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This thread was archived on 14 March 2011 by Cook Me Plox.


Firstly, have a look at these two examples of RSMVs (Runescape Music Video)


Original video Original video


Secondly, don't bite my head off for suggesting this, Oppose will do fine if you don't like it...

Proposal

I propose we create a wiki RSMV. Ive been thinking about this for a while now, and while i can see problems with this (which will be listed below) i'm proposing it anyway in the hopes that some of you are bored enough to contribute a few hours to this or there will be some suggestions and ideas that i haven't considered.

Its just that we have not, for quite a long time, had a large discussion or collaboration over something like this. Something different, something "fun", something Runescape. While we remember Wikifest discussions and planning as horrible, arduous times; it was also fun at times with discussions and ideas floating around, along with some in-game co-operation and work. While a Wikifest may not be the best example, its the best ive got...

Now, don't get me wrong, you may find discussions over File pages width or Semi-protecting the Exchange namespace fun. As far as im concerned, they're boring as bat****. It's something that has to be done, not something you do because you find it interesting and fun...

As for the actual RSMV

We'd need one, or maybe even a few editors (Video editors :P) to help piece it together. I know we have a few editors as well as RSMV makers in the community and we'll have to see how interested they are in lending a hand. Chia has expressed some interest in the RSMV in general.

Now, as for song selection, it's going to be IMPOSSIBLE to find a choice that satisfies everyone, so maybe we should just leave it up to whoever steps up as the editor. We need something with an often repeated chorus which we can film as a large group and for the rest we can let people have a line each or so?

I'd estimate that if we got most of the active YG community to participate, everyone'd spend maybe half an hour to an hour filming a couple lines? Something small, probably freedom to choose what to wear, we'll see how it goes.

As a wiki?

Yes, its a bit odd that i'm suggesting we do it "as a wiki" but it's quite general. What i mean is that we do it as a community, we won't technically exclude non-YG editors or IPs but we'll do it the usual way and just not tell them it's here :P

It's weird when you get down to endorsing it and whatever, but it doesn't have to be anything like official. It's just something we did as a group and after that we can dump it on our dead Youtube channel and leave it there to be forgotten.

Issues

  • We're a wiki...
  • Can we be bothered?
  • Don't we have more important things to do?
  • Discussion could be stressful, especially when trying to get people to agree
  • Co-ordinating large groups of people at the same time when filming can be difficult

And im sure we will pick up a few more once conversation over the proposal starts.

Original video
Skip to 1:30
>_> lets try and stay away from scenes where everyone has to be perfectly co-ordinated.


Discuss below (Say tl;dr and i'll kill you >_>)

Discussion

Support RSMV - As Nominator - [Pharos] 10:21, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Partial support - We need some fun things to do. I don't think it needs to be so official. I think that people should just accept having it, then confine it to the likes of this page and anyone who is interested. If you don't like the idea, you don't have to do it. If it's good enough, we can put it on our "testing phase" YouTube channel. So please, don't oppose just because you're not interested. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 10:38, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Support - I like the idea, seems fun. But it'll be a pain to organise/film and of course pick a song...   Swizz Talk   Events!   17:17, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

How about this song? Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 06:12, March 4, 2011 (UTC)
"This video contains content from Sony Music Entertainment. It is not available in your country. Sorry about that." D: this is why I hate youtube at times Korasi's sword.png Archmage Elune  TalkHS Void knight deflector.png fetus is my son and I love him. 05:55, March 5, 2011 (UTC)
Does this one work? Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 06:01, March 5, 2011 (UTC)
Yes it does and it is the best song ever and I recommend everyone watch it just to hear it. Korasi's sword.png Archmage Elune  TalkHS Void knight deflector.png fetus is my son and I love him. 06:18, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Unprofessional, based on opinions, can cause conflict of what is a good song, and would probably end up being controlled by a single user. And all RSMVs are the same; either a guy or group does emotes that everyone is familiar with, saying the lyrics to the song, and some special effects with fancy camera angles... Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 18:47, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

