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First section complete, go to next section for discussion please

I had thought we agreed a couple months ago to not use spolier warnings on quest guides, pretty much because that is what a quest guide is. The whole thing is a spolier yes? So why are they back, and what do we have to do to keep them off of quest guides?

Spoiler alert!!! lol, I just had to do it, sorry Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 19:53, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I am strongly in favor of using them on other pages when certain information will be revealed. Such as on Duradels page have the warning in place before we reveal he dies in While Guthix Sleeps, and anything else of that nature.


Proposal one- Keep them off quest guides.

Proposal two - keep in other places where information gets revealed. --Degenret01 06:11, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Link to discussion - RuneScape:Requests for deletion/Template:Quest spoiler.

Discussion

Support 1 and 2 as nom.--Degenret01 06:11, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support - I recall it being discussed, too. Maybe some people don't know about it. I will try to find a link. AHXQFBucket detail.pngrwojy 06:15, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Found it. JADCXBucket detail.pngrwojy 06:19, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support - We also had this discussion before at the Yew Grove. --Quarenon  Talk 06:24, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support - It is stupid to have them on quest guides. It's sensible, however, to put them on Duradel, Lapalok, Betrayal at Falador, etc. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  07:25, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support 1, Question about 2 - Where do we draw the line for what should have spoiler policies?? WGS is over 16 months old, yet it is still classed as a spoiler when someone dies, which doesn't make any sense to me?? Should all 262 characters in [[:Category:Deceased Characters]] have a spoiler warning on their pages?? Should any sentence that talks about a quest storyline specifically be forewarned?? How should we decide what is acceptable to have a spoiler warning?? Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 08:05, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Good question, I hadn't thought about it a lot I must admit. I still think that pretty much any NPC death would count, but maybe we should have a discussion on each particular instance, on that respective talk page. After we come up with some outline to guide us so we don't need to repeat discussions 262 times.--Degenret01 08:14, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
Note - Many of the characters in [[:Category:Deceased Characters]] do not appear in-game and have been dead a long time (e.g. King Roald I, who was the grandfather of the current King Roald) so spoiler warnings aren't needed for many of the articles in that category. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  20:44, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support 1, Pending 2 - 1 because it's obvious. I'm not sure about 2 yet, because I'd like to see how far we'd go with the issue of who gets a warning and who doesn't. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 08:39, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support both - Obviously, spoiler warnings are pointless on quest guides. --LiquidTalk 11:26, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Spoiler warnings on quest guides are useless, as they know they are in a quest page. BUKKITZ WEEL SMITE YOU!!!Murd3rlogistTalk Contribs Sign here 11:38, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I was bold and removed the spoiler thing off quest guides. It was added back to the template without any discussion a few days after a YG thread agreed to remove it. It should have by no means have been added again so proposal 1 seems like unneccessary overlap. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 01:40, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Shifting focus to number two exclusively I will move the thread to a different name to make it more appropriate.--Degenret01 01:56, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Comment I don't exactly know how the collapsing of things work, but I think it would make more sense to put them anywhere they apply, but make sure they auto-collapse, so only people that want to look at them have too. HaloTalk 21:44, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Not sure what this counts as - I personally think we should use spoilers on quest guides. Why? well what if i want to just see a certain part because i am stuck i dont want to know the rest of the quest guides, Maybe we could put something like quest help and put a hint then the real spoilers because some people (like me) want to figure out the quest them selves and not read other spoilers accedentally Fllour 23:26, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Where and when to use spoilers

So we know not to use them on quest guides, so where should we use them? Off the top of my head I would say on anything that dramatically affects the storyline. And if possible, I would like to try and put that information at the bottom of articles so people can still read other information without having surprises ruined. What about making the spoiler section hidden/collapsed? --Degenret01 02:01, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

BaF, things like Duradel - I think when someone goes to a page like Lucien, they'll expect spoilers, but when going to something like Duradel... If you don't know something will happen, it's a spoiler to even find out that something'll happen. I personally hated the things I had read about BaF when I read the book, because I already knew lots of the storyline. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 16:33, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I noticed a spoiler in the disambiguation page Dagannoth Kings... a slightly strange place for a spoiler. We should also consider articles such as Shattered Heart. Jagex has told us what the reward is, but I know people who enjoy the element of surprise and do not wish to know.  Tien  20:45, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

