guthix cloak.png Invincibility |Talk| |Edit Count| 02:52, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Comment- Unfortunately, this project goes beyond the scope of this wiki. I would recommend creating a new wiki in the spirit of Wikinews that would allow you free reign over the creation and content of the paper.--Diberville 15:59, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Creating a wiki for another wiki would be a waste of a wiki. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 22:01, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't understand what exactly that is meant to rebut. Interviews with players, comics and other original content such go against the scope and rules of the Runescape Wiki. It's not a question of the merits of the idea in itself or the support or opposition for it, it is that this is not the correct place to create it.--Diberville 17:11, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
The thing is that what you're proposing has little, if anything, to do with the actual wiki itself. Yes it relates to the subject of the wiki, but it doesn't belong in the RuneScape namespace. Dtm142 19:52, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Oppose I really don't care about "famous" players or what they would have to say in an interview. And I've never heard of the 2 you mentioned. Had I heard of them, I still wouldn't care.And any news about Runescape is covered in the updates. Thtas really quite good enough.--Varthlokkur 10:35, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, I would. And I'm sure many other people who use this wiki would, too. That's why it's being suggested. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 13:10, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Partial Support and comment

Runescape wikia is a daughter(female chauvinism much?) of wikipedia, and(in my opinion) should as such maintain a encylopaedia-ish feel to it. Honestly speaking, I would be scandalized if it began displaying :"extra extra xyz has lost 40 mil because he/she went to the corporeal beast with a p hat and was skulled

Barring that,a news letter is nonetheless and excellent idea. Infact, we could make it monthly, i.e at the end of the month, and allow all users to give their reviews on the updates(in addition to the wiki news and events) along with images of the months, etc

and comics FTW!!!!! a runescape calvin and hobbes?......i gotta see tht.....

Nature rune.pngFireyfoxTALKLaw rune.png 14:21, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Comment Oh, annother thing, i noticed that u say we should "talk about players in the most exceptional circumstances" but i still dont agree with that either...... this is a wikia about runescape and ingame content 'and anything else strongly connected to it' which is why i guess we spoke about durial...

but thts not the same as talking about zezima becoming a mod with lots of honours, how does that relate to any content in the wikia itself?Nature rune.pngFireyfoxTALKLaw rune.png 14:35, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Comment I think, that before we try to work out whether it would fit in, as a community there is a need to find an overall project manager. If you want to work to a schedule, you will need someone to ensure it is all published by the target date.

Second you need to ensure that it's suitable for the wiki. A newsletter is a great idea, but how will it work so it is 'released' at a specific points. Seems to me like it's better off on an affiliated site.

Once there you would also have more freedom to do stuff we don't on the wiki. It would still be making use of the talents of current runescape wiki members but be free from #NOT.

Just a few thoughts King Runite1 20:05, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

You have a fair point about the freedom to do as we want in a wiki affiliate king runite, but is it possible to make a wiki jus for a news letter?Nature rune.pngFireyfoxTALKLaw rune.png 07:36, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes it is. We have several sister projects such as RuneScape Fanon and RuneScape Clans. You can request a wiki through the process outlined on that page. Wikinews is an example of a well known news site that anyone can edit. I really think that hosting this on a separate wiki is a far better way to keep everyone happy than creating a far more limited version of it on this wiki. Dtm142 19:52, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Just an Idea, I had fun with this :D, I doubt it will ever be used, just for fun.

--Gertjaars 15:24, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

It's "RuneScape Wiki", not "RuneScape Wikipedia".

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15:50, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Here's an example of an issue-to-be. From this example, 5/11 were periodicals that have to do with the wiki itself. 2/11 are interviews (which, in this case, were of wiki members). 3/11 were news relating to the game. 1/11 was a guide (just threw that one in there). Below, under the main periodicals, were the trivia (all about the wiki in this case), statistics, comics and classifieds, review of the market over the previous month, and poll pages.

If there is anything wrong with it that could use changing ("More interviewz pl0x", "More periodicals about teh wiki", etc.,) just say so. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 02:01, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

5/11 isn't nearly enough wiki related content to go in a RuneScape namespace project. 10/11 or better would be the only acceptable amount. Dtm142 19:19, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
No, that would ruin the purpose of having a RuneScape newspaper. If we wanted it to be all wiki-related, we'd put it all on RuneScape:News. 10/11 is really too many wiki-related articles. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 19:57, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
The topic for this discussion is "Wiki newspaper!", no? There is a big difference between a "wiki newspaper" and a "RuneScape newspaper". Dtm142 20:05, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

It seems a majority has supported the newspaper... if it is required why not take out the whole section about people? if it is needed really badly there can always be stuff about the mods or creators of runescape if somehow you could interview them. I would rather see some things get taken out now to make this newspaper available then to see it not come alive at all... if the newspaper is accepted someday when people are more tolerate and open minded we could add tons mroe stuff... God Of War 23:09, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

