Forum:Unhilite VSTF and staff
Please before you freak out, read my reasons. If you disagree, great, fine.
On the threads regarding hilites the supporters of them commonly and repeatedly refer to how useful the hilites are to identify other active people with tools to ask for an assist with something. If this is indeed the case, then we need to be aware of a couple things. VSTF is quite small in number, and active through many wikis, not just here. Asking one of them for help could slow down the help needed as they may not get back to us quickly. They have lots to take care of, on wikis with very few admins, while here we have lots. In this case it is better for the eye to be drawn to the name of a RuneScape wiki admin who can respond faster. The same applies to staff hilites. If we need fast attention, we need it from a RS wiki person, who knows what is going on here all the time. The eye looking for a name of someone to help should not be drawn to some one who cannot address that quickly.
Of course, this is only the case if indeed the arguments for keeping hilites are valid anyhow.
Exceptions can and probably should be made for people actually active on the RS Wiki itself --Degenret01 10:14, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
Support ---Degenret01 10:14, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
Oppose - If i was remove hilites of anyone these would be last apart from bots. People don't know who they are as much as they do active people on the wiki. Having these people hilited helps when we need help from staff this makes them a bit easier to find. There are lots of things we need staff to do because either we can't do it or don't know exactly how. Also with VSTF it helps when there are vandals and no local admins around, or when the spam filter goes off and it says to contact one if there is a problem (like with me today).10:21, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
- Changed to Support VSTF only - The only real ways people need to contact them are either on the #wikia-vstf irc channel or [[w:VSTF|VSTF wiki]]. 23:27, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
Support - I agree, I don't see much use for VSTF or staff to have hilites. The VSTF have an irc channel, in which most of them are present in almost all the time, and staff have Special:Contact for when we need to contact them. It's not necessary to have hilites so we know when they are editing. Ruud10K 10:27, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
Oppose - I don't see how making exceptions for staff or vstf members provides any benefits.10:31, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
- That is the point. The RS Wiki does not benefit from these people having hiltes.--Degenret01 11:12, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
- Right, but its a matter of consistency. Furthermore staff occasionally get involved in issues here, and if a new user sees it it could benefit them to have the hilite to show that they're staff, though I do realise that staff usually have the staff tag. In addition when you say that exceptions can and should be made for people who are active here, well it defeats the purpose of your proposal. While your proposal without said exception would be an inconsistancy in which usergroups are hilited, with the exception it becomes an inconsistancy within a single usergroup as to who is and is not hilited. Another issue is when certain members of these usergroups become active or inactive. They would have to be added or removed from the list, but how long do have to wait? what counts as active/inactie? 06:13, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
- Errrr, that isn't why we give people hilites... - [Pharos] 11:42, November 11, 2010 (UTC)~
Support Removal of VSTF hilites - The VSTF hilites should be removed since they are not supposed to use their global sysops power on active wikis, and since we are active they shouldn't be. However we should keep Staff hilites because to someone reading over a pages edit history they might wonder why that person did what they did if it was Wikia business, and so they will not try to undo it without making sure it is a good move. 14:29, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
Support removal of VSTF hilites - The point of a VSTF member is to be able to clean up vandalism in a such a way that people don't even know they were there. The hilite kinda ruins it by drawing unneeded attention to them. Since VSTF can't actually do anything for our users anyways, I think that it would be best to remove their hilites. Helpers and staff are different stories. ajr 14:38, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
Support removal of VSTF hilites - per Ajr. However, it's important to be able to identify staff and helpers as quickly as possible. With the exception of users like Sannse and Uberfuzzy that everyone knows because they help out here a lot, most of us don't know who all of the staff members are off the top of our heads, and it's a pain in the rear to check each time. This isn't so we can ask them for help; it's because sometimes it's important to know that the person that took a certain action is a staff member/helper. For example, if a staff member came along and blocked someone and their name wasn't highlighted, we would all be left wondering who this person was and why they were able to block someone. If someone accidentally mistook them for just another sysop and decided that the block wasn't justified, they might try to unblock the person, and now we have a big problem. Andrew talk 22:01, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
Support along with Removal of Helpers' Hilites - They have admin access for work or volunteering purposes. They're not actually community members. With the Helpers' hilites removal, the exceptions are:
- User:MarkvA - Actively contributes here.
Support - Doesn't really do much for us to hilite helpers.23:30, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
Support - But only because I hate the new colour, and my custom CSS can't override it now that we use !important in the hilites file. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.
Oppose - Seriously, because VSTF members show up so rarely (almost never) that this is more or less a moot issue. I don't see the need to tinker with the hilite system at the present time. However, if this passes, I hope that the last sentence in Degen's proposal will be implemented. --LiquidTalk 00:02, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
Oppose - Yes, they aren't really active here, but that doesn't matter, they are active wikiwide. Thus, they'll know and check it out when they recieve a message. Also, that's not really different from removing inactive sysop/crat hilites. Do you think they should be removed too? bad_fetustalk 14:31, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
Oppose - per Chess; we don't remove hilites from inactive sysops/crats, so why should they be removed? Also, the only way that a person will be able to find their page is if they are on the RC, and if they want to contact them, it's highly likely that they're still online. LordDarkPhantom 17:52, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
- Just so you know... we chose the hilite them. If you look on other wikis the Wikia Staff is not hilited, so they will not care. 22:11, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
Support removal of VSTF hilites - As we only added them to identify who was deleting certain things when they were first brought on by Wikia as far as I can remember. While we are one of the few wikis that do use hilites, I still don't think we should hilite staff either as they prefer to be contacted through Special:Contact for a record of all requests (albeit I add stuff from time to time to their talk pages when I want more than me to see it). We are well-off as it is with a large amount of sysops and a helper from time to time and don't need to bother the VSTF with the large amount of administrators. Ryan PM 15:50, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
Support removal of VSTF - They don't really need them but i would prefer that they did, just like how i like when admins keep their green names.... But it can be confusing for newer editors and that far outweighs a small convenience for me ^_^ - [Pharos] 07:27, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
VSTF Only - Per above. In my mind, hiliting staff shows that the hilites exist to inform the user and are not cosmetic, since their Wikia Staff status is not controlled by the community.21:39, November 17, 2010 (UTC)