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This thread was archived on 4 April 2010 by Calebchiam.

Is it just me or is the confusion about WikiGuilds, projects, and officiality frustrating and ultimately takes away from the wiki as a whole. I'd like to make some proposals to help clarify what projects and wikiguilds are, and how they become "official". My aim is to reduce the amount of facepalming that may or may not be happening.

To start, I think that WikiGuilds and Projects are very similar concepts that can be included together. Both are aimed at connecting editors that want to work together on a project that will help the wiki as a whole. Merging these two groups, will allow for easier access to all of the current projects/guilds that are active throughout the wiki. Personally I prefer the term WikiGuild since it's more RuneScape-y and just sounds more cool, but if we want to call it a WikiProject, that's ok too.

Nextly, I think the concept of "being official" doesn't really fit with the true spirit of a guild/project. To me, the more important description is whether or not the project is active. Currently, WikiGuilds have the indication that a proposal becomes "active" as soon as 5 or more editors have expressed interest in it. I think that this would be an effective, simple, and straightforward way to manage guilds/projects. We just haven't been using it since the Varrock Cleaners was proposed. I think we should go back to this outline. If a guild/project get the interest of 5 or more editors within the month it was proposed, it becomes "active". I also think we should have limit on active guilds/projects so that when they become inactive (or are completed) that is recognized and they are removed from the active list.

That being said I'd like to make the following 4 proposals. Feel free to add any other relevant or alternative proposals that will help clarify guilds, projects, and their status.

  1. Merge RuneScape:Projects with RuneScape:WikiGuild making the active projects, active WikiGuilds
  2. Move the successful proposals (5 or more editors interested) to the active WikiGuild list. These are: Varrock Cleaners, Exchange Patrol, RuneScape Wiki Newspaper, and NPC Store Survey
  3. Archive the proposals that haven't gotten enough support (5 interested editors within a month). These are: Stories of lore, FAQ's, Money Method Metric (sorry, these didn't make the cut).
  4. Add a condition that any WikiGuild that hasn't had any activity in the past 6 months (or has been deemed completed) will be archived, but may be reinstated through another proposal.


Support 1-4 - I think these proposals will make the process of creating a WikiGuild simple so we can be bold and get on with implementing our ideas. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 23:57, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Pending - I'm not sure what to think of this at the moment. — Enigma 03:11, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Strong Support all - The WikiGuild and Projects are similar so I think they deserve to be merged. I also think it's a bit dumb how we have to go through an officialisation process (it would be much easier to, as you suggested, have a system in which projects are approved based on activity), so I support that too. Also per Tollerach. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  04:46, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Support - Serenity prevails, after all. This proposal is more convienent, making it easier for general understanding & ease-of-use. Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 15:39, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Support - However, I don't think we should have a max number running at a time. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 17:45, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Support/Commentary - It is about bloody time! This is what I was trying to say earlier in my lack of support for the story survey guild going official or the lack thereof. I'm not entirely sure what we should do in terms of where we move the "main" project page for each one of these projects/guilds. Part of the discussion earlier is that the proposal page also turned out to be the defacto organization page that also included links to all of the rest of the content associated with that Wikiguild. I would propose that some kind of portal page be set up in the format: [[Runescape: Wikiguild <project name>]] for all projects to work off from, and remove the word "proposed" from any page link. The proposals themselves are fine, but we need to create new portal pages for all of the projects as they currently exist. It is that action that should be official.

As for links on the sidebar, perhaps the Wikiguild ought to be placed below "community" and an array of sub-links to each of the currently active wikiguild projects ought to be listed. This doesn't give any undo prominence of any particular project, but would let the casual visitors to this wiki be able to navigate to these projects and let them know that they exist. Otherwise, I agree with the above statements and strongly support the merger of the two kinds of project name types into a unified "Wikiguild" arrangement. --Robert Horning 20:30, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Support - Per everything Robert said. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 07:54, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Neutral - I know somewhere I said that I wanted WikiProjects to be incorporated into WikiGuilds, but they are a little different. WikiGuilds seem to be actual "projects". Sometimes they aim at a certain "genre" (don't know if that is the right word) of articles, but other times they aim at all articles but want to only edit part of it. Say the Varrock Cleaners; it aims to cleanup articles and small errors, etc. This is not directed at mining, or shops or whatever. And the RSW Post WikiGuild, that doesn't cover any mainspace articles! I like the ideas, maybe just unsure about joining them. I also support not having to put things into proposal. Also, this is not opposition. So if no one replies to my comments and people want this closed, you can disregard this. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 10:37, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - and why was RuneScape:Projects even created. The other discussion was not finalised/reached consensus. There are unanswered questions and users who find it unclear. Chicken7 >talk 10:41, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Wherefore art thou, my cabbage? Er, I mean, Support all - Per above. --

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17:49, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Concept page - Check out RuneScape:WikiGuilds to get an idea of how the new WikiGuild concept will look. This is a rough draft so feel free to edit, improve, and clarify. Thanks, Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 05:49, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

The new draft looks good. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  20:19, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Strong Support 1-4 - Great ideas, Tollerach. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 22:55, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Support - Makes it neater. --Nup(T) 14:42, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Is there a difference between RuneScape:WikiGuild and RuneScape:WikiGuilds? White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 18:51, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

The plural one is just a preview of how WikiProject and WikiGuild would be merged if this passes. The singular one is the original WikiGuild page. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 01:12, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Support - Per all support so far. - TehKittyCatTalk Wikian-Book 03:21, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Support - Eh, sure, why not. --Fruit.Smoothie 06:53, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - *checks calendar* It looks like there's been no addition to this discussion for two months. I hate to see a perfectly good discussion go to waste, so what we gonna do? 14:00, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Request for closure - There seems to be generally support here. Can we make the changes now? White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 14:32, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

ummm uh yea i guess can i go ahead? 07:08, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - We will be implementing the proposed changes. C.ChiamTalk 07:37, April 4, 2010 (UTC)