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This thread was archived on 31 August 2010 by Wowbagger421.

It has come to my attention recently that there is no set way of using links in an article. Actually, the result looks pretty yucky. From the Staff of light article,

The '''Staff of light''' is a unique drop from [[Ice strykewyrms]]. It is a one-handed magic staff requiring 75 Attack and 75 Magic to wield. The staff of light can be used as a [[Slayer staff]] to cast the [[Magic Dart]] spell.

As you can see, there is much variation within the capitalization of the links in the article, which makes it look bad. (E.G. Ice strykewyrms, then Magic Dart.)

I have outlined some proposals for ways of fixing this below.

Proposal 1

If Jagex wrote the article, it would look like this:

The '''staff of light''' is a unique drop from [[ice strykewyrms]]. It is a one-handed magic staff requiring 75 Attack and 75 Magic to wield. The staff of light can be used as a [[slayer staff]] to cast the [[magic dart]] spell.

Jagex does capitalize some nouns, such as Easter or Gielinor (spellfail).

Proposal 2

Jagex is weird though; they don't follow the laws of English. Because each of the links is referring to something, the links to articles (and titles of articles) would need to be changed as follows:

The '''Staff of Light''' is a unique drop from [[Ice Strykewyrms]]. It is a one-handed magic staff requiring 75 Attack and 75 Magic to wield. The Staff of Light can be used as a [[Slayer Staff]] to cast the [[Magic Dart]] spell.

Either way, we shouldn't keep links with the first letter of the link capitalized in articles. That is not correct, and just looks weird. Please comment below. Ajraddatz Talk 18:51, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

Support #1 - Per Jagex. Ajraddatz Talk 18:51, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Use in-game capitalisation - Which is usually "Staff of light", only capitalising the first word. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 19:27, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

It only does that because it is the start of a new sentence. If you look at a Jagex update, you will find that it uses no caps (except for certain nouns, because they all technically are) Ajraddatz Talk 19:50, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

In-game name for article titles, proper name elsewhere - Take Helm of neitiznot as an example. The in-game name of items is restricted so that the first character is always capitalized and the others are always lowercase. Thus, the N in neitiznot is lowercase. As such, the article title is Helm of neitiznot.

However, with article bodies, we have more freedom of words. Since it is obvious that Neitiznot is a place, and as a proper noun should have the N capitalized, in all the articles on the wiki the helm is referred to as the Helm of Neitiznot. Since that is what already exists for many other items (Mask of dragith nurn for example), it would be easy to follow this same logic for the entire wiki. Just use the proper name (with appropriate capitalization) for links, and redirect that page to the appropriate article title. --LiquidTalk 00:13, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Mmm, that is what I was suggesting in proposal 2 (well, the second half). I don't understand why Jagex doesn't use proper stuffs, but we should (in articles and not titles, at least). I also agree with keeping the titles the same as in RS, I guess. Ajraddatz Talk 00:17, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
So you guys mean that the first letter and then every first letter of a proper noun is capitalised? LordDarkPhantom 17:52, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Just thought I'd let you know that all spells have all the words capitalised, as far as I know. That is why it is Magic Dart, rather than magic dart or Magic dart. Chicken7 >talk 00:50, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, spells are capitalized like titles- "Bones to Bananas" and "Tele Group Moonclan." Suppa chuppa Talk 07:34, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Did you mean to put Staff of zlight in proposal 2? --Iiii I I I 00:54, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

No, lol. Ajraddatz Talk 01:07, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
So Proposal 1 is all lowercase links, unless the in-game name is capitalised? --Iiii I I I 01:11, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
Yes; proposal 1 follows Jagex. Jagex does not capitalize the first letter of everything unless it is by itself, or at the start of a sentence <-- Popular misconception. Proposal 2 uses proper English capitalization. Ajraddatz Talk 01:14, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
Support first proposal - Aaaaaaaa --Iiii I I I 01:17, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - The main issue here is really that we need to decide on some uniform design. Especially; do we capitalize all nouns, or don't we. Ajraddatz Talk 01:07, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

In-game names- For example i created the Kharidian cactus (healthy) page then realised the h in healthy is a captial so i moved but but it got moved back. Just my 4 cents. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 01:16, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Whoever moved it back was in the wrong. Certainly for as long as I have been around here (nearly three years) the policy has been to have article names reflect the in-game name. If the H is capital in-game, it should be capital in the article title here, and should be capital in any links to it. Leevclarke talk Max_logo_mini.png bulldog_puppy.png 01:28, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Is this going to be added to RS:STYLE? --Iiii I I I 01:19, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Mmhmm. Well, it should be. Ajraddatz Talk 01:19, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - To reiterate this once again, contrary to popular believe, in-game names do not always start with a capital! They only do if they are by themselves, or at the start of a sentence. Bear this in mind. Ajraddatz Talk 01:20, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Support #2 - Normal English capitalization, capitalizing all words: Staff of Light, not Staff of light, but not Staff Of Light either.Balance iz powa!4ndrepd TalkContribsStupid monkeys actually have a use...Jump to the God Wars II! 15:07, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Therein lies the problem with "normal English". It is "the" Staff of Light if it is a unique artifact, and "a" staff of light if there are many of them (even this is simplifying, Jennica's Ring would be a unique object, but the ring belonging to Jennica could be still unique, but known as Jennica's ring, in the former case we could say Jennica's Ring is Jennica's ring - hence the lower case version is usually good English even if the upper case one is too). With RuneScape the status of an item, and hence whether its name is a proper noun or not is even more vague than RL, since many things are nominally unique (Jennica's ring for example) but can be owned in multiples through the drop-trick, are "re-obtainable" and of course many players have one. My preference is for using lower case where it is valid English, and for item names I would follow in game and Jagex usage, subject to what we know about the limitations they are working under. Remember also, redirects are cheap. Rich Farmbrough, 20:05 14 April 2010 (GMT).

