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Vulgarity

I have heard differing views on weather or not we allowed to swear/curse on user and talk pages...

I havent heard a definitive answer on weather or not we can under the current wiki rules...

Now I dont have any vulgarities on my userpage but i think i have sworn before in talk pages

Support:allow swearing

Oppose:disallow swearing

 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mythbusterma (talk).


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Uuuuuuuuh, wait, what? http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3921/thehimmemote.pngGone. 21:59, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

By the way, I hear differing views on weather, too. No two weather reports are exactly alike ;( http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3921/thehimmemote.pngGone. 22:07, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
I lol'd --Iiii I I I 22:11, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - First of all, who the hell is this? ♦Dragon platebody.pngCeno FlameTalk Contribs # SignDragon chainbody.png 22:01, February 22, 2010 (UTC)♦

What does it matter who it is? The question is a fair one, no matter who asks it. I have some profanity on my talk page, and have had for ages. It's never been a problem as far as I know. I also swear on talk pages and forums (including the Yew Grove) if it's relevant to the discussion, or if it comes naturally as the way I feel I need to express myself. They're just words, and I use whichever words seem most appropriate. If you're swearing gratuitously all over the place then people might reasonably object. Certainly we keep profanity out of mainspace articles (except where it is relevant, for example in the slang dictionary). Other than that, it doesn't bother me. Needless censorship is a bad thing. If you include profanity on your user page, it reflects more on you as a user than it does on the wiki (and therefore me). This is just my opinion. As far as I know, there is no policy on it either way. Leevclarke talk Max_logo_mini.png bulldog_puppy.png 22:22, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
Disappointed, incidentally, to see that I am the first to offer any constructive input on this topic. I would have thought that any wikian contributing to a Yew Grove discussion would be above mocking a spelling mistake in lieu of anything helpful. Leevclarke talk Max_logo_mini.png bulldog_puppy.png 22:25, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
It's just kind of hard to take a thread that is put together like this seriously. *shrug* I personally don't want to see another mega-billion-bytes-long discussion on this.http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3921/thehimmemote.pngGone. 22:52, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
Well maybe a policy one way or the other would be a good addition to the wiki.  ;-) Leevclarke talk Max_logo_mini.png bulldog_puppy.png 23:42, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
I'd support a policy that allows for moderate and unexcessive swearing, like the kind that is found on many talk pages. There really is no point in banning it, since most users will continue to swear anyways. --LiquidTalk 23:43, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
I just don't think that another discussion like this is necessary. I'd bet fifty bucks it ends the exact same way. Maybe not quite so long, but with the same outcome (that is, nothing) http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3921/thehimmemote.pngGone. 23:50, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I'm fine with cursing and such as long as it doesn't violate RS:UTP. Also I don't like racial slurs or derogatory terms. scoot4.pngscooties 23:45, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I feel people should just use common sense when choosing to swear. As long as it doesn't violate the User Treatment Policy, I'm fine with some swearing, just as long as it isn't used excessively. ~MuzTalk 00:00, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Support-Freedom of speech, and it's not like we havn't heard any swear words before.Dragon 2h sword old.png Vex 327 Dragon full helm.png 00:52, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose racism - I'm okay with swearing, but with racism...just no. Fishing.png NnK Oliver (600613) talk 00:56, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Using racism against others would go against RS:UTP, so you most likely won't have to worry about racism. ~MuzTalk 00:59, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
I also oppose derogatory terms. They should be banned whether said towards a person or not. scoot4.pngscooties 01:03, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - We are able to block words from being used on the wiki through Special:SpamRegex. This would easily cut down on vandalism but would disable our ability to use those words in non-vandalism situations. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 01:24, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Do what we do in rs...censor evade ;). Lol scoot4.pngscooties 01:32, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I think that this discussion has been had before, and I don't see a policy change in the near future. Everything that people are arguing in support of is already covered in current policy. RS:UTP, along with common sense, should define what is acceptable, and that's pretty much how it works now. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 18:37, February 23, 2010 (UTC) 

Comment - If people are on this website, they are just one or two clicks away from websites like Encyclopedia Dramatica, 4chan, etc. People who are involved in internet communities should be mature enough to deal with inappropriate material should they find it. If someone's swearing really offends you, there is a very simple 2-step solution. 1) Ask them nicely to stop, and 2) Don't get involved in a place where they are swearing. I think that users who are considerate of others should warn people when inappropriate material is present (like in our Slang dictionary), but if people choose not to, so what. If you are 13, like is "required" to have a wikia account, you're almost in high-school, and if you cant handle a little language here and there on talk pages then, well... (not to offend anyone of course, merely an example). I think we should all be able to conduct ourselves as adults (or at least young adults) and deal with a little inappropriate material here and there. --Aburnett(Talk) 19:53, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Support allowing vulgarity - Freedom of speech. It's really not that big of a deal. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 02:47, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

Support User Page mild vulgarity, Oppose it on others talk pages - Some people are really offended by it, so if you swear on another users talk page, prepare for a block. (violating the UTP) But keep it to your user page or your talk page, that keeps it fair. No one has to go to your User or talk page, so it is on them if they go and see some thing that offends them. But you shouldn't have the right to go swear on another users page unless they specifically say they do not mind. Respect and consideration for others can only improve the community and the human race. Lets keep that on the top of our lists of how to behave.--Degenret01 04:41, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

Support mild vulgarity Well... my opinion is the same as Degenret01 and Muzzy34... No swearing on the talk pages of others or racist comments. Vesta's longsword.png Nat12345919 Talk Zuriel's staff.png 04:55, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

Support allowing vulgarity - not only mild vulgarity, although I don't know how one would classify that. I think it's fine to say just about any word but the context must be taken into account every time. For example, if someone said on their userpage "TheElijah is a fucking fucker" (sorry I'm not creative with my insults), that shouldn't be allowed as it's a personal attack. People should have the freedom to give their opinions on things though, no matter how controversial they are, such as saying "I hate ____ people" (insert any adjective). But they shouldn't be allowed to say anything directly (or an obvious indirect reference) related to another user or multiple users here. However, if one was to say "Fuck you, Tz-Tok Jad!" it would be okay in my book. Jad might crush you irl for saying that but luckily, he doesn't exist. Or, "My friend was banned because he was hacked to change his name to NiggerFaggot" How about we only ban swearing on userpages if it intends to hurt the feelings of someone with a decent chance of reading it? We could say that it's okay to say whatever you want about celebrities, for example, or politicians, but not wikians. I know I'm going to get a lot of crap for this post but it's my opinion. Live with it. Slayer helmet.png 20:03, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

We shouldn't even be having this discussion - It's been made quite clear for a long time that unless it is blatantly inappropriate/offensive (such as racism) then anything is fine. It is your personal page and if someone doesn't like seeing swear words then they don't have to read it. Andrew talk 20:34, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

Request for closure In light of Forum:RE: Swearing (which Dave was kind enough to point out earlier), another huge discussion here would be a tremendous waste of time. Elijah makes a good point, and the context of profanity (combined with some common sense) should usually be enough. Maybe it is enough to take any alleged infractions on a case-by-case basis. Leevclarke talk Max_logo_mini.png bulldog_puppy.png 22:00, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - It has already been established that profanity on personal pages and personal discussions is acceptable as long as it does not involve harrassment or personal attacks. Our policies regarding userspace are far more permissive than our standards for articles, discussions about articles, and discussions about site wide policies. We have had this discussion many times before, and it only ever leads to a flame war. There is no reason to revisit this issue. Dtm142 22:10, February 24, 2010 (UTC)