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Ronan Talk 22:42, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - It wouldn't change anything. We are still a fansite. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 22:56, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

Actually this needs some more thought and information. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 23:50, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

Why exactly do you suspect that Jagex is making their own wiki? kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 05:52, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

I can confirm that they have plans on recreating the knowledge base as a wiki. Suppa chuppa Talk 05:54, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - We have said we have a few problems with Wikia, but haven't found a better option. The question we have to ask is if they allow us to "move" there, would that be better or worse for us as a wiki. I'm guessing their will be more features that would suit us and solve a few of our problems, but we would also be more restricted with our content and their could be negative effects on other things, like possibly our community, but we would also likely get an increase in editors. If we could get more information about this then it could be an answer to a lot of our problems, or possibly the beginning of the end for the wiki, or maybe somewhere in the middle. So I believe we need to find out more information, and seriously consider "moving". Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 09:41, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

"Haven't found a better option"... Well a year or so ago the Battlestar Wiki offered to host the runescape wiki at its own domain name but the community decided to stick with Wikia. It's very unlikely that this wiki would move to Jagex, they would just recresate their kb as a wiki themselves. -Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 09:56, November 2, 2011 (UTC)
If I remember correctly, some of the problems with moving there was it would be very hard to tell people we moved, but if we "move" to the KB, it may be more easy to tell people we have moved. I am not saying we should move, but that we should find out more information about it, and then decide what is best for us. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 10:02, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I'm sorry, but I cannot foresee them offering to allow us to "move" to their site at all. The way I see it, even after reading that e-mail, they're going completely solo on this, with a quick notification to their fansites a few weeks in advance to save themselves the trouble of having to deal with extra controversy. That said, I do not believe that they will be a severe impact to us. Certainly, in the first few weeks of its release, people will flock to it to see what it's all about, but I have no doubts that we will remain the most comprehensive source of information on the internet. Their wiki will still demand huge amounts of constant maintenance, and I don't think the normal RuneScape player will be too keen to contribute to that maintenance. What would worry me is the likely possibility of Jagex releasing exclusive new tidbits and trivia on their articles to try and lure in more readers, but again, in the long run, I'm fairly confident that we will still be standing as tall, as proud, and as informative as we are today. Ronan Talk 11:04, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Just a quick comment, I'll expand later. If we were to move our wiki to, I am completely sure that Jagex would start poking their noses in places where we criticise them or some of their features, or lean on us to change the content of pages regarding their "controversies" and other such things. 222 talk 10:50, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - In that email, the jmods said it was okay to ask them questions, so maybe if we make a deal with them, that we are free to put any content on the wiki we'd like, as long as it follows the RS rules (no botting/scamming advertisement, etc), I think it might be a good idea to move to If we are free to write anything we want, I don't see any harm in moving there, as that will probably also give us freedom on updates Wikia would be enforcing, like that messages wall and the Wikia skin updates, and we might get a direct feed from the GEDB and hiscores/alogs. I also think Jagex would be happy to take the wiki to their site, as that would mean they won't have to make pages for everything themselves. If we are free to write what we want, I only see benefits in moving to Jagex as a wiki. If Jagex agrees with that, maybe we could have a thread proposing this, while Jagex waits before they release their wiki until we know if we want to move too. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 11:56, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind, per below. If they are gonna let every edit be reviewed before being published, and not using MediaWiki, I don't really see any good in moving to them. It could be useful to keep an eye on that wiki when it gets released though, as it might give out formulas which can be used here, but are quite hard to find. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 11:14, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - As neat as it would be to look like this mockup, Jagex would redact quite a bit of content and most likely impose their day wait on content reward information on the new KB as they do now. They would also probably be lenient on old dead bugs, but we also don't like current ones, so it's a gray area here. If this does become the case, I see that a bias will develop to not write anything remotely anti-Jagex and instead of neutrality, be completely pro-Jagex. Not that I see anything wrong with that, we do indeed play their game, but should they accept such an offer, I am doubtful that the current users with certain rights will keep them (Jagex will probably only want JMods for sysops). Other things that come to mind is that Wikia will be in a panic to see one of the highest grossing wiki's on their network leave for the official site it's based on. They might even do what they did to the WoWWiki sysops be revoking many of their rights if they do anything remotely showing that they have moved. Might have more to write on this later. Ryan PM 12:45, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Hi, OP here. One thing that's interesting is how Jagex will treat quest guides. Currently they have a system in place that gives quest clues with limitations, etc. Also, what will happen to the KB? There is no chance that Jagex will hand out anything close to a sysop to anybody here. The other thing mentioned is how Jagex will treat criticism. Currently, Jagex are so strict that they refuse to recognize the existence of a fansite if it has adverts for other games. So, you can bet that the wiki will be very narrow-minded and pro-Jagex in every way. I can see them autogenerating most of their infoboxes and content. They may even limit the wiki so people cannot create articles or edit the categories in each article. And, to motivate people to contribute, Jagex may set up competitions and rewards in hopes of luring people in to build their wiki. Also, you can forget receiving any support from Jagex in terms of fansite support once a wiki is released on Jagex most likely saw a wiki as an earning opportunity. Imagine a website that the visitors maintain and requires almost no work. Now imagine thousands of visitors and tons of revenue from ads. Yep, you're imagining a wiki! In conclusion, I feel this is another nail in the fansite coffin. 15:58, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - To everyone suggesting we "move" to this wiki Jagex is making - I think you're all crazy. Jagex wouldn't want anything to do with us, obviously, as we are still only a silver fansite and as they are kicking the behinds of every single fansite with this wiki update. My 2 cents: Let Jagex make it on their own so they can see how much work it requires; work that they can't do. Their wiki is going to fail bigtime. If each edit requires a review before being published (which is how I understand it), they do not have enough manpower to do that. Best case scenario is that people will realize how fail it is and that it takes too long for their edits to show up, so they'll just come back here where literally everyone can edit. Not to mention the extreme bias it will have. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 17:28, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Jagex is lazy to spend a bit of cash on a real knowedgle base, so they're trying to get players helping them. I'd say it's a good idea but Jagex cannot be trusted anymore, in my opinion. The F2P hiscores removal just really upset me (Wow, improving members' ranks by devaluing them? Jagex is giving us 100 cents instead of 1 euro! - and totally omitting F2P's on top of that); and the new RS logo - is that World of Warcraft font? If I wanted to play WoW, I'd get it, instead of playing a WoW-clone. Dontlietome7 14:39, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Apparently this site will not even be using MediaWiki. Let's put this "moving to Jagex" thing to rest. We need to worry about how this will affect our site. ʞooɔ 18:06, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