That would be a better idea. Even if there is a consensus to create the newspaper, it seems that many users are against interviews/tabloids. But my main concern is that it isn't in the scope of the RuneScape Wiki or the RuneScape Wiki namespace and would be better off as its own project than as a limited portion of this one. Dtm142 00:09, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
I titled this [now quite long] section as "Wiki newspaper!" because I more or less meant "Let's discuss about possibly having a newspaper on this wiki about the wiki and game!". RuneScape already has a newspaper, but, frankly, it stinks.
The general vibe I'm getting is 'make more of it about the site itself'. But as for 91% (or more) of the paper's contents being about the site itself... That's a rather high expectation. I agree that the paper should be informative about the wiki, but another strong point is that 'it would be nice just to kick back and read about things going on in RuneScape from a trustworthy source'. There's more that goes on in-game than what goes on on our humble (Dare we call it such?) fansite/enyclopedia/wiki.
I am not, though, saying we should have more periodicals about the game than periodicals about goings-on on this site. Something like 10:1 in a wiki-related:game-related ratio is overkill. Something like 1:1, 2:1 or even 4:1 would be more practical for making it an interesting read.
And here's another idea: To make it more "scope-friendly", interviews could be primarily done on community members, as seen in my hypothetical issue. But hey, if someone could somehow get an interview with King Andrew the Great [<-- R0flc0pt3r.], I think we would all not want to miss up such a moment. :D Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 02:54, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I think there is a fundamental lack of understanding of the rules of this Wikia here. This is an encyclopedia having to do with everything within the game of Runescape, to the exclusion of everything else. This means no original content. More precisely, you can not create articles or have interviews about individual players, regardless of who they are; any comics or stories are personal invented original content which can not be made here and is a wiki made expressly for that; any opinion or editorial pieces also can not be included since this is not a blog nor is it a soapbox. Moreover, the one and only way that something can be included within an article is if Jagex itself has spoken of it. Any speculation, regardless of how well founded or logical it may be also goes against the rules. Once again, the rules and scope of this Wikia makes it impossible for you to create a newspaper here. This is precisely the same situation as with Wikipedia and Wikinews. You will have to create your newspaper on a separate wiki or website or you will be violating the scope and breaking the fundamental rules and regulation of the RuneScape Wiki.--Diberville 15:25, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't really understand this push to limit the scope of this wiki in such a manner. In looking at the "sister wikis" to this website, most of them are not doing very well and are struggling for content development. I also don't see Wikia limiting the scope of what we are doing here, but rather groups of users who are trying to limit the scope of what this wiki is about. As long as it is related to Runescape in some way, I hardly see this proposal about a game-specific newspaper developed side by side with the "encyclopedia" as anything but helpful to the wiki as a whole.
Comparing this to Wikipedia, one of the things that you need to keep in mind is how utterly huge Wikipedia has become. Creating the specialized sister projects is something useful as it gives a much smaller community the chance to work together without having the "Wikipedia" policies trip you up. Still, I would assert that the Wikibooks & Wikinews communities are larger than what you find even on this RS Wiki. The number of active users simply doesn't justify splitting up the community.
Some ground rules about this "newspaper" ought to be established including trying to maintain a neutral POV and avoiding editorializing in general, but there certainly is enough information that could be gathered together that a news journal could be started.... both about the wiki itself and "news" about the game.
Please don't create separate communities that are essentially "one-man band" projects. If the newspaper group seems to be healthy and could sustain itself independently, by all means let it go off to a separate site. But I say we should be encouraging innovation in presenting content about Runescape and not restricting ourselves to just building an encyclopedia. At the very least, let's use this wiki as an incubator for ideas and then let a healthy project be spun off instead of killing the idea while it is still developing. --Robert Horning 17:01, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
It's not a question of pushing to limit the scope but respecting the pre-existing scope. As I enumerated, nearly every aspect of the newspaper violates the fundamental rules of the wiki. That is the problem and that is the reason it can not be. It has nothing to do with the merits of the idea or the quality of the content of a possible newspaper. It's that the newspaper would have to follow the "ground rules" of the wiki and the ground rules make it nearly impossible for it to exist. And it's certainly not a question of assigning motives of people here stifling innovation. As I noted in my support of the current article of the month here, I encourage people to go beyond the basic confines of a simple RuneScape encyclopedia. But to reiterate once more, this newspaper would be a massive violation of several basic tenants of this wiki and innovative or not, can not exist here.
There are obviously several people passionate about this idea and as long as they work together and create a quality product, then there being on a sister site should be wholly irrelevant to the success of the newspaper. Moreover, not having to follow this wikis particular rules would encourage, rather than stifle that innovation that you believe is so important.--Diberville 17:30, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
The problem, at least as I see it, is that some of these policies you are quoting here are very arbitrary and certainly don't seem to have the widespread support that you think they have. To repeat what was mentioned above, this is the Runescape Wiki, not the Runescape Wikipedia. There is no rational reason to be pushing off legitimate projects that are in support of the Runescape game playing community.
I also disagree that the fundamental ground rules of this wiki necessarily prohibit this sort of project, although apparently both you and I disagree on what those fundamental ground rules necessarily might be. I do believe that an objective and neutral "digital newspaper" could be created and co-exist on this wiki.
You also haven't addressed the fact that the other "sister wikis" really are quite dismal in terms of their administrative support in terms of blocking known vandals, having a reasonable supply of administrators to safeguard the content, and dealing with basic infrastructure requirements... not to mention a basic community willing to create new content. I am asserting that it is premature to take the core group of individuals who want to create this "newspaper" concept and to push them out into forming their own separate and distinct community... which is exactly what forcing them onto an independent wiki does. Forcing this concept off this wiki is essentially telling these folks who are trying to get this idea going that they are doomed to failure.
I guess what I'm asking here is to "bend" the "rules" slightly to allow this concept to exist. Put some restrictions on the newspaper in terms of objectivity and neutrality that would likely help out the newspaper in the long run anyway. At least let the project operate under a provisional status and if there appears to be a strong community that will sustain itself independently... at that point encourage them to set up a separate website. We can certainly debate the finer points of what "policies" and "features" ought to be established in such a "newspaper", but you are apparently dismissing out of hand completely the entire notion without even giving it a chance at all.
BTW, from long experience in working with wiki communities, the idea of a provisional status project building up a community and then going off on its own has been incredibly more successful than having start-up concepts immediately pushed off onto their own wikis. Examples of this are far too many for me to go into right now, but I can give examples of both successful projects and failures to back this up. --Robert Horning 11:12, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

