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This thread was archived on 29 January 2011 by Liquidhelium.

I think we would benefit of video guides for quests, maybe bossfights and things like that. There are probably quite a lot of people who like video guides more than other guides, as then some problems like "i did search the bushes! Oh, i searched the wrong bushes!" are solved. I have the problem too, sometimes, and then the guide is not clear enough. Of course we can always add it to the article, but i can imagine people would like video guides for the quests anyway. We will then of course have to make a video policy, as we don't want a "video guide" on every article. Just on all quest pages, some bosses higher than level X etc. We need to set requirements for what would get a video guide and what not, if we want video guides on pages.

Discussion

Support - As nom. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 20:55, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Question - How would we get the videos? There are like a plethora of videos for each quest on youtube, but, as far as I know, most of the are bad. ɳex undique 21:02, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Like we do our images ourselves, we will also do our videos ourselves. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 21:07, January 18, 2011 (UTC)
I guess it could be done, but it would take quite a while for them as many people have already finished most quests. Also, just as bad images occasionally get uploaded, bad videos would also be. ɳex undique 21:09, January 18, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, but is there a problem with the bad images? if they are too bad, they get deleted, and else it is not a problem, is it? And we shouldn't be afraid to do more work to get our goal completed. If we want video guides, we should be prepared to do work for it. I think it really adds, and i will definetely make video guides with my other accounts. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 21:12, January 18, 2011 (UTC)
I'm not talking about the work, but I think it is unrealistic to have someone video a quest like WGS (which would take forever until someone decides to do it) without having some problems in it. Of course they could always be edited out, but a quest like that takes hours, and something's bound to go overlooked in that process. But this is definitely a possibility for other shorter quests. ɳex undique 21:19, January 18, 2011 (UTC)
Then we might seperate it into multiple chapters or something. We could also think of something else. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 21:33, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - (edit conflict x3) There are at least 4 significant problems:

  • Requires wikians willing to video every move they make in a quest, even if it slows the quest down considerably
  • High-level quests will take a loooooong time to make full video guides for
    • Uses for guides are greatly limited - a visual can't show as much as a written guide
  • Quests requiring guides are also quite short in number - only one I can think of is MEP2 the instructions are boooooring

Real Nub 21:13, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Note that this is not only about quests. It is also for boss fights, (minigames) or maybe other things that need guides. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 21:33, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Over complicates making guides, there would be little uniformity, and not easily edited. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 21:41, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Neutral - While I think that videos guides are generally overkill and even annoying for the user as they have to wait for the buffer to load for just one specific part, I do think that some situations (e.g. jad's special attacks) are better explained with a video, and esp. when sound effect are involved, animated gifs no longer serve the purpose. So basically video guides on complex/tricky boss fights yes, but not anywhere else. ~Artwich 21:46, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

If it's just sound effects that you're concerned with, they could always just be recorded and put in the article for reference to. ɳex undique 21:48, January 18, 2011 (UTC)
It isn't "just sound effects" I'm concerned with. It is if video and audio go hand in hand (i.e. must be in sync) that I think video guides may be useful. ~Artwich 21:56, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - No, just no. This is a wiki. Leave the video guides to YouTube where they belong. Andrew talk 22:03, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Why can't we change the wiki to get video guides too? It makes things clearer. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 22:08, January 18, 2011 (UTC)
Why don't you stop pointlessly forcing your one-sided opinions on every opposer? I stated why I don't want video guides. Leave it at that. Andrew talk 22:37, January 18, 2011 (UTC)
Can't i discuss things anymore? If i wouldn't answer votes, it would just be a plain "support/oppose" sheet and thats it. That is not a discussion... JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 22:43, January 18, 2011 (UTC)
You've completely missed my point. Andrew talk 00:46, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
Then explain it to me. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 00:57, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - I like the way Andrew put that. And videos are not easily edited by the community to fix something like a wiki article is. The issue with selecting the wrong bush could be solved with an image. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 22:07, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

