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This thread was archived on 11 August 2009 by Azaz129.

You probably noticed that Karis is welcoming users. That's all cool but, they are old users. Is it really necessary to go through the user list with 12000+ users which contains about 5000 who don't have a talk page? Including people who haven't logged in since 2006/07/08. That's a bit odd to welcome them after years.. Adult chameleon (automatic).png Anurin Talk · Sign! . 12:13, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

AEAE. >.> Santa hat.png Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 12:19, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

My view - RS:AEAE, All users should be welcomed. Users who haven't been welcomed that I am welcoming are ones that the welcoming committee have missed out in the past. IMO, everyone who has taken the time to join the wiki should be welcomed, old or not. If we move to only welcoming brand new users, it'd be quite easy for someone to come along and say "Oh, we should only welcome users with X number of edits, then we know they're here to stay and save time". An editor's status, or account age shouldn't be influencing the way we think about them. Everyone should be welcomed, everyone should be new, anyone can turn into a good editor / good admin / good crat. Karis Talk to me 12:20, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

You can't get dead accounts to contribute. Adult chameleon (automatic).png Anurin Talk · Sign! . 12:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Meh, perhaps this is just a simple way to get a high edit count, but I highly doubt that. Who would want 5000+ user talk page edits. AGF and AEAE says that Karis is doing the right thing. Perhaps though, instead of welcoming them all indivually, perhaps you should look into making a bot. Leave it so it sign's your name that way it still a personal welcome, but than you can justify 5000+ talk page edits on a bot. Make it a lot easier too.

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12:27, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I don't get why RS:AEAE gives a reason to welcome them. Welcoming is part of a project, not a policy.
"The Welcoming Committee is a group of editors who take it upon themselves to steer these up-and-coming contributors in the right direction. (...) The task of the members of the Welcoming Committee is to welcome new users by adding {{subst:Welcome Notice}} ~~~~ to their talk pages." Adult chameleon (automatic).png Anurin Talk · Sign! . 12:44, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Getting a welcome notice from the wiki after being active for more than a month or two would seem (to me) rather inapropriate. Unless it happens within the first week or so, the 'welcome' feeling, which I guess it is supposed to create, would be missing. Letting a bot do this would make the 'welcome' null and void from a human perspective. It is an administrative duty to do this as new users come along, if it is not done timeously, rather do not do it at all. Sskraeling 12:49, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Comment - In my opinion, it doesn't matter too much if someone wants to take the time to welcome old users. It's not that big of a deal. Welcoming old users doesn't do anything harmful. C.ChiamTalk 12:52, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Comment - If its suggested to make a bot to welcome old users, why not make a bot to auto-welcome all new users as well? In my opinion, both are a bad idea, for the same reasons as Sskraeling's above. I also can't help but feel that commenting on old profiles is somewhat a waste of resources. --Quarenon  Talk 15:33, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Comment - We have a bot, but everybody flipped out because they didn't get the edits, so it is disabled. Karlis (talk) (contribs) 16:07, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

You seem really ticked about the whole thing, but, that bot wouldn't have caught the old users we'd missed anyway. 20:59, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be possible to make a bot that instead of starting at the latest user, it works backwards from the oldest user, and if a talk page doesn't exist and has never been deleted it would create a welcome ? That way people in the WC will feel like they can welcome users, but the bot catches up on all of the unwelcomed users. Karis Talk to me 21:32, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Keep in mind that of those 5000 atleast one - two hundred are from the old sockpuppeters and vandals we had over those years.--

Helm of neitiznot (charged).png Azaz129 Crystal shield.png Talk Edits Contribs

16:11, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Yep, but if they're a vandal or sockpuppet, they should already have a talkpage created with a message of don't sockpuppet or a vandalism warning, so it'd be kinda rare to welcome a vandal/undesirable. Karis Talk to me 16:21, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Please keep in mind that we had a number of sockpuppet accounts that were banned and then their talks/userpages were delete to keep the puppeter from gaining the attention they craved (and many of those accounts simply never had a talk, the jaghater accounts are an example of this). Therefore anyone wishing to welcome old accounts should be sure to check the contributions.-- 16:49, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Support Personally I think it's weird to welcome people when they have been around for a long time. I remember somebody welcomed me when I had been a registered and active editor for over a year - I was surprised by it, and assumed it was a mistake. Anyone who has been around that long either feels welcome already or would not be made to feel significantly more welcome by having a template copied and pasted onto their talk page. I think this is a good token gesture for new users, but using it for such long-time editors is a wasted effort, especially when there are so many :Category:Marked articles|marked articles in need of attention. Leevclarke talk Max_logo_mini.png bulldog_puppy.png 16:31, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I don't see the issue with this as long as the accounts are not permabanned or something like that. I think it is good she is getting alot of the users that were missed, it may help someone down the line. Zaros tally.PNGBladeQuick chat button.png# 21:46, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Support - What is the point. If they are active they will already know what to do, if not then there is no point welcoming them. Simple.Joe Click Here for Awesomeness14:30, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Support - Per All. - TehKittyCatTalk Wikian-Book 23:10, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Per AEAE. Lovely torso armourSupirion1Talk Contribs #Summoning.png 06:36, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

I want sysop rights because of AEAE. You can point to a policy whatever you want but.. Welcoming new users is something that does not work from out of a policy but by the idea of helping new users, steering them in the right direction. Why would you need to do that to users that haven't been on the wiki for ages, or have already been contributing for months. It's like calling a taxi to a place to pick up some people, but it seems that they already reached their destination, or took the bus to the next village. Adult chameleon (automatic).png Anurin Talk · Sign! . 01:30, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - This does no harm, and it is possible some of the old editors may never have gotten the hang of things, and will be helped if they return by the information in the template. There is no reason to stop this, it will not alienate anyone. RandoxTalk 02:19, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Come on guys - The yew grove is for real issues. This doesn't the slightest. Whether the users who haven't edited in years get welcomed or not, what harm could it do and what harm could come of it by someone doing it. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 03:27, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - While it may be somewhat pointless, it does no harm. I see no reason why it should be forbade. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 15:30, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Request for closure - This topic is over a month old and after looking through Karis's contributions she has not welcomed an old user since the start of this thread. So, there is no point in continuing this discussion, nor was there in even starting it. Zaros tally.PNGBladeQuick chat button.png# 17:43, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Closed - --

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