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This thread was archived on 9 January 2011 by Aburnett.

This proposal is very simple: Should we add skill clickpics to normal text?

I think that adding skill clickpics makes it far easier to quickly scan the article for what you require, instead of reading large chunks of text. Also, I think that they look good.

Naysayers may say that it looks like a production of Sesame Street (I've never watched that), but I hardly think that this will lower class when the WoW ads, the large rails on the right side of the page and the numerous wikia Gaming wiki ads have already destroyed it.

I have made two examples: With skill clickpics, Without skill clickpics.

So, the question is: Should we add skill clickpics to normal text?

Discussion

Strong support - as nominator (Yes I only found out that I'd have to write oppose after I made the above Lol) LordDarkPhantom 10:02, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Pending, leaning to support - Is it possible to make the clickpics a little smaller? If so, then I support. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 13:40, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

If we resized them, they would look fuzzy. I'll see if I can do something about that. LordDarkPhantom 14:01, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
We could try making SVGs. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 19:22, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
No, i think to show the skill it is best to have the official icon. The hiscores icon of the skills is smaller however, so maybe we could make a new template using that images for use in text. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 00:59, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Support - But make the pics slightly smaller so it's the same size as the text. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 13:43, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Support - As long as the pictures do no interfere with the flow of the text, and the images are the same size of the text as Sentra said. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 18:45, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Changed to Oppose - After thinking of it some more, I have to oppose this. While it may seem like a good idea to have, it seems like it will be more of a burden then a benefit as it will lead to several images being placed in articles that will make it harder to scan the paragraphs quickly for the information. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 07:20, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

Make them smaller - Dey r to big. Make SVGs like Steler said, and put them in the text instead. Real Nub 20:32, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - When on earth did they get added? The pictures clearly interrupt the flow of text unnecessarily when a simple word would suffice. Apply the KISS principle here. --LiquidTalk 20:34, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Urm.. am I the only one who doesn't know what the KISS acronym stands for? LordDarkPhantom 10:51, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
Keep it simple, stupid. --LiquidTalk 17:04, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - The requirements to equip/use something is information that someone only needs to read once. There's no real benefit to making these requirements "easier" to find by putting an unattractive and visually disrupting picture right in the middle of the text. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 21:27, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

P.S. I changed the wording of the proposal, and all existing comments, to make it so "support" means you support skill clickpics, the topic of the thread. As liquid said, KISS. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 21:28, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
Visually disrupting? Move your eyes from left to right, what's the difficulty? ANyways, the part of the text that will show the requirements will be the part that you need not ever read again. LordDarkPhantom 10:51, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Support SVG's Oppose - SVG's can be resized at will to fit the size of text. Per all. The disruption to reading, as well as the un-encyclopaedic look have shown it is more detrimental than beneficial. 222 talk 23:32, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

So can png's and gif's Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 01:31, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
That's not the same at all. SVGs don't become pixilated when re-sized, but PNGs and GIFs do. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 23:52, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
Yes when resized to be bigger, not smaller. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 00:54, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
It works both ways, just not as well when you size them down significantly. The examples Psycho gave are considerably clean, compared to a PNG/GIF of the same original size. Either way, making SVGs was just a suggestion. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 17:27, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Condescending question - What is the point of making SVGs just for this if we can just do Ranged-icon.png? Yes, SVGs are infinitely scaleable, but when the bitmap image is that small to begin with, and is being made smaller, there's next to no increase in quality or clarity over a simple scale down of the bitmap image. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 00:10, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

Can't you see that it has gone blurry? 222 talk 00:30, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
An svg is blurry when its scaled down that small as well. Replacement filing cabinet.svg [[File:Nature rune detail.svg|13px]] Marimbo symbol.svg SVGs are generated differently than bitmap images, but they are still reliant on pixels to display the images to you. So no matter what, when you get that small, the size of the pixels prevent any kind of clarity, be it from SVG or bitmap image. It may be more prudent to just the skill images from the high scores. Though I still oppose using any type of image for this purpose, i don't want a bunch of useless SVG duplicates uploaded when they won't lend to any increase in quality. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 00:36, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
Yes SVG's are only useful when making pictures larger. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 01:32, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

Extreme oppose When inserted into the text it causes the lines to appear broken, it is not very useful, and it makes us feel like a children's pop up book.It is totally the wrong approach for an encyclopedic type fan site, even one about a video game. I have been fearing the day this would be proposed since Chicken told me it existed on some other site.--Degenret01 23:53, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Would you support the hiscores icons? they are as big as text like Stats Overall icon highscores.png so don't break the lines.
as you can see it doesn't add more whitespace below a line now.
not more than here.
JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 00:59, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
I am totally against any size pic of any type in the middle of the sentence. This is not Sesame Street.--Degenret01 08:37, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Support - But like several others have said, the icons add whitespace between lines. I think the hiscores icons should be used instead of the skill icons. They also represent the skills, and they don't break the line. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 00:59, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Super Oppose - The icons are rather hindering my ability to just read the article. This is overdoing it and very childish-looking. Farming cape (t).png Lil cloud 9 Talk 14:16, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Strong Support - i like the looks of clickpics so they be good to add to normal text. --Project Myface Parsonsda Talk | Sign Here | Project Myface Project Myface 18:31, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Sorry, but they make the text unreadable. bad_fetustalk 18:49, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Strong oppose - Per above - [Pharos] iPhone Edit 19:08, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Strong oppose - Looks terrible, disrupts the flow of text. --Aburnett(Talk) 21:05, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Strong oppose - Per above. Really interrupts the flow. Suppa chuppa Talk 21:25, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - Per what others have said above me. HaloTalk 03:18, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Although i support, i'd like to say that "Naysayers may say that it looks like a production of Sesame Street (I've never watched that), but I hardly think that this will lower class when the WoW ads, the large rails on the right side of the page and the numerous wikia Gaming wiki ads have already destroyed it." is not really a good reason... The fact something ruins the wiki doesn't mean we should ruin it more (although i think its not ruining) JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 09:11, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Nah. The images distract from what is otherwise a nice, informative block of text. Plus if this were made standard I would never remember or bother to follow it. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 07:40, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Strong oppose- We dont need this,this would really be childish Dragon chainbody.png Emowarriorking Talk HS Guthan's warspear.png

Oppose - Per other opposition. The only way I would support such a method is if it were performed through the utility called a tooltip, and even then it would have opposition. No matter the size of the image, we should refrain from adding copious amounts of images within any given text. Ryan PM 17:43, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Weak Oppose - Generally, digging through an article to find skill data is tedious. I find it ironic that even the release date is easier to find, despite that such information isn't that useful. Still, I don't think this is the right solution. We don't need to bog down page load times with additional images. Regardless, I reject the premise that the images look childish or are overly disruptive, hence my weak oppose. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 18:55, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - Proposal will not be implemented at this time. --Aburnett(Talk) 07:22, January 9, 2011 (UTC)