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This thread was archived on 7 December 2008 by Kytti khat.

Consensus has been reached upon updating just the two wiki logos. The favicon discussion will still be up for comment

Again I am going to put this to the Yew Grove. I am recommending that we update the logos and favourite icon. The version that most people seemed to agree upon before the discussion was archived what seemed a bit prematurely were as follows:

[[File:Example Favicon.png]] with the icon being stored in proper format at [[:Image:Faveicon.ico]].

Discussion section

  • Update - I still think that a blue party hat would have been good.
  • Update - As I'm posting this again I'm going to vote for updating these images. ~kytti khat 04:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
    Okay I'm going to have to agree with people below regarding the favicon. It wasn't intended as fan art but i can't argue with the definition (except that it was intended directly as fan art of the wiki and not directly for roonscape). ~kytti khat 20:36, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Update - except the "favicon.ico" image. It's too small for my eyes. I had to zoom it 400% before being able to figure out that it is a combination of fire + law runes. I think "Astral rune" is nice, or even "Chaos rune" is much better. I suggest that you stick to existing runes, rather than combining different runes. My two cents...
      az talk   08:32, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Update main page logo but keep fave icon - The Fave icon sucks. It looks worse than the current favicon. In fact, a fire rune fused w/a law rune is soooooooo ugly. Derilith 21:42, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Update the logos but keep the favicon, I agree with Amethyst... except for the ugly wording. Oddlyoko talk 23:42, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
  • I reckon get the herblore and the mage symbols and put the mage hat ontop of the herby symbol and call it 'mage potion'. I think that would make a great Favicon. I would make one but i'm on the laptop. I'll make one tomorrow and show you. R0KK1 =] ((20:40 20/8))
  • Update both Favicon and Logos. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 15:00, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Update The logos, but not the favicon. I don't really think the new one looks that good (no offense) and I really don't think that we should replace the favicon with fanart (especially since we delete fanart here(mixed signals anyone)) this may confuse new users. 15:13, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Update both. Am I like the only one who liked the proposed favicon? O_O 15:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Update - I recommend that both are updated. But might I suggest the new Omni-talisman as the Favicon? Ok, so it reminds me of an insect thingy...but it is RS icon and not fan art.--Kashibak 19:23, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - Oddlyoko, Amethyst is Derilith. =Þ Derilith 21:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Don't care about the logo, but I would prefer it if we keep the current favicon. The Fire rune in all of my tabs on this site seems iconic somewhat. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!I have 12 friends. 07:02, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Update the logo. I would like to have the one favicon below this message that is the RuneScape "R". Also, will the new logo be transparent? Rollback crown.svg Spencer (Talk | Edits | Contribs) 22:53, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Idea how about this one? [[File:RSW logo idea.jpg|50px]] Btzkillerv 15:03, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
  • No. Btz, your logo is too large (minimum 16 x 16 pixels), and the logo is completely 'violating copyright laws, which close down RSW, and eventually close down Wikia themselves. Derilith (talkcontribs) forgot to sign this comment 11:38, 26 August 2008 (UTC).
  • Update logos. But even though I like the favicon, I agree with Azliq far above me. I canrt notice what it is. Maybe better if we stick to one rune alone (I dont mind which one). Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 13:17, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Idea How about for the favorites icon, we create sort of a 'smily face rune'? it would be a basic blank pure essense image, with a smily face inside it :D. Gondor2222, 30 august 2008
  • No That is just too silly! Explorer's ring 3.pngBtzkillerv has entered the building! Cape (blue).png 17:22, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Why not just use a party hat?sirfishalot 15:27, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
    • A party hat seems good, but not everyone would recognize it (unlike two letters, RW). White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 02:14, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

  • Consensus - for just the wiki logos because of all support and no oppose. But favicon consensus still needs to be reached. Chicken7 >talk 23:58, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Compressed versions

[[File:Suggested new Wiki logo.gif]]

  • The original suggested logo was 18.5kb. This is 8kb. The only noticable difference is the shortened padding and less visible shadow. The 10kb difference could mean something when hundreds of people are visiting this site each day. May be coloured blue in the near 13:41, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
  • There is a reason that the original versions were not compressed to maximum and that was to allow for the 8-bit alpha layer, which, as you already noticed, provided a better shadowing effect. The logos compress smaller in indexed PNG format than what is afforded from GIF format. (see Image:Suggested_new_Wiki_logo-low_shadow_quality.png|here and Image:Suggested_new_Wiki_logo-wide-low_shadow_quality.png|here) ~kytti khat 14:21, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
    • Ah ok. May be coloured blue in the near 23:59, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

