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This thread was archived on 16 April 2008 by Endasil.


I'm pretty sure none of us like to be cussed at. I just remembered a run-in with another admin, where the other admin called me several bad things, but because it wasn't on the wiki, it wasn't punishable. Now, if this was done in a message to me on my talk page, the person would have lost their admin powers and would have been blocked for a month or two at the least.

So, what I'm proposing is that the user treatment policy is extended to the game itself between wikians, but loosened. On the wiki, if, let's say, me and a random user got in an argument and started yelling at each other "NOOB!" and such, we'd be in trouble. But in-game, that happens all the time, and like half of the community would be banned for personal attacks if that was not permitted. More unacceptable things, like calling others "whore"s, "douche"s, "retard"s, "gay", would be unallowed if this were to be passed.

What I just said in a nutshell:
  • "Noob!"
    • On the wiki: Not really allowed.
    • In-game: Allowed.
  • "Whore!", "Douche!", "Retard!", "Gay!"
    • On the wiki: Not allowed.
    • In-game: Not allowed.

Users can get away with verbally attacking another wikian in-game and not be punished (if they get a blackmark(s), they can always appeal and say "good bye" to it), but still do the same damage. Discuss, comment, recommend and all. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!I have 12 friends. 17:59, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Can't enforce this. "He said this, she said that" but no proof. Don't even say screenshots, as I showed those before and got crap for them. What a person does in-game isn't wiki-related. Anyone in RS can be ignored, and that's the only thing to do. I have even mentioned this before to sannse, and she said that all we can do is ignore. Unless it extends to the wiki, we can't do anything to punish users. Christine 18:56, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
What about if it happens at an official wiki event? Butterman62 (talk) Ice Barrage icon.png 19:41, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, wikia does not sponsor or plan the event, so it really isn't wiki-related in my opinion. To be clear, I'm not saying I don't like the idea, but I am saying that we really have no right to dictate how people act in-game. Christine 19:46, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Aren't all of those words blocked by the RuneScape censor anyway? Sysop crown.svgTes FanSysop crown.svg 19:51, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Normally, yes, but it's quite easy to bypass the censor. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!I have 12 friends. 20:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Administrative action should be limited to the admin's sphere of authority. Making wiki admins responsible for users' actions elsewhere, which they have no power to independently confirm, is not a viable situation. If ignoring is not sufficient for you, and blackmarks are being revoked on appeal, your best options are to complain to a higher in-game body, to leave the game, or both.
If in-game sanctions such as exclusion from wiki-related events are being considered, I think it would be reasonable to require the complaining user to first prove that they are not a whore, douche, retard or gay, given the seemingly large population of these groups within online gaming communities. Documented consultation with their mothers might form acceptable evidence. ;-) --GreenReaper(talk) 20:34, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

not too long ago I was harrassed by two RSW vandals via private chat. I've also been flamed for my edits on a couple occasions, and a bunch of other wiki-related stuff happened. no offense or anything, but I shouldn't have to put up with this bull****. May be coloured blue in the near

just to clarify that was just a comment, not a support or oppose May be coloured blue in the near

As was established by RS:NOT, what happens in the game stays in the game. True, it's possible that they can appeal and have the marks lifted, but there's nothing more that can really be done. I fail to see what effect this will have, even if implemented, on conversations in private chat, as there is no way to prove who said what unless there are external trusted witnesses. (Evidence can easily be faked.) The occasional incident that might take place on public chat is an exception, but seeing how more people probably saw it, and more abuse reports are probably sent, this negates the concern over no punishment being given for the most part. Skill 22:39, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

We're not going to go there. What happens in-game isn't simply out of admins' realm of authority, it's none of our damn business. It would be like an American cop coming up to Canada and arresting me for downloading music. It's not his jurisdiction, I'm not under his country's rules and, as I've said, it's none of his damn business. Endasil (Talk) @ 23:29, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Exactly I agree with everything. But I never see anyone in game anyway. This doesn't really apply to me but I wanted to show my support. Cheers, [[Image:Kandarincrest.gif|25px]]Chicken7 >talk>sign 00:29, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Chicken how do you agree with everything? You can't be for AND against the proposal. --Degenret01 09:20, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't quite agree. If I went in game and Tesfan called me a noob, then I called him a noob back, and he called me gay and I got screen shots of it all happening, then Tesfan would be blocked? First of all, screenshots aren't exactly accurate. Unless you work for the government and test videos in court to make sure they are real, then I'm pretty sure you couldn't tell the difference between a screenie and a fake. Second, why is it the wiki's buisiness what happens between me and Tesfan in game? I got into an incident in school where I called my friend a name outside of school and the next day we both got detention. Now why did I get in detention? Because the school is nosy and sticks their noses into other peoples' buisness. If this rule was passed, the wiki would be like my school. I really don't think the wiki should be punishing people for what they say ingame, even if it is something like "whore" or "mother fucker". The wiki should only punish people for what they say either on the Wiki forums or on the wiki. If it's on IRC the user should be kicked. Btw sorry if I brought up an old topic, I haven't read the entire thing =).Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 19:37, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I never said taking a screenshot. If anyone was around in the Wiki's faking days and remembers how often I made fakes, I could easily frame somebody and make it look real. I meant something like mass witnesses (e.g.: a WikiFest), or being caught on film (e.g.: someone recording an event, like a WikiFest). The WikiFest (see where I'm going?) is like a school field trip. You're not at school, but you're at something hosted by the school. And Ilyas, assuming that you're example of school detention really happened and wasn't just an example, were you on your school's campus, near it, far away, or wherever?
Anyway, if you, the reader, haven't got what I'm trying to say, this would only apply at wiki-hosted events, like the WikiFest. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!I have 12 friends. 20:19, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
But the Wiki isn't like a school. It's not a club, and it's not an organization. It's a database with editors. The role of sysop isn't to play babysitter or to be the leaders of some club. We're simply here to protect the Wiki. So as long as a user isn't harming the wiki, what business is it of ours? None. If a user is bothering you in game, block's a pretty simple strategy that works for all non-wiki users...why should it be any different here? Endasil (Talk) @ 00:36, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Replying to Degenret, I'm supporting this. OPPOSE I mean, oppose. Cheers, [[Image:Kandarincrest.gif|25px]]Chicken7 >talk>sign 22:54, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Chia, I was 1 mile from the school at my house. Endasil, the Wiki would be the same as the school in this situation, they wouldn't be able to punish people for things they do outside of school (or Wiki) but yet they are.Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 13:39, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't support this. It's impossible to enforce this and easy to fake. To be honest, I would actually prefer if users settled their personal arguments and clashes in private chat as opposed to on the wiki where it can disrupt the community. Ingame, you can easily solve it yourself by adding the user to your ignore list, kicking them from clan chat (if applicable), reporting them (if applicable), or doing all three. What a user does ingame is none of our business. There's no place for the state in the bedrooms of the Wikians. Dtm142 21:04, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking earlier. We are not really attached to RuneScape at all. Our rules are not set by Jagex; they are set by Wikia staff. So, yeah, we shouldn't enforce rules anywhere outside the wiki. Butterman62 (talk) Ice Barrage icon.png 11:20, 8 April 2008 (UTC)