chia why not take out the contreversial topics that some people currently dont want? dtm142 is somewhat agreeing with me that its a much better idea to take them out now and someday in the future when people are tolerant or want it are added. I dont think a whole new wiki is needed for the newspaper. But if the idea does work and becomes popular maybe someday it could be its own wiki. But for the time being it should happen... my suggestion is get the 9/10 instead of nothing... just for the time being... maybe there could be a way to not implement some rules on the newspaper? maybe if it was checked by a few sysops or a crat to see it wasnt offensive or was not neutral it could work... cooperation will be the key to the newspaper coming to "life" God Of War 06:09, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Support: - I think it would be a good change, and add a lot to the Wiki, and give a chance to educate people about the Wiki and RuneScape. PrayerJediadam4 Abyssal whip.png 17:11, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Oppose Per DTM. We aren't here to entertain and give e-fame to "famous players" or talk about clans and what dropped on a slayer mission. This might go over better in the RuneScape Clans Wiki. Karlis (talk) (contribs) 17:27, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Solution - Well it looks like there are two diametrically opposed groups in regards to this issue and I doubt that further debate would do anything except lead to further entrenchment. Strictly speaking, this means that there is a lack of consensus and the project should not go ahead. But. I've been thinking of this situation and trying to come up with a practical solution that all sides would find at the very least acceptable and I believe I have found one.

The purpose of the Yew Grove is to discuss policy. Though it's creation does have many policy implications as I myself have enumerated, we are dealing fundamentally with the concept of creating a new project. This means that the correct place to create and discuss the project is in the WikiGuild. Here, a more open and Socratic atmosphere is present to better discuss the envergure of the project. Now, an argument has been made by the supporters of this project that it's existence would transcendentally ameliorate the wiki and would avoid any serious violations of the rules. If there is a good faith declaration by those supporting the project that it could be successful and follow policy, we should give them the opportunity to prove themselves.

Therefore, Chiafriend12, since you are the one that brought forth this idea, create a "Proposal" in the WikiGuild. Those of you who support this idea, sign on, discuss and plan out the paper. Once you have finalized the scope and design of the project, present it to us. If it is fundamentally egregiously constructed or massively violates the rules, there won't be a consensus and it won't be allowed on the site (basically, where we are right now). If there are minor or moderate problems, then there would be discussions as to how to curb, avoid or eliminate them. And if your project does manage to follow policy or only has technical violations who's presence betters the wiki, as you say you believe would be the case, then this site will have a great new project that ameliorates this site and everyone will be happy. So the proverbial ball is in your court, denizen journalists. Once Chia creates the proposal, it's time for you all to get to work and create a project who's ultimate goal will be the betterment of this wiki. Good luck.--Diberville 02:33, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

You don't need to bold my name just so I will notice it. But, you have a point. Letting us actually have time to discuss what it would be like without people trying to kill it off would actually get us somewhere. The WikiGuild tends to not gain attention, though. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 03:30, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Support I think this could be a good idea. I could help with the logos, templates and other things using photoshop, illustrator and some others.--<span style="background:green">[[Image:Green party hat.PNG]][[User:Crazy_sasori|<font color="white"> Crazy Sasori </font>]][[Image:Woodcuttingimg.PNG]]</span> 14:09, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Oppose If you want a "newspaper," go make a blog. It would be fun but... Go do it on the forums. --Nalyd Renrut 11:44, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Support But with some limits. This is just for fun like a WikiFest. I would recommend that we don't get sidetracked, should just be a small project. Template:Signature/Firzenr 10:57, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

How many users have rollback? Who has the highest editcount? No. Defenitly no. Maybe something like: Whos is the leader of sthe sea slugs? Mother Mallum, how many attack points do you lose when you dring a keg of beer? 40, What is the god of the monkeys? MarimboBalance iz powa!4ndrepd TalkContribsStupid monkeys actually have a use...Jump to the God Wars II! 14:14, 17 April 2009 (UTC)