New favicon

I created an alternative icon.   az talk   08:35, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

  • Just an R. Simple and effective. [[File:Example favicon R.png]]
  • Zoomed to 40 pixels. [[File:Example favicon R.png|40px]]

Who keeps Deletin' the pic in my signature!?!?!?Herblore Rokki TalkMagic-icon.png 09:24, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I like the 'R' the best. Quest map icon.png Laser Dragon Task map icon.png 09:58, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey everyone, just a quick note that the favicons need to be 16 by 16 pixels in size, like this one: [[File:RW logo.png]] which is one I created from the current logo. ~kytti khat 22:37, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

The RuneScape "R" is 16-by-16 pixels in size.   az talk   02:58, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I like RW the best. Here's my order (from most fave to least fave).

  1. [[File:RW logo.png]]RW logo - Votes: 5
  2. [[File:Example favicon R.png]]RuneScape "R"1 - Votes: 3
  3. [[File:Favicon.png]]Fire rune - Votes: 0
  4. [[File:Example Favicon.png]]Fire-Law Rune - Votes: 0
  5. [[File:Law rune favicon.png]]Law rune - Votes: 1
  6. D&D map icon.pngDistractions and Diversions - Votes: 1

1Needs to be recreated

I don't see the point of recreating this icon. See "Fair use" section below.   az talk   02:45, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Derilith 00:07, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't like how the logos and such are mage-oriented. Maybe a non-combat rune, like a law, would be best. Liferune.pngbufar(talk)Death rune.png 00:43, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I would vote for the RW favicon since it is directly from the logo and as such would clearly stand out. To me the current fire rune is simply too dark in contrast to related icons as seen here:
[[File:Searchable favicons.png|RuneScape Wiki seems dark in contrast]]
At the least I'd suggest lightening it namely it's background. ~kytti khat 09:29, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Comment -- I'm really not trying to be an a** or anything, but the "R" is copyrighted by Jagex. While that in its own doesn't really matter, using a section of the RuneScape logo as our own favicon definitely does not constitute Fair Use. It implies affiliation with Jagex, and that's not good at all. We could write a disclaimer or something saying that we aren't jagex, but it'd kind of kill the whole point of a favicon. The favicon imho should represent us as a Wiki (again IMHO). May be coloured blue in the near 05:56, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

See "Fair use" section below.   az talk   02:45, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
What if we changed the shape of the R a bit? I don;t know any legal stuff but I think if our R doesn't look like their special R, it's ok.--Degenret01 13:56, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Yup, that's perfect. =) May be coloured blue in the near 04:04, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I think a law rune would work well. Kind of symbolic of RSW in a way. May be coloured blue in the near 05:56, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

The RW works for me.--Degenret01 06:09, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Comment - I think that the "RW" is goodlooking, but still, its deprived from the RuneScape "R" which is still "(c) Jagex under 'Jagex Limited' from 1999-2008". So , like Earthere, I don't really think that the RW will work, but I still support "RW".  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Derilith (talk) on 07:35, 26 August 2008 (UTC).
  • For those favouring a law rune here's a cleanly rendered version [[File:Law rune favicon.png]] and it's [[:Image:Law_rune_favicon.ico|.ico version]]. (Has anyone else noticed that the detailed law rune image that we have appears to be an older and darker version than what is shown in the official RS GE DB?) ~kytti khat 22:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
  • I prefer the RW logo. It is the best imo - Quest point hood.png Bigm2793Talk Quest point cape.png01:56, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Another favicon: DnD icon added.   az talk   02:07, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
I don't really like the DnD one. Per Earthere, the icon should represent us as a wiki. I vote for the RW logo. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 20:39, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the RW logo. It's nice and clear. Buzz (Talk#P ) 07:19, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Fair use

Taken from Fair use article in Wikipedia.

In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include:

  1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
  2. the nature of the copyrighted work;
  3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
  4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

Additional points:

