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For those of you who are unaware, Ventrilo is a voice chat program used for a great many things, gaming included. Its no secret that the Runescape chat interface is a little of a hassle to work with when you need to be active. For those of you with microphones we can make the process so much easier and have a much nicer environment for communicating with each other. For those of you who are not following, voice chat is available for users with a microphone to connect to what is essentially a huge lobby where you can stream your voice live for other users to listen to and respond.

I currently have admin to a server large enough to accommodate moderate traffic should anyone want to participate. So far I have been talking about the idea with Karlis in the ventrilo, we have also gotten a few other users to venture in and start using it. If interest sparks enough, we may be able to invest in a server strictly for Runescape players from the wiki to congregate and coordinate events.

To get started, take a look at this guide[1] after visitng and downloading the client software. You can find the information needed to connect to the server that we are using at the moment at the bottom of my userpage. I would be glad to answer any questions you may have about the program and how it works. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 10:29, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I would like to comment that I use this, and have used ventrilo for several years across many MMO's. I also would like to stress that this is not affiliated with the wiki, and therefor we cannot enforce the rules there. This is for mature users who are capable of holding mature conversations and will not get upset or offended easily. Voice chat is easier to communicate with, and that is the sole purpose of it. The community is full of wonderful people, this will make communicating with them and getting involved with them much easier. Karlis (talk) (contribs) 10:38, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
I would also like to comment. I tried this out for a bit yesterday, and it was very cool. I had a few technical problems but Tebuddy was there to help me with them. It is easier to talk and chat by far. Everyone that would like to do this, may sure you understand Karlis's above comment. I too find that really important. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 18:42, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Awesome. I'll consider hopping on at some point. However, don't be disappointed if you expected my voice to be a stellar opera-singer baritone. It's really not. -Byte_Master bytesig2.png bytesig3.png 19:17, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Psh, no Baritone, no vent!!! =P Karlis (talk) (contribs) 19:23, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Aww, but..! -Byte_Master bytesig2.png bytesig3.png 19:25, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Fine, 1 exception. ;) Karlis (talk) (contribs) 19:26, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
I would to sound a big warning about the use of Ventrilo, which is proprietary software, and therefore subject to vendor lock-in (just as its rival, Skype is). Wikipedia says of Ventrilo: "there is no version for Linux" and "the Mac OS X client is still unable to properly use most servers", so we may be limiting use to people running Windows. I think it would be much better to use the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP), which allows users to choose where to get their account, and where to get their client software (which they can choose based on their operating system and personal preferences). If everyone is using Ventrilo then the makers of it can decide at some point in the future that they are going to start charging for the client or the service or both, and there's nothing anyone can do about it because we're all tied up in their products, and if one person wants to use something else then everyone has to. Imagine we're all using Vodafone's telephone service, and they don't let you call people on other networks, so everyone you know has to use Vodafone too. Then one person decides they're not happy with Vodafone, and wants to switch to Orange - but then they can't call anyone still on Vodafone. We wouldn't stand for it with telephones, so why should we allow it with VOIP? By using the SIP, anyone on any operating system can choose where to get their account, and use software that works and that they like, and everyone can still communicate with everyone else. Leevclarke talk Max_logo_mini.png bulldog_puppy.png 20:24, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
It's not associated with the wiki; it's something provided by a current user. If somebody doesn't want to log on, they don't have to. It's not intended to replace cc, it's something users can use to make communication easier. It's free for anyone to use, simple to set up, and once again, already available at no cost. There is no need for you to advertise alternatives or sound warnings about it, that's uncalled for. You make it sound like they'll hook us in, then start charging $40 per log-in. I've been using Ventrilo for almost 4 years, and have never once had any issue you describe. There's no point in changing something we already have available because 1 person can't get on or feel uncomfortable with it. I have played with hundreds of PC and Mac users on vent, and have had very, very few problems. This was not intended as a discussion, rather providing information for those who wish to use the service. If you want to use something else with other people, feel free. =) Karlis (talk) (contribs) 20:31, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't know what angle your coming from, but I fear you are over-analyzing Ventrilo and its use leevclarke. Also, ventrilo's client software is free and will remain free for as long as they continue to release new versions as they have stated it many times. They only charge for their server software which is used to host large servers with hundreds of clients, like the ventrilo I am offering to the community. And also, wikipedia is a terrible software information source. Ventrilo has had a macintosh version for a while now, and a linux version is in development. See here [2] Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 20:37, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I would use this, but then everyone in my house would think I was weird if I was constantly talking while on the laptop.  Tien  20:38, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

You can tell them you're on Ventrilo. =) It's not as weird or uncommon as one may think. I talk to myself all the time even off vent....*wanders off* Karlis didn't really forget to sign this, just trailed off...
The problem is, my parents don't know I play RuneScape. And if I were to use Ventrilo, I would be talking every night. o.O  Tien  20:45, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, well you could still join for coordinated events and listen. I had lots of people do that in WoW. Karlis (talk) (contribs) 21:14, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I would use this, but my microphone jack on my laptop is malfunctioning :(.