I doubt it can affect the Wiki positively. They keep doing what they weren't asked for but what makes kids (their new customer target group) and investors happy. If their wiki succeeds (and I guess it will...), then there certainly won't be any info about bugs, players will forget about Falador Massacre and other epic fails as veterans will quit and new players won't have a place to find it out. Lets just keep this Wiki running; if there isn't freedom in RS, it'll eventually degrade. Dontlietome7 14:39, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - after reading through this thread, I feel that this Jagex-made wiki could be a bad thing for us in the short run, but if it is as restrictive and biased as it could be, then contributors will continue to come here for unbiased, accurate information. And if they insist on all edits being verified first, well where are they going to take the staff from to do that? A Jagex-run wiki wouldn't work, and is unlikely to be a threat to this site in the very-long run. Small recharge gem.png AnselaJonla Slayer-icon.png 18:12, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I don't think this will have much of an affect on us at all. The site may just end up bias, incomplete and maybe even inaccurate in some way, with or without Jagex staff reviewing all the edits. I personally don't think there's anything to worry about. Smithing (talk | contribs) 18:26, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - The only thing I would be worried about is them copying our content, which they can with the license. Then again, that could help us by making them place a link right to our article saying where they got it from. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 21:08, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

They don't intend to take anything from any fansite. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 21:10, November 2, 2011 (UTC)
Just because they don't doesn't mean they won't get it. If it follows the wiki style, anyone would be able to edit it. Thus anyone could copypaste. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 21:18, November 2, 2011 (UTC)
They would have to release content copied from this wiki under a license that is compatible with ours. That is probably not something they want to do. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 04:04, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Hmm, this is interesting, I can say at the least. I'm sure that if Jagex carries through with this idea (which is likely, if they're so sure they'll email a fansite). However, I think we're taking far too many presumptions here. We have no idea what their wiki will be like, and until released, we cannot make assumptions on that. We are one of the biggest fansites, and by far the most complete, so it may very much be possible that Jagex will copy many of our policies, and may entirely scrap the concept of a day's wait on new quests, etc. We don't really know what to expect, so we should keep our minds open to such. After all, I bet we get more visits than the KB (or GG, whatever). Jagex is a business, and if they put ads on pages, which I'd say is pretty likely, they'd want what would attract the most viewers.

