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well im not good with words so this will probably be pretty short the idea is simple instead searching for monsters that are weak agianst something u would instead type in something along the lines of weakness/magic searching that would result in a list of monsters weak to magic attacks and also display its other weakness too for example:

monster:name (lvl) weak agianst magic,slash,stab

the first columun of weaknesses would all be magic because this list would show those weak to magic along with the other weakness the ctegorys should also be sperated in to f2p and p2p and various combat lvls there are many monsters out there and knowing this information would allow rangers magers and meleers to train more effectively --Manofflames6 06:03, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


How about weakness categories? A category for each weakness type. We just need to be certain our data is 100% correct.--Degenret01 06:05, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

This sounds MUCH better. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 06:09, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

yh degenret01 that what i was thinking but i think i over thought it but the basic idea is still a good 1 Manofflames6 06:12, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Support Degen's idea - However, as he said, we need to be 100% sure. bad_fetustalk 08:49, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Support Degen's idea - Per Chess. Jack

Support Degen's idea - Makes sense. Per above. ajr 15:59, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Support Degen's idea - Sounds good to me! Andrew talk 20:25, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Support Degen's idea - Sounds good, and I can understand it. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 01:12, June 23, 2010 (UTC) 

Support Degen - It will be a useful category. Smile --Quarenon  Talk 01:34, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Support Degenret - Cant hurt...

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C-c-c-combo breaker - In all seriousness, this is a good idea. ʞooɔ 06:50, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Support - I wouldn't use it, but I can see how it would be useful. This is the type of thing that could be coded into Infobox:Monster couldn't it? I can see how it could get tricky when a monster has multiple weaknesses, but its something worth looking into. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 06:59, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

We could make it "weakness1 = la, weakness2 = de, weakness3 = da" etc, that should work. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 07:09, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
Good idea, and we wouldn't even have to do something awkward like making a separate row for each weakness. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 07:13, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
Would we then automatically put something like Category:Monsters that are weak to stab if |weakness = stab ? ʞooɔ 07:30, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
Something shorter. Like "Category:Stab weakness" so it would look like this in code [[Category:{{{weakness}}} weakness]]. I think, still learning template making. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 07:35, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
Something of the sort, though it would be more complicated. We'd need to use #if in there, so as not to create a new category for "None weakness" or something like that. ʞooɔ 07:39, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
{{#if:{{{weakness}}}|[[Category:{{{weakness}}} weakness]]}}. There. Forgot about the #if. Lol Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 07:41, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
I think "Monsters weak to {{{weakness}}}" would be best. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 07:44, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
That does sound a bit better. Also, there's more than that code... Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 07:47, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
I know, just speaking the native tongue :P Also if we're going to go this route then we need to change the infobox template to only accept certain types of input. We can't have a category made for every weird thing they put in there. I think having fire, earth, air, water, stab, slash, crush, and ranged will cover 90% of weaknesses and still leave us with very little in terms of coding, and any other weaknesses can be covered in the article. If someone provides a weakness that's not one of the predetermined weaknesses, then it'll just be ignored. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 07:54, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
I meant what I said needed more code. And #ifexist does that I think. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 07:56, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
Sure we could use #ifexist:, but its an expensive parser. Shoving it into 1000 pages isn't the wisest idea to me. We could just use a #switch: and have a handful of accepted values that give distinct categories - stab, slash, crush, magic (all spell types), ranged. Also, Category:Unknown weakness and Category:No weakness would also be good additions. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 09:25, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
Although it may require a lot of editing, we might have to add a new parameter for every weakness. ({{#if:{{{weaktostab|}}}|[[Category:Monsters weak to stab attacks]]}} would work) ShinyUnown T | C | E 11:29, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Good idea. Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 10:30, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - I'm probably looking like an idiot here. But seriously, who looks for monsters by their weaknesses. Maybe some people do...but most people I know don't. It seems useless to me, but hey, maybe that's just me. In any case, if you are going to do it, be bold and get it done. HaloTalk 07:28, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Support degen It just makes sense and can't do any harm.Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 07:33, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - per Haloolah123 LordDarkPhantom 19:18, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Halo is right. Most people aren't even aware that weaknesses exist. --LiquidTalk 01:39, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Aren't we trying to...I don't know, educate people? ʞooɔ 01:42, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
Comment - Educating people is good; I can also see something like this being added on account of RS:G, since it's information pertaining to Runescape. Leftiness 06:19, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
And what the heck does this have to do with Granularity? Have you even read that policy? HaloTalk 06:48, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
Comment - Apologies; I didn't re-read the policy to make sure it applied exactly, but I'm of the opinion that RS:G means all information pertaining to Runescape deserves to be on the wiki, and, since weaknesses are information pertaining to Runescape, they deserve to be on the wiki. In some cases, we provide weakness information on the monster's article, saying the monster is weak to magic, for example. In my opinion, a category would fulfill the purpose better than an article, so I wouldn't go so far as to say "weakness to magic" deserves an article, but a category organizing the information could be beneficial in ways that Chess and Degen point out below. Leftiness 16:12, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
No. We put information out there, others can choose to take it or not. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. To reiterate what I was saying. People will kill a monster because it is good money, good charms, good experience, or they think it's fun. They aren't going to kill something they hate because it's weak to a certain attack style. People don't need a category to tell them this. HaloTalk 06:46, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
Quite obviously, you haven't read what manofflames said. You are saying that people wouldn't kill something because they are weak to an attack style. Wrong. I occasionally do that, and I'm pretty sure lots of other people do, probably including you. For example, when I want to train ranged, I try to find something that is weak to ranged attacks, so that I can hit more and get more xp. And, I usually am unable to find anything decent. This category would help a lot. bad_fetustalk 08:10, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
Actually I've read it several times now. And no. Right now I kill things for two reasons: slayer task or money. Money=bosses, which aren't weak to anything, just strong against some. If you want to train range-see here. Similar pages exist for other skills. They aren't the best of guides, but they give you lots of detail. Most people who train things also go after money. That's why a guide will always beat a category. HaloTalk 18:41, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
Guides are useful only if you have no idea what you are going to do. I'm pretty sure I'm capable of picking what I'm going to train on better than a guide. (And I tried to use those guides, they help only 5% of the time.) bad_fetustalk 21:56, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Halo. xScoobsx Talk Contribs 08:03, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Support - What harm could it do. It is kinda useful, not to me though, money is more important. Massive task though, you'll want a bot. 222 talk 08:49, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Question All the techie speak left me out in the dark so I can't tell if this has been answered. Say someone wants to train ranged, would they be able to click the "weak to ranged" category and it lists them all? Would it be possible to have the monsters combat level come up also? So instead of a person opening every monster "weak to range" page, they can tell from one page what is most appropriate for their combat level. That is what would be most helpful in a way of presenting our info to people that need it.--Degenret01 13:21, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

As far as I know, that is not possible, unless we categorize them like Category:Weak to ranged (Level:60-70). Of course, I might be wrong, but I've never seen such a use. bad_fetustalk 18:29, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
Chess is right. HaloTalk 18:41, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
There are ways to do it, but it would have to be on its own page, not just on the category. The category would merely link to the article.ʞooɔ 20:07, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, you could do that. I meant the category straight up though. There's ways to do pretty much anything here...if you know how to play it. HaloTalk 20:51, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Support - This would make finding the right monster to fight easier, a useful feature. ~MuzTalk 22:02, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Request closure - Support for Degen's idea. Be bold and do it. 222 talk 02:16, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Matt (t) 22:31, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - Degen's idea will be implemented. As this is a rather large undertaking, volunteer help will be required. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 14:05, August 23, 2010 (UTC)