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20:59, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

OK, I may have mistaken this for a proposition to roll out a new communication method for wikians as a whole (which I have seen suggested a couple of times). I do use VOIP with my brother when we are both playing RS at the same time, but it's not Ventrilo. I will say though that if we did do something on a grander scale, SIP would be a better choice than anything proprietary protocols... but I think I made that point adequately above.  ;-) Leevclarke talk Max_logo_mini.png bulldog_puppy.png 21:03, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, just updated my drivers, mic works again. I'll be on Vent :).

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21:05, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Leeve, ventrilo is not proprietary. It uses very common voice codecs. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 21:10, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
I believe the codec used on the server available is Speex. Karlis (talk) (contribs) 21:13, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Your userpage says you don't like how there are many minors on the wiki, before I enter the Ventrilo server, would you mind a 13 year old with a pretty low voice on? :p

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21:12, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

More often then not, younger users tend to attract unwanted attention and cause alot of problems. As long as you don't do either, I don't mind. Like I say on my page, just be cool. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 21:22, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Comment - We have gotten 5 users from clan chat onto the ventrilo so far. This is cool, dont be afraid if you have a mic. We can get everything set up! Even if you dont have a mic you can still listen and participate. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 21:43, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I really like this :D

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22:10, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I truly like this (although I do have a mic, have been in the chat, I rarely talk on it) and it could be a better solution for our more mature users. Ryan PM 03:20, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I'll look into it when I return from vacation... :)

Bonziiznob Talk

03:37, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I used it and loved it. It's a lot easier to communicate and you don't have to worry about being reported for a misunderstanding, especially since we've had that problem in the clan chat a lot. *whispers* Kaaaarrrlliiiisssss Andrew talk 05:36, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I would love to use this, but I am a total newb when it comes to my computer mic. :S Rollback crown.svg Spencer (Talk | Edits | Contribs) 05:39, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Three words: Get a Mac. Built-in mics ftw! :D Andrew talk 05:41, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
I have two Mac laptops and a Nobilis laptop that have built in mics... I think. :/ Rollback crown.svg Spencer (Talk | Edits | Contribs) 19:22, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Same, Spence. I don't even know if I have one, lawl.  Tien  12:17, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad this is turning out to become more popular than I originally expected. TeBuddy, we should discuss getting our own private server so we don't flood your friends'. It's a minor expense I don't mind, as I have some buddies from WoW who like to chat with me from time to time as well. Karlis (talk) (contribs) 19:26, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

The greedy bastard in me is saying go for it, I'd love for us to have a Vent server, but the good person in me is saying don't pay for one yourself.

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20:08, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I hosted a vent server for my guild in WoW for over 2 years (30 and eventually 50 man servers). The cost is minor from a friend, and the freedom of customization and allowing more users on seems worth it. =) Karlis (talk) (contribs) 20:12, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
If you're sure you're fine with it, I'll support. Talking on Vent is so much easier than typing. 20:14, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Certainly. Though it is not a replacement for CC and we shouldn't neglect it. =) If we can get some more support, I'll talk to Te about it. Karlis (talk) (contribs) 20:18, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
If we were to get a server to ourselves, to whom and how many would we need to host? Because some servers cost more than others - i.e. 32 spots on a server from Tactically Sound (a US based company) costs $12.80 (USD) a month, while Multiplay costs $11.12 (USD) per month (or cheaper depending on how long you pre-pay), although these are the two companies I suggest a server from (and Multiplay allows people to switch from Ventrilo to Teamspeak at any time), but how many of people of the community actual have headsets and/or microphones (built-in or the like)? Although they can listen, it may be in the best interest to use the CC for feedback relating to what is said while using Ventrilo. Although I rarely speak (and either I was too loud or too soft for the two times I spoke), I really can see the benefits that this brings with it. As a final note, I cannot see how this would break any rules as this program does not interfere with the gameplay, nor does it enhance it, all it accomplishes is a better communication relay that is more presentable to the entire wiki (nevertheless, I don't think any of our dial-up users, or those with bad lag already can use it). Ryan PM 21:28, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
This is SO MUCH easier then typing, like Instant just stated. 2 days ago was the first time I've ever used it, and so far I have chatted with several WIkians and have had a great time. I am not using the CC so much now. =/ I don't know about the servers and stuff like that, as I am a Newbie to Ventrilo. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 21:30, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Like I said, I can get it cheap. If someone can't use vent or doesn't want to, they don't have to. If they can't or don't want to talk, they don't have to. Responding in the CC has been a viable option for those currently unable to speak on vent. While the CC will be more quiet, those who have been in it for any period of time know it's quiet anyways. Vent is rarely, if ever, quiet. Karlis (talk) (contribs) 21:40, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I installed it now and was speaking a bit with Tebuddy and Bluesonic. It's neat, and very convenient. I'll be on later tonight :)