Of course, there's the massive issues that even if they are inspired by us, their wiki would likely lack many of the features we love, and if Jagex doesn't replicate them in some way, they could be a major con in moving in any way.

And of course, in the (fairly likely) chance that their wiki ends up being biased or otherwise censored, we could just let it crash and burn. I'd say Urbancowgurl is pretty spot on about what could happen if they tried that. We get too many edits to review every one as it is being a silver fansite. Imagine how many they'd get being "the" official thing, especially on the first day, when the hype would be high. It'd be impossible even for a paid staff to keep up. As well, players obviously choose the uncensored wiki over the KB, so if their wiki ends up being censored like the KB is, people would just treat it like the KB... and come here.

Obviously, I'd love to get as far away from Wikia as I can (further, even), but I don't have high hopes for Jagex. But I do have the patience to think we need to wait and see how this goes. On a totally unrelated side note, I love the last line of the email, Suppa (or message, or however they sent it). Hofmic Talk 04:23, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

I lol'd sooooo hard. Jagex reviewing every edit? Jesus Christ, I still remember the mu bug where it took them like 4 hours to even get a notice about it on the front page. They barely post on the forums either. There's no way they have the resources to manage all those queued edits. And not using mediawiki? I don't know if I believe that, but if anyone could do something that stupid and think its a great idea, its Jagex. I suppose that's why the forums aren't phpBB yet. In summary, will be an abysmal failure and will only increase appreciation for this wiki. Also, inb4 "we have removed The RuneScape Wiki from our featured fansites because it has been made redundant by" kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 05:37, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Lol. I don't see their wiki being very successful. Either it's open for everyone to edit, and they'll get way more vandalism than they can manage. That, or they restrict it based on total level or something. In that case, they won't have the manpower to maintain it. Suppa chuppa Talk 05:39, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - A wiki? What? Where did you get that? The news post said "revamp". User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 17:14, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Read the rest of this discussion.. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 17:15, November 3, 2011 (UTC)
I have. People are worried about nothing. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 15:16, November 4, 2011 (UTC)
We have information from both RuneFest (if I remember correctly), and an email from Jagex (linked by suppa above), saying that they are making the KB into a wiki. Whether or not they can make their wiki a success is debatable, and unlikely to reach our level of completeness unless they use a database dump of it as their start. Also, per Ryan's and Psycho's comments.Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 15:34, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

Pfft -  Tien  16:25, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I doubt many if any of our serious editors from here will switch to Jagex's wiki. Plus, they may serve to attract the vandals away from us. Really the only issue that I can see is with our referencing in future What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 19:03, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I'm with the rest who say that this doesn't seem like it will have too big of an impact. A lot of people already come here to search as well as edit. along with what other people said, yes, it may attract them in the beginning just because it's something new, but I'm sure we'll be fine. --Touhou FTW 13:02, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Their wiki's gonna suck - Every RuneScape player that goes on the site will be invited to contribute. Think about it. Also, we're about six years ahead of them, progress-wise. We have no reason to worry. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 15:46, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Hmm... This is a very interesting discussion. What would we do if Jagex opened their own wiki?  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dragonslayer2010 (talk).

this contributes nothing to the discussion. you're almost as bad as jeffwang. --Iiii I I I 17:00, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - The impact that the official wiki has on us will depend on how aggressively they go for search engine ranking, and if they are anti-competitive in giving their writers access to content first so they can write about it by the time the update is released. Neither one would surprise me, so we still need to be on our toes. ʞooɔ 18:51, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

If their editors would get benefits like that, we could just send a few "spies", right? JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 17:11, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
Sure, although it would still be an inconvenience, and we would always be at a disadvantage, no matter how many editors we sent to infiltrate them. Ronan Talk 17:21, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Comment- Meh, it wouldn't be a big deal. Jagex already has the top-notch stuff so if a user made a incorrect edit, it would immediatly be reverted. So, it would be a turndown for many interested editors. Bad side is they might copy current work done here so I don't see much harm with the new wiki. We'll probally lose some members but gain some at the same time. Hair 20:18, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I wouldn't be too quick to brush this off. First thing that came to mind was how are they going to get around the naming? Last I checked we were the runescape wiki so I'm curious to see if there is going to be any issues because of that. Granted I'm not a lawyer but I got to imagine that they just can't take a name that is already in use. Second it's amazing how similar in format the mockup looks to our actual site. I mean I know there is only so many ways to display that kind of information but it looks like a copy/paste with about 5 minutes of moving some things. Third, on the editing could it be that they will not review edits of those logged in with say there RS account? Like it's been said reviewing every single edit would be next to impossible but what if they only did that for the anom posts? One final thought, and it might not be plesant or even possible, but is it possible that Jagex might have just bought the Wiki and just plans to migrate everything into there system?-- Quest.png Darrik Ash US serv.svg HS ALDarklight detail.png 15:13, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