0_0 unprofessional? Could you expand on that? Ofcourse it's based on opinions, what isn't? I honestly have no clue why this is a bad point. Song choice? Nah, just let whoever steps up to put it together choose. Well, yes it would. If everyone decided what they were going to do it would be quite bad. So the editor sets out they're ideas and we modify our own scenes a bit?. And your last point sounds to me like "I don't like RSMVs" so Im just going to ignore it... - [Pharos] iPhone Edit 20:44, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - per Evil LordDarkPhantom 18:48, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - It sounds fun, but the process of picking a song, choreography, and so forth would be tedious and painful. I encourage you (Pharos) to work on it in your userspace and let anyone interested get involved instead. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 19:31, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

I'd like to point out that I'd be interested in participating, I just don't want it to be an official wiki thing that takes place on the YG. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 10:22, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I don't know if I'm grateful or disappointed that this is about a music video. That said, I don't think it would be that difficult to pick a song and plan the choreography, and, unless you plan on having multiple users do the same thing in unison, it shouldn't be too difficult to adjust the clips of video to lengths and speeds that fit the music... and "tl;dr" in no way describes this thread. Leftiness 19:58, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

I like it Plan it out man, let me know if I can help. Just consider the opposers list as people who will not be participating. Once the vid is made we can try at that time to get it on our Wiki channel.--Degenret01 01:14, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

I would say that unless there are legitimate reasons why it should not be done altogether rather than reasons for individuals' lack of interest or will, we should totally go along with this. It should be a lot of fun to do as a community, and I would nominate myself as a/the filmer and editor for this project considering my experience making RSMVs. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 02:16, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

I'd back that nomination. --Callofduty4 03:15, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Make it - Yeh make the video and find out who wants to be involved. Then after the video has been finished show the finished video here or somewhere so people can see it and if we like it we can make it official. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 06:12, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I'm going to have to agree with the others and say it would be better done in someone's userspace. When making videos, having one person in charge is usually the best as people have different opinions over songs and etc... I think it would be beneficial to everyone if one person manned it in his or her userspace rather than have huge arguments on the YG. Lots of people already appear eager to help take part in it if it's run in someone's userspace. (: sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 20:49, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Sounds like a nice idea, but a lot of thought would need to go into this. However I don't think that should hold us back. --Callofduty4 03:15, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Hmmm, the main point ive heard is that people don't want it to be a wiki thing/YG. There's also concern about huge discussions/arguments over it?

Well, the reason i brought it up here is because i have ABSOLUTELY no skill at creating or editing videoes but i still thought this would be a great project to collaborate on as a community. If someone wants to start this in their userspace, feel free to. But if we really don't want to do it here, just forget about it then. I might do one in my userspace in the holidays.

As to the second point, i think ive found a type of song we could do. Its a "music mashup", having a mental blank on the proper term for it but meh. The example below is one by Dj Earworm. The reason i think this is the way to go is, we don't have to agree on one song genre, one filming syle or or one scene to stick to (if that makes any sense). Everyone can choose EXACTLY how they want to do their scene and do it without stuffing up the rest of RSMV if they do it differently. Then, the editor can take all the clips and add the effects afterwards to sync it up a bit.

