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This thread was archived on 24 August 2010 by Liquidhelium.

As there has been some discussion between Psycho Robot, Stelercus and me, so Psycho and I decided to open a YG thread.

What it's about

I added redirects to the Project Myface page(not in mainspage, used U:PMF for it) but Psycho removed them. Then there was the discussion. Check out Psycho's talk and My talk for that. The problem is wether or not it should be allowed to have redirects, with U: before it, to userpages. I think there should be redirects to often visited user(sub)pages, useful userpages and userpages without personal information, which are also (quite) useful, and quite some people visit. That's because the often visited userpages are easier to reach with shortcuts. Also i think there aren't a lot of people who want a redirect, as they have got the link on the top of the screen, so typing it would spend more time than clicking it. Even though they wouldn't need those shortcuts, i also think there might be shortcuts for U:Example(not abbreviated)/(abbrev. of Example's subpage) for if he/she wants to visit the subpage more quickly. Another thing, Who suffers from the fact there are redirects to userpage in the U: pace? Nobody does for redirects to project pages being in RS: space. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 21:29, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

I support redirects to userpages, in the U: space, and without abbreviation, exept for important/often visited user(sub)pages JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 21:29, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Strong oppose - Project Myface does not contain any information that is useful to people who are not part of the project. I have payed attention to the activity of Myface, so I am not saying this out of ignorance. Almost all of the edits to project myface entail people who are posting new images to their personal galleries. This does not merit a redirect because no one cares about it. The only other part of myface that would see traffic from more than one person (and this is still traffic that is limited to the members, non members still do not care about it) is the "image reporting" feature wherein members post an image that needs a new screenshot that other members then go about getting, however that information is well within the scope of RS:IM and one of the many categories that are a part of that project, and therefore could be posted on the talk page there. As such they already have a shortcut, however they choose not to use it, and that's their problem. Simply put, no one but project myspace members would benefit from a project myspace redirect, and the project myspace members choose not to post the only information which might be useful to other people on the page (which already has a shortcut) where other people would benefit from it, RS:IM talk page.

That said, the harm in having these redirects becomes establishing a precedent wherein editors are allowed to make personal use redirects. Where does the line get drawn? Project myspace is only regularly visited by a scant few people (its members). Just about any guestbook has more vistors than that. So by your logic, a guestbook is more deserving of a redirect than project myface. Then you must question just why its necessary. Sure its faster to type U:PMF than User:Parsonsda/Project Myface, however what's even faster than that is using a bookmark. That's just two clicks, no typing. Hell its just ONE click if you put it on your bookmarks toolbar. The reason projects are exempt from this rule is that project redirects are not just used for getting there faster, but for typing links to other users who should visit them. No one will ever be asked to visit Myface except to be recruited, and that just leaves one use for the redirects, and that is so its members can get to their galleries faster. There's no way that merits a redirect. So use a bookmark instead.

That leaves just one thing left, what if a userpage truly is useful to a large amount of users in the community? Then its simple - it should be moved to the project namespace. A good example of this quarenon's script page. There are a lot of scripts there that benefit a lot of people, so instead of creating a userspace redirect, it should probably be made into a project, RuneScape:Scripts for example. So you see, there's only one reason for a userpage to have a redirect, and if that condition is met, then its also a viable candidate for an official project, and should be moved to the RuneScape: namespace. However if that's not possible for some reason, I am willing to see a userspace redirect created to that page, but it must be done with extreme prejudice. Project Myface does not come anywhere close to meeting those requirements. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 22:01, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Why can't there be redirects to userpages, using U: instead of User: ? That won't harm anyone, and if it will be forbidden to make shortcuts with abbreviations, it won't cause any problems. This is, again, not for userpages themself, but for subpages of the userpage, which are too difficult to reach for my opinion. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 22:23, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
As helm said below, there is no such U: namespace. Any attempt to use a namespace that isn't present on Special:Search (plus Media: and Special:) is automatically put into mainspace. If you really want to be strict, you could say that userpage redirects are player articles, or otherwise a page not for mainspace (not saying I agree fully agree with that interpretation but still). Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 11:55, August 11, 2010 (UTC)


Oppose - Per Psycho. There is no reason to add redirects for individual users. If we start allowing them for one user, then any user can use a redirect to their userpage. It just wouldn't be practical. Suppa chuppa Talk 22:03, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