No, it's not possible. Ronan Talk 18:12, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I'm hearing talk of joining in on this possible new wiki. My main concern, among others, is that Wikia wouldn't allow us to move hosts, we'd have to fork. In layman's terms, this current version of the wiki would still remain in place and Wikia would attempt to promote new users to edit here whilst banning users who try to promote the forked site. Wikia would try to compete for views, a classic example being [[wowwiki:WoWWiki|WoWWiki]], Wowpedia's Wikia hosted competitor. Before the majority of editors decided to create and move to Wowpedia, WoWWiki got 400,000 views per day. After they forked, WoWWiki still retains 250,000 of those daily page views; Wowpedia doesn't even get a third of the traffic WoWWiki does, even with Blizzard's support. Whilst this is a different example from what we are currently discussing, both games are MMORPGs; it's a good indicator to go by. Yes, there's the argument that that we could potentially gain more readers with Jagex, however with Wikia's high search listings on google and a habit of not letting popular wikis die upon the event of a fork, we could end up competing with ourselves and altogether losing serious amounts of traffic. Smuff [citation provided] 21:55, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

There is no fork. They don't want us. ʞooɔ 22:05, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
^ This. I don't know where people got that notion in the first place. Ronan Talk 22:50, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
Why do people keep talking about this?? sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 23:54, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Has anyone else considered that, given our wiki is licensed by CC-by-SA, Jagex could just take a database dump without asking, upload it straight to their wiki, then clear out all our permissions? As long as they didn't hide the history (which they wouldn't) it'd be perfectly legal, though it would be a dick move of mammoth proportions. Or am I incorrect? kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 06:28, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

If they did that, the community would absolutely hate and oppose them, the forums would be in an uproar. It won't happen. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 06:31, November 8, 2011 (UTC)
It would be quite hilarious if Jagex used content from a silver fansite. Matt (t) 06:32, November 8, 2011 (UTC)
It might just be me, or it might not exactly be hilarious. Suppa chuppa Talk 06:33, November 8, 2011 (UTC)
I was just saying that if they think our content is so good that they end up using it in place of their own, then why are we silver? Matt (t) 06:35, November 8, 2011 (UTC)
If Jagex did it, would the community even know? Given that people just don't steal websites, the community would be likely to assume that such a happenstance would be some team effort between the old RuneScape Wiki and Jagex. They'd never suspect in a million years that Jagex would be so brazen, and I'm sure Jagex wouldn't give us the venue to tell anyone about it. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 06:42, November 8, 2011 (UTC)
That's why yours truly makes a thread on the RSOF informing the community of it. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 06:46, November 8, 2011 (UTC)
Locked! Hidden! B&! kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 21:46, November 8, 2011 (UTC)
Umm yeah, no. That wouldn't happen. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 00:44, November 9, 2011 (UTC)
Well, let's remember that if they did do that, how would they have the manpower to monitor and maintain a site of 58,564 articles? It may receive a lot of praise and traffic to begin with, but things will become fragmented and messed up really quickly. And they have no experience with wikis; if they did attempt to database dump, they'd probably stuff it up somehow. ~Chicken7, locked out of his account

Looks like this is an attempt to kill us. They always hated our ads and how many people use us, hence our silver status. The wiki editors who care about this wiki should consider most carefully before helping Jagex with theirs, you would end up hurting us.--Varthlokkur 05:54, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Being a bit Dramatic, Varth. It's not like Jagex hasn't ever added features that other fansites have. If Jagex truly 'hated' the wiki, then we wouldn't even have silver status.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nightgunner1 (talk).

