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This thread was archived on 16 November 2012 by TyA.

With the latest code release on Wikia, [[Special:Videos]] was added. I figured a good place to discuss the new addition could be here, and possibly modify our media policy towards videos (currently found at RS:IMAGES#Video) if we so choose.

What do we want to do about it? Do we want to look into the possibility of creating video guides for our YouTube channel, and then placing them on the wiki with this new tool? Use it for the BtS videos for the relevant pages? Or do we want to have it removed all together?

Edit - Wikia has stated they'll disable it if we decide to go that course.

Discussion[edit source]

Threat Creator - svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 21:14, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

No videos - tey'r bad. MolMan 21:15, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - If we had good guides made by competent video editor[s], it could be extremely useful. However, it would be a heck of a lot of work for those people, when they could just put it on their own YouTube channel and monetise it. If someone is willing to do it, and has at least some experience with making videos/game commentaries, possibly. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 21:22, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - The vast majority of videos we might use in content-space (main, beta, update, etc.) can be found on youtube. I'm unaware of any other official recognised sources we might use that do otherwise. With this in mind, I'm happy with the current youtube extension we have enabled. With the current rise in BTS videos, especially those appearing in news posts, I'm willing to adapt the relevant policy to allow us to use official jagex made videos as sources as long as it's done with some degree of common sense. the only real benefit I can see is making the code on pages a little easier to follow, although I don't know what parameters these videos will/won't support aside from the obvious resizing.

Allowing 'personal' videos to be hosted here is likely to confuse users with regards to RS:NOT#HOST, regardless of whether the video is actually uploaded to the wiki or not. cqm 21:36, 7 Nov 2012 (UTC) (UTC)

Where all are videos currently being used in the main space? svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 21:37, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
might was a word I missed. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 21:44, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose any use of this feature - To sum it up quickly regarding mainspace videos: Different qualities, would quickly be outdated, different opinions on which video editor is better, people would get lazy and stop making them, etc. Per every other video YG that's never passed. Regarding using them for things like the BTS, don't we already embed those? We just don't upload them. I don't see a reason to change this - making it a file would just be way too much work. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 23:21, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

I like the way you said it. You're my new reason. MolMan 23:32, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - Fergie pretty much summed up everything I was going to say What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 23:30, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

Questions:

a) Can the Video feature be used by all registered users, much like the File namespace?
b) How much easier is it to add a video from the RuneScape YouTube channel with Wikia Video than with the youtube tag?
c) Resource usage? Does a video that isn't playing only display a thumbnail of itself?
d) Would Wikia Video be useful to quickly embed short videos? I can foresee this being useful for tidbits of information that are more easily shown in a video, such as the optimal inventory position for a high-alch, or a collection of safespot positions, or a short video guide for a single quest puzzle, or I don't know what else (video makers please fill me in).
 a proofreader ▸ 

00:10, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

a) All logged in users can use it.
b) To add a video with Wikia Video, you'll need to go to Special:Video, click add new video, and then paste a link to the video. With the youtube tags, you can just use the video link.
c) An example of a video can be found at [[w:c:zammy:Video]]. It displays a thumbnail (plus a view counter). svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 00:19, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
a) Good.
b) Meh.
c) Thanks for the example. After viewing it, I went to its page again, refreshed it, cleared my cache, refreshed it again and it still said 0 views. I also don't see where to edit which YouTube video is targeted by a given File, which could be useful to change if a user directs a link to a video that gets taken down then uploaded to another account, or directs a link to a video that's an advertisement for a product or whatever (but under a legitimate name, like 'RuneScape LiveStream'). Are there any "video link revisions" for this Video stuff?  a proofreader ▸  00:44, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
To change the video, you'll need to go to the file page and click the upload new version button (same as for images). This will take you to a different special page where you paste the video link for the new version. The revisions can be reverted in the same way as images, but this turns it into just the image of the thumbnail, not a functioning video. [[w:c:zammy:File:The Tra La La Song Music Video - Full Version]] is an example file page where all of those have been done. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 01:34, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
Oppose - I can't support such a bad implementation. Maybe in the future.  a proofreader ▸  01:39, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - No thanks Constitution.png Hair 00:14, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - No need, youtube videos can already be on the pages. — Jr Mime (talk) 00:50, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - I oppose any use of this feature and I think, like personal images, videos should be deleted upon upload. YT vids will more than suffice should a video be needed in an article. Karlis (talk) (contribs) 01:25, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

The feature can be disabled so we wouldn't have to worry about deleting video uploads. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 02:39, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
Even better. :) Karlis (talk) (contribs) 02:45, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
Ditto. -- Recent uploads SpineTalkGuest book 02:47, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - This is poorly done and I want nothing to do with it. At least they're letting us disable it. ʞooɔ 03:56, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - Other than killing it with fire, we'll still have that single video file and we don't need to be uploading anymore of them to the wiki. Video guides on the wiki isn't good as one can't be easily changed as with text can. No oversight and this would only create a larger vanity issue than we had with images. Ryan PM 04:19, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - While some wikis have done a good job integrating videos into their wiki, I don't think that videos have a place on the RuneScape Wiki, as per Fergie. Blaze_fire.png12.png 05:30, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - No go away. Ronan Talk 08:33, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - We are quite unique in how encyclopaedic we are compared to other wikis. I like that. 222 talk 08:43, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no shoo. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 15:27, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

y sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 15:28, November 9, 2012 (UTC)
cuz User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 15:31, November 9, 2012 (UTC)
Fswe1 has his reasons.  a proofreader ▸  23:23, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFd5Cci_pE4 no no no no no no no no no no no no there's no limit. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 16:16, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - Making a video has far too troublesome and time-wasting if editors have to follow the guidelines. Besides, the current function in embedding YouTube videos is just great. I don't see how worth does this new function helps contributing to the articles. Explore and enjoy the world! TIMMMO Work it with all my heart!++Discuss Sign 16:28, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Remove Video feature from weekee - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqs9DYisSsg. It's not suitable for our wiki. HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 08:27, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

Can't tell if an example of random, inappropriate upload or your stance on the matter. But if the latter is the case, you look like a giant, stubborn ass (pun intended). MolMan 17:48, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

Neutral -

The good part - Pretty much the same as our uploading images to our database rather than importing them from off-site hosts. As I'm partial to quests, I feel videos is going to be a huge help in creating guides for the difficult parts, say boss fights, or the puzzle in EW3. Or maybe for the community - guides and tips for creating your own signature, or how to snap images according to RS:IMG.
The bad part - Obviously, as it is with images, there's going to abuse of this power. People may tend to upload personal, irrelevant, long, bad-quality videos which needs constant supervision, making it more stressful for anti-vandals to manage them.
Comment - We don't have to use this for everything. We may still continue to embed official BTS videos for references and such. --Alchez 09:13, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose I agree with 222 16px‎AtlandyBeer.png

Notice of Intent - I've contacted Wikia to have the feature disabled. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 21:00, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Closed - The feature is disabled. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 00:14, November 16, 2012 (UTC)