  • All icons (regardless whether it is taken from the website, or the game itself) are technically copyright of Jagex. The use of "Fire rune" icon is the same as using the "R" or "RW" icons.
  • "The third factor assesses the quantity or percentage of the original copyrighted work that has been imported into the new work. In general, the less that is used in relation to the whole, ... the more likely that the sample will be considered fair use." This may sound counter-intuitive, but the less it looks like the original, the more likely it is considered to be fair use.
  • "Although normally making a 'full' replication of a copyrighted work may appear to violate copyright, ... it was found to be reasonable and necessary in light of the intended use." Since the intended use of the favicon is to promote RSWiki, and that RSWiki is a non-commercial site, I do not think that the use of images/icons violate any copyright laws and thus falls under "Fair use".
  • By using these icons, it doesn't imply that we're affliated with Jagex, and we have clearly stated THAT in the copyright notice at the footer of the Main Page: "RuneScape is copyright 1999 to 2008 Jagex Ltd. The RuneScape Wiki is in no way affiliated with Jagex."
  • A simple way to state that the Favicon is copyright image is to put {{Logo}} within the summary page of File:Favicon.ico.   az talk   3:53, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
The Favicon can EASILY imply we are affiliated with Jagex. It looks like something Jagex would use (first letter of their most popular game), as it would "go really well" with the RuneScape official site, and most anons aren't going to notice the fair use info either.
I appreciate the effort, but the fair use rationale still isn't sufficient. May be coloured blue in the near 04:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Az, is the [[:Image:RW logo.png|RW icon]] copyrighted by Jagex even if we don't take the letters from the image on If so, then I'll add Template:Logo to Image:Favicon.ico. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 01:37, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
I seriously doubt that the letter "R" in the [[:Image:RW logo.png|RW icon]] and Image:Favicon.ico could be considered copyrighted. The font that is used in it might have something akin to that but it is not Jagex's font. If letters were copyrighted, then we could not legally communicate with each other. Disney does not own the letter "D" but they do have title to their swooshy version of the letter. Same with McDonald's, they do not have rights to the letter "M", but they do to their golden arches version of it. As for licensing on our current favicon it would have to be the same as that for the logo from which it is derived, and as for that so far as i know only the part of the images derived from the rune images would warrant any fair use licensing and those roons are not part of the favicon or RW logo images. ~kytti khat 04:58, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
No. I'm pretty sure the letters RW is not copyrighted by Jagex.   az talk   12:20, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I didn't think so. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 18:54, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Wrapping up

I'm not sure if we can all agree that concensus has been achieved here, however the lean seems to be towards the RW favicon, if someone with admin status or higher would be so kind, perhaps a finalization of this discussion can be had? ~kytti khat 00:42, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Eugh, the new favicon looks horrible! Why are there four black pixels in the corner, and why is it brown? The typeface chosen is bad too. I liked the old one, but if the community chooses to change it, then select a different letter colour and typeface please. (Such as a blue R and green W. The R&W superimposition isn't witty, nor looks good; it makes it look like P W. I prefer the old rune favicon, since it's RUNEscape. --anon

It may be too late to have a say, but I think that the rw design has potential, but the problem with the favicon is that the anti-aliasing (the blurring effect of the edges) isn't sharp. This is most likely because it was resized instead of resampled in the graphics manipulation program that it was created in. I also don't find the 'Brown n' black' colour scheme to be too appealing. I think it could use a transparency too. May I suggest this perhaps? : [[File:Fav icon2.png]] It has transparency, and the colours may be more appealing. Alternatively, this too: [[File:Fav icon.png]] It has transparency and a shadow. Thanks for reading, --Nequillim 16:40, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Transparency on a favicon is not always best, most sites do not use transparency unless they are using 8-bit transparency which in itself is limited in backwards compatibility. See these two examples as for why the RW logo was not originally made transparent.

<gallery heights=285px widths=220px> Image:Searchable favicons2.png|style like Wikipedia Image:Searchable favicons3.png|transparency lost on dark backgrounds </gallery>

~kytti khat 15:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I like the favicon, except that it is kind of blurry. [[File:Wiki favicon list.PNG|How the new favicon shows up on the favorites list.]] White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 12:48, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Could we fix it by making the icon bigger? White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 16:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Favicons are limited to 16x16 pixels unfortunately. The only true fix is to find and identify the font and create the favicon from scratch. I browsed many many fonts and have yet to spot it. Yes many are similar but if we're going to recreate that font we might as well get a clean rendition on the main logo as well, even the wide logo is derived from the main logo (at least the creator of the wide logo came forward). ~kytti khat 20:57, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

The alternate "fix" is to return to the solid white background. As you will notice here: <gallery> Image:Rs_wiki_favicon_example.png Image:Rs_wiki_favicon_example2.png Image:Rs_wiki_favicon_example3.png </gallery> Many browser "themes" will not be kind to a transparent favicon regardless of clarity of lettering. As such I'd recommend doing as Wikipedia (and many other sites) do which is a solid white background. See above for examples. (note: even Amazon has since changed to a white background) ~kytti khat 21:04, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

If it will fix it, then sure, put on a white background. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 12:31, 30 November 2008 (UTC)