It's official - From Update:Coming Next Week:New Website!: "a community-editable wiki at its core!" and also "The old manual has been transplanted into a new, wiki-based format and will form the core of the new website." They're only letting certain people edit though, and I suspect membership will be one of the requirements What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 16:28, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Inb4 new game guide becomes even more infamous then the current knowledge base in terms of misinformation. Either way i see people stealing stuff from this wiki and putting it on the "offical" wiki. Are they allowed to legally do that? Adventurer's log Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon.png 20:01, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, although credit would have to be given to every single editor of the respective page, and the original source of the article's content would also have to be attributed. Ronan Talk 23:32, November 15, 2011 (UTC)
This would be delicious. Jagex themselves would have to advertise a competing wiki on their own wiki. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 00:21, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - We need to kick up a stink every time we find some of our content being taken without correct attribution otherwise this will be perceived as a sign of indifference and their "contributors" will not hesitate to take more of our content. 222 talk 07:12, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Stink shall thus be kicked. Ronan Talk 09:14, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
Agreed. Maybe a few of us could patrol their recent changes and revert anything that's blatantly nicked from here? Small recharge gem.png AnselaJonla Slayer-icon.png 08:49, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
Although it would be great if it were that easy, unfortunately it isn't. We can't possibly monitor every single edit made, 24/7, and even if we did somehow manage it, we'd then have to cross-reference the article in question with our own, and search for identical information, and the unreasonably simple way of them preventing all of that happening is just tweaking the wording slightly, which we can't really do anything about. Ronan Talk 09:14, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
Maybe we could write a bot to do that for us?-- Ruderion (Talk) 17:50, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
Uh, no. Ronan Talk 18:07, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
Strong support of thebrains222's idea - I don't like the idea of Jagex running the wiki. They'll have too many rights. If they promise us to keep our rights, they'll work on reducing them... Either change our wiki's licence so they cannot copy from here, or sue them each time they violate our rights (they must provide a source!).
Wiki won't be neutral if Jagex gets control over it. And I don't trust Jagex after the backstab with hiscores becoming members only.
Please keep Wiki running - and do the best to prevent Jagex from copying. Dontlietome7 14:21, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
What exactly are you supporting? Ronan Talk 16:13, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
Additionally, the wiki's licence cannot be changed without consent of every single user who has ever edited any part of the wiki governed by the licence (ie: all of it), in any way. Including IP's, which is obviously impossible. -- Cycloneblaze (user - talk - contribs) 20:06, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
I thought the licence cannot be changed easily. Thanks for info. I'm supporting thebrains' awesome idea (added that). I think RS Wiki will benefit from this update (over other fansites) if it's going to be attributed at most pages. Dontlietome7 21:16, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
And how would you distinguish original file holders, from members who copy? If an uploader from this wiki decides to upload his own original files to jagex' wiki you can't do anything about it really. Edit: Or are you only talking about text going to be copied? Adult chameleon (automatic).png Anurin Talk · Sign! . 01:49, November 18, 2011 (UTC)
This only applies to text. Suppa chuppa Talk 01:52, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Can whomever received the email (Suppa I think?) possibly reply and ask them what their official position would be on information copied from us, or any other fan site, and not attributed?--Degenret01 15:00, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

I have been the one in contact with them. I have requested clarification on copied content, and should have an answer by tomorrow. ʞooɔ 22:11, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Support Brains' idea - Even if Jagex themselves does not copy content from this wiki, you can bet that RuneScape players will. Jagex's legal team will have a few choice words with the management if we constantly bombard them with takedown requests for content that is copied, not attributed, and not released under a compatible license. I support this because this wiki has spent years becoming the most reliable and complete source of RuneScape information that I know of; with the wiki at my disposal, I do not need any other fansite. For Jagex to then undermine all its fansites, especially us, is a slap in the face. I will volunteer to join any patrolling organization that we might set up. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 23:45, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Hear hear. Ronan Talk 23:53, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

The idea of rsw 'moving' to has been discussed earlier. However, in this instance, although I believe it is unlikely, would other fan sites also make the move? Would the wiki become a synthesis of content from a range of prominent fan sites including this one? Anyway, just a thought. It will be interesting to see how this whole thing plays out.--Raglough 07:01, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

There is no "also" about it. RSW won't be "moving" anywhere. A few editors might be lost to the shininess of a new thing, but the wiki itself will stay where it is, as it is. I doubt any of the other fansites will "move" either. Any "synthesis of content" is likely to come from RSOW editors copying information word-for-word from another site. Small recharge gem.png AnselaJonla Slayer-icon.png 14:04, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

It'll last a few weeks before being filled with spam and rants about jagex.All the jagex run pages will be full of the ussal marketting bull****.Will be intersesting to see what happens to the RAF page.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) on 17:03, November 17, 2011.

Comment - I'm currently in the process of archiving all of the Game Guide articles to combat the possible referencing problem that may exist after the update (page is here). Feel free to help out with the archiving. Smithing (talk | contribs) 04:40, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - Discussion continues in post-release section. 222 talk 10:34, November 23, 2011 (UTC)