You can't be serious - Is it really that hard to type User? Do we really need to abbreviate it to U? :/ ajr 22:33, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, if there are a lot of visitors, it is yes(for them all). And btw(so another case, i'm not saying those subpages are visited a lot), again, it isn't for userpages, but subpages. Those can be abbreviated, making it a lot easier than typing the whole title.
If that's what you're after, why not ask parsonsda to create "User:Parsonsda/pmf" which would redirect to User:Parsonsda/Project Myface" while being only 3 letters longer than the link you were after. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 22:55, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Can't you just abbreviate the subpage, or have a redirect within the user namespace? Arg, the robot just said [email protected]@@ ajr 22:55, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
...OMG!Confused - I'd still prefer u: instead of user: but as apparently nobody agrees, ok then. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 23:09, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Strong oppose - The main problem with having it start with U is the fact that there is no such mainspace named 'U'. Thus, it is automatically shunted into the mainspace, which is generally reserved for articles and purposeful redirects (such as the RS:__ redirects to policies). This is a user's personal thing, and thus should be kept out of the mainspace. If you want redirects within the userspace, then start the redirect with User: and no one will complain as much. --LiquidTalk 00:08, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Per the Psycho-ally large text wall. 222 talk 07:38, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Psycho said it all. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 11:55, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - Redirects are for things that the majority of people will use. Not one person. Basically per above. HaloTalk 16:03, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - per Pyscho, though I don't agree with everything he says =) LordDarkPhantom 18:54, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - For the most part, anyway. There are some instances where userpages are important to the community as a whole such as Azaz's defining administrators project or Quarenon's script documentation pages. If they benefit the community, there is no reason not to have a redirect for them. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 21:35, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - This seems logistically impossible and could "open the floodgates". ʞooɔ 05:44, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Psycho and has any admin ever decided to go through Special:ListRedirects (Strangely stops at 1000 when we have many times this amount) and Special:PrefixIndex for these kind of links? On another note, I thought IP addresses were only supposed to have a talk page? Ryan PM 22:08, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Psycho and others have brought up the issues of "U:" Farming cape (t).png Lil cloud 9 Talk 03:17, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Just found something

I've just found something. There are actually users who have redirect account, while my 3 accounts(User:PMF, User:Project Myface and User:Myface) have been blocked for that. User:Ж has a redirect account, which Psycho allows. the redirect account is User:ZHE. Why is that one allowed, for a page with only an userbox saying he has a redirect account and a link to somewhere you don't ever want to go, and Ж doesn't do much on the wiki either, he mostly updates his slayer log, and barely does anything on the wiki. There is almost no reason to visit his userpage, while there is quite some reason to visit project myface. for example if you're interested in nice images. Btw, Ж hasn't edited for 10 months, so why would you wanna visit his page? and why again did he have a redirect? and why doesn't he just continue contributing on his redirect account? then there will be no problems. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 00:13, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

There are actually quite some users having redirect accounts. here's a list:
  • User:Poorleno
  • User:Flango2(no special letters in the main account, so should REALLY be deleted, if pmf etc are deleted too)
  • and most likely much more, but the list is a bit buggy, so i can't scroll past 1000. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 00:21, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
I suppose it's because some people (like me) don't know how to type that symbol.  Tien  00:16, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
{edit conflict with Tienjt) Obviously, no one with a normal keyboard can type "Ж" symbol, whatever that is. It's not a matter of interest or number of edits. 222 talk 00:17, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
I know most ppl can't type Ж, but why does he actually begin such an account? and he can just continue contributing on the account that's currently acting as redirect, so he is actually findable. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 00:21, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
Well, some people just decide to do things like this. Eccentric/different thats all. Ask Psycho (I can never spell that right). 222 talk 00:29, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
Maybe he's had that strange symbol account for awhile, and doesn't want to have to change it. He may be well known by that name on another Wikia wiki, and doesn't want to abandon that user who he's become known for. Chicken7 >talk 00:36, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
Neither Pσorleno nor Ж has done any edits on another wiki. There is no reason to stick by the account with the strange name, so they should swap names. And Flango2 is just a redirect account to another easily typable account. This should be removed, or the 3 redirect accs to PMF should be unblocked and re-redirected. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 00:43, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
Please stop using other peoples decisions as the ground for allowing three accounts to advertise Project Myface (that's what I think/looks like you are doing). The policy's there, abide by it. Any loose ends (i.e. other accounts with redirects) can be cleared up. 222 talk 00:51, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Do you want any old redirect to Project Myface, or must the redirect contain "U:"? People have already stated above that the namespace "U:" doesn't exist and would be considered a mainspace article. RS:REDIRECT states that you can't redirect from one namespace to another. Just use the "User:" namespace to redirect; the people in the above section don't seem to oppose that.  Tien  01:05, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

I know. They actually DO oppose that the already existing accounts User:PMF, User:Project Myface and User:Myface will be redirected to Project myface.(yes, i own the accounts, but they're perm blocked now) JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 01:54, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
User:Flango2 is Ugozima's old account. Its not uncommon or unreasonable to redirect an old account to a new account because if someone wanted to talk about an edit that Flango2 made, posting on his talk is a useless venture since that account is derelict. Ugozima is the account to go to for those questions. Again, that redirect is made for the purpose of maintenance, clarity, and ease for other users. Your redirects did nothing for other users. They only benefited you and other PMF members. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 01:59, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Simple Solution - If you want a redirect from U:PMF to User:Parsonsda/Project Myface, add this line to Special:Mypage/monaco.js (or Special:Mypage/monobook.js if you use monobook):

if(document.location.href=="http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/U:PMF")document.location.href="http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/User:Parsonsda/Project_Myface";

That should (note that I haven't tested the code myself) create a sort of personal redirect - as soon as you access U:PMF, the script will redirect you to User:Parsonsda/Project Myface. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 02:17, August 14, 2010 (UTC) 

Closed - User related redirects (those starting with U:) will not be allowed. Redirects from one userpage to another is allowed only if the user has switched accounts, or if the user's userpage is impossible to type on a conventional keyboard, such as User:Tacawy. Other than that, redirects will not be allowed. --LiquidTalk 01:03, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Note to anyone who wants to argue with me: I had to get rid of several of my own redirects because of this. --LiquidTalk 01:03, August 24, 2010 (UTC)