What the hell are you talking about, you ask? Have a look at one of these to see what i mean.
Original video Original video

From the video, it appears that several groups or people have individually made their own scenes and one person has put them all together and added the "mashup" song. This sounds a million times easier to do, considering we each have different views on how it should be done and many of us have clashing timezones, making it hard to be inagme at the same time. A few lessons on how to set up a screen recorder (like Hypercam or Camstudio) may be necessary for anyone who wants help out and be in it though ;) - [Pharos] iPhone Edit 04:26, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

The idea of collaborative editing does sound interesting, as it would make the video's style itself more diverse and give off more of a sense that it truly is a collaborative community effort, but I'm not aware of any other good mashups besides DJ Earworm's that we could use (dozens of DJ mixes come to mind but those are ten minutes at the shortest) and I'm personally not too fond of confining ourselves to Top 40. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 07:32, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Tl;dr Comment/Supporting support - Do one or two as trials, and, assuming how well they turn out, more can be made, I'd imagine RSMVs have a decent fan base attached to them, making them would possibly draw more people to the wiki and most likely the people involved in making it will be having fun, win/win. While I am not good with editing videos, I will help if I can per degen. Korasi's sword.png Archmage Elune  TalkHS Void knight deflector.png fetus is my son and I love him. 05:55, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Support Collaborative Project - I think people should send in clips they've filmed and edited to someone in charge to put all the clips together. I've got some editing programs which I'm semi-decent on but no really good filming software but I'd still be able to help.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Swizzl3d (talk).

Conditional support - do a trial first, as Jim teh Mage suggests, to see how it goes. Smithing 02:51, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - If we can get 3-10 contributors to this we can move this to someone's, Chia's perhaps, namespace and start getting people to send in their clips. Do we have a rough idea of who can film and edit decent clips?   Swizz Talk   Events!   10:17, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Although individual scenes will be easier and less stressful, big scenes encourage that we are a community, all together. And at least we are all working together. Plus, how do the people know what to actually record themselves doing exactly? I think there should just be a mix. I'm in a musical, and when we do a song, the chorus starts it, the soloists go in the middle and do their special stuff then the whole group finished it off together. We should follow that: everyone at start, individuals in middle, everyone at end. Smile Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 12:30, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Ahh What? - Few things
1)It's going to be hard to choose a song that we all like. (Apart from that excellent song above or this one.)
2)Timing. People are in different time zones
3)Trolls and Arseholes and Randoms. Just like Wikifest!
4)tl;dr Lag issues.
For these reasons I am Oppose Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 03:51, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

Doesnt "editor chooses + collaboration scenes" make the first two acceptably easier?
3) Ok, good point :P
4) could you elaborate on this one? - [Pharos] iPhone Edit 04:58, March 7, 2011 (UTC)
3) we could attempt to avoid through low activity worlds, and places far from anywhere interesting. Anyway, a couple of people are inevitable. 4) Lag isn't much of a reason. The person who films can be someone who has a computer that can cope with the stress. Let's just do it, see how it goes, and if it's a disaster, we'll forget about it. Chicken7 >talk 10:18, March 8, 2011 (UTC)
The lag issue means that players can disconnect at annoying times like in the middle of a part or screw up a move with it Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 08:18, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - The Chicken likes andorin just make the wikia... per evil --Cakemix 10:22, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

Please only comment/oppose if you have something useful to say. Right now, your oppose carries literally no weight. Chicken7 >talk 10:18, March 8, 2011 (UTC)
Fine there Cakemix 10:22, March 8, 2011 (UTC)
Good. A "per" vote does indeed carry a lot of weight in the discussion. It adds more reasons to the discussion. HeartXD JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 12:51, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

Support - I think this would be something fun/extra for us to make. Farming cape (t).png Lil cloud 9 Talk 10:07, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Even if this proposal doesn't pass, could we do this in someone's userspace, Chia's perhaps? I've already started working on a few clips D:   Swizz Talk   Events!   19:49, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

That's fine with me. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 01:06, March 9, 2011 (UTC)


Blind support - I don't see how this can hurt; those who wish to partake may do so, and those who do not do not have to. Nobody's being forced here, it's just a group of dedicated players willingly coming together to do something for the community. There may be effort involved, but of course, over time, it's been quite obvious the things worth doing are worth a little effort. Just my say. - Fruit.Smoothie 02:58, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - The project will be done in Chia's userspace. ʞooɔ 23:25, March 14, 2011 (UTC)