But if you don't want spoilers, why visit a guide? I see where you're coming from, but then we'd have to stick a spoiler template on pretty much every single page... Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 21:15, March 30, 2010 (UTC)
In Shattered Heart's case, to read general information about it and to see what the most efficient methods of collecting rocks are.  Tien  21:22, March 30, 2010 (UTC)
I see that, it makes sense. Describe the event and whatnot, but put the most efficient at the bottom with a warning. Cool, I wouldn't have thought of that case.--Degenret01 04:52, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - To me a spoiler is whenever there is a twist in a storyline. To minimise the amount of spoiler things since people generally complete a quest in one sitting, a spoiler only is only needed for a twist that occurs as a previous quest's storyline. If you are mid-way through a quest you might happen to stumble upon an unwarned spoiler for that quest, though that would be rare. So if a character is introduced at the start of the quest and is dead by the end, he wont need a spoiler warning. Basically, any twist in a story needs a spoiler if it spoils a quest series storyline. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 01:10, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Proposal

This thread is due for closure soon, though we have not really gotten anywhere in that time. I propose this on the matter of spoilers.

  • Spoilers will not be placed on pages that one could instantly recognize as being a spoiler (meaning they will not be placed on quest pages, text and tome pages, and so forth).
  • Spoilers will be placed on pages that one would not know contains spoilers until reading it.
  • Where rational, sections with spoilers can be hidden in a collapsed wikitable (we can make a template for this) or cover it up with {{C}} when a whole table is not as reasonable.

Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 12:33, May 1, 2010 (UTC)


Question - Will BaF articles get spoilers on them? Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 21:27, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Anyone who looks up an article about BaF or any other book should know it will contain spoilers, so I would say no. The goal is to reduce the usage of spoiler warnings only to pages where people would have no idea it contains them unless they where informed. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 14:44, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Massive Oppose for 1 & Proposal - See that button over there? The one that says random article? Yeah, I click on that atleast 20 times a day, What if I get a quest guide for something I have not done... And then it just pops up: OMFG GUYS!!! LIKE ______ HAPPENS HERE!!!... In my opinion, hear out my proposal: Make a new template, that is placed at the top of each quest page, stating: You are currently browsing an quest guide, please be aware that there is most likley to be spoilers included. Kind of like the under construction template. RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 23:06, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

I'd support that. We haven't even acknowledged the people who use the Random Page button. A bot could easily add this template to all 160+ quest pages, so that's not a problem. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 00:05, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
Or we could just re-add it to Template:Quest details. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 00:27, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
True Lol Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 01:05, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 00:04, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Random article button won't ruin it for you There is a whole bunch of stuff at the top of quest articles, you will see all that way before you could read a spoiler.--Degenret01 19:32, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

New Proposal

I propose, As per above, That we should place a small template on the top of each quest page, Just like the under construction template, Stating about the guide containing spoilers. It saves time on the basis of adding spoiler warnings half way down an guide. It wouldn't be hard to create, and it would benefit those who both don't want spoilers, and those who do. Its doing 0 percent harm to anyone being there. RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 13:14, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Support for template proposal - As nom RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 13:14, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Anyone with their eyes open can see that quest guides will have spoilers. It would be rather silly to add them, especially considering that we have already established in this thread that quest guide spoilers are not needed. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 14:44, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - What Steler said. HaloTalk 14:47, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Seems overkill. I think it is unlikely for someone to expect a page on a quest to not contain information about what happens in the quest. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 08:01, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

And what if someone uses random page to be led to an quest guide that, they have not done, therefore spoiling the storyline? RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 17:04, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
Then don't read past the quest name/details if you don't want to know what happens in the walkthrough. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 06:10, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Hal. bad_fetustalk 18:17, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Been opposed massively This alone might fit the "Do not propose again" criteria.--Degenret01 19:32, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose- We know there's spoilers there. Foop46 Talk HS Zamorak staff.png

Request closure - No consensus has been achieved and discussion has died down 222 talk 06:59, June 27, 2010 (UTC) {{Closure}} ʞooɔ 09:20, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Re-request closure - Lack of support. And per reasons above. 222 talk 01:15, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - The original proposal about keeping spoilers off quest articles will be implemented. There is no consensus to make any other changes. --LiquidTalk 01:37, August 20, 2010 (UTC)