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This thread was archived on 25 November 2011 by Thebrains222.

No offence to the people who are doing this, but it's driving me nuts!! "Unused in mainspace" as a reason for the deletion of an image. Of course, when it's obvious (duplicate, jpeg, obviously unnecessary) it should be deleted, but I often see high quality images I have previously seen in an article being deleted. What if a vandal removed it? Or it was accidentally removed? Please, don't just blindly delete stuff because it's not used in the mainspace. Use common sense: if you see it's a good image, then re-add it to mainspace! O_o And if you solely want to delete it because YOU don't like it and use the fact that it is currently not in the mainspace as a reason for that, I'd say: start an RfD. After, that's what it's for. There, that's out... User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 12:07, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

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I agree - Unused is the weakest reason for deletion to me. At the very least, if its an okay image, it should be put on RS:ORPHAN, though preferably used on a relevant article. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 12:41, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I do agree with the main crux of this - anything being deleted should be reviewed beforehand. We have, for all intents and purposes, lost decent and even useful images in the past because of this. I will, however, say that's it's entirely possible it was reviewed and a better description simply not given upon deletion.

Now to the specific images that lead you to make this thread, [[:File:BoDcutscene2.png|this]] and [[:File:BoDcutscene1.png|this]]. First off, I don't think you should be reuploading deleted images. Get them undeleted, it preserves the history and likely leads to some understanding as to their deletion - a Request for undeletion isn't really needed for images deleted as unused.

This issue is mostly relevant to quest articles. I noticed these images were removed in a quest article clean up, and I completely agree with their removal - in fact I did remove at least one of the images in this section, and nominate it for deletion, when they were originally uploaded. And the idea that it has been there a long time means that it shouldnt be removed is false logic. There are a number of similar images used in that section of the article that I feel are unnecessary and excessive. In fact there are two images that differ only in the dialogue and one character action - the rest of the image is identicle. This small undeletion discussion is probably relevant here. It simply isn't practical nor helpful to have every other piece of dialogue or action from a cutscene. It takes up too much space and distracts from the actual point of the article - the text guide and images useful to the guide.

Don't get me wrong, images should sometimes be more than simply useful and suppliment the guide, as the image section of the quest style guide, and as it stated before you changed that section without any community input. However, as the old version stated "However, excessive images that only serve the interest of visual appeal will detract from the usability of the guide." A large gallery for every cutscene does this, whilst one or two supplimentary images for cutscenes would be fine - great in fact. Any more than that actually makes them less appealing individually. Ritual of the Mahjarrat is probably a good example of too many images - the galleries have had to be hidden to deal with them.

Please try not to oppose every removal of an image from an article. Sometimes images get removed because there simply isn't room for them. Sometimes these are good images. The quality of the article as a whole must take priority over individual images. --Henneyj 13:56, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Well, articles such as Fairy Tale III, that have a hurricane of images, seem to be well organised. Maybe you are right the galleries shouldn't be stuffed inside the guide. Of this In Search of the Myreque is a good example, where there is a gallery under the guide. I still think that every notable moment in a quest should be captured though, even if it's unrelated to the guide (hence the use of post-guide galleries), for it is still of a higher quality than watching a video and is nice for memories and stuffsies. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 14:02, November 11, 2011 (UTC)
The first image Henney linked has actually been deleted twice. Fswe, if you want your images undeleted, start a RfU (in light of the last line of your proposal). Two people, possibly three have deemed the image useless. We can't capture every single notable event in a quest, and the sheer number of quest images we've been getting since you and Battleben have been doing these have been astronomical. We can't have images on both sides of the page with text in between. It looks terrible. People are theoretically doing the quest as they read the guide, they don't need an image of what they're already looking at in their game. -.- sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 15:58, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, is this directed at me? (: - Every image I deleted for being "unused", I check through google cache before I delete it. Normally they are removed during cleanups or from random people who deem them useless. If I agree, I delete it. If not, I readd it and ask the person why they randomly removed a good image. Not all unused images are necessary, I'm pretty sure all the image deleters are aware of this, though I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who cleans up Unused Files daily. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 15:49, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