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22:16, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I think its a great idea. As soon as my desktop is back up and running I'll be sure to pop in.--Quest point hood.png Bigm2793Talk Quest point cape.png 22:21, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Oppose a private server. RuneScape Wiki users should not be forced to compromise their privacy to communicate with other wikians ingame. This channel cannot be affiliated with the RuneScape Wiki in any way, nor can it replace clan chat or IRC. It should be noted that it [ violates Rule 7] to run any type of live, RuneScape related chat that does not enforce Jagex's rules. Furthermore, it is against [ Rule 11] to advertise any third party program ingame (especially a rule breaking one). If you advertise this in our clan chat, you will be kicked and reported. Dtm142 22:30, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Im not expert on linguistics, but Jagex defines an unfair advantage by software that manipulates the game or provides a service that no one else can gain access to. Ventrilo is free, unrelated to gaming specifically or Runescape, and only requires a microphone. Secondly, the only place we are advertising anything is in my userpage and this topic, by the time any talk about ventrilo is actually happening, its when people are already in the server. Thirdly, this Ventrilo is not a "Wikia" or "Runescape" server. It will be a server paid for by a member of the community who chooses to allow Runescape players to use it when they please. Finally, Ventrilo and other voice chat program use is widespread in Runescape and Jagex is aware of this.

If the software has its own integrated chat feature, separate from the game chat, it should make it very clear to users that this chat is not part of our games and is not official, endorsed or moderated by Jagex in any way. Furthermore, this chat should still be moderated (just not by us), and the moderators should not allow chat which infringes our rules of conduct. To avoid confusion with the official game chat, moderators of the external chat should not be indicated with a silver or gold crown. If the chat is IRC based, then the software should only allow access to IRC channels which conform with the above rules.

I would reccomend you try it before you shun it Dtm.Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 22:40, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

How the freaking hell does it break rule 7? We gain no advantage by using Vent other than not having to type out messages. Also, we aren't forcing people to use it.

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22:43, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

[ As listed here (see point 11)], If the software has its own integrated chat feature, separate from the game chat, it should make it very clear to users that this chat is not part of our games and is not official, endorsed or moderated by Jagex in any way. Furthermore, this chat should still be moderated (just not by us), and the moderators should not allow chat which infringes our rules of conduct. This is what I am referring to. You do not need to use an autominer to break Rule 7. There are 11 rules listed there. I do not feel comfortable talking out loud with strangers over the internet (God knows what kind of people there are out there), nor do I have a sound system set up that enables me to do this. I know that you are not forcing people to use it, but using it as an official method of communication will undermine IRC and clan chat which are both legal and easily accessible to all Wikians. Dtm142 22:52, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
I think your trying to shovel against a landslide. The response I have gotten from everyone I have told about it and gotten into the server has been overwhelmingly positive. The chat will be moderated and malicious rule breaking will not be tolerated Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 22:57, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
You have indicated here that People do swear and topics are not moderated. Which is it? Dtm142 23:00, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
First of all, that is the temporary server we are using now. It is owned by my clan, and I simply offered it up to see what the community response will be. When the server meant for wikians and Runescape players goes up, we will obviously has some guidelines as to what is appropriate and what is not as well as nods to the Jagex rules about cheating and scamming. Trust me DTM, karlis and myself have been discussing this in detail for several days. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 23:07, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Could I possibly have some input on the ventrilo stuff as well? I'm pretty sure I'll be using it a lot. 23:08, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
That solves the issue with Jagex's rules, but it still does not address my concerns of user privacy and accessibility. If it becomes an official method of communication, it will remove traffic from IRC and clan chat and would likely divide the community. I have no problem with Wikians who choose to use it, but it should not be officially affiliated with the RuneScape Wiki. Dtm142 23:16, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
As I said it will not be, the ventrilo will simply be available to Runescape and wikia users and be owned by a member of the community. As well, IRC gets near no traffic, and clan chat is usually maxed out with 12-15 users. Also, whenever I am in game I connect to the wikia clan chat. So whether I am in ventrilo with other people or not, I am in cc. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 23:20, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
It's rather simple Dtm. If you don't want to log on, don't. If you're concerned with privacy, don't log on. The intention of this post is not to find an alternative to CC or IRC, it's to inform users that Ventrilo is available for those who want to use it. It's not even a suggestion or a discussion. It's information that is non-debatable. If you feel uncomfortable, you don't have to join. It's 100% optional, and is intended for the mature portion of our community. Karlis (talk) (contribs) 23:22, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Furthermore, we are not Jagex, and the server is in no way connected to RuneScape or the RuneScape Wiki. It is a personal server, intended for friends and others who are interested. I will have friends who are not on the wiki on as well. It is in no way different than using something like AIM, MSN, MySpace, etc. It's a personal choice, and completely optional. Karlis (talk) (contribs) 23:27, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
I am aware that IRC usually has low traffic. Clan chat varies, I've seen it get quite busy. Anyway, I don't have any problems with a private server as long as it is not advertised ingame or used as an official communication medium similar to IRC or clan chat. If it is really privately owned as you say and has no connection with the RuneScape Wiki, I have no issues with it any more than private Youtube channels, Myspace pages, or MSN. Dtm142 23:37, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Sounds Fine, Although I will not be using it, I don't mind the typing to talk to people in the cc =P lol Attack Ancient Fofo Slayer 23:53, 20 March 2009 (UTC)