Comment - Anyone else have an opinion on this? Ajraddatz Talk 19:29, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Use proper grammar per all. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 20:34, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I have noticed this as well. I fix it whenever I see it, and hopefully others do the same. HaloTalk 20:37, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

This should be obvious Text in articles should read like proper sentences, and the inclusion of links should not make a difference to capitalisation. The idea of capitalising all nouns is ludicrous. If in the middle of a sentence you have something like "drop from ice strykewyrms" then the only factor that makes a difference is the capitalisation used in article titles (which should be exactly the same as the in-game name). If the article being linked to uses title case (such as "Ice Strykewyrms") then this should be used in the link. If the article title uses sentence case (such as "Ice strykewyrms") then the link should not use any capital letters. The I of "Ice" is capitalised only because it is the name of the article, and when linking to it, it should only be capitalised if it is at the start of a sentence. Notice also that the article name is "Ice strykewyrm", not "Ice strykewyrms", and the S on the end should not be used in the link. The "Ice strykewyrms" article is a redirect, and generally we should not be linking to redirects. So in this case the link should be "drop from [[ice strykewyrm]]s" or (as some people prefer to use full piped links) "drop from [[Ice strykewyrm|ice strykewyrms]]". Anything else is bad practice, and is one of the things I routinely fix myself. Leevclarke talk Max_logo_mini.png bulldog_puppy.png 01:22, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, but there are exceptions such as "Jennica's ring" (which I assume is the correct capitalisation used in-game). Clearly this means "the ring belonging to Jennica", and Jennica is a proper noun (therefore should always have a capital initial). Again, I think this is obvious. Other potential exceptions should be discussed on the article's talk page on a case-by-case basis. Leevclarke talk Max_logo_mini.png bulldog_puppy.png 01:27, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
That's proposal 1 :3 ajr 01:28, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
No it isn't. ;-) Proposal 1 includes "The Staff of light", which should be "The staff of light". "Staff" here should only be capitalised if at the start of a sentence, which it isn't. Notice also that the first mention of the article's title in the article (which is emboldened) has a capital first letter only. I was told long ago that this is accepted practice on this wiki (which goes against Wikipedia's policy, incidentally), so that is what I have been doing. I should have mentioned that as another exception. :-) Leevclarke talk Max_logo_mini.png bulldog_puppy.png 01:32, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
No.... proposal 1 is the one below the proposal 1 header... ajr 01:39, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
Heh, actually, that was my fail. The S shouldn't be cap'd there. What you are saying is proposal 1, or rather what proposal 1 should be ;) ajr 01:39, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support #1 - Looks better by far. It is ugly When words inside a Sentence suddenly have Capital letters in front. As in proposal 1, skills should be capitalised, however I would much prefer if the spell (magic dart) was capitalised. Basically, I would prefer all items and monsters to be lowercase and the rest, such as skills, spells, prayers, capitalised. LordDarkPhantom 17:52, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Comment and Support Proposal #1 - Use common sense as well as standard grammar. 222 talk 07:28, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

That's proposal #1. ajr 14:17, July 4, 2010 (UTC)
It is? Not my definition of common sense, but close enough. 222 talk 00:48, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Proposal 1 - I've seen a lot of pages that have discrepancies between the two styles, but I prefer the first one. Farming cape (t).png Lil cloud 9 Talk 16:05, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

This request for closure was denied A user has requested closure for Wiki-linking issues. Request denied. The reason given was: Withdrawn

222 talk 02:25, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

That reason for closure makes no sense. If people were using common sense, then there wouldn't be an issue and I wouldn't have started this forum. I'd like to request closure and use proposal 1, since there is consensus to use it. ajr 19:25, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
You said that proposal one was basically common sense! 222 talk 06:09, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Support 1 - I've noticed the lack of consistency in capitalization, and it's been bothering me for a while. As stated above, all rules of English grammar should be followed. Exceptions would obviously be for skills and when the in game name has capitalization, such as prayers and spells, and for certain monsters, like the Corporeal Beast. As for the beginning of the article when the title is first mentioned in bold letters, it's probably okay to capitalize to first letter, such as "The Staff of light." That one doesn't bother me as much for some reason. Suppa chuppa Talk 07:31, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Request for closure - We have reach consensus, it seems, that #1 should be used. But since I'm involved (and proposed this), I can't close it. ajr 14:43, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Not really, there isn't enough support for proposal one to close it as that. --LiquidTalk 15:44, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - Issue is non existant. Only proper nouns should be capitalized. Whether or not the word is a link is irrelevant. --Wowbagger421 02:00, August 31, 2010 (UTC)