No, not necessarily you. And I understand and I am not just "angry because my images are being deleted all the time". Next time I'll RfU mentioned images, but it's just an issue that bothers not only me, but presumable many others, going by the deletion log. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 17:15, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I'm gonna assume this is partially directed at me, since I have a tendency to remove a lot of images in my cleanups, and slap {{D}} tags on them all. You don't seem to understand the reason most of these images are deleted. When I cleanup an article (let's say a quest guide), I go through it in depth, reading it all, rephrasing the obscure, fixing the incorrect, improving the formatting, etc. For example, let's take a look at my edit of Mourning's End Part II. I removed a LOT of images. I kept some in, even though they didn't further the article or help the user at all, simply to make the article more interesting (shiny!). Most of those images simply showed the same generic thing: a mirror with a beam of light going off in a random direction, not even showing where in the temple they are. Nothing but a character and a beam of light. Ten times. They were useless and worse; they made the article hard to read (note that the cleanup template prior to my edit read "images are insane").

Of course, I tagged every one of those images with a {{D}} tag, stating that they were removed in part of the cleanup of the article. Thus, they aren't used in the mainspace, and that's the reason for there deletion. I'd imagine cases like this would make up the majority of deletions with "Unused in mainspace" as their reason, and trust our admins take a look at the image first. We don't need useless images such as the three I removed here. They were all text images, one being a simple white text on black background and that was it. Those can be replaced with... well, text.

Related, we don't need NPC chatbox images in most cases. They don't do anything except show the NPC's chathead, which will be (or should be) on their own page, and if they're the quest starter, it should be on the quest page as well. The text in the chatbox, if it is actually important enough to mention in the article, can be described or quoted, depending on the circumstance (if it was a quest guide, we aren't going to tell the reader the exact line every NPC says. If the magical frog of DOOM says "Oh, <insert name here>, how much I does adore you! My heart cries for you to put one right on these lips, for I am a princess who longs for a meal besides flies!", we don't need a chatbox image for that. We don't need to rephrase it either. If it's significantly important to the article, we could just say The magical frog of DOOM proclaims his love for you, claiming to be a human princess who needs your kiss to return to human form.

TL;DR version: Deleted for a good reason. They won't be missed. Hofmic Talk 22:16, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

I understand you may find them unnecessary (once again, this is not directed at anyone), but "unnecessary" and henceforth "unused in mainspace" are really useless reasons. I just want to ask the people with this proposal to write something more understandable, such as "unnecessary, as we don't need an image of two chickens dancing". User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 06:35, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

what's the proposal? --Iiii I I I 01:43, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Support abolishment of reason - I haven't read the huge text walls above, but the way I see it, the "reason" is useless and unhelpful. When I say "Reason", I mean adding "Unused in mainspace" to the speedy deletion template or the comment parameter when admins delete images. Usually all times when an image is deleted with this reason, another reason can be attributed to it. Maybe the image is not used in the mainspace because it's a personal image. Maybe it's a duplicate. Maybe it's unnecessary. We should use those reasons instead of "Unused in mainspace". PS- Iiii I I I, I think that's the proposal. Smile Chicken7 >talk 01:59, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

oh, I thought Fswe wanted an RfD for each image. :O --Iiii I I I 03:01, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
Heck no, that'd be suicide. I agree with Dreadfowl chathead.png. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 06:35, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose abolishing reason - When I delete things as "unused in mainspace" (well, back when I used to delete things, at any rate), many of them are quite frankly unnecessary, and as such are not used in any mainspace article. If this is removed, then should I need to delete something that isn't used in mainspace, I'd likely pick "Unnecessary" as the deletion reason, which isn't really conducive to your goals... However, it is important to maintain a distinction between something that is unnecessary and used in mainspace and something that is simply not used in mainspace. --LiquidTalk 19:05, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose removing reason - If you don't like that people don't further say why an image was deleted, ask them, or ask them to be more specific next time. It's a legit reason, though a weak one compared to the rest. It's better to say "unused" than "OMG THIS IMAGE IS SO STUPID IT WAS REMOVED" or "wow who uploaded this piece of crap and left it to sit here". sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 21:37, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - No consensus to remove "Unused" as a deletion reason. 222 talk 11:19, November 25, 2011 (UTC)