"wrong bush" what bush? JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 22:08, January 18, 2011 (UTC)
The one you mentioned in your opening. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 22:53, January 18, 2011 (UTC)
oh ye XD I thought you were talking about some other bush Lol JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 22:59, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Strong oppose - I really hate it when I see video guides listed when new quests come out. It's just really out of place. Text and pictures are sufficient. Suppa chuppa Talk 22:11, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Support - For some harder quests like Regicide this can make quests easier. When I did it there was a video on the quest page but I had to remove it, but I did end up using it and it made the quest a lot easier. This can also help us make use of our youtube account. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 22:16, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - We don't have the video namespace for a reason. We also don't have videos in articles or guides as it is unattractive. Another issue is that if we allow for this, it invites for more personal items like Charlie. We got rid of the extension and I would see that it also applies here. I am forever against using video as a guide. We are a Wiki, an encyclopedia were words and imagery are prevalent, not movies hosted here or elsewhere. Sorry, but no. Ryan PM 22:49, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - No thank you. If people want to get video guides they know where to look. Us doing them would compromise quality and in my opinion just look bad. ʞooɔ 23:02, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Strong oppose - This will lead to nothing but edit warring and adds nothing that a concisely worded paragraph of text cannot. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 23:09, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - While I would love to see my guides posted on the wiki and maybe get triple the views they currently do, I see a problem with posting guides on a big wiki like this one. Everyone who has an account and makes guides is going to want theirs posted. They will constantly remove other people and add theirs. If someone wants a video guide, they can go to YouTubeGuthix1110 00:01, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Low-quality videos plastered all over the Wiki? No, thanks. It looks very unprofessional and is detrimental to the quality of an article, per all. If someone uploads a 1080p video I might reconsider. Lol 222 talk 00:19, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Then set a minimum quality? JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 00:41, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - We don't have to use youtube. We can also upload it to the rswiki as an .ogg file. example. (it is works with Javascript though. I don't know if that will give any problems) JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 08:55, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Too hard to edit. bad_fetustalk 16:58, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose 16px‎AtlandyBeer.png 17:37, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - I would be the one to jump straight onto this and say that i'll upload tons of boss monsters guides, but the fact that it will take ages to make a video guide is already a heavy factor... What if Jagex update one small thing on the interface? The whole video is out of date and requires recapturing... Too much work... RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 17:51, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - There are numerous video guides on YouTube. In addition, if there is a tricky portion of the quest (search bush 1 and die, search bush 2 and get 100M), a good image should solve it (image of a map with an arrow pointing at bush 2). User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 18:55, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - The only way this would work is by doing commentaries. And even then we won't find a decent user to make this because of understanding accents.   Swizz Talk   Events!   17:20, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Accents aren't really that hard to understand. LordDarkPhantom 21:08, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - I have no doubt that the videos uploaded will be of a bad quality. Besides, plenty of videos already exist on YT, and, if that is what you want, simply go onto YT and search for one ;) LordDarkPhantom 21:08, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - I love making videos and rsmvs, but there's no way to go back and re-do the quests just to add a video, so we'd have to rely on people who hope they know what they're doing. Who knows if they'll upload a good-quality video or not? There's no telling, we'd have such a wide range, and there would be fights over which video is better for new quests, etc etc. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 23:10, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Support if a person who can make them with quality actually wants to make them - Matt (t) 02:54, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

Offsite/Youtube

Isn't that why we approved an official wiki YT channel? I just do not recall anyone making vids for it yet. So really, this is already approved. I do not recall the full details but I think it works out to be people submit their video guides, it is reviewed, and if suitable joins our channel lineup. Chicken7 was running it.--Degenret01 13:16, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

I fear that if there is so much oppose this will then be removed... JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 15:15, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
After consensus was achieved at Forum:Abolish TheRuneScapeWikia Youtube channel, Winston closed the account. Unless someone's recreated it since (in which case it should be removed again), there is no YT channel, and I oppose opening it again - we'll only end up with pointless videos clogging it again. Real Nub 17:25, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
That was indeed a different account, and the "new" one had consensus to open. I just do not think we ever had any vids done.--Degenret01 17:40, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
Chicken7 created a new account and made a few (decent) videos but have recently retired leaving the account orphaned. Sadface. He did make a quest guide on it, it was pretty good. We never really decided what videos we would put on it so it was, in the end, pretty useless. We could just let the account rot or let someone else take control over it. I prefer option 1.   Swizz Talk   Events!   18:14, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

I oppose reopening the YT account on the same grounds as I opposed allowing videos here - it will just lead to a bunch of arguing over whose video is better with a million wannabe Tehnoobshows trying to use the wiki channel as their springboard to popularity. And there's nothing that can be shown in video that can't be shown in pictures and words. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 09:50, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - Videos will not be used in guides, nor will the YouTube account be reopened. --LiquidTalk 02:44, January 29, 2011 (UTC)